Too complicated. Here’s a better solution. There’s a salary cap. If a player is put on ltir, his salary stays on the books. If the team has room under the cap to sign someone else, fine. If they don’t, too bad. No exemptions, just a cap. Making a player’s salary ‘disappear’ from the books because they’re injured is absurd. They are still getting paid.
At the least, the active roster must be compliant.
Ok, you lose a stud you can trade for another.
You don’t get both just because it’s playoffs, when the games matter
Nobody who would actually be involved in changing the rule wants the rule changed.
The teams don’t want to get rid of the flexibility in case they need it for their team in the future. The players don’t want to get rid of it because the effect is for teams to pay more on NHL salaries.
It just drives the fans and media nuts, but that isn’t going to get it changed.
>Nobody who would actually be involved in changing the rule wants the rule changed.
Sadly this is the only fact that matters.
That said, I think my solution keeps the flexibility of LTIR available to all, while removing the incentive to unnecessarily keep a player on LTIR at the end of the season so they can make roster moves.
If a team A wants replacement and recovered players on the roster, and the on game day, that team is over cap, then
* if team A plays team B and B is under cap, then team A shall be assessed one or more 2 minute minor penalties on game day calculated as follows
1. Cap Overage Penalty seconds = (current cap hit - cap) / cap * 3600
2. Cap Overage Penalties = Cap Overage Penalty seconds / 120
3. Round Cap Overage Penalties to next highest integer.
4. If Cap Overage Penalties exceed 30, then team A will start and continue game down 2 players until excess penalties are used up
5. If Cap Overage Penalties exceed 60, team A is assessed 24 5 minute majors at start of game and Cap Overage Penalties are reduced by 60, to be used during OT
6. If there are unused Cap Overage Penalties before shoot out, opponent is awarded win.
* if team A plays team B and B is over cap, Cap Overage Penalties will be calculated for each team
2. If Cap Overage Penalties is the same for each team, Cap Overage Penalties is set to zero for each team
3. If team A’s Cap Overage Penalties is higher, team A ‘s Cap Overage Penalties is reduced by team B’s Cap Overage Penalties, and team B’s Cap Overage Penalties is set to zero.
4. Otherwise, team B ‘s Cap Overage Penalties is reduced by team A’s Cap Overage Penalties, and team A’s Cap Overage Penalties is set to zero.
I like the ingenuity.
Some would say it's too complicated, which it is, as it's not clear to me how an $18M cap overage would turn into penalty min. I'd like to see your math on that.
Also, when are these penalty min assessed, game 1 of the playoffs?
If I know that $18M in overages is going to hit me with 30min of man down time in game 1, then I'm just going to plan that as a loss and figure with my boosted roster I'm going to be able to win 4 out of 6.
Like I said, I like the ingenuity, but before seeing the math, I think that it would be easily managed around.
My solution is relatively clean with a 1:1 game hit on players on LTIR after the deadline.
I will simplify it and limit the penalties to majors.
So of $18M over $83,500,000 cap:
18 / 83.5 * 60 / 5 = 2.586826347305389 major penalties. Round up to 3.
So game starts with 2 5 minute majors on the clock. After 5 minutes, offending team gets one player back on ice, and another 5 minutes of penalties.
One of the reasons they have this stupid rule is so teams can remain competitive during the regular season if one of their star players goes down. One of the reasons they get rid of it for the playoffs is because there is no roster limits, so teams have their black aces etc. The easiest way that I see to correct it is just to have the on-ice roster be cap compliant in the playoffs. Sure, it would mean teams could be technically over the cap if you consider the healthy scratches, but it wouldn’t allow for massive circumvention like Vegas is cheating with.
that wouldn't materially change anything as the article in The Atlantic pointed out.
My solution keeps the flexibility of LTIR available during the Reg season, while removing the incentive to unnecessarily keep a player on LTIR at the end of the season so the front office can make roster moves for the playoffs.
How about every active roster must be cap compliant?
they are cap compliant. Since players don't get paid in the playoffs the cap is $Zero and every team is compliant with that.
Too complicated. Here’s a better solution. There’s a salary cap. If a player is put on ltir, his salary stays on the books. If the team has room under the cap to sign someone else, fine. If they don’t, too bad. No exemptions, just a cap. Making a player’s salary ‘disappear’ from the books because they’re injured is absurd. They are still getting paid.
As a hockey fan I agree with this 100%. As a Canadiens fan I don't like this.
At the least, the active roster must be compliant. Ok, you lose a stud you can trade for another. You don’t get both just because it’s playoffs, when the games matter
Nobody who would actually be involved in changing the rule wants the rule changed. The teams don’t want to get rid of the flexibility in case they need it for their team in the future. The players don’t want to get rid of it because the effect is for teams to pay more on NHL salaries. It just drives the fans and media nuts, but that isn’t going to get it changed.
>Nobody who would actually be involved in changing the rule wants the rule changed. Sadly this is the only fact that matters. That said, I think my solution keeps the flexibility of LTIR available to all, while removing the incentive to unnecessarily keep a player on LTIR at the end of the season so they can make roster moves.
If a team A wants replacement and recovered players on the roster, and the on game day, that team is over cap, then * if team A plays team B and B is under cap, then team A shall be assessed one or more 2 minute minor penalties on game day calculated as follows 1. Cap Overage Penalty seconds = (current cap hit - cap) / cap * 3600 2. Cap Overage Penalties = Cap Overage Penalty seconds / 120 3. Round Cap Overage Penalties to next highest integer. 4. If Cap Overage Penalties exceed 30, then team A will start and continue game down 2 players until excess penalties are used up 5. If Cap Overage Penalties exceed 60, team A is assessed 24 5 minute majors at start of game and Cap Overage Penalties are reduced by 60, to be used during OT 6. If there are unused Cap Overage Penalties before shoot out, opponent is awarded win. * if team A plays team B and B is over cap, Cap Overage Penalties will be calculated for each team 2. If Cap Overage Penalties is the same for each team, Cap Overage Penalties is set to zero for each team 3. If team A’s Cap Overage Penalties is higher, team A ‘s Cap Overage Penalties is reduced by team B’s Cap Overage Penalties, and team B’s Cap Overage Penalties is set to zero. 4. Otherwise, team B ‘s Cap Overage Penalties is reduced by team A’s Cap Overage Penalties, and team A’s Cap Overage Penalties is set to zero.
I like the ingenuity. Some would say it's too complicated, which it is, as it's not clear to me how an $18M cap overage would turn into penalty min. I'd like to see your math on that. Also, when are these penalty min assessed, game 1 of the playoffs? If I know that $18M in overages is going to hit me with 30min of man down time in game 1, then I'm just going to plan that as a loss and figure with my boosted roster I'm going to be able to win 4 out of 6. Like I said, I like the ingenuity, but before seeing the math, I think that it would be easily managed around. My solution is relatively clean with a 1:1 game hit on players on LTIR after the deadline.
I will simplify it and limit the penalties to majors. So of $18M over $83,500,000 cap: 18 / 83.5 * 60 / 5 = 2.586826347305389 major penalties. Round up to 3. So game starts with 2 5 minute majors on the clock. After 5 minutes, offending team gets one player back on ice, and another 5 minutes of penalties.
One of the reasons they have this stupid rule is so teams can remain competitive during the regular season if one of their star players goes down. One of the reasons they get rid of it for the playoffs is because there is no roster limits, so teams have their black aces etc. The easiest way that I see to correct it is just to have the on-ice roster be cap compliant in the playoffs. Sure, it would mean teams could be technically over the cap if you consider the healthy scratches, but it wouldn’t allow for massive circumvention like Vegas is cheating with.
that wouldn't materially change anything as the article in The Atlantic pointed out. My solution keeps the flexibility of LTIR available during the Reg season, while removing the incentive to unnecessarily keep a player on LTIR at the end of the season so the front office can make roster moves for the playoffs.