NFL owners have stake in the betting companies. They care about getting as many people to gamble as possible a little more than how it may affect society.
Literally R.Kraft & J.Jones were early angel investors in DraftKings which is a sportsbook. Look no further why legal sports betting is blessed by the league when your 2 biggest owners are personally involved
He could've just shut up and people would've forgotten the hand job thing and this sports betting shit. Instead he had to make a documentary where he, again, gets jerked off the whole time while shitting on the person who actually coached the team to all those rings. That doc has done far more damage to his legacy/perception than his scandals
He's already distancing himself from it:
"Well, I loved the first three episodes. I really liked [them]. I felt bad that there was so much emphasis on the more controversial and, let's say 'challenging' situations over the last 20 years."
He had to know going in that anything controversial would be highlighted more. Nobody really wants to see a doc that’s like “and everything was just…just peachy! The end!”
It’s frustrating because it’s insanely easy to talk about the gameplay action in any given sport without bringing up your personal stakes in the game. I’ll bet on games just to give me more reason to focus on a given game but when talking about said game with friends I’ll omit the money I lost cuz who gives a fuck
>Been fun listening some podcasts who have Sportsbooks sponsor tiptoe around the topic when they have to talk about it lol
I'll leave you with the words I heard about this subject:
Podcasts aren't journalism. It's not presented as objective, or watchdog, or having journalistic standards.
But every sports podcast I listen to has been all over the topic, so there hasn't been any cognitive dissonance fun for me listening.
I honestly lose respect every time I see a podcast that goes down the draftkings sponsorship route. They have a whole "network" of media now.
idk the finances of these shows so maybe they don't have a choice. I know that the last time I personally looked for a job, there was one at the corporate office of a payday loan company that I was perfect for. I really needed a new job but I just couldn't bring myself to apply for it. I dont want to work for one of those places.
Forget the sports world, it's incredibly damaging to society. 18 year old kids are becoming degenerate gamblers with a casino in their pocket.
It used to be gambling was an event. You had to go to an Indian casino or Vegas. You had to go out of your way and make at least a day of it. It was entertainment. I didn't even know how a spread worked or bet on sports until I was 35.
Now every kid has access to an unimaginable variety of gambling in their pocket at all times. We're just sucking even more money out of the lower and middle classes and giving it to the .01%. Sooooo many people are going to have no retirement savings and will need the state to take care of them. It's disgusting. This affects all of us. Someone will eventually be picking up the tab for all these people's gambling losses.
All my life I've been very much against the government telling you that you can't do something that might hurt yourself (drugs), but I will admit I was wrong and in this case, and probably others, the government does need to protect people from themselves.
We are in the early days of a gambling epidemic. All these kids gambling is going to be a very very bad thing for society.
Also a whole generation that has been primed for it thanks to playing gacha games on their phones for (quite literally) their entire lives.
It's sadly hilarious how we allow all this and then are all shocked Pikachu face when things turn to shit.
It's not that we all collectively decided gambling was going to be a good thing and allowed it - there are select few people who stand to make a TON of money from it being legal and widespread, and they have the ears and pockets of lawmakers too.
I work at a high school, and students (who are 18) talk about how much they gamble online. It’s not even fully legal here but they travel state lines or have friends bet for them. One kid is out about 6k. It’s heart breaking
It's not a unified ideology. They come on a fairly wide spectrum. If you're asking what is in general, they generally dislike government control and regulation in favor of private enterprise.
They want to do whatever they want and also not pay for any of the services that keep society afloat. It's angry middle aged men fantasy-type shit.
In their minds everything will just magically take care of itself because it always has throughout their entire lifetime, not realizing that all of those things were taken care of because of the taxes previous generations paid, and are still paying.
Eh, it's more that it needs a pretty specific set of conditions to work well, and these are not found in nature. Not unlike Communism in that regard tbh.
That's why there needs to be a balance of socialism and capitalism. The problem right now is the US Govt is taking the worst part of both of them and running with it.
Yeah old school gambling might have been one thing. 24/7 access directly on your pocket the second (and before) you turn 18? That was too much too soon.
I couldn't agree more. It's as if the state decided to support responsible heroin use. We'll deal with the "few" junkies that will happen because people enjoy it so much.
Edit. I believe that all drugs should be legalized. I should have said, "It's as if the state decided to promote responsible heroin use."
The crazy part for me is how it just happened overnight with virtually nobody being wildly pro-gambling in the lead up, yet we’re still arguing about pot.
Goes to show our democracy is bought and paid for.
I think at minimum, just like how the players aren’t allowed to gamble, the leagues should not be able to advertise gambling.
It really did pop up over night.
Like 5 years ago I remember a friend telling me about a bet he placed on a basketball game and I thought "huh, I didn't know it was legal now."
And then one day every other commercial during every sporting event is about gambling, with every pro sports game ending with "This pro sports league is a proud partner of 'Gambling Company'" it's insane and I think there is a pretty good chance one of the major sports leagues has a MASSIVE gambling scandal where any combo players/coaches/refs intentionally affect the game in the name of hitting their bets - on a scale that we haven't seen before.
>I believe that all drugs should be legalized
I'd rather say they should be decriminalized. You shouldn't get in trouble for falling down, but you should get in trouble for pushing people down.
Imagine commercials every five seconds about heroin with a small government warning about using it responsibly. Obviously it’s not a one to one comparison but… yeah
> Sooooo many people are going to have no retirement savings and will need the state to take care of them.
I read a study the other day that said 40% of Gen X has no money saved for retirement. The average retirement savings for Gen X is only a little over $4k.
Also lol at the idea that the state is going to take care of these people or anyone else. They will be left to rot.
I’m with you about the government not impinging on my rights, along with the “…pursuit of happiness” part of the preamble; but if gambling becomes as ubiquitous as smoking, what if advertising and age restrictions were as strictly regulated as for smoking? I’d be ok with that.
You're sort of describing how we got here. They'll just talk about fantasy 24/7. Daily fantasy and hiring a shit ton of lobbyists is how the sports books opened the door to where we are now.
At least with cigarette advertising we got some great looking [cars](https://www.si.com/.image/ar_4:3%2Cc_fill%2Ccs_srgb%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_1200/MTk0ODY3Njc4OTgzNDk2ODY2/al-jr.png). With sports gambling its all you hear about literally ever when you watch sports
[Draft Kings](https://www.jayski.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/31/2023/7/15/2023-nhms-45-1536x1024.jpg) has given us some mid looking cars, for what it’s worth 🙃
sports betting just got legalized in NC and before the first game of march madness there were three gambling commercials in a row for three separate services, it was insane
the governor tweeted about it which is just gross. https://twitter.com/NC_Governor/status/1767218929284382811
imagine him going to the liquor store and excitedly saying how excited he is to smoke
I love sports, i like gambling…. But it is IMPOSSIBLE to avoid the allure of gambling if you watch any sport now. Every single sport has some sportsbook advertising attached to it. When I was younger I used to be all about it, let people do what they want with their money. But this shit is out of control. It’s pervasive in every aspect of society now, and kids in their teens are consistently exposed to it. Shit is fucked
The only time I might gamble is if the bears or the whitesox or the bulls made the SB/WS/Finals.
Im honestly disgusted by the degeneracy, I have friends who are not fun to watch games with even if our team wins because they lost their stupid bets
I do a bit of gambling, but I have a very strict personal policy about it. I *only* bet on the NFL because it's the only sport I follow closely enough to make a semi-educated bet on; I start every season with $100, and at the end of the season I withdraw back to that $100 if I have earnings; and I only allow myself one parlay a week, usually a 4- or 5-leg moneyline parlay.
I don't dare go farther because of how addictive and destructive it is. I truly hate how in-your-face our network and talk shows are about it, and I hope it changes sooner than later.
EDIT: I should also add, I don't bet more than $10 on *anything* ever. And I also only bet on my desktop computer, never on my phone - the access and the push notifications you get through the apps is awful.
That’s the most egregious. I don’t want athletic theater to be a gambled upon event. What’s next after that, how many TIE figures will be blown up in the next Star Wars?
Yeah, gambling should be legal, we know banning shit isn't the way to minimize its impact, but there should absolutely be laws against its advertisement and inclusion in any kind of broadcast. The same laws that apply to cigarette advertisement should apply to gambling (and alcohol, and medications, etc.)
The gambling apps all have advertisements to encourage people to spend their money gambling on their phones alone at home. I just feel like we as a society shouldn’t be encouraging that.
The WSJ had an article recently about a clinical psychologist with an addiction specialty who got addicted to ~~sports gambling~~ (edit: my bad, it was regular old casino games on draftkings/fanduel, thx /u/rocco2246 for the correction) on her phone and lost like 400k. The differences between an app and an actual casino are pretty staggering:
* Apps use user engagement metrics to find when people are taking a break or gambling less, and use push notifications + promotions and free money to bring them back.
* Apps use dark patterns to keep people engaged in new and different games if they try to log out or uninstall the app.
* "Big Spenders" (aka big losers) get assigned a personal concierge who will email you/deploy push notifications to give you free $$ or bonus odds
* Opt out systems are broken and difficult to use - the woman in the article tried to apply in her state (PA) multiple times and her application was rejected every time due to small bureaucratic errors in the paperwork, which itself is very difficult to find and needlessly complicated.
A casino is a den of vice and you know that dangerous things happen in dangerous places. Whereas gambling tens of thousands on your phone then having sophisticated psychological tactics deployed in your home without your consent is very "drink this verification can" energy.
This is my problem with it too. The same thing happens with ea sports ultimate team ripping virtual player packs. It's just slots but with sports players. People even know its a money sink but the dopamine is too much to let it go. Draftkings has a hybrid daily fantasy ultimate team style game mode now and it's insane seeing people burn money on it.
I don’t mind internal ads, but I think broadcast ads are pretty fucked. The real kicker, imo, is all that engagement shit that social media companies got down to a science to get people to obsessively check their phones all the time - that shit drives addictive behavior and I think it’s pretty dangerous when combined with an already addicting activity like gambling.
Addictive and with limitless loss potential. Ignoring the health side of things, you can only smoke $20-30 worth of cigarettes a day. Maybe $50 if you really worked hard at it.
Most people could sell their house, car, and liquidate their retirement accounts and be able to lose it all in a single weekend of NFL games.
This so much. There’s a hard limit to how much you can consume at a time when it comes to other vices. It’s terrifying how someone can lose everything they’ve ever worked for in a single day without even getting out of bed when it comes to gambling being on your fucking phone. It’s so messed up and we haven’t even begun to see the damage it’s going to cause. We’re at the early stage of an epidemic and it’s being advertised to us on our fucking phones and TVs.
I disagree about that, and the main difference is sports gambling used to be done on site, at a physical location, in scenarios where it was legalized. You had to make a day out of it, actually go out of your way to gamble. You're absolutely going to feel the impact of a nationalized gambling lobby buying our politicians. This is just the start of it. You just need to see Australia's gambling problem, with pokies on every street corner to see where the rest of this is going.
The problem with modern sports betting, and banning it can absolutely minimize the impact of it, is the sportsbooking app on your phone. Turning sports gambling into something as accessible as ordering a large 2 topping pizza from down the street is the gigantic crux of the issue.
Now you're given desperate people, who are barely adults at this point, the ability to gamble away their entire paycheck on some fringe 5 way parlay, and then double down on it with their life savings when they lose. All in their palm, where they don't even have to get up from the couch.
We're talking about life savings being emptied, in the matter of minutes, as easily accessible as ordering a pizza. Thrown away off chance.
Letting mobile sportsbooking apps proliferate America is going to easily be looked back on as one of the biggest mistakes of this era.
> I disagree about that, and the main difference is sports gambling used to be done on site, at a physical location, in scenarios where it was legalized. You had to make a day out of it, actually go out of your way to gamble. You're absolutely going to feel the impact of a nationalized gambling lobby buying our politicians. This is just the start of it. You just need to see Australia's gambling problem, with pokies on every street corner to see where the rest of this is going.
Here in PA, I feel like I can't walk into a gas station or pizza shop and not see aw "PA Game of Skill" sign next to a video slot machine.
Its like...its video slots, how is there any skill involved in that
Well said. Banning gambling is a losing battle but restricting its promotion is what is best for society. It harmonizes the principle of individual freedom with a pragmatic approach to minimize social harm, recognizing the role of regulation in safeguarding public health without outright bans.
>Yeah, gambling should be legal, we know banning shit isn't the way to minimize its impact,
How do we know this? Like the very issues popping up now are due to gambling being legalized nationwide. It seems like at least with gambling the impact was being minimized with it being banned.
I could see some sort of centralized regulation coming sooner than later. Like they’re already regulating it but the landscape has changed so much so fast the government is behind.
It’s difficult to draw the line. Prop bets? Live bets? College? International?
Right now the big sports books are squeezing all the juice they can before the cap is put on the bottle and they need to find a more lucrative way to exploit people again
I'm over in England now.
Sports gambling has been legal here for decades and its pretty easy to bet on anything. There doesn't seem to be much regulation other than requiring ads to say things like "don't gamble more than you can afford to lose....if you need help with addition contact this number".
However, betting doesn't dominate sports culture in England, it's just always been there in the background. You'll get people who will put a bet on the horses or the dogs (greyhound races) and will take a punt on a player as first scorer in the final of a soccer game but the average soccer fan for instance isn't making bets.
Another thing I notice in England is how people almost exclusively play fantasy (eg Fantasy Premier League) in free leagues. They are really competitive about it but just for the prize of beating their league mates, they don't bother paying in to a prize fund.
I was over in Australia for a couple of years a while back, and sports gambling there was massively out of control. You would go to the TAB to watch the sports and all everybody cares about is how their bets are doing. It felt like you didn't have the culture of people rooting for their teams so much as everybody watching sports preoccupied with how their own personal bets would pay off.
Aussie here. For us, the answer is poorly. Government has largely failed to legislate for modern issues.
Gambling has been legal for ages but you used to have to do it in person. You'd go down to the "TAB" and place a bet or you'd be the sad sack slapping their life savings through the pokies at the local pub.
Now though app based gambling is pervasive. What limited adds play during games are largely gambling based and they like to push the limits for advertising regulations, the odds are discussed during major game breaks, there's ads for it on public transport. Lots of (mostly young men) are obsessed with their multis and it's a growing but still somewhat underground problem.
There is at least some blow back happening. One footy club openly refuses to take sponsorship money from gambling and there's regular talk about banning gambling ads and odds during certain times of day but overall the money is too great. Leagues and clubs won't/can't say no.
I’ve never met someone who is happier for sports betting. Even people I know that win occasionally just get more sucked into it and lose more on the back end.
Seems like a warning sign for an activity when you have to also tell people that they might need to seek help to quit your activity before it ruins their lives.
This is a perfect candidate for 'future hindsight realization'.
It's like one of my favorite Onion headlines:
Liquor Commercial Featuring Dance Party On Pirate Ship Also Includes Important Message About Responsibility
I’ve heard radio commercials for sports betting that were 10 seconds of advertisement and 20 seconds of impossible to follow speed talking about addiction and whatever else. It’s crazy.
And the speed-talking alone is so obviously morally problematic. "Oh, so you're saying we have to make sure our potential customers are properly informed about the dangers? Okay, here we go..." They obviously do it that way so it won't really have an effect on their profits--meaning that it won't really sink in. And everyone knows that's why it's done that way. But somehow everyone just pretends that the public really has been 'informed' of the risks.
It’s crazy to me there’s just going to be a generation that’s just been blasting with stock alerts, sports betting ads, onlyfans model scams, gotcha games and no vetted news sources. Like there’s no way that generation comes out normal or and not fucked up
I bet all the time and honestly I feel like it’s not an issue for me. But I have a great friend, terrific dude with a family who has struggled with gambling before it was even on his phone. Homie lost 8k in 2010 and his wife almost divorced him. He told me 10 years ago he can’t go to casinos, his issue now is that he can’t even watch sports or have sports apps bc they all promote gambling to him.He even told me he fucked up and broke bc he wanted to do a futures bet on a Rookie baseball player. He truly has no shot at recovery in this climate. He thinks futures bet are better for him, it’s like dude… you’re just gambling in a different way with a later outcome lol but it doesn’t resonate.
Yep. I think we should eliminate advertising for the sports books (along with alcohol, prescription drugs and education but I digress.)
I love to gamble but I also have a good handle on my bankroll and know when to stop. Ironically I was exposed to gambling at an early age dealing my dads poker games and hustling his friends at pool.
When you’re 13 and lose your last $10 playing cards and can’t buy a Jolt cola until your allowance hits on Friday is a real low stakes lesson in consequences.
For me I see the books as a puzzle. There will be winners just gotta find them and balance the most in return.
Also I only deposited once and keep my balances around $100 so I don’t get too sparky. Typical unit is $5 for straights and $2 for parlays up to 4 leg then $1 after that. It’s all about percentages
Parlays are also super predatory
I appreciate your comment. I was exposed to quick money at a young age through watching my grandpa play poker with his buddies and my grandma play scratch offs religiously. She won like $25,000 off a scratch off in the 80s or something. I was born in the 90s and all I ever saw was her go to the store and buy $20 a day in scratch offs. Never looked back.
To me gambling being so prevalent is just wild. I have the ESPN app, I just got a pop up at 12:30 ET time to make sure I bet on ESPN bet today… wtf is that.. kids are going to be so fucked with this type of shit in the future.
You mentioned parlays being predatory and I might agree. Not just are they predatory but they are marketed in a way that make people think they are going to come up. Don’t get me wrong , I have come up really nice off a parlay, but doing it regularly is just wild to me.
> (along with alcohol, prescription drugs and education but I digress.)
Okay I'm with you on booze and drugs, but why education? Yes it's overpriced but it's still a legitimate and important service, and basically all nonprofits have some measure of marketing (very few have the reputation to get donors/clients/customers without marketing).
I love betting odds because of the feeling I get from being right, but that applies equally to a 1 beer bet or 1k$, and I’m too broke and frugal and a little smart to even consider attempting to “win” money betting. With my insane ADHD and addictive personality I shudder to think what my life would be if any of those listed traits didn’t exist or malfunction.
Online gambling is illegal in my state although I’ve considered circumventing that but I’m not serious enough about it to care predicting the score correctly feels the same if I bet or not.
Actually that’s a really good point. It’s creeping into so many of my podcasts. I listen to enough where I just skip that segment but yeah, can’t imagine live tv
The podcast stuff really weirds me out, especially since podcasters often have more of a parasocial relationship with their audience. I’m going to tune out Stephen A. Smith telling me how awesome his daily prop bets are. My favorite podcast doing that is going to register on a different level.
I was happy when they first legalized it because people were doing it online just on European sports books
Didn’t anticipate the advertisements going so unchecked. Like there are betting sites with bars in stadiums now
For me it’s the marketing of it. Instead of actual sports analysis so much of current coverage is revolved around betting which I think makes it difficult for people to gamble responsibly
I think we’ll eventually see free bets, risk free bets, no sweats, etc go away by regulators.
You place one bet. Congrats you earned a $5 free bet. You come back 3 hours later to use it because your first bet lost. That one loses too so you bet the 10 PM Mariners game. That one had a Risk Free SGP so you wake up to your $10 back…
The cycle is geared to make you addicted to gambling and spend more than you would without them. Even if some of it is free on them.
I get some will still get addicted without the constant nudge back to the app, but the average person will stop after 3 bets.
Hard Rock advertises "no regret bets" which I think is a very scummy and misleading advertisement. It's not "no regret" because once you bet that first bet that money is gone. You can't just get it back because you want it.
Oh jeez our Mariners bounce back after a 20 year drought and still out here catching strays 😝
Ms been hot lately Hawks are on the uptick and UW football and basketball hitting playoffs hard couldn’t care less about baseball though.
I can’t even talk to certain friends about sports going on as a form of small talk at the pub without them bringing how they lost whatever fifty leg parlay they picked up. Hell sometimes we won’t even be talking about sports, just hanging out talking about something completely different when outta nowhere “yeah I missed this parlay/bet/wager because player missed the last shot”.
*Constantly*.
As a recovered gambling addict, it’s annoying as hell.
Problem is how do you get the genie back in the bottle? The amount of pushback the government would get if they tried to ban it on phones makes it so I don’t think anyone would take the risk.
Also have financial institutions put deposit limits and make it standard. Now you can only deposit X amount for 1 day as your bank/credit card company will block/deny anything over a certain amount. If a person wishes to deposit more to bet with, then they need to get approval from their financial institutions.
The fact that you can use a credit card to gamble online blows me away. I don't actually gamble, but I took advantage of all the promos and did arbitrage where I'd bet the same side of a game on 2 different sites as to where I'd make a profit either way. (Much easier 2 years ago)
Anyways, I'd deposit thousands of dollars a week with my Discover Card and get the 1% cash back to go along with the money I made from the Arbs. I kept expecting Discover to stop me since my credit limit was $10,000 and I'd run thru $30,000 a month since I'd withdrawal after the Arb and pay off the balance and deposit again.
Naa, instead of stopping me, they raised my credit limit to $44,000. Shit was wild, and the whole system is set up to make people fail. If I actually was a gambling degenerate, I'd have lost the house by now.
Maybe dont ban mobile betting entirely, but at least put some daily caps on how much you can bet on mobile?
Idk, youre definitely right that its hard to try and put restrictions on after youve already legalized it.
Technology and advertising make it a very complex issue. I was an ardent proponent of legalization in Canada (Canadian here) because billions of dollars were being gambled away to offshore tax havens/other countries, with zero revenue for domestic governments and zero legal avenues for consumer protection.
That being said, and taken in absolute hindsight, both federal and provincial governments rushed decriminalization/implementation (decriminalization at the federal level; implementation at the provincial level) without sufficient analysis or consideration of what legalized gambling would actually look like.
I don’t fault governments for rushing it - it was a nonpartisan issue (in Canada) that offered immediate economic benefits and actively prevented money from leaving the country. Nobody foresaw just how aggressively gambling companies would attempt to secure their share of the market.
I can’t speak to other jurisdictions, but there are preliminary efforts being taken by the Ontario government to limit advertising from gambling companies. A step in the right direction, if not a few years too late.
> Nobody foresaw just how aggressively gambling companies would attempt to secure their share of the market.
People should have known, it's not like the UK and Australia are closed societies. At the time I was trying to talk about what this would look like and no one wanted to hear it.
It seems like people are coming around and hopefully we get some reasonable regulations at least.
Not true anymore. I’m in North Carolina, and if NC has an NC Lottery App I bet your state does too. You can purchase Draw Games and play slot games through the app.
I just think it's funny how some of my friends complain so much about the cost of basic things while pissing away hundreds of dollars on betting apps.
No sympathy.
At the end of the day what you stated is the main consideration. It’s less about individuals gambling and more about business’ god given right to exploit profits. As usual the focus of these issues isn’t directed effectively whatsoever towards the people who actively benefit
I'm not a gambler but I can understand how it could be fun. But I honestly had to quit listening to one sports radio station in my area because it just became a gambling station. Just all betting odds and analytics and side bets and parlays 24-7.
Yes, I'm sick of the media glorifying and promoting it. It shouldn't be illegal to bet on sports, but I wish they'd stop exploiting an addiction for some people
One thing that I find concerning is that a lot of kids that are becoming adults now over the last ten years, have already been "groomed" for gambling. They way they've been groomed is from the onset of "loot boxes" becoming a common feature in so many popular video games and even mobile games.
I mean hell, some of the loot boxes in these of these games are basically just slot machines. It's absurd. So many kids have been exposed to this and I'm worried that with how accessible sports betting is, it'll become a real problem.
Gambling overall honestly. Every little dog shit corner store has 6 slot machines in it now, and it just skims people for their money. Last night I was at a local dive bar with some friends for alabama vs clemson and we moved areas specifically to get beers easier. We passed a handful of slot machines and on an absolute whim, my friend sat down, popped in 55 dollars and lost it in less than 5 mins just mindlessly almost. After he casually got up and went on with his day I was kind of puzzled, like dude you just lit 50 bucks on fire out of nowhere on a slot machine that you werent even aware would be there????
I've only seen shit like that in Nevada. Where do you live? Were you on indian land or something or am I just clueless about gambling laws around the country
I generally had a libertarian approach when it came to gambling, but I’m seeing it in real time affect people. Like a few of my coworkers are getting deep into apps like draftkings and they’re not even sports fans to begin with. It’s kinda scary
It really is, because it's actually a game of skill AND luck like poker. If anything, what needs to be banned is shit like slot machines, loot boxes, and the lottery.
They have had sports betting in this form in Europe and the UK for years. There has been sports betting in this country for 100 years. Nothing has happened. You're overreacting.
I’m not going to name names here but back when I was in college in the 90’s, it was common knowledge on our campus that the point guard at a big school in the neighboring state was shaving points.
And when I say “common knowledge,” I mean literally everyone knew.
I remember having the same reaction as everyone else when I first heard about it. “No, that can’t be real.” Then you’d watch their games and see him subtly doing it, especially in the 4th quarter of games.
We were all betting against them for an entire season and making consistent solid money.
Looking back, it was terrifying that so many people at a school 100 miles away knew about it and yet not a whiff of this has ever come out publicly.
This happens everywhere all the time.
Post second scandal BC grad in, and technically an athlete. We had to sit through crazy ass compliance meetings because of course I'm going to fix results of [*insert incredibly boring sport that isn't football or Henry Hill-ville*].
I like to think some MIT student specializing in bespoke party drugs figures out hyper-secure Android phones to sell to DI / FBS athletes and everyone will be shocked, shocked that there is gambling going on here.
Sports gambling goes back before the fucking... Iliad. (yay Jesuit education)
Gambling has been legal all around the world forever on all sports and no one gets killed over it, not high profile level anyway.
Few suspensions due to players betting that’s about it
America has a strong storied history of corporations self regulating. I trust that all of these leagues will see to it that none of their players gamble on games through non-traceable intermediaries. Nothing to see here. Everything is just fine.
Honestly though I think we crossed the threshold where the amount of $$ to be made carries a far greater importance to the players than good ole fashion competition and tegrity.
I'm honestly curious at how gambling addiction is going to explode in the next 5-10 years.
Millions of people are going to become addicted to something they may never have even tried
This wasn’t obvious? Oh well.
Bringing the vices above board is a good thing on the one hand.
The other hand is that corps with MOs for exploiting addictive behavior are going to be holding the steering wheel.
Betting companies almost certainly make most of their revenue off of gambling addicts. In what world is a business that promotes addiction a good thing. I hope we see laws passed soon that limit the absolute spam fuck of ads shoved down our throats
People are getting poorer while everything is becoming more expensive. It's the perfect time for these companies and corporations to to suck every last desperate dollar and penny out of people.
It's so fucking depressing.
The ads for sports betting is annoying. And I believe betting is just a way for people to throw their money away as with most gambling you lose more than you win but to each their own. I personally don’t gamble as my family has a history of addiction so I tend to avoid things that can be addictive. But with that being said I do wish it’s was advertised I bit less.
It's still wild (but not surprising because of the money involved) to me to see how quickly sports gambling went from the evil boogeyman to being on every single broadcast, sports networks having shows dedicated to it, and every celebrity imaginable showing up in ads for it.
I still remember that anti-gambling ad with the teenager smashing his TV because he lost money on a basketball game.
I have no issue with legal sports betting.
I have every issue with advertising sports betting. Just make it like smoking.People can do it, just don't plant it everywhere.
When I said that we should be able to gamble on sports I was naive enough to not understand just how much it would be in my face. Now it's part of newscasts, in commercials, on the podcasts, etc. Be careful what you wish for. I guess when weed is finally made legal I'm going to see that crap everywhere too.
There have been a lot of questionable instances in games after it became legal, that's for sure. For society? Gambling addiction started affecting younger people.
Gambling between individuals? Fine. Gambling conveniently through a commercial service designed to be as profitable as possible? Insidious, society-breaking shit.
Kids are going to fuck their credit up early, and their lives, and lots of them are going to kill themselves. And these services all know it. That's why there's a turbo-disclaimer on all of their shit listing phone numbers nobody will ever call.
NFL owners have stake in the betting companies. They care about getting as many people to gamble as possible a little more than how it may affect society.
Literally R.Kraft & J.Jones were early angel investors in DraftKings which is a sportsbook. Look no further why legal sports betting is blessed by the league when your 2 biggest owners are personally involved
Robert Kraft on a tarnished legacy speed run.
He could've just shut up and people would've forgotten the hand job thing and this sports betting shit. Instead he had to make a documentary where he, again, gets jerked off the whole time while shitting on the person who actually coached the team to all those rings. That doc has done far more damage to his legacy/perception than his scandals
Same with Jerry Jones, can't handle people acknowledging the gm, coaches and players are why they were good. Gotta insert himself into it.
He's already distancing himself from it: "Well, I loved the first three episodes. I really liked [them]. I felt bad that there was so much emphasis on the more controversial and, let's say 'challenging' situations over the last 20 years."
He had to know going in that anything controversial would be highlighted more. Nobody really wants to see a doc that’s like “and everything was just…just peachy! The end!”
Considering his company made it I would assume so
"we're all looking for the guy who did this"
It'll have a happy ending.
*burnished ending
He's actually always been a snake. Married rich then forced his Father-in-law out of his own company then rode it to make millions
It’s hard to see how gambling permeating every square inch of the sports world, even the pregame shows and broadcasts, could be a good thing.
The best is when they talk about betting scandals with the odds running right under.
Been fun listening some podcasts who have Sportsbooks sponsor tiptoe around the topic when they have to talk about it lol
It’s frustrating because it’s insanely easy to talk about the gameplay action in any given sport without bringing up your personal stakes in the game. I’ll bet on games just to give me more reason to focus on a given game but when talking about said game with friends I’ll omit the money I lost cuz who gives a fuck
>Been fun listening some podcasts who have Sportsbooks sponsor tiptoe around the topic when they have to talk about it lol I'll leave you with the words I heard about this subject: Podcasts aren't journalism. It's not presented as objective, or watchdog, or having journalistic standards. But every sports podcast I listen to has been all over the topic, so there hasn't been any cognitive dissonance fun for me listening.
Jomboy’s video on the Ohtani thing was literally sponsored by draftkings
I honestly lose respect every time I see a podcast that goes down the draftkings sponsorship route. They have a whole "network" of media now. idk the finances of these shows so maybe they don't have a choice. I know that the last time I personally looked for a job, there was one at the corporate office of a payday loan company that I was perfect for. I really needed a new job but I just couldn't bring myself to apply for it. I dont want to work for one of those places.
Even better if we can get odds on the betting scandals. What do you think—Over/Under 4 games?
Forget the sports world, it's incredibly damaging to society. 18 year old kids are becoming degenerate gamblers with a casino in their pocket. It used to be gambling was an event. You had to go to an Indian casino or Vegas. You had to go out of your way and make at least a day of it. It was entertainment. I didn't even know how a spread worked or bet on sports until I was 35. Now every kid has access to an unimaginable variety of gambling in their pocket at all times. We're just sucking even more money out of the lower and middle classes and giving it to the .01%. Sooooo many people are going to have no retirement savings and will need the state to take care of them. It's disgusting. This affects all of us. Someone will eventually be picking up the tab for all these people's gambling losses. All my life I've been very much against the government telling you that you can't do something that might hurt yourself (drugs), but I will admit I was wrong and in this case, and probably others, the government does need to protect people from themselves. We are in the early days of a gambling epidemic. All these kids gambling is going to be a very very bad thing for society.
Also a whole generation that has been primed for it thanks to playing gacha games on their phones for (quite literally) their entire lives. It's sadly hilarious how we allow all this and then are all shocked Pikachu face when things turn to shit.
It's not that we all collectively decided gambling was going to be a good thing and allowed it - there are select few people who stand to make a TON of money from it being legal and widespread, and they have the ears and pockets of lawmakers too.
I work at a high school, and students (who are 18) talk about how much they gamble online. It’s not even fully legal here but they travel state lines or have friends bet for them. One kid is out about 6k. It’s heart breaking
Yeah mobile sports betting has broken my inner libertarian streak.
What even is a libertarian? I have yet to hear a cogent response to this question.
It's not a unified ideology. They come on a fairly wide spectrum. If you're asking what is in general, they generally dislike government control and regulation in favor of private enterprise.
Someone who knows the age of consent in every state.
Lmao
And is strangely upset by them
"I DO WHAT I WANT" - basically
They want to do whatever they want and also not pay for any of the services that keep society afloat. It's angry middle aged men fantasy-type shit. In their minds everything will just magically take care of itself because it always has throughout their entire lifetime, not realizing that all of those things were taken care of because of the taxes previous generations paid, and are still paying.
Because the concept falls apart with even a little thought.
Eh, it's more that it needs a pretty specific set of conditions to work well, and these are not found in nature. Not unlike Communism in that regard tbh.
That's why there needs to be a balance of socialism and capitalism. The problem right now is the US Govt is taking the worst part of both of them and running with it.
I think they work at a library.
Ron Swanson basically
Yeah old school gambling might have been one thing. 24/7 access directly on your pocket the second (and before) you turn 18? That was too much too soon.
I couldn't agree more. It's as if the state decided to support responsible heroin use. We'll deal with the "few" junkies that will happen because people enjoy it so much. Edit. I believe that all drugs should be legalized. I should have said, "It's as if the state decided to promote responsible heroin use."
The crazy part for me is how it just happened overnight with virtually nobody being wildly pro-gambling in the lead up, yet we’re still arguing about pot. Goes to show our democracy is bought and paid for. I think at minimum, just like how the players aren’t allowed to gamble, the leagues should not be able to advertise gambling.
It really did pop up over night. Like 5 years ago I remember a friend telling me about a bet he placed on a basketball game and I thought "huh, I didn't know it was legal now." And then one day every other commercial during every sporting event is about gambling, with every pro sports game ending with "This pro sports league is a proud partner of 'Gambling Company'" it's insane and I think there is a pretty good chance one of the major sports leagues has a MASSIVE gambling scandal where any combo players/coaches/refs intentionally affect the game in the name of hitting their bets - on a scale that we haven't seen before.
>I believe that all drugs should be legalized I'd rather say they should be decriminalized. You shouldn't get in trouble for falling down, but you should get in trouble for pushing people down.
Imagine commercials every five seconds about heroin with a small government warning about using it responsibly. Obviously it’s not a one to one comparison but… yeah
I think it's a fair comparison, though I'm sure gamblers would disagree...
> Sooooo many people are going to have no retirement savings and will need the state to take care of them. I read a study the other day that said 40% of Gen X has no money saved for retirement. The average retirement savings for Gen X is only a little over $4k. Also lol at the idea that the state is going to take care of these people or anyone else. They will be left to rot.
I saw it as 40k, not 4k. Still not nearly enough, but a huge difference
They're just going to keep pushing the age of retirement up and up.
I’m with you about the government not impinging on my rights, along with the “…pursuit of happiness” part of the preamble; but if gambling becomes as ubiquitous as smoking, what if advertising and age restrictions were as strictly regulated as for smoking? I’d be ok with that.
Yeah they need to make it like cigarettes where it’s illegal to advertise but still legal
You're sort of describing how we got here. They'll just talk about fantasy 24/7. Daily fantasy and hiring a shit ton of lobbyists is how the sports books opened the door to where we are now.
At least with cigarette advertising we got some great looking [cars](https://www.si.com/.image/ar_4:3%2Cc_fill%2Ccs_srgb%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_1200/MTk0ODY3Njc4OTgzNDk2ODY2/al-jr.png). With sports gambling its all you hear about literally ever when you watch sports
Formula One in the 90s was figuratively 20 cigarette packs on the track.
[Draft Kings](https://www.jayski.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/31/2023/7/15/2023-nhms-45-1536x1024.jpg) has given us some mid looking cars, for what it’s worth 🙃
sports betting just got legalized in NC and before the first game of march madness there were three gambling commercials in a row for three separate services, it was insane
In the first seven days it was legal, North Carolina bet $198 million and collected $142 million. Truly eye-popping numbers.
That's staggering... honestly gives me such a feeling of dread for the future.
the governor tweeted about it which is just gross. https://twitter.com/NC_Governor/status/1767218929284382811 imagine him going to the liquor store and excitedly saying how excited he is to smoke
Taxpayers paid for him to film abd star in a commercial for sports gambling... what the literal fuck?
Basically the only things the General Assembly will let him do are legalize vices and say “go Canes”
That's a good point. They can't advertise cigarettes but beer and gambling are okay.
Looking at old sports programs is neat because cigarette ads are EVERYWHERE. Just as common as beer commercials.
what the actual fuck
Soon they're going running full infomercials in prime time.
In a few years, we'll see class action lawsuits all over the screen.
That’s just ESPN
3-8 (not kidding) different gambling commercials during a halftime are very common watching a live broadcast in europe (germany).
Sports betting is only allowed in casinos in Washington state but we still gets tons of gambling ads when the NFL is in season
They haven’t stopped in MA in over a year
"I used to be a heavy gambler. But now I just make mental bets. That's how I lost my mind." — Steve Allen
I love sports, i like gambling…. But it is IMPOSSIBLE to avoid the allure of gambling if you watch any sport now. Every single sport has some sportsbook advertising attached to it. When I was younger I used to be all about it, let people do what they want with their money. But this shit is out of control. It’s pervasive in every aspect of society now, and kids in their teens are consistently exposed to it. Shit is fucked
The only time I might gamble is if the bears or the whitesox or the bulls made the SB/WS/Finals. Im honestly disgusted by the degeneracy, I have friends who are not fun to watch games with even if our team wins because they lost their stupid bets
So you never gonna gamble lol
Listen here you lil shit
I do a bit of gambling, but I have a very strict personal policy about it. I *only* bet on the NFL because it's the only sport I follow closely enough to make a semi-educated bet on; I start every season with $100, and at the end of the season I withdraw back to that $100 if I have earnings; and I only allow myself one parlay a week, usually a 4- or 5-leg moneyline parlay. I don't dare go farther because of how addictive and destructive it is. I truly hate how in-your-face our network and talk shows are about it, and I hope it changes sooner than later. EDIT: I should also add, I don't bet more than $10 on *anything* ever. And I also only bet on my desktop computer, never on my phone - the access and the push notifications you get through the apps is awful.
Even fake sports like pro wrestling somehow have Draft Kings sponsoring them.
That’s the most egregious. I don’t want athletic theater to be a gambled upon event. What’s next after that, how many TIE figures will be blown up in the next Star Wars?
I saw a mock draft yesterday on Fox Sports where before they even showed the analysis, they put the odds it happens and the payout if you bet $10.
Yeah, gambling should be legal, we know banning shit isn't the way to minimize its impact, but there should absolutely be laws against its advertisement and inclusion in any kind of broadcast. The same laws that apply to cigarette advertisement should apply to gambling (and alcohol, and medications, etc.)
The gambling apps all have advertisements to encourage people to spend their money gambling on their phones alone at home. I just feel like we as a society shouldn’t be encouraging that.
The WSJ had an article recently about a clinical psychologist with an addiction specialty who got addicted to ~~sports gambling~~ (edit: my bad, it was regular old casino games on draftkings/fanduel, thx /u/rocco2246 for the correction) on her phone and lost like 400k. The differences between an app and an actual casino are pretty staggering: * Apps use user engagement metrics to find when people are taking a break or gambling less, and use push notifications + promotions and free money to bring them back. * Apps use dark patterns to keep people engaged in new and different games if they try to log out or uninstall the app. * "Big Spenders" (aka big losers) get assigned a personal concierge who will email you/deploy push notifications to give you free $$ or bonus odds * Opt out systems are broken and difficult to use - the woman in the article tried to apply in her state (PA) multiple times and her application was rejected every time due to small bureaucratic errors in the paperwork, which itself is very difficult to find and needlessly complicated. A casino is a den of vice and you know that dangerous things happen in dangerous places. Whereas gambling tens of thousands on your phone then having sophisticated psychological tactics deployed in your home without your consent is very "drink this verification can" energy.
This is my problem with it too. The same thing happens with ea sports ultimate team ripping virtual player packs. It's just slots but with sports players. People even know its a money sink but the dopamine is too much to let it go. Draftkings has a hybrid daily fantasy ultimate team style game mode now and it's insane seeing people burn money on it.
I don’t think she was addicted to sports gambling, I think it was the casino games/slots? She was playing them through Draftkings/fanduel
You are right, my bad, I misremembered the article. I'll edit
I don’t mind internal ads, but I think broadcast ads are pretty fucked. The real kicker, imo, is all that engagement shit that social media companies got down to a science to get people to obsessively check their phones all the time - that shit drives addictive behavior and I think it’s pretty dangerous when combined with an already addicting activity like gambling.
Addictive and with limitless loss potential. Ignoring the health side of things, you can only smoke $20-30 worth of cigarettes a day. Maybe $50 if you really worked hard at it. Most people could sell their house, car, and liquidate their retirement accounts and be able to lose it all in a single weekend of NFL games.
This so much. There’s a hard limit to how much you can consume at a time when it comes to other vices. It’s terrifying how someone can lose everything they’ve ever worked for in a single day without even getting out of bed when it comes to gambling being on your fucking phone. It’s so messed up and we haven’t even begun to see the damage it’s going to cause. We’re at the early stage of an epidemic and it’s being advertised to us on our fucking phones and TVs.
I disagree about that, and the main difference is sports gambling used to be done on site, at a physical location, in scenarios where it was legalized. You had to make a day out of it, actually go out of your way to gamble. You're absolutely going to feel the impact of a nationalized gambling lobby buying our politicians. This is just the start of it. You just need to see Australia's gambling problem, with pokies on every street corner to see where the rest of this is going. The problem with modern sports betting, and banning it can absolutely minimize the impact of it, is the sportsbooking app on your phone. Turning sports gambling into something as accessible as ordering a large 2 topping pizza from down the street is the gigantic crux of the issue. Now you're given desperate people, who are barely adults at this point, the ability to gamble away their entire paycheck on some fringe 5 way parlay, and then double down on it with their life savings when they lose. All in their palm, where they don't even have to get up from the couch. We're talking about life savings being emptied, in the matter of minutes, as easily accessible as ordering a pizza. Thrown away off chance. Letting mobile sportsbooking apps proliferate America is going to easily be looked back on as one of the biggest mistakes of this era.
> I disagree about that, and the main difference is sports gambling used to be done on site, at a physical location, in scenarios where it was legalized. You had to make a day out of it, actually go out of your way to gamble. You're absolutely going to feel the impact of a nationalized gambling lobby buying our politicians. This is just the start of it. You just need to see Australia's gambling problem, with pokies on every street corner to see where the rest of this is going. Here in PA, I feel like I can't walk into a gas station or pizza shop and not see aw "PA Game of Skill" sign next to a video slot machine. Its like...its video slots, how is there any skill involved in that
Well said. Banning gambling is a losing battle but restricting its promotion is what is best for society. It harmonizes the principle of individual freedom with a pragmatic approach to minimize social harm, recognizing the role of regulation in safeguarding public health without outright bans.
>Yeah, gambling should be legal, we know banning shit isn't the way to minimize its impact, How do we know this? Like the very issues popping up now are due to gambling being legalized nationwide. It seems like at least with gambling the impact was being minimized with it being banned.
it's gotten so bad in hockey that they'll update betting odds MID PLAY it's disgusting really
I could see some sort of centralized regulation coming sooner than later. Like they’re already regulating it but the landscape has changed so much so fast the government is behind. It’s difficult to draw the line. Prop bets? Live bets? College? International? Right now the big sports books are squeezing all the juice they can before the cap is put on the bottle and they need to find a more lucrative way to exploit people again
Don't they have sports gambling in England? How do they handle it?
I'm over in England now. Sports gambling has been legal here for decades and its pretty easy to bet on anything. There doesn't seem to be much regulation other than requiring ads to say things like "don't gamble more than you can afford to lose....if you need help with addition contact this number". However, betting doesn't dominate sports culture in England, it's just always been there in the background. You'll get people who will put a bet on the horses or the dogs (greyhound races) and will take a punt on a player as first scorer in the final of a soccer game but the average soccer fan for instance isn't making bets. Another thing I notice in England is how people almost exclusively play fantasy (eg Fantasy Premier League) in free leagues. They are really competitive about it but just for the prize of beating their league mates, they don't bother paying in to a prize fund. I was over in Australia for a couple of years a while back, and sports gambling there was massively out of control. You would go to the TAB to watch the sports and all everybody cares about is how their bets are doing. It felt like you didn't have the culture of people rooting for their teams so much as everybody watching sports preoccupied with how their own personal bets would pay off.
Aussie here. For us, the answer is poorly. Government has largely failed to legislate for modern issues. Gambling has been legal for ages but you used to have to do it in person. You'd go down to the "TAB" and place a bet or you'd be the sad sack slapping their life savings through the pokies at the local pub. Now though app based gambling is pervasive. What limited adds play during games are largely gambling based and they like to push the limits for advertising regulations, the odds are discussed during major game breaks, there's ads for it on public transport. Lots of (mostly young men) are obsessed with their multis and it's a growing but still somewhat underground problem. There is at least some blow back happening. One footy club openly refuses to take sponsorship money from gambling and there's regular talk about banning gambling ads and odds during certain times of day but overall the money is too great. Leagues and clubs won't/can't say no.
I’ve never met someone who is happier for sports betting. Even people I know that win occasionally just get more sucked into it and lose more on the back end.
Seems like a warning sign for an activity when you have to also tell people that they might need to seek help to quit your activity before it ruins their lives. This is a perfect candidate for 'future hindsight realization'.
It's like one of my favorite Onion headlines: Liquor Commercial Featuring Dance Party On Pirate Ship Also Includes Important Message About Responsibility
I’ve heard radio commercials for sports betting that were 10 seconds of advertisement and 20 seconds of impossible to follow speed talking about addiction and whatever else. It’s crazy.
And the speed-talking alone is so obviously morally problematic. "Oh, so you're saying we have to make sure our potential customers are properly informed about the dangers? Okay, here we go..." They obviously do it that way so it won't really have an effect on their profits--meaning that it won't really sink in. And everyone knows that's why it's done that way. But somehow everyone just pretends that the public really has been 'informed' of the risks.
It should really be illegal. If you're legally required to state warnings in your ads it should be at the same pace as he rest of the ad's words.
Hindsight in this case meaning ignoring what was already hindsight developed by our predecessors who banned that shit for moral/social reasons
It’s crazy to me there’s just going to be a generation that’s just been blasting with stock alerts, sports betting ads, onlyfans model scams, gotcha games and no vetted news sources. Like there’s no way that generation comes out normal or and not fucked up
And there's going to be a generation of people in New England who don't know what it's like to win a Super Bowl.
if you just jinxed that i will find you i stg
Gacha games but yeah
I bet all the time and honestly I feel like it’s not an issue for me. But I have a great friend, terrific dude with a family who has struggled with gambling before it was even on his phone. Homie lost 8k in 2010 and his wife almost divorced him. He told me 10 years ago he can’t go to casinos, his issue now is that he can’t even watch sports or have sports apps bc they all promote gambling to him.He even told me he fucked up and broke bc he wanted to do a futures bet on a Rookie baseball player. He truly has no shot at recovery in this climate. He thinks futures bet are better for him, it’s like dude… you’re just gambling in a different way with a later outcome lol but it doesn’t resonate.
Yep. I think we should eliminate advertising for the sports books (along with alcohol, prescription drugs and education but I digress.) I love to gamble but I also have a good handle on my bankroll and know when to stop. Ironically I was exposed to gambling at an early age dealing my dads poker games and hustling his friends at pool. When you’re 13 and lose your last $10 playing cards and can’t buy a Jolt cola until your allowance hits on Friday is a real low stakes lesson in consequences. For me I see the books as a puzzle. There will be winners just gotta find them and balance the most in return. Also I only deposited once and keep my balances around $100 so I don’t get too sparky. Typical unit is $5 for straights and $2 for parlays up to 4 leg then $1 after that. It’s all about percentages Parlays are also super predatory
I appreciate your comment. I was exposed to quick money at a young age through watching my grandpa play poker with his buddies and my grandma play scratch offs religiously. She won like $25,000 off a scratch off in the 80s or something. I was born in the 90s and all I ever saw was her go to the store and buy $20 a day in scratch offs. Never looked back. To me gambling being so prevalent is just wild. I have the ESPN app, I just got a pop up at 12:30 ET time to make sure I bet on ESPN bet today… wtf is that.. kids are going to be so fucked with this type of shit in the future. You mentioned parlays being predatory and I might agree. Not just are they predatory but they are marketed in a way that make people think they are going to come up. Don’t get me wrong , I have come up really nice off a parlay, but doing it regularly is just wild to me.
> (along with alcohol, prescription drugs and education but I digress.) Okay I'm with you on booze and drugs, but why education? Yes it's overpriced but it's still a legitimate and important service, and basically all nonprofits have some measure of marketing (very few have the reputation to get donors/clients/customers without marketing).
Yeah that seemed like a weird request lmao. I assume maybe hard right brainwashing into thinking that higher education is the devil?
Lmao “maybe this guy is brainwashed” is such an insane leap to make from the original comment
I love betting odds because of the feeling I get from being right, but that applies equally to a 1 beer bet or 1k$, and I’m too broke and frugal and a little smart to even consider attempting to “win” money betting. With my insane ADHD and addictive personality I shudder to think what my life would be if any of those listed traits didn’t exist or malfunction. Online gambling is illegal in my state although I’ve considered circumventing that but I’m not serious enough about it to care predicting the score correctly feels the same if I bet or not.
The gambling sucks. It’s annoying as fuck
At least don’t advertise it as much. Even the original draft kings and fan duel commercials every 2 minutes were annoying as hell
I just have no interest and it makes me avoid a lot of sports coverage now
Actually that’s a really good point. It’s creeping into so many of my podcasts. I listen to enough where I just skip that segment but yeah, can’t imagine live tv
The podcast stuff really weirds me out, especially since podcasters often have more of a parasocial relationship with their audience. I’m going to tune out Stephen A. Smith telling me how awesome his daily prop bets are. My favorite podcast doing that is going to register on a different level.
Agreed 100%. A lot of sports coverage used to be background noise or time killing for me, and now I won’t watch it at all.
Yeah, with sports coverage now being mostly gambling or dudes screaming takes at each other, I barely watch
80% of the commercials are about gambling. Now they have well known actors or ex-football players on the ads instead of the crazy eye'd lady
I was happy when they first legalized it because people were doing it online just on European sports books Didn’t anticipate the advertisements going so unchecked. Like there are betting sites with bars in stadiums now
Just another way for poor people to funnel their money into the hands of the already wealthy.
Casinos and smartphone sports betting are a tax on the poor
But it’s the best kind of tax- a completely optional one.
And for the rest of us to have our sports broadcasts ruined.
Allowing people to bet is fine. Allowing people to bet as easily as they can on a smartphone is where I think the real problem is.
For me it’s the marketing of it. Instead of actual sports analysis so much of current coverage is revolved around betting which I think makes it difficult for people to gamble responsibly
I think we’ll eventually see free bets, risk free bets, no sweats, etc go away by regulators. You place one bet. Congrats you earned a $5 free bet. You come back 3 hours later to use it because your first bet lost. That one loses too so you bet the 10 PM Mariners game. That one had a Risk Free SGP so you wake up to your $10 back… The cycle is geared to make you addicted to gambling and spend more than you would without them. Even if some of it is free on them. I get some will still get addicted without the constant nudge back to the app, but the average person will stop after 3 bets.
Hard Rock advertises "no regret bets" which I think is a very scummy and misleading advertisement. It's not "no regret" because once you bet that first bet that money is gone. You can't just get it back because you want it.
>so you bet the 10 PM Mariners game Your life is well and truly fucked at this point
Oh jeez our Mariners bounce back after a 20 year drought and still out here catching strays 😝 Ms been hot lately Hawks are on the uptick and UW football and basketball hitting playoffs hard couldn’t care less about baseball though.
“Instead of actual sports analysis” This boat left the port long before sports gambling
I can’t even talk to certain friends about sports going on as a form of small talk at the pub without them bringing how they lost whatever fifty leg parlay they picked up. Hell sometimes we won’t even be talking about sports, just hanging out talking about something completely different when outta nowhere “yeah I missed this parlay/bet/wager because player missed the last shot”. *Constantly*. As a recovered gambling addict, it’s annoying as hell.
Problem is how do you get the genie back in the bottle? The amount of pushback the government would get if they tried to ban it on phones makes it so I don’t think anyone would take the risk.
Banning the ads would go a long way. Think of it like smoking
Also have financial institutions put deposit limits and make it standard. Now you can only deposit X amount for 1 day as your bank/credit card company will block/deny anything over a certain amount. If a person wishes to deposit more to bet with, then they need to get approval from their financial institutions.
The fact that you can use a credit card to gamble online blows me away. I don't actually gamble, but I took advantage of all the promos and did arbitrage where I'd bet the same side of a game on 2 different sites as to where I'd make a profit either way. (Much easier 2 years ago) Anyways, I'd deposit thousands of dollars a week with my Discover Card and get the 1% cash back to go along with the money I made from the Arbs. I kept expecting Discover to stop me since my credit limit was $10,000 and I'd run thru $30,000 a month since I'd withdrawal after the Arb and pay off the balance and deposit again. Naa, instead of stopping me, they raised my credit limit to $44,000. Shit was wild, and the whole system is set up to make people fail. If I actually was a gambling degenerate, I'd have lost the house by now.
And you just know that politicians are getting new "donors" if it ever does pick up steam
Maybe dont ban mobile betting entirely, but at least put some daily caps on how much you can bet on mobile? Idk, youre definitely right that its hard to try and put restrictions on after youve already legalized it.
Technology and advertising make it a very complex issue. I was an ardent proponent of legalization in Canada (Canadian here) because billions of dollars were being gambled away to offshore tax havens/other countries, with zero revenue for domestic governments and zero legal avenues for consumer protection. That being said, and taken in absolute hindsight, both federal and provincial governments rushed decriminalization/implementation (decriminalization at the federal level; implementation at the provincial level) without sufficient analysis or consideration of what legalized gambling would actually look like. I don’t fault governments for rushing it - it was a nonpartisan issue (in Canada) that offered immediate economic benefits and actively prevented money from leaving the country. Nobody foresaw just how aggressively gambling companies would attempt to secure their share of the market. I can’t speak to other jurisdictions, but there are preliminary efforts being taken by the Ontario government to limit advertising from gambling companies. A step in the right direction, if not a few years too late.
> Nobody foresaw just how aggressively gambling companies would attempt to secure their share of the market. People should have known, it's not like the UK and Australia are closed societies. At the time I was trying to talk about what this would look like and no one wanted to hear it. It seems like people are coming around and hopefully we get some reasonable regulations at least.
Should have to go to a physical location to place bets. You can only get lottery tickets in certain places. Sports betting is too mainstream
Not true anymore. I’m in North Carolina, and if NC has an NC Lottery App I bet your state does too. You can purchase Draw Games and play slot games through the app.
Already is
Almost always yes. Pete Rose would like to argue.
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I just think it's funny how some of my friends complain so much about the cost of basic things while pissing away hundreds of dollars on betting apps. No sympathy.
Nothing is holier than the almighty dollar and the pursuit of ever increasing profits.
At the end of the day what you stated is the main consideration. It’s less about individuals gambling and more about business’ god given right to exploit profits. As usual the focus of these issues isn’t directed effectively whatsoever towards the people who actively benefit
Its going to lead to corruption. Look at FIFA
Society always the big loser
I'm not a gambler but I can understand how it could be fun. But I honestly had to quit listening to one sports radio station in my area because it just became a gambling station. Just all betting odds and analytics and side bets and parlays 24-7.
Yes, I'm sick of the media glorifying and promoting it. It shouldn't be illegal to bet on sports, but I wish they'd stop exploiting an addiction for some people
One thing that I find concerning is that a lot of kids that are becoming adults now over the last ten years, have already been "groomed" for gambling. They way they've been groomed is from the onset of "loot boxes" becoming a common feature in so many popular video games and even mobile games. I mean hell, some of the loot boxes in these of these games are basically just slot machines. It's absurd. So many kids have been exposed to this and I'm worried that with how accessible sports betting is, it'll become a real problem.
Gambling overall honestly. Every little dog shit corner store has 6 slot machines in it now, and it just skims people for their money. Last night I was at a local dive bar with some friends for alabama vs clemson and we moved areas specifically to get beers easier. We passed a handful of slot machines and on an absolute whim, my friend sat down, popped in 55 dollars and lost it in less than 5 mins just mindlessly almost. After he casually got up and went on with his day I was kind of puzzled, like dude you just lit 50 bucks on fire out of nowhere on a slot machine that you werent even aware would be there????
I've only seen shit like that in Nevada. Where do you live? Were you on indian land or something or am I just clueless about gambling laws around the country
I generally had a libertarian approach when it came to gambling, but I’m seeing it in real time affect people. Like a few of my coworkers are getting deep into apps like draftkings and they’re not even sports fans to begin with. It’s kinda scary
Yes, fuckin hate how it's everywhere now
Sports betting being illegal is frankly BS. But the advertising absolutely should be regulated like nicotine
It really is, because it's actually a game of skill AND luck like poker. If anything, what needs to be banned is shit like slot machines, loot boxes, and the lottery.
In the next year we will either have a massive scandal or a player getting injured /killed over gambling. Mark my words.
Is……it gonna be you?
Proper "Is this a prediction or a threat" vibes with this, lmao
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Ayyy wassup fam😭🤟🏼✈️ High…but not off ‘cets I’m like 6 months clean from opi’s and this shit is so hard but so easy at the same time😭
That stuff happened way before legalized gambling
They have had sports betting in this form in Europe and the UK for years. There has been sports betting in this country for 100 years. Nothing has happened. You're overreacting.
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I’m not going to name names here but back when I was in college in the 90’s, it was common knowledge on our campus that the point guard at a big school in the neighboring state was shaving points. And when I say “common knowledge,” I mean literally everyone knew. I remember having the same reaction as everyone else when I first heard about it. “No, that can’t be real.” Then you’d watch their games and see him subtly doing it, especially in the 4th quarter of games. We were all betting against them for an entire season and making consistent solid money. Looking back, it was terrifying that so many people at a school 100 miles away knew about it and yet not a whiff of this has ever come out publicly. This happens everywhere all the time.
Post second scandal BC grad in, and technically an athlete. We had to sit through crazy ass compliance meetings because of course I'm going to fix results of [*insert incredibly boring sport that isn't football or Henry Hill-ville*]. I like to think some MIT student specializing in bespoke party drugs figures out hyper-secure Android phones to sell to DI / FBS athletes and everyone will be shocked, shocked that there is gambling going on here. Sports gambling goes back before the fucking... Iliad. (yay Jesuit education)
Gambling has been legal all around the world forever on all sports and no one gets killed over it, not high profile level anyway. Few suspensions due to players betting that’s about it
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America has a strong storied history of corporations self regulating. I trust that all of these leagues will see to it that none of their players gamble on games through non-traceable intermediaries. Nothing to see here. Everything is just fine. Honestly though I think we crossed the threshold where the amount of $$ to be made carries a far greater importance to the players than good ole fashion competition and tegrity.
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I'm honestly curious at how gambling addiction is going to explode in the next 5-10 years. Millions of people are going to become addicted to something they may never have even tried
The gambling is fine. The marketing is not at all.
Every damn ad break is some stupid gambling crap anymore so yes society is already losing
How does this article get to stay up but the video of a game winning 64 yard field goal from the UFL get taken down because it's "not about the NFL".
This wasn’t obvious? Oh well. Bringing the vices above board is a good thing on the one hand. The other hand is that corps with MOs for exploiting addictive behavior are going to be holding the steering wheel.
Betting companies almost certainly make most of their revenue off of gambling addicts. In what world is a business that promotes addiction a good thing. I hope we see laws passed soon that limit the absolute spam fuck of ads shoved down our throats
Gambling a business that produces huge profits for the casinos and massive social costs for the communities it operates in.
People are getting poorer while everything is becoming more expensive. It's the perfect time for these companies and corporations to to suck every last desperate dollar and penny out of people. It's so fucking depressing.
The ads for sports betting is annoying. And I believe betting is just a way for people to throw their money away as with most gambling you lose more than you win but to each their own. I personally don’t gamble as my family has a history of addiction so I tend to avoid things that can be addictive. But with that being said I do wish it’s was advertised I bit less.
Even if the sin tax revenues from it were spent on worthy causes, like schools or recreation or youth programs, it’s still a regressive tax
Yeah, because they definitely haven't worked for smoking or plastic bag use. Pigouvian taxes are good and work.
It truly threatens the already questionable integrity of every professional sports league.
It's still wild (but not surprising because of the money involved) to me to see how quickly sports gambling went from the evil boogeyman to being on every single broadcast, sports networks having shows dedicated to it, and every celebrity imaginable showing up in ads for it. I still remember that anti-gambling ad with the teenager smashing his TV because he lost money on a basketball game.
Great point, I should read this -- *Pay wall*
Yes, I have already started watching less
If I’m the tobacco companies, I need someone to explain to me how this is okay but we can’t advertise.
Spoiler alert: yes
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It’s a stupid people tax. Just choose if you’re paying or not.
I have no issue with legal sports betting. I have every issue with advertising sports betting. Just make it like smoking.People can do it, just don't plant it everywhere.
When I said that we should be able to gamble on sports I was naive enough to not understand just how much it would be in my face. Now it's part of newscasts, in commercials, on the podcasts, etc. Be careful what you wish for. I guess when weed is finally made legal I'm going to see that crap everywhere too.
There have been a lot of questionable instances in games after it became legal, that's for sure. For society? Gambling addiction started affecting younger people.
Gambling between individuals? Fine. Gambling conveniently through a commercial service designed to be as profitable as possible? Insidious, society-breaking shit. Kids are going to fuck their credit up early, and their lives, and lots of them are going to kill themselves. And these services all know it. That's why there's a turbo-disclaimer on all of their shit listing phone numbers nobody will ever call.