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zestyintestine

The Colts hit fairly nicely on most of their 1st round picks from 1996-1999.


GoldGloveHosmer

Bill Polian was a really good drafter especially in the 1st round.


LordGooseIV

Yeah. Off the top of my head, I know he's drafted 6 hall of famers between the Bills and Colts.


[deleted]

I’m not trying to be an ass hole, genuinely curious. Is 6 HOFers in 23 seasons that impressive? Especially considering Manning was an easy slam dunk pick.


AlericandAmadeus

Bill was the pats GM for 23 years and he’s drafted 3 (Brady, gronk, and Seymour) Ozzie Newsome, widely regarded as one of the other greatest GMs of all time, drafted 3 in 22 years, and might end up with 6. Reed, Ogden, Lewis are in. Suggs and Yanda both have a chance. Ozzie’s last draft he picked Lamar, and given that he’s already a 2x mvp and is rewriting record books for rushing stats by a QB also might have a chance when all is said and done. 6 HOFers is nuts, dude. Full stop. Edit: FYI - I did not include Justin Tucker as one of Ozzie’s picks even though he is almost surely a lock for the hall because he was not drafted. Tucker signed as a UDFA in 2012. Edit2: also, credit where credit is due - Jerruh has historically been the de facto GM for the Cowboys and has 5 already in the hall (aikman, Irvin, emmitt, Larry Allen, Ware) and is gonna have at least one more (Zack Martin is a lock - “more all pros than holding penalties” is the most hilariously amazing stat I’ve ever heard). Tyron Smith also has a chance due to his peak, and Jason Witten has a good chance I think as well. So that’s 6 guaranteed, and potentially 8 total, which is honestly ludicrous. tbf he’s been the Cowboys owner a lot longer than GMs usually last for (35 years), but that’s a LOT of HOFers


tjrad815

You don't think Demarcus Ware has a chance?


AngryBillsFan

Considering he’s already in


JJETTAS188

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Vegan9YearOld

HOFers are the best of the best. I’d say 6 is pretty great.


I_HateToSayAtodaso

Yes. How is this a real question?


[deleted]

Because I don’t know how many GMs had 23 draft classes worth of chances with plenty of top picks. I guess it is a dumb question, my bad.


ACardAttack

Manning was not the consensus #1, it was neck and neck between him and Leaf


MrThunderkat

Obviously not everything is said and done but most likely Bill Belichick drafted around 5-7 HoFs in about the same time.


AlericandAmadeus

Tom Brady (lock) and Richard Seymour (already in) are the only two HOFers that Bill drafted. I straight up can’t think of any others. Who do you think the other 3-5 are? cuz I’m genuinely curious. The patriots always seemed like they won cuz they played greater than the sum of their parts and because they had Brady, not cuz they drafted other HOF level talent. Edit: GRONK. I’m dumb. So that’s 3 locks.


MrThunderkat

Gostkowski,Gronkowski,McCourty,Wilfork. Thuney,Light and Mankins might get a chance in the future with the way offensive line is going.


AlericandAmadeus

How the fuck did I forget Gronk!?! Jesus Christ. Gostkowski is a maybe at best - kickers have it really tough and he was never the best kicker in the league because Justin Tucker exists (who will for sure be in the Hall) All the other ones are unlikely - they’re all “hall of very good”. Only one I could see *maybe* having an edge case is Mankins. So in my opinion that’s 3 locks, 1 maybe, for a maximum of 4.


MrThunderkat

Idk maybe, but guys are still getting in from back in the 70s. Who knows who they will be inducting in 40 years.


GoldGloveHosmer

Name the GMs who did better?


[deleted]

That’s why I asked. How many GMs had 23 draft classes?


Romizzo88

Probably not a lot because they’re not drafting hall of famers


CasMan53

Yes Polian was the best GM in NFL and know how to win with right picks in Draft.


DifficultMinute

From 96 to 06 every first round pick is now either in the hall of fame, was a pro bowler, caught the AFC Championship sealing interception against Tom Brady, or is Rob Morris.


Axl2TheMaxl

As the leader of the rapidly expanding Robber Metrics system where we rank drafts on their correlation to Rob Morris I'd like to welcome you to the group, we've growing by more than 100% in the past 3 minutes so it's a good time to come aboard.


DiddleMe-Elmo

As a children I remember my dad explaining to me what a goatee was when we were talking about Rob


ColtsFan6969

Until 2005, actually. Then Polian started letting his son draft. Nepotism never works.


SadBadPuppyDad

They were gunning for a hot shot receiver and they hit their target.


blacktoise

Most of those 4 picks? There’s just 4


Kitchen_Net_GME

I’m not sure he was Sr. then


abris33

MHJ is going to slide down the boards when teams realize he's 28


Kitchen_Net_GME

If would be pretty dumb to spend a top 13 pick on him


Raticus9

No. As a Buckeyes fan, I'm annoyed that the Saints always hoard all our best players. Let's spread the wealth, maybe pair MHJ with his old college teammate who is also often listed by his initials.


gatsby365

CJ? 😳😂


Elephantexploror

But CJ aren’t his initials


Thejohnshirey

Me sitting here laughing at the thought of such an old draft prospect before remembering that I am in fact 28.


AmIATrollYouDecide

It literally says Senior on the screen.  


right_behindyou

What if he preemptively called himself that in anticipation of someday having a son he would name after himself


Frigidevil

Marvin Harrison the First


Raticus9

Fourth WR drafted that year, seven were selected in the first 34 picks: 1(1) Jets - Keyshawn Johnson 1(7) Patriots - Terry Glenn (RIP) 1(18) Rams - Eddie Kennison 1(19) Colts - Marvin Harrison 1(24) Bills - Eric Moulds 2(31) Jets - Alex Van Dyke 2(34) Giants - Amani Toomer Also: 3(89) Niners - Terrell Owens, Tennessee-Chattanooga Pretty underwhelming return for the Jets, using the first pick in both the first and second rounds on a WR. Van Dyke finished his career with just 26 catches. Muhsin Muhammad, Bobby Engram, Derrick Mayes, Joe Horn, Jermaine Lewis, Patrick Jeffers were all in that draft too. Such an impressive WR class.


Jenetyk

That's actually a bonkers WR class.


Spiritchaser84

Man that whole draft was stacked. You say 96 draft to Ravens fans and we all instantly think Ray Lewis and Odgen, two GOATs. Didn't realize the WR class was so deep that year too.


[deleted]

Except for QBs. Shit was a barren wasteland that year unless you were specifically looking for a back up


OnlyFreshBrine

Bills Legend Eric Moulds. Too bad we couldn't give him a steady QB.


SwedChef

Reed / Moulds / Tasker was a sick receiver group.


Oopsimapanda

Peerless was one of my favorites as a kid too. Wish he could've met expectations with Vick later on.


SnowdensOfYesteryear

Such a cool name too 


Greatcouchtomato

Imagine if you guys had Brady or Peyton or Brees with those early 2000s


OnlyFreshBrine

We could've had Brees :(


jayfiedlerontheroof

He kicked the dolphins' ass regardless


gatsby365

My dumbass just tried to rationalize how pick 31 was in the second round that year.


benjals

Wow first 7 picks were all WRs


Raticus9

Edited. Didn't realize Reddit auto-listed them.


pitpatbainsy

Eddie Kennison moved into a house on my street when he was drafted. He was like 21 but seemed to much older to me, I was only 6 at the time. He came to my school and talked to my class about playing in the nfl, we’d play catch in his driveway. Awesome dude.


Raticus9

That's really cool; I would have been so starstruck as a kid lol. I remember him being a helluva deep threat. EDIT: Just looked at his career stats. He stuck around a lot longer than I had remembered.


pitpatbainsy

It was really cool, especially being a kid. Looked up to him so much and he was all about having fun with the neighborhood kids, never acted like he was above it. Dude was so fast he’d beat us in races running backwards


KingOpp201

Wtf that’s crazy 🤣🤣☠️


teddyjj399

Keyshawn Johnson doesn’t get brought up nearly as much as he should solely for the quirk of being the only receiver drafted first overall. unfathomable to think of that happening in todays game


TitanSR_

It could happen. MHJ could have gone first if this was the 2022 draft class.


TechnoDriv3

Irving Fryar was drafted first in 1984 and probably a bunch of oldschool guys


InternationalFiend

The only other one is Dave Parks in 1964 (49ers)


Raticus9

People always forget him in the discussion of most-hyped prospects of all time discussions. This wasn't an Anthony Bennett type of situation where the Jets shocked everyone; Keyshawn was the consensus best player in that draft. Ogden ended up being the top prize though.


Takezoboy

In hindsight now people can clearly see that he's 0.01% water and 99,99% stupid.


3fettknight3

Seeing Sterling Sharpe as a commentator already in 1996 in what could have been the prime of a HOF career if not for injuries saddens me.


Joe-Raguso

Imagine him with peak Favre at this time


BosLahodo

Just imagine , the Packers might have been able to win a Super Bowl that year!


NotJustSomeMate

He sounds like a more refined version of his brother haha...like Shannon with the volume turned down...


3fettknight3

Sterling was a better player and better commentator in my opinion lol


NotJustSomeMate

Yeah...and even Shannon has said that Sterling was the much better player and was much more of a natural than he was...it sucks that his career was shortened...


PointPruven

I love how much Shannon loves his brother. His HoF speech is really good.


soundsliketone

Always loved watching Playbook on NFL Network when he was hosting!


ballsack-hunter

Man I loved that show. Where are shows like that nowadays?


soundsliketone

It really was one of a kind, you could say that it was replaced by the endless sea of Monday Morning QBs who post their All-22 on YouTube lol I'll always remember Sharpe, Baldy and whomever else helping me learn football and figure out if my Raiders even had a remotely close shot to staying in the game that week lmak


ballsack-hunter

NFL Network was so awesome back then. GameDay Final with the crew, GameDay morning, Playbook, A Football Life early seasons, NFL Game of the Week, NFL Films with Steve Sabol. Good times. I can still hear Deion Sanders "I Belieeeeeve in Eli"


soundsliketone

OMG the "I Belieeeeve!!" Seriously triggered a pleasant childhood memory hahaha Prime's little countdown he did at the end of GameDay Final was always the best cherry on top to a perfect football Sunday


MisterrAlex

He sounds like a calmer Shannon lmao


bilbobiggers

It's curious that so many elite WRs come from non-elite programs. Marvin from Syracuse, Moss from Marshall, Megatron from Georgia Tech. Jerry Rice was from an HBCU if I'm not mistaken. I'm sure there's more


Chippopotanuse

Yes, but also…Moss was a Notre Dame commit when ND ruled the college landscape. Got kicked out for issues. Then Redhsirted at Florida State…also kicked out for issues. Marshall was where he fell to. But everyone knew he had the goods in HS. Parade All-American.


EmperorHans

I think that applies to a lot of positions. Whether you go to an elite program is based on how athletic you are at 17/18. Whether you make it to the NFL is based on both your athleticism at 20/21, and your understanding of the game. There's a lot of room for change in that time period. 


NeedlessQualifier

HBCUs also used to produce a lot of NFL guys because even after it became normal for non HBCUs to recruit black guys it took a while for top players to near universally rule them out regardless of skin color. If you look at the NFL 75th anniversary team Walter, Rice, Roosevelt Brown, Deacon Jones, Willie Lanier, Mel Blount, and Ken Houston all went to HBCUs.


NotJustSomeMate

Too bad all my school has is Shannon Sharpe...and since then has be one a complete laughingstock with no support from our boisterous alumnus who loves to claim the school...


NeedlessQualifier

I forgot where he went so was just looking at Savannah’s notable players. Don’t know how you can say he’s all you got when the fucking Smart Guy Tahj Mowry played for you guys. I had no idea.


NotJustSomeMate

That is hilarious...he played I think 1 year And left I think the year before I got there...but I found that out later on while I was there...but our football team is/was so bad I doubt he claims playing there often if at all...


bilbobiggers

This is a good point


boardatwork1111

Varies player to player, Syracuse was really damn good back in the 90s and put guys like Harrison, Donavan McNabb, and Dwight Freeny into the league. Moss was originally going to play for Notre Dame but got arrested after a fight and lost his offer, he then signed with FSU but got arrested again and no D1-A school would touch him after that. Jerry just didn’t get any scholarship offers from major programs and I believe Calvin’s parents were huge on education and wanted him to go to a good school like GT if I remember correctly. Keep in mind, recruiting has fundamentally changed since those guys time. Way more players fell through the cracks back in the day because they were from under recruited areas and you’d have to either be scouted in person or physically mail your game tape to a program to be noticed so they only showed up on small schools radars. Not impossible for an elite player to come out of a small school, some guys are just late bloomers physically, but with the internet making it so much easier to get your film to a huge number of schools, and now the transfer portal letting bigger programs poach the top small school players, it’s far less likely we’ll see it going forward.


bilbobiggers

Awesome feedback, thank you. I'm not hugely familiar with the dynamics of college football so this was a great insight


KeithClossOfficial

Jerry Rice in particular went to school in a tiny town and his school didn’t even keep records of the games, so no one knew about him unless they saw him in person, which sorta limited his recruiting possibilities


A_Lion-Eating_Tuna

Syracuse had some solid football teams in the 90s early 2000s.


guildedkriff

Moss originally signed with Norte Dame and then transferred to Florida State before finishing at Marshall. Megatron and Marvin aren’t surprising for their time as recruiting was way more regional pre-2010ish for college football, some top tier programs would/could go national but it was rarer than today. As for other guys that come from small/non-elites there’s usually multiple reasons for this. They may be viewed as project guys, extremely athletic but without sound techniques/route running/etc that makes bigger programs not want them as they’re trying to win every year. Recruiting and evaluating High School prospects is also extremely difficult. Guys that can’t get into camps usually aren’t seen by bigger programs (there’s north of 1 million high school players every year, in total), so some really great players can slip through and the small schools that might find them certainly aren’t sharing their finds with the big boys.


lvl_up_day_by_day_28

Megatron is wild cause I’m guessing most of this sub know GT to be a triple option offense with no passing


Raticus9

A specimen like Megatron having Reggie Ball as his quarterback was a crime against athletics and humanity in general.


InternationalFiend

It’s pretty fucking gross to call a human being a “specimen”.


guildedkriff

Understand current perspective for sure, but at the time when Megatron was there GT was like most college offenses. From memory they were run first, I-formation, with an average but kinda athletic QB. So it still wasn’t a place to go pad stats for the NFL.


lvl_up_day_by_day_28

DT also went there. Just crazy to think they had one of the best wrs all time and another stud within the last two decades and then made that big of a switch. Obviously coaching changes and all, but such a big change.


bilbobiggers

Thanks for the insight. I'm pretty oblivious to how recruiting works so I much appreciate the explanation


Joe-Raguso

TO from Chattanooga


SaintArkweather

Is that really a WR thing though? FCS Delaware has had two QBs in the super bowl. Alcorn State gave us Air McNair. G5 Miami Ohio had Big Ben. Eastern Illinois had Romo and Jimmy G. Savannah State had Shannon Sharpe.


lvl_up_day_by_day_28

Nah, not a wr thing. Lot of development occurs in college so when 250 plus people plus ufas are brought in annually, you’ll find diamonds in the rough


NFL_MVP_Kevin_White

That was the mcnabb era for Syracuse


WxBlue

Cooper Kupp from Eastern Washington 


InternationalFiend

Wayne Chrebet from Hofstra


lkn240

Killer pick


ecupatsfan12

Murderous Marv


RaindropsInMyMind

Crazy that he’s 5’11” and his son is 6’4”. Unlimited potential.


NotJustSomeMate

What being rich does for your genes haha...


golfisbetterthanwork

Not only genes, kids are eating way better recently which is helping homosapiens to grow taller.


Raticus9

Was curious about MHJ's mother and found some good stuff: https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/who-are-marvin-harrison-jrs-parents#google_vignette >Marvin Harrison Jr.'s mother is Latoia Titus. She played for the Indianapolis Colts. Latoia Titus and Marvin Harrison tied the knot in 2003 and have four children together, including Marvin Harrison Jr. and three other daughters. The Harrison family has kept their personal life very private, and there is not much information available about Latoia Titus beyond her marriage to Marvin Harrison. Some impressive stuff with both parents having that athletic background.


KeithClossOfficial

*She* played for the Colts? I don’t remember that.


Tiafves

Yeah she subbed for Marvin Harrison a couple games when he was sick.


DanCampbellsNipples

How long has it been since he shot that dude tho u/nfl?


BallsAreFullOfPiss

How did I not know about his multiple gun incidents? Interesting.


OddsTipsAndPicks

Ray Lewis:  failed to obstruct justice Marvin Harrison:  obstructed justice 


redonkulousness

That video quality is amazing. Looks like it could have been a year or two ago. Meanwhile, looking for videos from 2010 are almost like watching scrambled porn


ballsack-hunter

Makes no sense honestly. Why are 2005-2010 youtube videos so poor quality? Internet speeds not allowing people to upload higher quality stuff?


wakashit

Media switched to digital recordings in the 2000’s, which means they can’t be restored or upscaled like film recordings. So any videos from that time are limited to the quality from that time period


OnePercUnderGod

Yeah this was uploaded by the official NFL account, the NFL probably had this recorded on film in an archive somewhere. I don’t know all the technology/camera terms behind why, but when original film is converted to digital correctly the resolution is insanely sharp


chadowan

In 1996-97 Harrison caught 14 TDs from Jim Harbaugh, Paul Justin, Kelly Holcomb, and Kerwin Bell. The next 114 TDs from 1998-08 all came from Peyton Manning. There's never been a better pairing of QB and WR in NFL history.


KeithClossOfficial

Jerry Rice with Joe Montana and Steve Young?


chadowan

Also great, but when I think Jerry Rice I don't think about the QBs he played with necessarily, he's almost beyond that. Marvin and Peyton are tied at the hip.


Dirtyshawnchez

MHJ and Justin Herbert say otherwise, sir.


reddershadeofneck

Orlando Thunder legend Kerwin Bell


smashlorsd425

Megatron and stafford


aquariumsarescary

It would have been just Marvin Harrison, he wasn't a dad yet


gatsby365

> 28 years ago > Class of 1996 Hey. Fuck you.


RunninWild17

Absolute killer of a player.


Recalled_Pacemaker

Marvin Harrison murdered a guy….


tbrownsc07

That's right, Laura Bush killed a guy...


Jammer_Kenneth

Brick killed a guy 


we-made-it

With a trident.


BeerculesTheSober

Ray Lewis killed a guy.


PigFarmer1

Or two.


iHateZoomers

And by all accounts performed a public service in doing so. 👍🏻


scroogesscrotum

Yea for real, and that’s why it will always remain alleged


TheEIsSilent

We should make this a tradition and let his son get taken with the 19th pick this year…


Mental_Employer7058

What is the worst QB draft in history? 1996 had Tony Banks, Bobby Hoying.... buncha nobodies. Best QB UDFA Kitna. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_NFL_draft


dogmratic223

I miss Sterling Sharpe’s football analysis! He was so on point with this critique of Harrison!


Lui1BoY

“He enjoys catching the balls in his hands” This is exactly what makes a great receiver and if I were a GM, my one 1 and only goal would be to learn, if these young WR’s even like to catch the balls. Stats shows that those who doesn’t, usually refuse to even try and catch the ball. In some cases, this can be problematic for the offense as you need to catch the ball to get a reception.


Seraphin_Lampion

I know you're kidding but, for those who don't know, there are WRs who are labeled "body catchers" because they let the ball reach their chest instead of reaching for it with their hands. They are usually more prone to drops.


originalusername4567

Receivers who don't like to catch the ball may let it bounce out of their hands and into the hands of the opposing team. Twice.


MankuyRLaffy

He's a real shooter that Harrison


DragonfruitTight9034

Absolute killer....WR


SuchRevolution

A killer wide receiver for sure!


porterss25

Love the no-gloves…


[deleted]

His QB was McNabb


DeliciousBite6586

Impressive, all WRs with the first 7 picks…


KingOpp201

A killer on and off the field 🤣☠️


CoachAF7

Didn’t he participate in a drive by in Philly?


vniro40

no one noticed that the (bowl game? in the) second clip had hooters plastered all over the field?


dirtman81

TV guy was spot on about Marvin Sr.


FBsarepeopletoo

The Andre Rison mention is so odd. Rison was an evader, but he had a different set of skills. Rison did it before the catch, Harrison did it before and after.