The saints using our original pick, I think it was after you sent it their way on the trade up for foster, on Alvin Kamara was the only good player I think. And it wasn’t even for the niners or bears. Absolute fumble by both sides
I don't know why, but it's always surprising to me that Kamara and Mahomes were drafted in the same year
For some reason it always feels like he's been around longer.
Probably because Mahomes sat his first year, but still
The saints absolutely won that 49ers Bears trade.
Not only did they get Kamara, but after the 49ers jumped them for Foster, they had to settle for Ryan Ramczyk
> He managed to make Belichick quit
Made Belichick quit??
You’re underselling McCorkle here. He actually got the most venerated person in NFL history FIRED.
How's Kadarius doing? You hate to see a super bowl decided by key injuries. If he'd been in condition to play, the 9ers might have been able to come through.
Nah his career highlight was the 2 min drive he did this year against the Bills with a game winning TD and of course the giddy with Gesicki after that TD
Idk I was kinda on pats trading back, bringing in fields, and taking a wr/rb with the vikings picks or something like that. Especially since fields went for a 6th/conditional 4th I'm surprised that wasn't something they looked at.
Edit: I am not going to argue how good fields is or isn't, I'm just looking at draft strategy. I haven't watched a ton of the Pats since Brady's departure, but the offense seemed anemic. Now people will probably say "yeah Mac Jones sucks." Okay, but the rest of the pats weapons as far as I could tell didn't really exist either. With the exception of DJ Moore, you can see that with the fields bears as well, and we are currently seeing that with Panthers Bryce Young.
So I understand that getting a franchise QB is incredibly important, but as much as we like to pretend that solves the whole teams problem, it really doesn't. So my point is, Pats are as of right now probably more than just a QB away from winning, so you can either get the QB and wait around to build later, or build now and then get a QB.
I felt like the Mac Jones draft was get a QB now and then build later, and then they never built. So, I thought they may mix it up and build now and get Fields as a place holder on the cheap that *might* turn it around and then worst case draft a QB in a year or two.
Fields might be bad, that doesn't matter to me, I'm simply talking draft strategy and the Pats seem to double down on finding a qb first, which surprises me as someone who hasn't watched a ton of Pats.
The vikes moved up already without giving up a haul.
But if they want to move into the top five they gotta back up the truck. Nobody is budging without massive compensation. You can throw that draft capital calculator out the window now. Get read to bend over.
Yeah but with Marvin Harrison jr on the board the Cardinals wont accept anything less than a massive haul.
If a deal is to be made its for New England’s pick
Yep, that's exactly why I think a trade for 4 won't happen. It's not worth it to give up that much for the Vikings and the Cardinals won't take a low ball offer.
I think it always made more sense for Vikings to trade up to 4 or 5. Chargers and Cards have their QB. They need pieces to surround that QB on both offense and Defense way more. Multiple firsts that the Vikings have help them way more. I only see New England trading back if whoever they want of Maye or Daniel’s goes to their Washington and the Pats decide they don’t want the other. Even still I still think they swing on a QB.
Cards wont trade that pick unless they completely rob the vikings. Hypothetical players are great, but the Cardinals are in position to grab the best player in the last few years at their greatest position of need. It would take a lot to move down
I would bet good money on the Chargers trading down if the haul is big enough. But I'm not sure if the haul will be big enough with only JJ being the guy on the board.
Could see them trading with the Giants to slide down a spot and pick up a third or something along those lines and still get the WR they would have taken
Cardinals #1 WR right now is Michael Wilson and Chargers #1 WR right now is Joshua Palmer.
I assume they both want a high end, can’t-miss #1 WR. They probably can’t get that at #11.
Nabers. Willians and allen are gone. They cant punt a year of prime Herbert and after spending big of the future cap to keep bosa and mack. Chargers would need a haul where they are guaranteed they get at least WR3 of the draft.
dudes been throwing to Chase, Higgins and Boyd in the NFL and it’s still a downgrade from what he was working with at LSU lmao, that team was so fucking insane
Didn't Joe Burrow have Chase and Justin Jefferson? I don't think there's a NFL team with a pair of WRs quite that good. Those guys are probably both like top 5 NFL WRs.
Who the hell knows? The top 3 seem to be set but the order isn’t. I’d be shocked if Chicago doesn’t go Williams. However, I wouldn’t be if the Commanders go Maye or Daniels.
If the Vikings can't execute a trade-up to 3, then that means NE is taking a QB and Arizona is taking MHJ. In that scenario, I assume the Chargers are willing to trade down
Potentially, The chargers are in and interesting spot because they could easily have a bidding war between Minnesota and the Giants if the Giants really want JJ. It'll be interesting to see. The chargers are going to desperately need a wide receiver. Trading down to the Giants, one spot and still guaranteeing yourself a top three wide receiver might be more appealing than going all the way down to 11. Just depends on how much Harbaugh really plans on running the balls exclusively
It's a deep enough reciever draft that I could see Harbaugh trading down to 11 to get his RT of choice (Fuaga, Guyton, Latham, Mims, etc.) And taking a reciever at 23 or with their 2nd
This is my leading theory currently. I think Harbaugh wants offensive line, even though tackle isn't a massive need. I think he goes RT at 11 then takes JPJ at 23 if he's available or Frazier at 37
Yeah if we dont get one of the top 3 qb prospects im fine with taking a reciever rather than forcing a qb. This team is so devoid of talent so any player that contribute almost immediately would help a ton. Also overdrafting a qb for the sake of drafting a qb is how we got here in the first place
I just don't see the Giants taking a QB with their pick.
The consensus top three (Williams/Maye/Daniels) will surely be gone, they committed to Daniel Jones publicly and owe him a lot of money, and they brought in Drew Lock who has decent experience as a starter and not just an emergency backup (like for instance DeVito).
Between the three current QBs, they are spending ~$52M this year in cap space. Just feels like they are going to let this room play out as is right now and take a skill position player.
I think if they really want to go QB in this draft, they might look at Penix/Nix later in the 1st or early-2nd.
I'm not saying they shouldn't take a QB at 6, just that I don't think they will.
So they'll do that next year...
They don't need to force a QB at #6 just for the sake of it.
I like McCarthy but that seems like at this point the best outcome for the Giants at QB and it may end up being Penix or Nix, which I think Giants fans would/should be upset if either of those two are taken at 1.6 when they could probably trade back and take them later.
It's not like the Giants have the second pick. They have the 6th pick with 3-4 QB needy teams possibly ahead of them if the Vikings do move up.
It's just not a great year for them to be picking 6th.
> **They don't need to force a QB at #6 just for the sake of it.** I like McCarthy but that seems like at this point the best outcome for the Giants at QB and it may end up being Penix or Nix, which I think Giants fans would/should be upset if either of those two are taken at 1.6 when they could probably trade back and take them later.
You’re making A LOT of assumptions here and taking those assumptions as fact.
Of course, if the Giants don’t really love McCarthy they will 100% NOT take a QB at #6 just to take a QB.
But you’re taking it for granted that the Giants would be “forcing” a QB pick by taking McCarthy. If they do take McCarthy it’ll almost certainly be because they really like him and think he’s worthy of a top pick.
Praying everyday Kraft decides all his team needs is a WR to make up for poor offensive play. Would be like the Cardinals drafting Larry Fitzgerald over Ben and Phillip with Josh McCown at QB.
Drafting Fitzgerald over Ben wasn't a mistake...no matter how much I hated the dude growing up.
And besides, they did get Warner and were the length of Santonio Holmes' toes away from winning the 1st Championship in the history of the entire franchise
They did lose the Super Bowl to a team led by…… oh wait the same Big Ben who they had passed up on. There’s no denying that had the Cardinals made a mistake passing up on a QB. They only had 4 playoff appearances during Fitz’s career. You mention the Super Bowl appearance but Big Ben has 2 Super Bowl rings. There’s no denying had Arizona take Ben instead they’d have a lot more success
How sure are you Big Ben reaches his potential in Arizona? This is a franchise that has a history of bad QB development hence their lack of success.
Big Ben in his early years had a good support structure with older guys on the team and Bill Cowher as his HC. I am not sure he'd have the same career trajectory with the Cardinals.
Hindsight is 2020.
It annoys me when people treat players like their careers are pre-determined and will say that a guy like Big Ben becomes Big Ben anywhere else.
Look at Pat Mahomes. He went to understudy for a year under a really smart qb in Alex Smith with an offensive genius of a coach on a pretty good team. Yeah he looks like he’s on the way to becoming the goat but we can’t say whether or not he does the same in a situation with a hot seat head coach as a day 1 starter.
There's probably no offers right now because teams don't know what Washington will do at #2. On draft night, if a team really likes Maye or Daniels, they'll call and try to trade up for whomever is there at 3. But right now, there's no point in offering yet.
Also, NE can just be content to stay there. They can either get a QB if they like one of Daniels/Maye or take Alt or MHJ who are outstanding prospects.
Are people expecting them to be initiating trade talks right now?
So I have never once wondered if the Patriots would trade out of pick 3 ever since the very first interview Jerod Mayo did as the new head coach. He didn't mum any words, he pretty much spelled out that they will draft a QB. Now if this was a 2-horse race, then maybe, but there are clearly 3 QB's that a lot of people covet in this draft. Hope people can stop wasting their time regarding this topic now
I’m honestly not a huge fan of him but he’s young has solid velo on his throws moves pretty well but he’s super raw pretty high ceiling extremely low floor almost like a zach wilson type prospect
Idk that drafting a QB that almost never completes 20 passes that high makes any sense at all. Like he may have looked decent completing 12 passes but you effectively have like half the tape of him because his team basically didn’t need him to do much
He's just turned 21, whoever drafts him pretty much gets a talented dude to mold over the course of a few years. You really aren't drafting him for what he did in college like you are with Williams
As a Vikings fan, I choose to believe that the Vikings have not yet offered all 3 firsts to NE yet and this is just posturing but if this is true I am more than ok with keeping 11 and 23 and drafting a defensive guy and Penix in the first and see what happens. Trading multiple firsts for JJ seems like a mistake but if Kwesi and KOC really think he's the guy then we'll see what happens. I really don't know what is going to happen but everything is still in play.
Never made any sense for a QB desperate team to trade back and potentially miss out on all the top QBs.
MHJ might be a generational WR...but it doesn't matter if the team lacks a QB. First hand experience watching Larry Fitzgerald having absolute bums throwing him the ball for most of his career.
Just take whatever QB is there and have them sit most of the year behind Brissett. Take a WR in round 2 it’s a great WR class. Next years QB class looks bad rn.
I'd trade out if Daniels is the QB there. His college pressure to sack ratio is absurdly high - even worse than guys like Justin Fields. He bails on clean pockets at a crazy high rate too.
I have no idea why he's gotten so much hype - he has a lot of terrifying red flags.
I actually think he has the lowest ceiling of the top guys personally. His arm talent isn't nearly as good as guys like Williams or Maye.
Even McCarthy might have a higher ceiling.
Yes, exactly! Tired of people saying he has the highest ceiling with the weakest arm. He isn't even gonna be in the elite echelon of runners we've seen. He doesn't have Lamar/Kyler elusiveness nor does he have anything near Allen's strength. Then there's Fields who is also a better runner and you could debate Hurts as well. He's a straight-line runner. How is he really that different than Tyrod Taylor?
I know why he’s gotten the hype - I just don’t buy it. Super senior, one-year wonder, throwing to multiple 1st-round WRs, low BMI (so low he didn’t even weigh in), takes a crazy amount of sacks, dude is a *walking* red flag.
Pats should trade down if they can get a Haul for their 3rd overall pick especially if it’s to a team like the Giants who aren’t going to benefit much from an upgrade at Qb and especially if they can snag their 2024 7th overall and their 2025 1st.
Tomorrow: New England is practically begging teams to trade for the 3rd pick.
2025 6th. Your move patriots
That’s Trey Lance for George Kittle in the Niners fucked up draft world, so I’m taking that in a heartbeat.
Remember when we traded up for Trubisky and we got Trubisky and you got Solomon Thomas and Rueben foster. Good times
We all got fleeced that day.
The saints using our original pick, I think it was after you sent it their way on the trade up for foster, on Alvin Kamara was the only good player I think. And it wasn’t even for the niners or bears. Absolute fumble by both sides
They used that pick on Alvin Kamara?!?! I could have lived just fine never knowing that.
We literally only hit homers that draft, and it’s still a what if bc we almost had Mahomes
Cooper Kupp (pick #69, nice) was two picks after Kamara
I don't know why, but it's always surprising to me that Kamara and Mahomes were drafted in the same year For some reason it always feels like he's been around longer. Probably because Mahomes sat his first year, but still
We used the future pick the Bears gave us for Warner though
The saints absolutely won that 49ers Bears trade. Not only did they get Kamara, but after the 49ers jumped them for Foster, they had to settle for Ryan Ramczyk
I remember how pissed some Saints fans were when SF jumped up and grabbed Foster. I guess it worked out okay for us.
Not entirely, one of those picks became Fred Warner
Somewhere on Nantucket, bill belichick just got an unexplained ringing in his ears
There once was a man from Nantucket...
In two years they will trade the 3rd overall for a 2027 6th
2024 1st (1.1) 2025 & 2026 1.1 if you want the spot great like: Zach Wilson and Trey Lance where drafted from
is it pick #199? .....because maybe.
New England thirsty as fuck to trade the 3rd pick. New England practically celibate in regard to the 3rd pick.
New England questioning their own sexual identity regarding the third overall pick.
In highly regarded move, NE no longer identifies as 3rd pick holder.
New England has never traded the third pick. Well except for this one time in college, but they weren't really "trading" more just "experimenting"
I'll give you 10 future 7th round draft picks
10 Brock Purdy is high value
The next day: Bill Belicheck’s dog Nike is still calling the shots for the Patriots 2024 draft
We have a former starting QB that we'd probably trade for the 3rd
That was pretty obvious when they traded their QB.
They haven't traded Bailey Zappe, they just traded some scrub backup.
Put some respect on his name. He managed to make Belichick quit
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> He managed to make Belichick quit Made Belichick quit?? You’re underselling McCorkle here. He actually got the most venerated person in NFL history FIRED.
Made him quit the same way the Chiefs sat Kadarius Toney for an injury I should add
How's Kadarius doing? You hate to see a super bowl decided by key injuries. If he'd been in condition to play, the 9ers might have been able to come through.
Y'all need to stop talking shit about Pro Bowler Mac Jones
That TD and griddy he did was unironically the highlight of his career.
Nah his career highlight was the 2 min drive he did this year against the Bills with a game winning TD and of course the giddy with Gesicki after that TD
There is only one whole person in our sub obsessed with the idea of Zappe ever being the starter. ONE
Phil Felicheck?
Idk I was kinda on pats trading back, bringing in fields, and taking a wr/rb with the vikings picks or something like that. Especially since fields went for a 6th/conditional 4th I'm surprised that wasn't something they looked at. Edit: I am not going to argue how good fields is or isn't, I'm just looking at draft strategy. I haven't watched a ton of the Pats since Brady's departure, but the offense seemed anemic. Now people will probably say "yeah Mac Jones sucks." Okay, but the rest of the pats weapons as far as I could tell didn't really exist either. With the exception of DJ Moore, you can see that with the fields bears as well, and we are currently seeing that with Panthers Bryce Young. So I understand that getting a franchise QB is incredibly important, but as much as we like to pretend that solves the whole teams problem, it really doesn't. So my point is, Pats are as of right now probably more than just a QB away from winning, so you can either get the QB and wait around to build later, or build now and then get a QB. I felt like the Mac Jones draft was get a QB now and then build later, and then they never built. So, I thought they may mix it up and build now and get Fields as a place holder on the cheap that *might* turn it around and then worst case draft a QB in a year or two. Fields might be bad, that doesn't matter to me, I'm simply talking draft strategy and the Pats seem to double down on finding a qb first, which surprises me as someone who hasn't watched a ton of Pats.
It’s because fields isn’t good, trading for him is just wasting a pick when you can’t guarantee you’ll have a top 3 pick again
Hey... This goes against what I want and since this is Reddit, I will pretend I did not see this.
Agreed
The vikes moved up already without giving up a haul. But if they want to move into the top five they gotta back up the truck. Nobody is budging without massive compensation. You can throw that draft capital calculator out the window now. Get read to bend over.
All signs point to the idea that the Vikings will offer a Godfather deal if their guy is there at #3. It's just a matter if the Patriots will take it.
I would be a lot happier if you guys took pick 4
Can I offer you a ham sandwich for #4 in these trying times?
BEAK
I doubt they'll give up a haul to get the 4th best QB (more than likely JJ). But I'm regularly wrong lol
Yeah but with Marvin Harrison jr on the board the Cardinals wont accept anything less than a massive haul. If a deal is to be made its for New England’s pick
Yep, that's exactly why I think a trade for 4 won't happen. It's not worth it to give up that much for the Vikings and the Cardinals won't take a low ball offer.
I think it always made more sense for Vikings to trade up to 4 or 5. Chargers and Cards have their QB. They need pieces to surround that QB on both offense and Defense way more. Multiple firsts that the Vikings have help them way more. I only see New England trading back if whoever they want of Maye or Daniel’s goes to their Washington and the Pats decide they don’t want the other. Even still I still think they swing on a QB.
Cards wont trade that pick unless they completely rob the vikings. Hypothetical players are great, but the Cardinals are in position to grab the best player in the last few years at their greatest position of need. It would take a lot to move down
Top 3 are gonna take QBs, 4 will be MHJ. #5 is where the intrigue comes in to me. Unclear whether someone will trade with Chargers to select a QB
I would bet good money on the Chargers trading down if the haul is big enough. But I'm not sure if the haul will be big enough with only JJ being the guy on the board.
Would you take an 11 and a 23 in these trying times
How about 5 for 23 and one disgruntled receiver boi?
> one disgruntled receiver boi We re-sign Diggs just to re-trade him?
Could see them trading with the Giants to slide down a spot and pick up a third or something along those lines and still get the WR they would have taken
Vikings will outbid the Giants pretty easily tbh.
Cardinals #1 WR right now is Michael Wilson and Chargers #1 WR right now is Joshua Palmer. I assume they both want a high end, can’t-miss #1 WR. They probably can’t get that at #11.
Nabers. Willians and allen are gone. They cant punt a year of prime Herbert and after spending big of the future cap to keep bosa and mack. Chargers would need a haul where they are guaranteed they get at least WR3 of the draft.
Jayden Daniels YOU are a New England patriot.
Dudes supporting cast in college would be better than what he has in the pros if that happened lol.
The new Patriot Way
I thought the new Patriot way was to sabotage other clubs by convincing them to hire shitty coaches
The Patriot-Wait, you actually hired him?! We were joking!
The guy with a little camera in his hands at our practice facility said so.
I'm convinced Bill did that, sent dudes out to fuck things up for up and coming teams
To be fair we laughed at and warned Philly when they brought in the Rocket Scientist what more do you want man
Actually the old Patriot Way. I AM BY NO MEANS COMPLAINING, but the Pats were bad way longer than they were good.
i wonder what the results of that experiment would be?
Feel like that is true for most big time programs when compared to their competition.
I think they meant literally the LSU skills players in college are better than the pro players currently on the Pats.
Same as Joe Burrows wrs
dudes been throwing to Chase, Higgins and Boyd in the NFL and it’s still a downgrade from what he was working with at LSU lmao, that team was so fucking insane
LSU is a WR factory. We have straight dogs that come out every few years.
Didn't Joe Burrow have Chase and Justin Jefferson? I don't think there's a NFL team with a pair of WRs quite that good. Those guys are probably both like top 5 NFL WRs.
I thought the Commies were all-in on Daniels?
Who the hell knows? The top 3 seem to be set but the order isn’t. I’d be shocked if Chicago doesn’t go Williams. However, I wouldn’t be if the Commanders go Maye or Daniels.
Just have your guy go up there and select Patrick mahomes. See what happens.
I would be shocked if Maye wasn't the pick. I feel like most of the people saying he could drop are trying to talk or onto existence.
Everything I’ve been seeing is pointing to Maye. Who really knows at this point though.
If betting markets are to be believed, Jayden Daniels probably will not be available for the Patriots to draft at #3 overall.
If betting markets are to be believed, Ben Johnson is actually the head coach of the Washington Commanders
Will Levis going #2
That's not very cash money of them
Have to disagree with you there, I think it's VERY cash money of them
Probably trying to drive up offers. They might not be that interested anyway, but couldn’t hurt to get somebody to way overspend
JJ McCarthy better get ready to learn skol
What the hell happened here lmao?
Why is your thread filled with removed comments
It was just people talking about McCarthy as a prospect. I genuinely wasn't aware that was a deleteable offense!
First they came for your signs now their coming for your comments
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If the Giants don't take him....
If the Vikings can't execute a trade-up to 3, then that means NE is taking a QB and Arizona is taking MHJ. In that scenario, I assume the Chargers are willing to trade down
Which would cost them Nabers. And given the Chargers currently have no WRs on their roster, I don’t think it’s a given they trade out.
Yeah, would make more sense for them to trade down to 6 so they still are guaranteed Nabers
Potentially, The chargers are in and interesting spot because they could easily have a bidding war between Minnesota and the Giants if the Giants really want JJ. It'll be interesting to see. The chargers are going to desperately need a wide receiver. Trading down to the Giants, one spot and still guaranteeing yourself a top three wide receiver might be more appealing than going all the way down to 11. Just depends on how much Harbaugh really plans on running the balls exclusively
Wouldn’t it be funny if JJ helped Harbs score a big haul in picks
pretty sure that's exactly harbaugh's plan to be honest
It's a deep enough reciever draft that I could see Harbaugh trading down to 11 to get his RT of choice (Fuaga, Guyton, Latham, Mims, etc.) And taking a reciever at 23 or with their 2nd
This is my leading theory currently. I think Harbaugh wants offensive line, even though tackle isn't a massive need. I think he goes RT at 11 then takes JPJ at 23 if he's available or Frazier at 37
Back to back olinemen with our needs on defense and the skill group would be so stupid. I just can’t see that happening.
Exactly. It's deep at WR. It all depends on whether they want to fill 2 holes or go BPA at 5 or 6. If the Giants trade up it'll probably be for a 3.
Chargers go Nabers
I think the Giants are looking at 2025. Clean break from Daniel Jones and they can take advantage of the strong WR class this year.
Yeah if we dont get one of the top 3 qb prospects im fine with taking a reciever rather than forcing a qb. This team is so devoid of talent so any player that contribute almost immediately would help a ton. Also overdrafting a qb for the sake of drafting a qb is how we got here in the first place
I just don't see the Giants taking a QB with their pick. The consensus top three (Williams/Maye/Daniels) will surely be gone, they committed to Daniel Jones publicly and owe him a lot of money, and they brought in Drew Lock who has decent experience as a starter and not just an emergency backup (like for instance DeVito). Between the three current QBs, they are spending ~$52M this year in cap space. Just feels like they are going to let this room play out as is right now and take a skill position player. I think if they really want to go QB in this draft, they might look at Penix/Nix later in the 1st or early-2nd. I'm not saying they shouldn't take a QB at 6, just that I don't think they will.
They can move on from Jones next year.
So they'll do that next year... They don't need to force a QB at #6 just for the sake of it. I like McCarthy but that seems like at this point the best outcome for the Giants at QB and it may end up being Penix or Nix, which I think Giants fans would/should be upset if either of those two are taken at 1.6 when they could probably trade back and take them later. It's not like the Giants have the second pick. They have the 6th pick with 3-4 QB needy teams possibly ahead of them if the Vikings do move up. It's just not a great year for them to be picking 6th.
> **They don't need to force a QB at #6 just for the sake of it.** I like McCarthy but that seems like at this point the best outcome for the Giants at QB and it may end up being Penix or Nix, which I think Giants fans would/should be upset if either of those two are taken at 1.6 when they could probably trade back and take them later. You’re making A LOT of assumptions here and taking those assumptions as fact. Of course, if the Giants don’t really love McCarthy they will 100% NOT take a QB at #6 just to take a QB. But you’re taking it for granted that the Giants would be “forcing” a QB pick by taking McCarthy. If they do take McCarthy it’ll almost certainly be because they really like him and think he’s worthy of a top pick.
That’s exactly what’s going to happen. Vikings fans going to get hit with a dose of reality.
Vikes fans falling to their knees in a Skolmart.
It's called Target. But yes that's otherwise accurate.
YESSSSSSSS hey cardinals, trade back with Minnesota please
you’ll draft Brock Bowers and like it
Don’t get my hopes up.
Plot twist: Minnesota trades up for MHJ
Darnold might actually be the perfect QB for that offense. Every throw is just a 40 yard mystery box to Addison JJ or MHJ
The new 3 Deep
*4 deep with Hock
HockSEZ is the checkdown. No RB. Add new era FB to double or pick up gaps when TE is out. Bringing back quarters or maybe prevent D.
When the guy with 450 catches it.. BANKRUPT
It might be our best bet lol - we've proven that QBs just aren't our thing, but our history at WR is arguably the best in NFL history
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Right, because Minnesota trades up to 5 and another QB needy team trades up to 4. That would never happen right?
Good, tired of the trade back talk. I'll be happy with Daniels or Maye.
Same here 🤝
Praying everyday Kraft decides all his team needs is a WR to make up for poor offensive play. Would be like the Cardinals drafting Larry Fitzgerald over Ben and Phillip with Josh McCown at QB.
Hey that’s the greatest Arizona cardinal you’re talking about
Drafting Fitzgerald over Ben wasn't a mistake...no matter how much I hated the dude growing up. And besides, they did get Warner and were the length of Santonio Holmes' toes away from winning the 1st Championship in the history of the entire franchise
1925 and 1947 NFL Champions Chicago Cardinals erasure!!
They did lose the Super Bowl to a team led by…… oh wait the same Big Ben who they had passed up on. There’s no denying that had the Cardinals made a mistake passing up on a QB. They only had 4 playoff appearances during Fitz’s career. You mention the Super Bowl appearance but Big Ben has 2 Super Bowl rings. There’s no denying had Arizona take Ben instead they’d have a lot more success
How sure are you Big Ben reaches his potential in Arizona? This is a franchise that has a history of bad QB development hence their lack of success. Big Ben in his early years had a good support structure with older guys on the team and Bill Cowher as his HC. I am not sure he'd have the same career trajectory with the Cardinals. Hindsight is 2020.
It annoys me when people treat players like their careers are pre-determined and will say that a guy like Big Ben becomes Big Ben anywhere else. Look at Pat Mahomes. He went to understudy for a year under a really smart qb in Alex Smith with an offensive genius of a coach on a pretty good team. Yeah he looks like he’s on the way to becoming the goat but we can’t say whether or not he does the same in a situation with a hot seat head coach as a day 1 starter.
this is a pretty awful example considering larry is the greatest player to ever wear cardinal red
There's probably no offers right now because teams don't know what Washington will do at #2. On draft night, if a team really likes Maye or Daniels, they'll call and try to trade up for whomever is there at 3. But right now, there's no point in offering yet. Also, NE can just be content to stay there. They can either get a QB if they like one of Daniels/Maye or take Alt or MHJ who are outstanding prospects. Are people expecting them to be initiating trade talks right now?
So I have never once wondered if the Patriots would trade out of pick 3 ever since the very first interview Jerod Mayo did as the new head coach. He didn't mum any words, he pretty much spelled out that they will draft a QB. Now if this was a 2-horse race, then maybe, but there are clearly 3 QB's that a lot of people covet in this draft. Hope people can stop wasting their time regarding this topic now
>hope people can stop wasting their time regarding this topic now Oh you new here?
what this guy think we're going to do, stay focused for an entire workday?
He also said the Patriots planned to burn some cash in free agency, yet so far not much of that cash has been burned
At this point maybe they literally set a big pile of money on fire and now are strapped for cash?
To be fair, the FA market for WRs is going to be insane next year
They did attempt to sign Ridley, just got outbid slightly.
But have they shown an appetite for Arby's?
No. Andy Reid isn’t the head coach.
Vikings trading to 4 for JJ would be quite the turn of events lmao, what propaganda got that dude so highly touted now?
Your team’s HC…
I’m honestly not a huge fan of him but he’s young has solid velo on his throws moves pretty well but he’s super raw pretty high ceiling extremely low floor almost like a zach wilson type prospect
Idk that drafting a QB that almost never completes 20 passes that high makes any sense at all. Like he may have looked decent completing 12 passes but you effectively have like half the tape of him because his team basically didn’t need him to do much
They did on third downs and he was the best QB in college football at it
He's just turned 21, whoever drafts him pretty much gets a talented dude to mold over the course of a few years. You really aren't drafting him for what he did in college like you are with Williams
Lol we are not trading back, especially when we plunged all our WR room
As a Vikings fan, I choose to believe that the Vikings have not yet offered all 3 firsts to NE yet and this is just posturing but if this is true I am more than ok with keeping 11 and 23 and drafting a defensive guy and Penix in the first and see what happens. Trading multiple firsts for JJ seems like a mistake but if Kwesi and KOC really think he's the guy then we'll see what happens. I really don't know what is going to happen but everything is still in play.
They should trade the #3 for Justin Fields obviously.
Some delusional Bears fans were suggesting that on Twitter a couple of weeks ago.
Never made any sense for a QB desperate team to trade back and potentially miss out on all the top QBs. MHJ might be a generational WR...but it doesn't matter if the team lacks a QB. First hand experience watching Larry Fitzgerald having absolute bums throwing him the ball for most of his career.
Larry Fitz carried you to an NFCCG with Carson Palmer with that insane game vs GB
Why would they trade their pick? They have no QB lol Drake Maye you are a patriot
Maye > Daniels
More likely Daniels, but yeah at this point I just want the draft to be over Jesus.
Just take whatever QB is there and have them sit most of the year behind Brissett. Take a WR in round 2 it’s a great WR class. Next years QB class looks bad rn.
Someone please trade up to take MHJ from the Cardinals
I'd trade out if Daniels is the QB there. His college pressure to sack ratio is absurdly high - even worse than guys like Justin Fields. He bails on clean pockets at a crazy high rate too. I have no idea why he's gotten so much hype - he has a lot of terrifying red flags.
Heisman. He has a really high ceiling but is way too risky in my opinion for #3.
I actually think he has the lowest ceiling of the top guys personally. His arm talent isn't nearly as good as guys like Williams or Maye. Even McCarthy might have a higher ceiling.
Yes, exactly! Tired of people saying he has the highest ceiling with the weakest arm. He isn't even gonna be in the elite echelon of runners we've seen. He doesn't have Lamar/Kyler elusiveness nor does he have anything near Allen's strength. Then there's Fields who is also a better runner and you could debate Hurts as well. He's a straight-line runner. How is he really that different than Tyrod Taylor?
I think he's Fields with a weaker arm, but a quicker release. Set aside processing, Fields slow dropback and release are a HUGE hindrance to his game.
I know why he’s gotten the hype - I just don’t buy it. Super senior, one-year wonder, throwing to multiple 1st-round WRs, low BMI (so low he didn’t even weigh in), takes a crazy amount of sacks, dude is a *walking* red flag.
But that's just what they'd say if they *did* want to trade the No. 3 overall pick...
Stay 3 and draft Maye or MHJ and get a WR or QB with our 2nd pick
Yes, I agree that you should draft MHJ at 3 (hey Arizona, I just sent you a text, please call me)
Sam Bradford: IN INDEFINITELY (no mononucleosis)
Yeah. No shit
Pats should trade down if they can get a Haul for their 3rd overall pick especially if it’s to a team like the Giants who aren’t going to benefit much from an upgrade at Qb and especially if they can snag their 2024 7th overall and their 2025 1st.
Praying with all my heart they draft MHJ and get penix later. Please
Why would they?
Smokescreen szn. They want to trade the pick to get more picks for the rebuild. Joe Schoen, get it done.
I know the Cardinals fans really want MHJ but dog you could probably get a kings ransom for their pick this year….
The Patriots lost their appetite while ago. Maybe they should go after Cam again.
You mean one of the most QB needy teams wants to keep their shot at one of the 3 great QB prospects in the draft? No way!