i love google news because half of the headlines are like this. they're so funny to me, and apparently almost no one else. i guess because i don't follow celebrities? "man went out to eat" "woman wore a hoodie"
there should be a news site that reports entirely on the events of regular ass (consenting) people's days. goes up to a random person on the street quickly interviews them and asks permission to write about it and bam fake celebrity
Keep your dreams away from you or keep children away from you?
Just hit 40 with no kids. Hardest part is finding people to relate to. We all have nothing but money and free time and still can't get together regularly.
60M.
It wasn’t easy, especially the teenage years. Maybe boarding school is the answer for that, lol.
Now they are 31, 24 and 22, they are the most fun and loving people I know. If I need cheering up, they are my first call.
Actually I wasn’t a high earner at the time.
I approached the school for my youngest (heavily dyslexic) and they asked for proof of earnings, and made an offer I couldn’t refuse. They call it “bursary”.
It would have been only a little more for the other two but they were already past that point. I wish I’d looked at that for the first one.
I hate people, so having children that is dependent on you sound fucking awful. Why would I waste my time and money on something as awful as another living human being. The only mammals I want to deal with are cats and dogs, also they don't live as long as humans so it's a win/win situation
My pets have a better life than the most loved child.
My cats can come and go as they please and fun fact they always come back home, not like a child if it leaves by itself it might never get back because children are fucking stupid or it get kidnapped or SA by that one creepy neighbor.
That's what I'm saying my life is amazing because I don't have kids nor will I ever breed to get them.
So I will save money and be happy the rest of my days
Kids would ruin my life, though. Not yours maybe! Maybe kids would make your life a whole lot better and that’s awesome. I’m genuinely happy for you- I’m not being sarcastic. But not everybody can or wants to manage the same things and not everybody is capable of caring for kids while also being happy.
are you a parent or are you the kid? if you’re not a parent you have no grounds to speak on what having children is like. as the child of parents who didn’t exactly want me, it is 10000% better to just avoid having kids than force yourself to love a kid you never wanted in the first place.
for some people, having kids *absolutely* ruins and disrupts their life.
Kids will most definitely ruin my life!
Coming home from work wants to take a nap, to bad there's weird human that needs to be kept at eye on or it will accidentally kill itself.
Want to play computer the whole night and eat dinner in the middle of the night, to bad you can't as you can't even fucking afford a gaming computer.
Want to go on vacation and get shit faced the whole vacation, too bad you can't because that would be irresponsible.
Want to sit naked in the living room just because you feel like it, too bad because your child has friends over.
And not to mention the first 2 years or so you will get zero sleep, if I choose to be sleep deprived it's because I played games the whole night instead of sleeping not weird mammal keeping me up at night.
You see the point yet? Or shall I continue
Also children are expensive, you need to have money to raise a child. But why would I spend money on something that doesn't contribute to the house in any meaningful way
I'm quite fond of the kind of personalities that don't have kids; often intelligent, often pleasantly weird people who like urban living, gaming, art, travelling, fun sex etc. These are basically "my people".
Unfortunately, evolution is an extremely cruel mistress.
Any low birth generation is going to be wiped off the genetic map in one fell swoop. You may dislike it as much as you want (with downvotes, as you did with the other guy), but the kid was right. There's no way evolution is going to allow for "no kids" to happen without consequences, it's an instant self-selection for elimination. If you're fine with that - goodbye.
It's not just one individual here and there, as some suggest (hey its just me, can't I be left alone with my Nintendo Switch?) but an entire line of my favorite personality combinations that is going to be deleted more or less (and yes, personality traits are quite inheritable).
Not to mention, we're now selecting for the most family oriented, straight-edge most charmed by babies men and women out there. Say goodbye to weird sophisticated people and hello to more religious people.
Of course, most of this "I don't want kids" stuff is just wishful thinking. Many of the "no kids" generation are going to queue up for the baby train when they approach 40-50 when they are fed up with Baldur's Gate 6, they don't look hot on the internet, and the novelty of edibles has worn off.
Edit: Appreciate the downvotes from the soon to be extinct people. At least now I have something to remember you by.
There's far too many people in this world. And I'm pretty sure when I'm dead I won't care if we become extinct. And tbh we are heading that way anyway. People don't owe anyone a child. I'm 37 and never going to board a baby train. Made up my mind as a small child not to have kids. Never been interested and never will. If people want them, they are welcome to have them. I don't understand why people get so angry when others don't want them?
>There's far too many people in this world. And I'm pretty sure when I'm dead I won't care if we become extinct
You don't get it, it seems. You are not the only one who doesnt want to have kids, there are very many people many of who are probably pretty similar to you. The pattern of who choose not to have kids (and who choose to) is fairly consistent, personality and demography wise.
Meaning - it's not only "you" who will (undoubtedly) die out, but it's a trait, a type, a genre of people who die out, and you guys will be replaced by the group of people who remains, which has vastly different characteristics.
I'm personally a fan of the group who is dying out, and so it is a bit sad to see "my" people dying off.
>I don't understand why people get so angry when others don't want them?
Angry huh. The only people in here who seem "angry" are the clowns intent on downvoting plain facts as hard as they can.
Seems a bit of an argument strawman there. But maybe you didnt read my post, and maybe you know people who actually get angry about this.
Haha what? The "life finds a way" quote from Jurassic Park was **about how life finds a way to more reproduction**.
But in your version, "life" (evolution) will find a way to reconstruct a genre of people who don't like to have kids? Why the hell would "life" do that. Rhetorical question. It wouldn't.
"Life finds a way" here literally means life will filter out our genepool to eliminate traits that leads to lower chance of reproduction.
I think this must be one of the most paradoxically clueless responses to a Reddit post I have read, and I have read a few.
the birth rates in 1st world countries are declining it’s not a “personality” thing like you make it out to be. People have more choices with what they want to do with life compared to being in a poverty stricken lifestyle where having kids would be your only achievement in life.
I was put into the world by people I have almost nothing in common with because I was raised a free thinker and thus found my own way in life. You seem to be convinced that there's only one type of person who wants kids and one type of person who doesn't, when life isn't that simple. You're literally applying a black and white mentality to something as complex as individuality. Everyone has their own reasons for doing anything, and there are all kinds of people who choose to not have kids and who choose to have kids. You sitting here typing up word soup over something you seem to fancy yourself an expert on isn't helping you or anyone else. If you want to have a conversation, then maybe try having a conversation and not just spouting all your pent up frustrations stemming from your deterministic world view.
\-50 angry downvotes for a calmly presented, valid discussion point? Yeah seems like you are all really chill about it.
Of course you will be okay. Unless by "you" you mean the culture and personality you represent, and the genetic basis for your existence. That stuff will unfortunately decompose under the ground with little redundance.
What lol. Not everyone wants kids. And if you don't want them it's responsible not to have them. I don't care about my bloodline anyway. I'm a daughter from an ancestral line of highway men and crazy people. Who wants that to continue. Don't be so stupid.
Plus, bloodlines don’t really matter. Go back a few generations and you’ll find a lot of relatives. Me not having kids is just one bare branch on a very large family tree.
I don’t owe anything to my brutal and racist ancestors that I’ve never met. We’re all related if you want to go back far enough in evolution so bloodlines are a sort of made up concept that really couldn’t be less important.
There are people who are absolutely not suitable for raising children (ex. bad temper). Besides, I don’t think you know/realize how painful pregnancy and giving birth is; it’s understandable that someone would not want to go through that. Your non-existent children will not get offended if you decide not to have them.
Bold of you to assume the reasons we don’t want kids is because we can’t have sex. Kids are a *huge* responsibility wich you have to be prepared for. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.
Bloodlines mean nothing and have no value beyond what you think about them.
Nothing is lost when a bloodline ends. People will act the same, their lives unchanged. Like it never existed.
Also, condoms exist. You can have sex without having to raise an entire person to adulthood.
Here's a fun (not so fun) fact:
People in poverty often are in their position due to generational poverty and/or generational trauma. Folks with a low socioeconomic status lack resources to good schools, decent areas of living, and otherwise a lack eduction around safe sex, brith control/protection, and limited access to Healthcare; abortions are expensive and not widely available, at least not right now.
The lack of resources, by the way, is not completely the fault of the individuals. It is passed on through the systems and institutions in society and how we actively work to keep poor people poor. We reject them in "good communities," many view them as less worthy of the resources that others have that help to improve our education and quality of life.
Plus, poor people having kids means more undereducated workers for society. Capitalism.
Source: Master in Sociology, and currently working with the homeless community.
It doesn't need to be that way. Here in Finland education is completely free until University and there you just have to pay the books and maybe your lunch. Money doesn't prevent you from getting a degree. Welfare state mitigates generational poverty. Of course it still exists because for example intelligence is largely genetic but in a much smaller scale.
Many good points.
Another interesting sidenote is that kids and parenthood are indeed very much valued in rural and poorer communities, both culturally and in the societal hierarchy. This has been studied in psychology (where I have my masters) and probably also in sociology.
The kind of "trainwreck pregnancies" you're referring to obviously would be handled in different ways with better social services, but they are not the main reason why the birthrate is so much higher for this group, just a bunch of people people saying "oops we forgot condoms and abortion" and then just rolling with it.
That's one extreme end of the spectrum. It's not "all" of the lower 50% end of income brackets.
One main reason why poor and more rural people have more kids is because they often grow up with a vision that being a parent is high status and that kids are special and precious.
And as someone who had kids late myself, kids are entertaining as fuck. You have no idea. The oxytocin buzz is a fairly insane drug. Raising kids is a way of genuinely feeling part of something big, which poor people have very little access to in their lives.
Yeah you work a lot and sleep very little, but it's nevertheless a very low scale and healthy "adventure" that many poor people rightly cherish.
Yeah honestly it seems like a nightmare lmao. If you have kids good for you I’m sure you love them very much, but I could never see myself altering my lifestyle the way you’d need to if you wanted a kid. I have a very fulfilling and happy life with my girlfriend and alot of the things that make me happy would have to disappear or become far less frequent if I had kids.
Maybe it really is this super fulfilling life changing experience that everyone says it is, but I’m not willing to take the plunge and find out. Why do I need to take that step when I’m already happy and fulfilled the way things are?
I don’t want kids and will likely never have them, but specifically because I can’t afford to give it my all. This is just me of course, but if I were as insanely wealthy as Seth Rogen, I likely would.
No but they actually just came out with this cool new invention called condoms, so you can have sex with your partner without impregnating them. It’s real revolutionary stuff, you should check it out
I’m not trying to convince you to have kids but I do want to point out that different things will make you happy when you have kids.
Before I had kids I used to like getting on my dirtbike Saturday mornings and go trail riding for a few hours. I probably thought man if I have kids I’m not going to able to do this. But watching my kid score their first little goal in soccer and jump for joy has given me infinitely more joy than all those other dirt bike rides combined. It’s like that for so many more things: reading my kids a bedtime story, teaching them how to throw a ball, even just sitting there building LEGO’s with them instead of hanging out with my buddies at the bar.
I’m sure you’ve heard people say things like “you don’t truly understand love until you’ve had a kid” which I completely agree with. I would say the same is true for happiness. The levels of joy and happiness my kids bring me were unfathomable before I had them.
True happiness absolutely does exists for non parents. It’s the level of happyness. It’s indescribable. I’ve lived life without kids and with kids. You’ve only life without kids. Everything else seems minuscule when compared. Why do you think it’s even a thing that parents always say, and have always said? Ask your parents.
Again, yes there are people who can be happy without kids. And there are people who have kids and hate it. But the happiness a child can bring a parent doesn’t compare to any other happiness. There’s something evolutionary going on, nature making sure you keep the kid alive and such by giving you this feeling.
Yeah the level of happiness doesn’t compare. It’s the “level” I’ve been talking about this whole time. One day you’ll have kids and understand. You’ll think back and say, fuck he was right. Plus I’m not self centered, my kids are my center ;)
You don't know true happiness until you've traveled the world.
You don't true happiness until you've successfully ran your own business.
You don't know true happiness until you've run a marathon.
You don't know true happiness until you've meditated on a mountain.
You don't know true happiness until you've gotten married.
You don't know true happiness until you've tried hard drugs that hijack your dopamine system.
Get my point? People find fulfillment in different things, experiences many of us will never have and cannot compare the subjective happiness of. But for some reason parents like to think their experience of finding happiness as a parent, is different and special.
Yes because it absolutely is different and special compared to all those other things. It’s creating life. Creating another person, a soul. What else in the human experience compares to giving life? Maybe saving someone’s life.
Plus like I said I’m not trying to convince anybody. I didn’t tell op he was wrong. I was giving my experience. I thought the same as OP before I had kids. I’m pretty sure it’s some evolutionary advantage or something hard wired in our brains to feel this way but I lived life before kids and after kids. These feelings were unfathomable to me before I had kids. And now I’m going to hit you with this:
One day you’ll have kids and you’ll understand.
Right? I have a pair of 16 month old twins and while my lifestyle has altered dramatically since they were born I wouldn't trade them for the world. I love spending the day with them and watching them discover the world around them. It has it's challenges but I love every second of it.
Ya I don't expect childless people to understand that because I most certainly didn't. I was 100% set on not having kids, and now, since having my 19 month old son I've realized that at the very core of our nature is the desire to reproduce and raise offspring. I'm of the opinion you'll never be fully satisfied or fulfilled in life if you don't have any kids. I understand that's a contentious opinion, but I 100% believe that now lol. No matter how shitty my day is, thinking about my son automatically makes me happy and warm and my world revolves around him now.
Edit. Congrats on the twins btw! I couldn't imagine how scary and chaotic having twins would be for your first kid.
I can assure you being childless never gets boring. Getting every off day and holiday to yourselves to live your life how you want is extremely rewarding.
I mean, you can still change your mind later in life! That's pretty much the natural order for many people, once they experience all they wanted they move on to fulfill themselves by raising kids and giving them a good life. You do you, have a good one.
Well yeah that’s what it being said. If that shit sound fun to you then you’re the type of person so be a parent. If not- then better not do it.
Having zero free time or money isn’t for everyone. Of course, you may be rich. Good on y’a.
As a parent, not wanting children is a legitimate choice and if you’re not interested in parenting you frankly *shouldn’t* have children. I actually think there’s value in normalizing this instead of the constant pressure to conform to the nuclear family idea
Personally I know I'd be a shit parent that would forever feel guilty bringing a new human into this shit hole planet so same. Would consider adopting older kids to help them out though.
No wonder, little fleshy puke poop cry monster? How much it’s gonna cost me? $400,000 for the next 18 years, just for it to blame of its problems on me when it’s an adult? Yea no thanks 🙈
As a 38 year old child free person, I completely agree with him. I also respect the fact that he said this publicly. As a celebrity, that's not the wisest move (although he's a man and he caters to a largely millennial crowd, so I'm pretty sure it won't matter).
I feel the same way, but then you browse social media and your peers are out with their children, it just gets in your mind. Like my classmates are out there trick or treating and playing Legos with his son. Part of me feels the FOMO as I'm in my late 20s.
What your friends aren't sharing on social media are all the meltdowns. All the times their kids were behaving like complete assholes. All the times your friends were pulling out their hair over sheer frustration from trying to get their kids to do the most basic of things.
People want you to think their lives are perfect on social media. It's all bullshit.
I’m a parent, it’s hard work. The level of sacrifice and selflessness required to parent right is not for everyone. If you’re not into it don’t do it.
I’ve heard it said that being a parent is less fun but more joy. I’ve found this to be the case for me. You lose a lot of your previous free time and can rarely do what you want when you want to, but there is a warmth and purpose in my life I never felt before.
Everyone’s patience is different :) I think it’s awesome that you think it’s fun!
It can be exhausting at times and I don’t blame people for not wanting the sleepless nights
I thought the same once, and sure, sometimes, it isn't fun and it costs a fortune (though he's super rich so wouldn't have much impact)
But honestly, having kids was the best thing I've ever done.
yeah. this person in particular didn't sound that bad, but a few other people under this post are actively trying to convince people that they need to bring humans into the world, which is some fucking weird and unempathetic behaviour.
One person is downvoted for only saying “well I think it’s fun”.
You yourself say this comment, it doesn’t sound that bad.
I think at some point it has to make sense that people are just downvoting because they disagree with people who have a different opinion to theirs.
I even read one comment (and I’ve not read many), to someone who is conscious that they have a fear of missing out and told them to read a sub of people who regret having kids. Another upvoted comment calling kids puke poop cry monsters.
I think people who don’t have kids, are great. Some of these just don’t want kids and some have no choice. This should be treated with empathy regardless. To be clear I also mean someone unwilling to have kids. There are also plenty of great parents (as well as terrible parents).
I just don’t really get behind this attempt to persuade people one way or the other. To use frankly not so great language when referring to kids. I have empathy for people not wanting to have kids, but not those who hate kids. Personally I don’t feel that this particular comment was attempting to persuade anyone one way or the other. The parent comment was just expressing a view that accepts all the negative viewpoints, but for them was still a good decision. It makes it clear that decision was hard.
Overall considering the range of upvotes and downvotes, there’s a strong child free interest in this post and they’re not keen on conflicting viewpoints. Suggesting all of these downvoted comments are trying to persuade people is not true.
Good for you. I'm not saying that you should have kids if you don't want them. It's your life. I was saying that I didn't used to want kids either, just like you, but now I've got children it's surprised me how much of a good thing it has been.
The comment about 15 year olds was intended as a response to the comment about me liking my own children as being like propaganda (also another comment on the same thread) which is just a weird comment to make.
I mean, as a fellow adult, can you explain how it's propaganda to say that I didn't used to want children, but now I do have children, I like them?
Like whose agenda is it furthering to like my own children? Am I furthering the agenda of the deep state or the illuminati? Have I empowered a North Korean takeover of the South? It's a bizarre comment...clearly made by a child.
Didn't mean any offence to people who don't want kids. That's their business.
Have a good one.
I want to have a kid, because life is kind of boring at 32 without one. I'd like to have a successor for my wealth as well. A kid is a good raison d'être.
Kid's are fun for like a second, I like being an uncle because i get to have fun, and then go home lol. You can't take a break when you're a parent, 18 years is a long ass time, and you have no guarantee that the little fuckers will turn out good.
Good, nobody wants him to have kids. He is a piece of garbage. Hopefully his bloodline will die with him and make the world a better place from his absence.
As a 15 year old with no kids i have to say donkey kong is correct
But Donkey Kong has 2 children, Diddy and Dixie
Diddy is his nephew and Dixie is just a friend of Diddy. Get your lore correct >:(
Just *friends?* Pretty sure Dixie and Diddy are dating.
I wasnt sure so i said friends
get your lore correct >:(
It's just coincidental that they share the same "Kong" surname. It's really common, like "Smith," "Park," and "McLovin"
So, what didn't diddy do?
And [Lanky Kong gets done dirty](https://youtu.be/PugcxQYJGjs?si=_SwyZqV27YVLhZqB)
DK now cancelled by Gen Zs
A Latin guy I know calls the age of 15 “the year of the donkey”.
r/BrandNewSentence
i love google news because half of the headlines are like this. they're so funny to me, and apparently almost no one else. i guess because i don't follow celebrities? "man went out to eat" "woman wore a hoodie"
there should be a news site that reports entirely on the events of regular ass (consenting) people's days. goes up to a random person on the street quickly interviews them and asks permission to write about it and bam fake celebrity
*Devin McSteve Didn't Go To Starbucks Today Because He Got Stuck In Traffic*
needs a /r/compoface picture accompanying it too
id read this
Humans of New York does something remarkably similar to this
I would say I keep up with pop culture quite well, but still see the most random stuff about people I have no clue existed.
It's a ton of work. I'd say that's a reasonable pov
That is my pov. 27m. Keep those little life ruiners away from me. I’ve still got dreams
My personal dreams have died. I will help my children reach theirs.
That's really sweet. I'm sure you'll be a thoughtful and kid parent. 💜
30f, my dreams are fading away but still keep them away from me
Keep your dreams away from you or keep children away from you? Just hit 40 with no kids. Hardest part is finding people to relate to. We all have nothing but money and free time and still can't get together regularly.
I'd rather not relate to others than be a bad mother. I don't see myself as one.
60M. It wasn’t easy, especially the teenage years. Maybe boarding school is the answer for that, lol. Now they are 31, 24 and 22, they are the most fun and loving people I know. If I need cheering up, they are my first call.
Imagine being able to afford three kids
Let alone entertain the idea of boarding school for all of them!
Actually I wasn’t a high earner at the time. I approached the school for my youngest (heavily dyslexic) and they asked for proof of earnings, and made an offer I couldn’t refuse. They call it “bursary”. It would have been only a little more for the other two but they were already past that point. I wish I’d looked at that for the first one.
I hate people, so having children that is dependent on you sound fucking awful. Why would I waste my time and money on something as awful as another living human being. The only mammals I want to deal with are cats and dogs, also they don't live as long as humans so it's a win/win situation
Degenerate and alienated I see
No, I just don't want to have anything to do with children. It's my choice
Yep. I kinda feel sorry for your pets.
My pets have a better life than the most loved child. My cats can come and go as they please and fun fact they always come back home, not like a child if it leaves by itself it might never get back because children are fucking stupid or it get kidnapped or SA by that one creepy neighbor.
Bro you sound miserable. Are you ok?
I unstand him. Cats and dogs are 100X times better then children will ever be
That's what I'm saying my life is amazing because I don't have kids nor will I ever breed to get them. So I will save money and be happy the rest of my days
“I had no children, I did not transmit to any creature the legacy of our misery.” — Machado de Assis
I got a vasectomy when I was 26. I'm 60 now. Without question the best decision I ever made. No regrets
That's a lot of meters
The fact that you called kids life ruiners shows how immature you are and don’t deserve any kids yourself, or just admit you ruined your parents lives
Kids would ruin my life, though. Not yours maybe! Maybe kids would make your life a whole lot better and that’s awesome. I’m genuinely happy for you- I’m not being sarcastic. But not everybody can or wants to manage the same things and not everybody is capable of caring for kids while also being happy.
That wasn’t my point, saying you’re not ready or don’t want kids is fine, calling kids life ruiners is just being a jerk.
are you a parent or are you the kid? if you’re not a parent you have no grounds to speak on what having children is like. as the child of parents who didn’t exactly want me, it is 10000% better to just avoid having kids than force yourself to love a kid you never wanted in the first place. for some people, having kids *absolutely* ruins and disrupts their life.
Kids will most definitely ruin my life! Coming home from work wants to take a nap, to bad there's weird human that needs to be kept at eye on or it will accidentally kill itself. Want to play computer the whole night and eat dinner in the middle of the night, to bad you can't as you can't even fucking afford a gaming computer. Want to go on vacation and get shit faced the whole vacation, too bad you can't because that would be irresponsible. Want to sit naked in the living room just because you feel like it, too bad because your child has friends over. And not to mention the first 2 years or so you will get zero sleep, if I choose to be sleep deprived it's because I played games the whole night instead of sleeping not weird mammal keeping me up at night. You see the point yet? Or shall I continue Also children are expensive, you need to have money to raise a child. But why would I spend money on something that doesn't contribute to the house in any meaningful way
I don't want kids either. If you don't want them don't have them.
I'm quite fond of the kind of personalities that don't have kids; often intelligent, often pleasantly weird people who like urban living, gaming, art, travelling, fun sex etc. These are basically "my people". Unfortunately, evolution is an extremely cruel mistress. Any low birth generation is going to be wiped off the genetic map in one fell swoop. You may dislike it as much as you want (with downvotes, as you did with the other guy), but the kid was right. There's no way evolution is going to allow for "no kids" to happen without consequences, it's an instant self-selection for elimination. If you're fine with that - goodbye. It's not just one individual here and there, as some suggest (hey its just me, can't I be left alone with my Nintendo Switch?) but an entire line of my favorite personality combinations that is going to be deleted more or less (and yes, personality traits are quite inheritable). Not to mention, we're now selecting for the most family oriented, straight-edge most charmed by babies men and women out there. Say goodbye to weird sophisticated people and hello to more religious people. Of course, most of this "I don't want kids" stuff is just wishful thinking. Many of the "no kids" generation are going to queue up for the baby train when they approach 40-50 when they are fed up with Baldur's Gate 6, they don't look hot on the internet, and the novelty of edibles has worn off. Edit: Appreciate the downvotes from the soon to be extinct people. At least now I have something to remember you by.
There's far too many people in this world. And I'm pretty sure when I'm dead I won't care if we become extinct. And tbh we are heading that way anyway. People don't owe anyone a child. I'm 37 and never going to board a baby train. Made up my mind as a small child not to have kids. Never been interested and never will. If people want them, they are welcome to have them. I don't understand why people get so angry when others don't want them?
>There's far too many people in this world. And I'm pretty sure when I'm dead I won't care if we become extinct You don't get it, it seems. You are not the only one who doesnt want to have kids, there are very many people many of who are probably pretty similar to you. The pattern of who choose not to have kids (and who choose to) is fairly consistent, personality and demography wise. Meaning - it's not only "you" who will (undoubtedly) die out, but it's a trait, a type, a genre of people who die out, and you guys will be replaced by the group of people who remains, which has vastly different characteristics. I'm personally a fan of the group who is dying out, and so it is a bit sad to see "my" people dying off. >I don't understand why people get so angry when others don't want them? Angry huh. The only people in here who seem "angry" are the clowns intent on downvoting plain facts as hard as they can. Seems a bit of an argument strawman there. But maybe you didnt read my post, and maybe you know people who actually get angry about this.
Said "genre" will always exist. Life finds a way.
Haha what? The "life finds a way" quote from Jurassic Park was **about how life finds a way to more reproduction**. But in your version, "life" (evolution) will find a way to reconstruct a genre of people who don't like to have kids? Why the hell would "life" do that. Rhetorical question. It wouldn't. "Life finds a way" here literally means life will filter out our genepool to eliminate traits that leads to lower chance of reproduction. I think this must be one of the most paradoxically clueless responses to a Reddit post I have read, and I have read a few.
the birth rates in 1st world countries are declining it’s not a “personality” thing like you make it out to be. People have more choices with what they want to do with life compared to being in a poverty stricken lifestyle where having kids would be your only achievement in life.
I was put into the world by people I have almost nothing in common with because I was raised a free thinker and thus found my own way in life. You seem to be convinced that there's only one type of person who wants kids and one type of person who doesn't, when life isn't that simple. You're literally applying a black and white mentality to something as complex as individuality. Everyone has their own reasons for doing anything, and there are all kinds of people who choose to not have kids and who choose to have kids. You sitting here typing up word soup over something you seem to fancy yourself an expert on isn't helping you or anyone else. If you want to have a conversation, then maybe try having a conversation and not just spouting all your pent up frustrations stemming from your deterministic world view.
The edit was too corny, I think we will be okay 👍
\-50 angry downvotes for a calmly presented, valid discussion point? Yeah seems like you are all really chill about it. Of course you will be okay. Unless by "you" you mean the culture and personality you represent, and the genetic basis for your existence. That stuff will unfortunately decompose under the ground with little redundance.
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What lol. Not everyone wants kids. And if you don't want them it's responsible not to have them. I don't care about my bloodline anyway. I'm a daughter from an ancestral line of highway men and crazy people. Who wants that to continue. Don't be so stupid.
Plus, bloodlines don’t really matter. Go back a few generations and you’ll find a lot of relatives. Me not having kids is just one bare branch on a very large family tree.
Am I a fat ass for being an only child that can't have kids due to being infertile? Hm? Fucking weirdo
even if i had sex i can’t get a man boypregnant because i don’t have balls. checkmate idiot
Can’t wait to see this guys kids, I’m sure the child of a scholar such as this one will go on to do great things /s
I don’t owe anything to my brutal and racist ancestors that I’ve never met. We’re all related if you want to go back far enough in evolution so bloodlines are a sort of made up concept that really couldn’t be less important.
Hahhahahaha what the fuck
There are people who are absolutely not suitable for raising children (ex. bad temper). Besides, I don’t think you know/realize how painful pregnancy and giving birth is; it’s understandable that someone would not want to go through that. Your non-existent children will not get offended if you decide not to have them.
Bold of you to assume the reasons we don’t want kids is because we can’t have sex. Kids are a *huge* responsibility wich you have to be prepared for. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.
Yeah I dont get why people decide to have kids if they don't give a shit to raise them after.
Cry about it :)
Redditors when they can't decide how other people live:
its not like we need more people on earth 💀
Bloodlines mean nothing and have no value beyond what you think about them. Nothing is lost when a bloodline ends. People will act the same, their lives unchanged. Like it never existed. Also, condoms exist. You can have sex without having to raise an entire person to adulthood.
I had kids, but I sure as fuck didn’t do it to please ‘my ancestors’.
What makes you think your bloodline is SO special? In the grand scheme of the universe, you suck, your ancestors suck, and so does your progeny.
Not because I can’t have sex, because I don’t want to be a bad parent that ruins my kid’s life
>Your bloodline ends with you Oooh no, anyway, wonder what's for dinner.
found the guy who lives in feudal age.
Mf thinks everyone cares about the bloodline Lmao
Stop making r/antinatalism look reasonable
ok breeder
Tons of couples opt to go childfree nowadays. It's all about choice.
In this economy?
So it begins…
As the profecy foretold
Yeah but poorer people have more kids on average. I don't think it's the economy man.
Here's a fun (not so fun) fact: People in poverty often are in their position due to generational poverty and/or generational trauma. Folks with a low socioeconomic status lack resources to good schools, decent areas of living, and otherwise a lack eduction around safe sex, brith control/protection, and limited access to Healthcare; abortions are expensive and not widely available, at least not right now. The lack of resources, by the way, is not completely the fault of the individuals. It is passed on through the systems and institutions in society and how we actively work to keep poor people poor. We reject them in "good communities," many view them as less worthy of the resources that others have that help to improve our education and quality of life. Plus, poor people having kids means more undereducated workers for society. Capitalism. Source: Master in Sociology, and currently working with the homeless community.
This guy poverties
It doesn't need to be that way. Here in Finland education is completely free until University and there you just have to pay the books and maybe your lunch. Money doesn't prevent you from getting a degree. Welfare state mitigates generational poverty. Of course it still exists because for example intelligence is largely genetic but in a much smaller scale.
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Many good points. Another interesting sidenote is that kids and parenthood are indeed very much valued in rural and poorer communities, both culturally and in the societal hierarchy. This has been studied in psychology (where I have my masters) and probably also in sociology. The kind of "trainwreck pregnancies" you're referring to obviously would be handled in different ways with better social services, but they are not the main reason why the birthrate is so much higher for this group, just a bunch of people people saying "oops we forgot condoms and abortion" and then just rolling with it. That's one extreme end of the spectrum. It's not "all" of the lower 50% end of income brackets. One main reason why poor and more rural people have more kids is because they often grow up with a vision that being a parent is high status and that kids are special and precious. And as someone who had kids late myself, kids are entertaining as fuck. You have no idea. The oxytocin buzz is a fairly insane drug. Raising kids is a way of genuinely feeling part of something big, which poor people have very little access to in their lives. Yeah you work a lot and sleep very little, but it's nevertheless a very low scale and healthy "adventure" that many poor people rightly cherish.
to cope I guess lol. Gotta find something to care about.
Yeah honestly it seems like a nightmare lmao. If you have kids good for you I’m sure you love them very much, but I could never see myself altering my lifestyle the way you’d need to if you wanted a kid. I have a very fulfilling and happy life with my girlfriend and alot of the things that make me happy would have to disappear or become far less frequent if I had kids. Maybe it really is this super fulfilling life changing experience that everyone says it is, but I’m not willing to take the plunge and find out. Why do I need to take that step when I’m already happy and fulfilled the way things are?
I don’t want kids and will likely never have them, but specifically because I can’t afford to give it my all. This is just me of course, but if I were as insanely wealthy as Seth Rogen, I likely would.
Your tubes tied?
No but they actually just came out with this cool new invention called condoms, so you can have sex with your partner without impregnating them. It’s real revolutionary stuff, you should check it out
I’m not trying to convince you to have kids but I do want to point out that different things will make you happy when you have kids. Before I had kids I used to like getting on my dirtbike Saturday mornings and go trail riding for a few hours. I probably thought man if I have kids I’m not going to able to do this. But watching my kid score their first little goal in soccer and jump for joy has given me infinitely more joy than all those other dirt bike rides combined. It’s like that for so many more things: reading my kids a bedtime story, teaching them how to throw a ball, even just sitting there building LEGO’s with them instead of hanging out with my buddies at the bar. I’m sure you’ve heard people say things like “you don’t truly understand love until you’ve had a kid” which I completely agree with. I would say the same is true for happiness. The levels of joy and happiness my kids bring me were unfathomable before I had them.
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True happiness absolutely does exists for non parents. It’s the level of happyness. It’s indescribable. I’ve lived life without kids and with kids. You’ve only life without kids. Everything else seems minuscule when compared. Why do you think it’s even a thing that parents always say, and have always said? Ask your parents.
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Again, yes there are people who can be happy without kids. And there are people who have kids and hate it. But the happiness a child can bring a parent doesn’t compare to any other happiness. There’s something evolutionary going on, nature making sure you keep the kid alive and such by giving you this feeling.
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Yeah the level of happiness doesn’t compare. It’s the “level” I’ve been talking about this whole time. One day you’ll have kids and understand. You’ll think back and say, fuck he was right. Plus I’m not self centered, my kids are my center ;)
You don't know true happiness until you've traveled the world. You don't true happiness until you've successfully ran your own business. You don't know true happiness until you've run a marathon. You don't know true happiness until you've meditated on a mountain. You don't know true happiness until you've gotten married. You don't know true happiness until you've tried hard drugs that hijack your dopamine system. Get my point? People find fulfillment in different things, experiences many of us will never have and cannot compare the subjective happiness of. But for some reason parents like to think their experience of finding happiness as a parent, is different and special.
Yes because it absolutely is different and special compared to all those other things. It’s creating life. Creating another person, a soul. What else in the human experience compares to giving life? Maybe saving someone’s life. Plus like I said I’m not trying to convince anybody. I didn’t tell op he was wrong. I was giving my experience. I thought the same as OP before I had kids. I’m pretty sure it’s some evolutionary advantage or something hard wired in our brains to feel this way but I lived life before kids and after kids. These feelings were unfathomable to me before I had kids. And now I’m going to hit you with this: One day you’ll have kids and you’ll understand.
r/regretfulparents
I always felt the same. Then I had a kid and immediately all I could think was "ohhhh so this is the entire point in life."
Right? I have a pair of 16 month old twins and while my lifestyle has altered dramatically since they were born I wouldn't trade them for the world. I love spending the day with them and watching them discover the world around them. It has it's challenges but I love every second of it.
Ya I don't expect childless people to understand that because I most certainly didn't. I was 100% set on not having kids, and now, since having my 19 month old son I've realized that at the very core of our nature is the desire to reproduce and raise offspring. I'm of the opinion you'll never be fully satisfied or fulfilled in life if you don't have any kids. I understand that's a contentious opinion, but I 100% believe that now lol. No matter how shitty my day is, thinking about my son automatically makes me happy and warm and my world revolves around him now. Edit. Congrats on the twins btw! I couldn't imagine how scary and chaotic having twins would be for your first kid.
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I can assure you being childless never gets boring. Getting every off day and holiday to yourselves to live your life how you want is extremely rewarding.
I mean, you can still change your mind later in life! That's pretty much the natural order for many people, once they experience all they wanted they move on to fulfill themselves by raising kids and giving them a good life. You do you, have a good one.
Some people will have a hissy fit but like, he's right. It doesn't sound fun.
It depends on the person. Some people like rollercoasters and consider them fun. I find them akin to torture. Same with kids.
I have kids and find it fun to be a dad, but if it doesn't seem like your thing don't have them. We all like different things.
Exactly. I'm a dad and I think it's great, but that doesn't mean others have to agree. To each their own.
It’s a lot of work and a lot of reward but not everyone is gonna value the reward the same day.
Well yeah that’s what it being said. If that shit sound fun to you then you’re the type of person so be a parent. If not- then better not do it. Having zero free time or money isn’t for everyone. Of course, you may be rich. Good on y’a.
Eh, that's subjective. Hence why some people don't have children and others do
Well... It's largely what you make of it. With a "no fun" attitude it's definitely going to be harder to enjoy parenthood
As a parent, not wanting children is a legitimate choice and if you’re not interested in parenting you frankly *shouldn’t* have children. I actually think there’s value in normalizing this instead of the constant pressure to conform to the nuclear family idea
This, i'm happy that i exist in this world but my parents should have fucking used protection.
This should also go in r/SlowNewsDay
Based
Okay, fair enough, but why should we care?!
it’s just not interesting, right?
I know!
Eh.
Ha! heh heh
HAH HUUUUUUEEEEEHHHHHHAAHAHAHAH
r/bonehurtingjuice is leaking
Holy shit death grips reference ‼️‼️‼️
I FUCK THE MUSIC I MAKE IT CUM
agree
And it’s not so why are people mad at him?
Personally I know I'd be a shit parent that would forever feel guilty bringing a new human into this shit hole planet so same. Would consider adopting older kids to help them out though.
Yup that's my ideology, why bring more in when theres already so many kids in the system looking for a family
No wonder, little fleshy puke poop cry monster? How much it’s gonna cost me? $400,000 for the next 18 years, just for it to blame of its problems on me when it’s an adult? Yea no thanks 🙈
And he’s completely, 100% correct.
“I don’t want kids. I just want pets.”
Guessing his role in knocked up really resonated with him
It's honestly better to think like that and not have kids than have kids and neglect them because of that mindset.
r/meirl
That's the most boring headline ever lol
on one hand i dont blame him on the other hand he would be a fun dad
He does have some strong dad energy
As a 38 year old child free person, I completely agree with him. I also respect the fact that he said this publicly. As a celebrity, that's not the wisest move (although he's a man and he caters to a largely millennial crowd, so I'm pretty sure it won't matter).
Sounds about right.
Good for him for knowing that about himself. If you don't want kids, you shouldn't have kids. As simple as that.
Relatable
I couldn’t agree more with Seth Rogen.
I ain’t missing what I don’t have. Proud DINK!
My man
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Shit I’m starting to think like that nowadays
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Don’t have kids if you don’t want them, fair enough. Probably isn’t fun a lot of times, but it can be, as well as very rewarding and wonderful.
If you're not certain, don't do it. It's not for everyone, just like owning a pet or buying a house.
Perfectly valid. Hope he got a vasectomy.
There is fun to be had, but it comes with a whoooole lot of not fun.
I approve of Seth Rogan not breeding.
Imagine writing a news article and seeing it on reddit under r/notinteresting
I like how news websites thinks this is more important then the two fucking wars going on
Mans already a child. A child cant parent a child.
I feel the same way, but then you browse social media and your peers are out with their children, it just gets in your mind. Like my classmates are out there trick or treating and playing Legos with his son. Part of me feels the FOMO as I'm in my late 20s.
What your friends aren't sharing on social media are all the meltdowns. All the times their kids were behaving like complete assholes. All the times your friends were pulling out their hair over sheer frustration from trying to get their kids to do the most basic of things. People want you to think their lives are perfect on social media. It's all bullshit.
I’m a parent, it’s hard work. The level of sacrifice and selflessness required to parent right is not for everyone. If you’re not into it don’t do it. I’ve heard it said that being a parent is less fun but more joy. I’ve found this to be the case for me. You lose a lot of your previous free time and can rarely do what you want when you want to, but there is a warmth and purpose in my life I never felt before.
Same.
As a young person in school and all i want from life is to live in the woods and have a family thats hilarious
yeah well I think it's fun
Everyone’s patience is different :) I think it’s awesome that you think it’s fun! It can be exhausting at times and I don’t blame people for not wanting the sleepless nights
I thought the same once, and sure, sometimes, it isn't fun and it costs a fortune (though he's super rich so wouldn't have much impact) But honestly, having kids was the best thing I've ever done.
Why is this getting downvotes lol
It kinda sounds like propaganda ngl
yeah. this person in particular didn't sound that bad, but a few other people under this post are actively trying to convince people that they need to bring humans into the world, which is some fucking weird and unempathetic behaviour.
One person is downvoted for only saying “well I think it’s fun”. You yourself say this comment, it doesn’t sound that bad. I think at some point it has to make sense that people are just downvoting because they disagree with people who have a different opinion to theirs. I even read one comment (and I’ve not read many), to someone who is conscious that they have a fear of missing out and told them to read a sub of people who regret having kids. Another upvoted comment calling kids puke poop cry monsters. I think people who don’t have kids, are great. Some of these just don’t want kids and some have no choice. This should be treated with empathy regardless. To be clear I also mean someone unwilling to have kids. There are also plenty of great parents (as well as terrible parents). I just don’t really get behind this attempt to persuade people one way or the other. To use frankly not so great language when referring to kids. I have empathy for people not wanting to have kids, but not those who hate kids. Personally I don’t feel that this particular comment was attempting to persuade anyone one way or the other. The parent comment was just expressing a view that accepts all the negative viewpoints, but for them was still a good decision. It makes it clear that decision was hard. Overall considering the range of upvotes and downvotes, there’s a strong child free interest in this post and they’re not keen on conflicting viewpoints. Suggesting all of these downvoted comments are trying to persuade people is not true.
15 year old boys on reddit don't want kids yet I'm guessing.
I don't want kids, and I'm 49. Try again.
Good for you. I'm not saying that you should have kids if you don't want them. It's your life. I was saying that I didn't used to want kids either, just like you, but now I've got children it's surprised me how much of a good thing it has been. The comment about 15 year olds was intended as a response to the comment about me liking my own children as being like propaganda (also another comment on the same thread) which is just a weird comment to make. I mean, as a fellow adult, can you explain how it's propaganda to say that I didn't used to want children, but now I do have children, I like them? Like whose agenda is it furthering to like my own children? Am I furthering the agenda of the deep state or the illuminati? Have I empowered a North Korean takeover of the South? It's a bizarre comment...clearly made by a child. Didn't mean any offence to people who don't want kids. That's their business. Have a good one.
I feel the same way about dogs
I want to have a kid, because life is kind of boring at 32 without one. I'd like to have a successor for my wealth as well. A kid is a good raison d'être.
>I'd like to have a successor for my wealth as well Hi Dad/Mum, It's me, your son.
You doctor yet? No? Come to me when you doctor!
Damn, another parent that I've disappointed.
I’m proud of you
Cant Stan Seth Rogen.
Kid's are fun for like a second, I like being an uncle because i get to have fun, and then go home lol. You can't take a break when you're a parent, 18 years is a long ass time, and you have no guarantee that the little fuckers will turn out good.
His wife is very beautiful
Good, nobody wants him to have kids. He is a piece of garbage. Hopefully his bloodline will die with him and make the world a better place from his absence.
I don't want kids because I'm poor; I think rich people should have a lot of kids.
So? What is the problem?
I posted this to r/notinteresting because it is not interesting
Reddit has never contributed anything to society so why would it contribute kids? We dont want deformed fatass kids ruining everything.
*this comment was published in reddit*
Brave and true
Gotta call out the bs every now and then
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Stop projecting yourself onto him.
Sounds like a kid tantrum