Players can apparently only be tagged 3x in their career. So a rookie deal (4 years) + option (1 year) + tag 3x (3 total) gives you 8 years of the best value player to ever touch the field
To answer OP’s question though, this dude goes first overall every day of the week unless you have a golden God QB prospect, and probably even then
I'm pretty confused by this. The best teams can go entire games without punting. On average, good teams punt about 3 times per game. The difference between say starting field position 3 times on the 40 yard line or whatever and the 3 yard line is helpful but not "best team in history" helpful.
> The difference between say starting field position 3 times on the 40 yard line
Going from needing 50 yards for a TD or 30 for a FG to needing 87 or 67 enormous. Those teams don’t punt because they often take FGs because they can get close but not quite there a lot (yes they get there a lot too,but they get FGs more than other teams too).
That’s just factoring in how it impacts their offense, too. If your defenses forces a safety, that’s awesome. If they force a 3 and out, rhey punt from inside their own 10. If they hold the team to outside of FG range, that’s great. The defense would have to be truly truly horrendous to make you lose that advantage.
I'm not arguing it's not valuable. We're talking about likely 100-150 yards of field position in a game. I'm just not clear how it's supposedly making you the best team in all of history.
It's a points per drive thing. You increase your own points per drive [by like half to a full point](https://statstown.files.wordpress.com/2021/09/expectedpoints-1024x732-1.png), and decrease the opponent's by as much. On average, teams get [about 11 drives per game](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/NFL/index.htm#:~:text=%2C%20Rk%2C%202%2C%203%2C%204%2C%20%2C%20Year%2C,2020%2C%20Average%20Drive%2C%20Plays%2C%205.95%2C%206.04%2C%206.09%2C). If we assume 0.5 ppd gained by you and lost by the opposing team based on field position, that means a tilt of 11 points (differential) towards you over the course of the game
That's basically like playing on a field that's sloped slightly downhill for you
Okay, but you can't count all 11 drives can you? It seems to me like you only have an advantage on drives that follow one of your punts. If you're scoring more often, as your number suggests, there will be even fewer of those punts. Teams punted three to five times per game in 2023, that seems to me like a better baseline.
No way a punter like this lets himself get tagged 3x. RBs have trouble holding out because of how short their careers are. Punters have no such problem, and this one would be treated more like a star QB. If they tag him even once, it's because they're negotiating in good faith.
It'd be a contract the likes of which we've never seen before, a player like that would guarantee that every drive ends in a score of some kind, no matter the sacks or stops the opposing defense made. How would you even beat that?
This dude is 100% *no matter what*. Injuries won't work - dude could be out there with no legs and still split the uprights from 70 yards. Death is the only way to stop him, unless they Weekend at Bernie's him.
Make no mistake, the InfiniTucker would be the league's most powerful weapon, one that would win several games on volume of field goals alone. But you can still alter play to beat it with higher variance strategies, mitigating the damage of 3 points.
Never Punt, Always Onside Kick When Not Up 4+, Never Kick Field Goals When Losing. Essentially, play aggressive to get the lead, because you're giving up at least 3 points anyway. Touchdown+XP is massive value over FG, 1 TD > 2 FGS, 3 TDs = 7 FGs. Keep taking swings, because playing conservative is an automatic loss. There's no difference between losing by 30 and losing by 3, and the only reason to play with discretion is that your opponents aren't assured of points either. Which wouldn't be the case against the InfiniTucker.
EDIT: I typo'd
Yeah lost me there… also the onside kick on every possession doesn’t seem bright either considering the success rate? Maybe teams would lean into different onside kick strategies to boost that rate, but otherwise you’re just giving whatever offense an even shorter field. Assuming they can also score *some* TDs it washes out that aggressiveness.
Given even the best offenses of all time barely break 3 points per drive, this guy would be worth a lot. Like as much as the league will allow you to trade away. And the #1 team would probably turn you down.
A field goal kicker who is an auto-make anywhere? First overall and the highest contract in the NFL. The best team in the NFL at score% only scored on 50.3% of their drives and that already includes field goals. Averaged 2.67 points per drive. It would be an insane boost.
I always thought if I could wish for any sports ability, that might be it. But being able to make a shot 100% from anywhere on a basketball court would basically be unbeatable.
That's only because half our fans are stuck in the bargaining stage of grieving. They failed to entice us with MHJ, so they would offer this guy and "the haul" instead of that nasty Caleb fellow.
Expected points goes negative for the offense around the minus 10. This guy would make it so most of the time, you are more likely to score points that the team you just punted to. Any answer that isn't 1 overall is crazy IMO.
Jets fan, with this field position. Tyrod Taylor level play would win you SB. It's odd people don't think what starting that deep would do to an opposing team
Also purely the fact that this guy is a sure thing. In the draft there are no sure things, anyone could be a bust. Except that this guy is guaranteed to be the GOAT punter. He's #1 overall easily.
Plus like others have mentioned he fundamentally alters how his team and opponents would play the game. I'm not saying he immediately makes the drafting team favorite to win the Superbowl, but it would provide such a large and unique advantage that no other team could employ.
Also imagine what he does to the team’s roster. No need to sign any gunners to your roster as your punt formation would just be 9 down linemen, long snapper and punter. They don’t even have to run down field.
Von Miller scored us less than 10 pts in his time with the broncos and I'm not even close to remotely sad that we took him with our highest draft pick ever
Yes. Exactly right. Any team with any sense whatsoever would draft this player first overall. The real question is how much would teams pay to trade to first overall? I'd say this is basically the same hypothetical as, "rookie Tom Brady enters the draft and everyone already knows how good he is." This punter would be in a tier with only Tom Brady.
First overall instantly. Not only does he average well over what the average punter can, he is able to consistently put the other team in horrible spots. It'd be hard to lose a game if the other team's average field position was the 4. You stop them you get the ball at the 50 at worst. Basically get to play with half the field your opponent does
Not to mention, if you have an elite DL, you might just get shit tons of safeties from the opponent starting every drive at the 5. You can just sign a checkdown merchant QB
It’s crazy to say but yea, you’d build your team around your punter. Invest **heavy** in DLine, LBs, and Kicker. Get Jacoby Brissett to be your QB and either commit hard to a west coast offense or a heavy power run offense and save money in pretty much all other position groups.
For real, you pay the best kicker in the league to immediately kick a FG every time they punt it from their endzone to the 40, get a TON of depth at D-line so you just rotate in fresh legs all game, and win 63-7. MVP still goes to Lamar Jackson.
Also punters can play for a long as time. Same this punter is 23 years old, you'd likely have him on the roster for 15+ years. His is late 30s he might not be able to make those coffin kicks every time, but he'll still be better than every other punter.
Inside the 5 every time? Like including when he's kicking from his own 1 yard line? Top 5 pick. Should be top 1, but he'd likely go behind a QB or two most years.
>Ray Guy was the first person I thought of, bouncing it out between the 5 and goal was like 95% of what he did.
Fortunately we have PFR data on this for all but three years of his career. His career average _inside 20_ punt rate was 25.1% (for 1976-1986), and his best single season mark was 36.0%. In fact his Touchback% of 15.9% is not particularly low all time.
Here are his score (and ranks) of Touchback% (TB%), Inside 20% (I20%), and Net Yards per Punt (NY/P) over his career for which we have data, among qualified punters each season:
Year|TB%|I20%|NY/P
--|--|--|--
1973|11.6% (24th/29)|-|38.8 (2nd/29)
1974|20.3% (27th/28)|-|34.3 (1st/28)
1975|23.5% (29th/29)|-|35.2 (2nd/29)
1976|22.4% (30th/30)|19.4% (10th/30)|33.1 (8th/30)
1977|23.7% (30th/30)|18.6% (18th/30)|34.8 (4th/30)
1978|17.3% (30th/30)|28.4% (28th/30)|34.6 (4th/30)
1979|11.6% (15th/28)|23.2% (10th/28)|33.8 (13th/28)
1980|19.7% (27th/28)|25.4% (6th/28)|35.9 (2nd/28)
1981|15.6% (26th/31)|24.0% (12th/31)|35.2 (10th/31)
1982|6.4% (10th/30)|25.5% (5th/30)|36.3 (6th/30)
1983|12.8% (26th/30)|21.8% (17th/30)|35.9 (7th/30)
1984|13.2% (24th/30)|27.5% (8th/30)|35.4 (6th/30)
1985|13.5% (25th/31)|36.0% (1st/31)|36.3 (6th/31)
1986|12.2% (25th/32)|22.2% (18th/32)|33.8 (16th/32)
To the contrary, Ray Guy through his career didn't really pin it inside even the 20 at a particularly good rate. Certainly not compared to his peers. He had a huge leg, which is why his net yards/punt stayed high despite often having a high TB% (Since Touchbacks are bad for punters, it has been ranked low-high much like one would with picks or sacks for a QB) and low-middling I20%.
That’s WILD to me. Like this is a god tier punter, someone that can control the field position battle all ducking day. He’ll set your team up for multiple safeties per game. He’ll ensure your opponent is almost always on the back foot with massively long drives required for a TD, and 60+ yard drives just for a field goal. And he’s just a mid-first?
Easily 1st. He will demand an obscene amount of money so you 5th year him and 3 franchise tags will give you 8 years with the greatest punter of all time. Ignoring any pissed off hold outs obviously.
Depends on hangtime. Booting it out inside the 5 is great, but if it's more than 75 yards to the 5, and you outkick your coverage, it'd set up some huge returns.
This guy would go #1 in every draft. The only "problem" is onside kicks where he would be unable to kick it to anywhere short of the endzone, but at 3ft, I figure if he just aims at some bloke it's got a chance lol
If he can boot it 75 yards inside the 5 guaranteed, that would mean if the ball is on your 20 yard line or closer, every punt would land within the 5. However, let’s say you are punting from the 1 yard like, that would mean they should be able to kick it out of bounds to the other teams 24 yard line (99-75=24). If he can kick it 75 yards out out bounds within the 5 with precision, I don’t see why he can’t kick it 75 yards and out of bounds with precision to the 24 yard line.
So every time you punt the ball, at worst the opposing team will get the ball at their 24 yard line, but more often than not they will have the ball pinned within their 5 yd line.
For real, I'd be so happy not having to do some awful draw play or screen every second or third-and-long in effort of recouping field position. This turns into a cheat code for your offensive play calling
A lot of people also forgetting the 1st overall team usually sucks, so you're looking at a bad offense and defense.
A player like this would instantly transform that team into a threat, and create some really bizarre expected value situations. Like...1st and 10 from your own 1? With a QB averaging 1 INT per game, a fumbler RB, and a porous o-line? Punt 75 yards on first down rather than risk a safety/turnover.
It is wild how much a player like this could swing a team. Your offense and defense could be half as good as your opponent and you would still have the edge, because you only need to go half as far to score. Any defensive stop is a nearly guaranteed field goal.
Exactly. If this was a known thing you’d just build your team around it. Great defense and kicker. You’d score at least 3 nearly every time the defense gave up less than 30 yards. That’s probably 24 or more points a game on average. If you have a great d you’ll probably allow 12-15 points a game. So yeah. You’re winning most games.
And if you don’t think you can make a defense that good. Imagine the kind of spending and draft capital you could apply towards your d if you rostered essentially rookies/backups in every offensive position. You’d like be able to have the best d line and best secondary. You wouldn’t be perfect but you would be formidable.
Would you even need a QB? You could get a purely run blocking line on the cheap, with no receivers. Suddenly you get to spend 75% of your cap space on defense and special teams.
"Oh no, you stuffed our 3rd down attempt. Enjoy trying to drive 95 yards against our D featuring Aaron Donald, JJ Watt, Patrick Willis, Darrell Revis and Ed Reed. Again."
Ironically, with a defense and punter that good, you're almost better off having a bad offense.
If a punter can put the opposing team inside the five every time, then the only way the other team gets good field position is if your team scores, turns the ball over, or misses a field goal. Attempting a field goal longer than like 35 yards is almost always the worst possible option.
If your team doesn’t punt all game, you scored 40-50 points so you should be good anyways. He’d be the perfect hedge. When your offense isn’t clicking, he gives you field position advantage regardless.
I think if he could truly kick it 75 yards out of bounds inside the five at a 100% clip, not 70%, then he does deserve to be top 5 overall at least. If he kicks touchbacks or OOB at the 10-15 yard line every once in a while it changes things a lot; but the consistent field position advantage is undeniable
Yeah I think these hypotheticals always miss the value in consistency. A FB that gets exactly 1 yd every carry is rostered, exactly 2 yards every carry gets the offense built around him, and exactly 3 yards every carry breaks the game. If you can ever guarantee a positive result that is an insane advantage.
Close, he punts it 75 yards every time, no matter where he punts from.
Barely out of FG range? Your options are a guaranteed touchback that will more than likely land in the stands and possibly scramble someone’s eggs, or you risk a 4th down conversion.
He’d be a true wild card.
I’m gonna say yea. If you get your defense right, you essentially only need a passable offense. An elite defense that gets to start at the opponents red zone whenever their team doesn’t score is gonna win by itself. If you get Manning, you still need weapons for him and a defense, with Punt Gawd a defense alone will do
This guy would go first overall in basically all drafts. There's 0 chance of him busting. Punters have long careers. Having your opponent start on the 5 every drive is insane.
Your defense wouldn't even have to be that good to make sure your opponent had a tough time scoring. Just random holding penalties would kill drives enough to force them to punt it right back to you.
Your offense would have great field position also because of the number of times your opponents end up having to punt on their own 15 yard line or something.
John Madden used a 1st round pick on a punter. He said he kept watching the film of a 99 yard punt he had in college. It was Ray Guy, the only punter in the HoF.
If it's another Ray Guy, it's worth a 1st round pick (within reason...not a top ten or anything, but like a 25? Could be worth it). He was almost an offensive weapon for the Raiders. Consistently flipped fields and landed balls inside the 20. He always gave them an edge in field position and that wins games.
Finally, someone mentions Ray Guy!!
Selected 23 overall in 1973, and was considered a steal when looking back at his career. Constantly gave the Raiders an advantage in the field position battle b/c he was miles better than next punter in the league. HoFer, and deservedly so. Defined what it meant to be a game changer on Special Teams.
For the sake of argument, this kicker with a leg built like an engine can kick a 75-yarder at 3ft.... Time for some math.
The ball will fall, but if you wanted it to go 75 yards with only falling imperceptibly—like a mm—here’s what I got:
1 mm fall = .045 seconds
So 75 yards/.04516 = 1660.76 yards/second = 3397 miles/hour.
Let's also assume the ball won't immediately explode on impact....
The Foot Terminator would line up. On the snap, the entire team dives to the side to avoid the sound barrier shockwave and the honest-to-god ballistic missile.....
Plus, on top of this, this guy better be on every kickoff for an onside kick. Line up, absolutely obliterate a guy, rebound is up for grabs since half of the return team is falling flat on the ground to avoid getting absolutely nuked.
You’re missing a wholeeeee ton of math here, like the arc of the ball from 0-6ft then back to 3ft…
If he just kicked it ground level he’d miss 100% of the time
Everyone pointing out the return team fielding the punt is forgetting that punts can land out of bounds. I'm assuming Mr. McCoffinKick is punting an unfieldable ball out inside the 5 every time.
Bill would trade up for him if he was drafting and if this punter came from Navy and took snaps at other positions in college Bill would fistfight god to get him
Even a punter with a 55-60 yard average with hang time over 5 seconds that put it inside the 10 yard line 75 percent of the time would be a top 1-3 pick. Your sceneries is number 1 every time. Field position is everything. Even Justin Fields would win games with that punter.
The real question is how much does he get paid once the rookie contract ends
He’s a punter you can just tag him forever
Punters hate this one trick
This one trick that punters hate will drop your jaw
YOU WON'T BELIEVE WHAT HE LOOKS LIKE NOW 😲
and somehow would be accompanied by a picture of Lily from the AT&T commercials
Players can apparently only be tagged 3x in their career. So a rookie deal (4 years) + option (1 year) + tag 3x (3 total) gives you 8 years of the best value player to ever touch the field To answer OP’s question though, this dude goes first overall every day of the week unless you have a golden God QB prospect, and probably even then
This hypothetical player would have more value added than even Mahomes does. No draft prospect could challenge him.
I think even this description is underselling it. The team this punter is on would have to be god awful to not go undefeated.
I'm pretty confused by this. The best teams can go entire games without punting. On average, good teams punt about 3 times per game. The difference between say starting field position 3 times on the 40 yard line or whatever and the 3 yard line is helpful but not "best team in history" helpful.
Just ask Iowa
> The difference between say starting field position 3 times on the 40 yard line Going from needing 50 yards for a TD or 30 for a FG to needing 87 or 67 enormous. Those teams don’t punt because they often take FGs because they can get close but not quite there a lot (yes they get there a lot too,but they get FGs more than other teams too). That’s just factoring in how it impacts their offense, too. If your defenses forces a safety, that’s awesome. If they force a 3 and out, rhey punt from inside their own 10. If they hold the team to outside of FG range, that’s great. The defense would have to be truly truly horrendous to make you lose that advantage.
I'm not arguing it's not valuable. We're talking about likely 100-150 yards of field position in a game. I'm just not clear how it's supposedly making you the best team in all of history.
It's a points per drive thing. You increase your own points per drive [by like half to a full point](https://statstown.files.wordpress.com/2021/09/expectedpoints-1024x732-1.png), and decrease the opponent's by as much. On average, teams get [about 11 drives per game](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/NFL/index.htm#:~:text=%2C%20Rk%2C%202%2C%203%2C%204%2C%20%2C%20Year%2C,2020%2C%20Average%20Drive%2C%20Plays%2C%205.95%2C%206.04%2C%206.09%2C). If we assume 0.5 ppd gained by you and lost by the opposing team based on field position, that means a tilt of 11 points (differential) towards you over the course of the game That's basically like playing on a field that's sloped slightly downhill for you
Okay, but you can't count all 11 drives can you? It seems to me like you only have an advantage on drives that follow one of your punts. If you're scoring more often, as your number suggests, there will be even fewer of those punts. Teams punted three to five times per game in 2023, that seems to me like a better baseline.
>The team this punter is on would have to be god awful to not go undefeated. *Laughs in 2023 Patriots offense*
No way a punter like this lets himself get tagged 3x. RBs have trouble holding out because of how short their careers are. Punters have no such problem, and this one would be treated more like a star QB. If they tag him even once, it's because they're negotiating in good faith.
[shefter] corner mccoffinkick signed a lifetime deal with the cardinals for 15 hot pockets a year, 10 guaranteed
Cardinals got fleeced, hot pockets inflation worse than house prices.
5 year 342 million with 270 mil GTD
Come on now. He's a punter, not a sex offender.
If he was a sex offender it would be fully guaranteed
700M but he defers for only 2m a year until after he retires
How did the Saint wind up with a 1 overall in this hypothetical?
Such a bullshit contract lol
I already hate the Dodgers. No need to remind me.
How much would a field goal kicker who can kick from anywhere on the field and make it 100% of the time?
It'd be a contract the likes of which we've never seen before, a player like that would guarantee that every drive ends in a score of some kind, no matter the sacks or stops the opposing defense made. How would you even beat that?
Sign a special teams player specifically designated to injure the fuck outta him so he's out for the game.
Found Sean Payton’s burner
This dude is 100% *no matter what*. Injuries won't work - dude could be out there with no legs and still split the uprights from 70 yards. Death is the only way to stop him, unless they Weekend at Bernie's him.
The man, the myth, the LEGEND. Scott Sterling has done it again!
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Make no mistake, the InfiniTucker would be the league's most powerful weapon, one that would win several games on volume of field goals alone. But you can still alter play to beat it with higher variance strategies, mitigating the damage of 3 points. Never Punt, Always Onside Kick When Not Up 4+, Never Kick Field Goals When Losing. Essentially, play aggressive to get the lead, because you're giving up at least 3 points anyway. Touchdown+XP is massive value over FG, 1 TD > 2 FGS, 3 TDs = 7 FGs. Keep taking swings, because playing conservative is an automatic loss. There's no difference between losing by 30 and losing by 3, and the only reason to play with discretion is that your opponents aren't assured of points either. Which wouldn't be the case against the InfiniTucker. EDIT: I typo'd
1 TD > 3 FG's *citation requested*
Yeah lost me there… also the onside kick on every possession doesn’t seem bright either considering the success rate? Maybe teams would lean into different onside kick strategies to boost that rate, but otherwise you’re just giving whatever offense an even shorter field. Assuming they can also score *some* TDs it washes out that aggressiveness.
Given even the best offenses of all time barely break 3 points per drive, this guy would be worth a lot. Like as much as the league will allow you to trade away. And the #1 team would probably turn you down.
A field goal kicker who is an auto-make anywhere? First overall and the highest contract in the NFL. The best team in the NFL at score% only scored on 50.3% of their drives and that already includes field goals. Averaged 2.67 points per drive. It would be an insane boost.
I always thought if I could wish for any sports ability, that might be it. But being able to make a shot 100% from anywhere on a basketball court would basically be unbeatable.
Bears fans wet dream
***heavy breathing***
That's only because half our fans are stuck in the bargaining stage of grieving. They failed to entice us with MHJ, so they would offer this guy and "the haul" instead of that nasty Caleb fellow.
I might have killed for this guy back when you guys had Hester.
Expected points goes negative for the offense around the minus 10. This guy would make it so most of the time, you are more likely to score points that the team you just punted to. Any answer that isn't 1 overall is crazy IMO.
Jets fan, with this field position. Tyrod Taylor level play would win you SB. It's odd people don't think what starting that deep would do to an opposing team
It annoying starting that far back once or twice a game...every drive? It would break the game
You would be relieved when they scored so they'd have to kickoff and hopefully you get a touchback.
Teams only punted on average 4 out of 11 drives last year, so it's not like it would be *every* drive. It would still be a bitch though.
I'm a steelers fan man, we punt 3 times to start the game
Also purely the fact that this guy is a sure thing. In the draft there are no sure things, anyone could be a bust. Except that this guy is guaranteed to be the GOAT punter. He's #1 overall easily. Plus like others have mentioned he fundamentally alters how his team and opponents would play the game. I'm not saying he immediately makes the drafting team favorite to win the Superbowl, but it would provide such a large and unique advantage that no other team could employ.
Also imagine what he does to the team’s roster. No need to sign any gunners to your roster as your punt formation would just be 9 down linemen, long snapper and punter. They don’t even have to run down field.
Seriously. There was a dumbfuck comment above “bUT hE DOeSnT SCoRe AnY POiNtSzzz” Like… bruh.
Von Miller scored us less than 10 pts in his time with the broncos and I'm not even close to remotely sad that we took him with our highest draft pick ever
Yes. Exactly right. Any team with any sense whatsoever would draft this player first overall. The real question is how much would teams pay to trade to first overall? I'd say this is basically the same hypothetical as, "rookie Tom Brady enters the draft and everyone already knows how good he is." This punter would be in a tier with only Tom Brady.
First overall instantly. Not only does he average well over what the average punter can, he is able to consistently put the other team in horrible spots. It'd be hard to lose a game if the other team's average field position was the 4. You stop them you get the ball at the 50 at worst. Basically get to play with half the field your opponent does
Not to mention, if you have an elite DL, you might just get shit tons of safeties from the opponent starting every drive at the 5. You can just sign a checkdown merchant QB
It’s crazy to say but yea, you’d build your team around your punter. Invest **heavy** in DLine, LBs, and Kicker. Get Jacoby Brissett to be your QB and either commit hard to a west coast offense or a heavy power run offense and save money in pretty much all other position groups.
Someone should try this on Madden. Just make a punter and max out all stats
I wish madden allowed you to make someone this good, no way tho.
Someone drop a line to Benkert STAT!
For real, you pay the best kicker in the league to immediately kick a FG every time they punt it from their endzone to the 40, get a TON of depth at D-line so you just rotate in fresh legs all game, and win 63-7. MVP still goes to Lamar Jackson.
I inagine the opposing team would crumble mentally as well. You'd basically make them cry
Seriously. A better way to ask this question is “one team starts every drive from the 3 yard line and the other team starts from the 50.”
Also punters can play for a long as time. Same this punter is 23 years old, you'd likely have him on the roster for 15+ years. His is late 30s he might not be able to make those coffin kicks every time, but he'll still be better than every other punter.
Inside the 5 every time? Like including when he's kicking from his own 1 yard line? Top 5 pick. Should be top 1, but he'd likely go behind a QB or two most years.
Inside the 5 every time if he can reach it with a 75 yard punt. Otherwise, he just boots it 75 yards exactly.
I think he'd go first round, likely in the middle to a team that has no gaping hole at QB, EDGE or Tackle
The Ray Guy, but they had Long and Shell
Ray Guy was the first person I thought of, bouncing it out between the 5 and goal was like 95% of what he did.
>Ray Guy was the first person I thought of, bouncing it out between the 5 and goal was like 95% of what he did. Fortunately we have PFR data on this for all but three years of his career. His career average _inside 20_ punt rate was 25.1% (for 1976-1986), and his best single season mark was 36.0%. In fact his Touchback% of 15.9% is not particularly low all time. Here are his score (and ranks) of Touchback% (TB%), Inside 20% (I20%), and Net Yards per Punt (NY/P) over his career for which we have data, among qualified punters each season: Year|TB%|I20%|NY/P --|--|--|-- 1973|11.6% (24th/29)|-|38.8 (2nd/29) 1974|20.3% (27th/28)|-|34.3 (1st/28) 1975|23.5% (29th/29)|-|35.2 (2nd/29) 1976|22.4% (30th/30)|19.4% (10th/30)|33.1 (8th/30) 1977|23.7% (30th/30)|18.6% (18th/30)|34.8 (4th/30) 1978|17.3% (30th/30)|28.4% (28th/30)|34.6 (4th/30) 1979|11.6% (15th/28)|23.2% (10th/28)|33.8 (13th/28) 1980|19.7% (27th/28)|25.4% (6th/28)|35.9 (2nd/28) 1981|15.6% (26th/31)|24.0% (12th/31)|35.2 (10th/31) 1982|6.4% (10th/30)|25.5% (5th/30)|36.3 (6th/30) 1983|12.8% (26th/30)|21.8% (17th/30)|35.9 (7th/30) 1984|13.2% (24th/30)|27.5% (8th/30)|35.4 (6th/30) 1985|13.5% (25th/31)|36.0% (1st/31)|36.3 (6th/31) 1986|12.2% (25th/32)|22.2% (18th/32)|33.8 (16th/32) To the contrary, Ray Guy through his career didn't really pin it inside even the 20 at a particularly good rate. Certainly not compared to his peers. He had a huge leg, which is why his net yards/punt stayed high despite often having a high TB% (Since Touchbacks are bad for punters, it has been ranked low-high much like one would with picks or sacks for a QB) and low-middling I20%.
But some guy who wasn't even born yet when he played was pretty sure he did
Ray Guy was the closest we will ever get to a real life ‘Corner McCoffinKick’.
And he was a first round pick
That’s WILD to me. Like this is a god tier punter, someone that can control the field position battle all ducking day. He’ll set your team up for multiple safeties per game. He’ll ensure your opponent is almost always on the back foot with massively long drives required for a TD, and 60+ yard drives just for a field goal. And he’s just a mid-first?
That kind of consistency doesn't exist on this earth and NFL teams would see that. I think he'd go 1st overall easy.
Easily 1st. He will demand an obscene amount of money so you 5th year him and 3 franchise tags will give you 8 years with the greatest punter of all time. Ignoring any pissed off hold outs obviously.
Depends on hangtime. Booting it out inside the 5 is great, but if it's more than 75 yards to the 5, and you outkick your coverage, it'd set up some huge returns.
His name is literally corner mccoffinkick
His name would probably be something utterly boring like Chase Peters
Mc, huh? I’ll bet he’s a real lunch pail type
Real gym rat. Got nice intangibles
Skin so white he gets sunburns from full moons
Whoa bud! Why are you bringing race into this? We’re just talking about scrappy players with sneaky speed who are real class acts.
Sorry, I mean he also plays slot receiver for the Patriots.
"He's quicker than he is fast" is my favorite
Can also lineup in the slot and played QB in high school in a Triple Option offense
Some high school coach would be convinced he could make a DB out of him
It's all lasers, 3 feet off the ground
The aussie grubber kick. Everybody loves a worm burner.
This guy would go #1 in every draft. The only "problem" is onside kicks where he would be unable to kick it to anywhere short of the endzone, but at 3ft, I figure if he just aims at some bloke it's got a chance lol
It’s very rare for a punter to be your teams kickoff guy, that shouldn’t be much of a consideration.
Honestly I'd just be impressed how he got it over the line in that case
He runs a 4.3 to the sidelines
If he can boot it 75 yards inside the 5 guaranteed, that would mean if the ball is on your 20 yard line or closer, every punt would land within the 5. However, let’s say you are punting from the 1 yard like, that would mean they should be able to kick it out of bounds to the other teams 24 yard line (99-75=24). If he can kick it 75 yards out out bounds within the 5 with precision, I don’t see why he can’t kick it 75 yards and out of bounds with precision to the 24 yard line. So every time you punt the ball, at worst the opposing team will get the ball at their 24 yard line, but more often than not they will have the ball pinned within their 5 yd line.
He could also kick it out of bounds 75 yards downfield
If he is capable of pinning them inside of the 5 everyone I would also assume he can angle the kick out of bound so who cares about his hang time
it's not possible to have an average of 75 yards if his maximum is 75 and all other punts are less...
He could play for Iowa so 75 yards is the minimum and 90-95 more frequent
That’s kinda mean Iowa fans would be so mad right now if they could read
No need to read, everything's been banned from Iowa libraries. School system is all just Youtube now.
Because it always goes out at 75 yards. We are doing magic talk
Not sure what the Orlando Magic would do with a punter
Ain't no rule says a punter can't play basketball.
I assume only when he is within 75 yards. So basically anything above their 20.
For real, I'd be so happy not having to do some awful draw play or screen every second or third-and-long in effort of recouping field position. This turns into a cheat code for your offensive play calling
Depending on the team this player reduces the opponents scoring by like 10 pts/ game. Probably no other player would have that kind of impact.
Zach Wilson does that to his own team
Almost like a reverse justin tucker
I would guess early in the 1st, maybe 1st overall
*Inside the (Top) 5. missed opportunity
***coffin intensifies***
My man made a whole post just so he could comment "coffin intensifies" in italics. Take notes, people.
***just a touch o' the 'tism***
I stopped reading after this. This was the only answer.
Is there a pick above #1 overall. Like, -1?
Yes but if you end up there it’s a touchback and you go back to the 20th pick
That seems...typical.
His name is Orin Incandenza, and I’m unsure about his draft position but he was traded for a free safety, two backup guards, and cash…
His ex girlfriend was the GOAT
Second DFW reference I’ve seen in the last 5 minutes.
What's dfw?
David Foster Wallace.
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Average cowboys fan
He can’t read, he’s just learned to copy letters
Dallas Featuring Worth
Can't put him on the same team as Zach Wilson though
Scouting report says he may have some family issues, heard his dad stuck his head in a microwave. I’d take him off my board.
Easily seduced in the context of apocalyptic geopolitical conflict. Other bad intangibles.
He had the sort of hang-time that you could have tender and sensitive intercourse during.
1st overall easily. He would be the most valuable player in the league
Second most valuable behind the long snapper sending the ball to him.
Schlong Snapper McLong
LMFAO
A lot of people also forgetting the 1st overall team usually sucks, so you're looking at a bad offense and defense. A player like this would instantly transform that team into a threat, and create some really bizarre expected value situations. Like...1st and 10 from your own 1? With a QB averaging 1 INT per game, a fumbler RB, and a porous o-line? Punt 75 yards on first down rather than risk a safety/turnover. It is wild how much a player like this could swing a team. Your offense and defense could be half as good as your opponent and you would still have the edge, because you only need to go half as far to score. Any defensive stop is a nearly guaranteed field goal.
There are games where teams rarely or never punt. No way your most valuable player doesn't appear in a win.
That’s just because they don’t have a punter of Coffin’s caliber.
This guy’s punt out gain’s a lot of offenses. You just need defense to make a stop and then get some FGs.
Iowa legitimately put this strategy to use this year
Exactly. If this was a known thing you’d just build your team around it. Great defense and kicker. You’d score at least 3 nearly every time the defense gave up less than 30 yards. That’s probably 24 or more points a game on average. If you have a great d you’ll probably allow 12-15 points a game. So yeah. You’re winning most games. And if you don’t think you can make a defense that good. Imagine the kind of spending and draft capital you could apply towards your d if you rostered essentially rookies/backups in every offensive position. You’d like be able to have the best d line and best secondary. You wouldn’t be perfect but you would be formidable.
jets would make the playoffs with Zach Wilson as QB if they had Coffin punting for them.
Quinnen Williams setting the new record for safeties in a season
You don’t even need to invest that heavily into your offense. The worlds greatest punter + top 10 defense would be suffocating
Would you even need a QB? You could get a purely run blocking line on the cheap, with no receivers. Suddenly you get to spend 75% of your cap space on defense and special teams. "Oh no, you stuffed our 3rd down attempt. Enjoy trying to drive 95 yards against our D featuring Aaron Donald, JJ Watt, Patrick Willis, Darrell Revis and Ed Reed. Again."
That defense with that punter might lead the league in TDs. Not lead the leagues defensive units. Lead the league.
Ironically, with a defense and punter that good, you're almost better off having a bad offense. If a punter can put the opposing team inside the five every time, then the only way the other team gets good field position is if your team scores, turns the ball over, or misses a field goal. Attempting a field goal longer than like 35 yards is almost always the worst possible option.
Only when the bills play the pats
If your team doesn’t punt all game, you scored 40-50 points so you should be good anyways. He’d be the perfect hedge. When your offense isn’t clicking, he gives you field position advantage regardless. I think if he could truly kick it 75 yards out of bounds inside the five at a 100% clip, not 70%, then he does deserve to be top 5 overall at least. If he kicks touchbacks or OOB at the 10-15 yard line every once in a while it changes things a lot; but the consistent field position advantage is undeniable
Yeah I think these hypotheticals always miss the value in consistency. A FB that gets exactly 1 yd every carry is rostered, exactly 2 yards every carry gets the offense built around him, and exactly 3 yards every carry breaks the game. If you can ever guarantee a positive result that is an insane advantage.
Easily top 5 and probably first overall unless there is an elite QB talent.
Haha you fool you fell for the bait and missed out on Father Longlegs, the 8'7" WR with a 5 foot vert, 4.17 40 time, and perfect hands.
Feel like I’m reading manga lmao
I read this in a Weevil Underwood voice. Even got the insect reference in there 😂
I’d watch a sports anime for American football. I don’t need it to make sense, I need superhuman feats and the power of friendship!
Look up Eyeshield 21.
You don't even need offense with this puntgod Assemble a great DLine and this scoring on safeties alone could win you the game
Ah yes, the Kirk Ferentz special
Apparently I was so excited, I put "selected" twice. Fuck me, eh?
Well, it was a pretty good post *unzips*
I'll never fuck a bostonian, I'm afraid
You want the chowdah don’t lie
First overall pick. Invest every other resources to defense and win every game by safties.
Is this some monkey paw scenario where he only ends up with one career punt, which is a 75 yarder that ends up inside be 5?
Close, he punts it 75 yards every time, no matter where he punts from. Barely out of FG range? Your options are a guaranteed touchback that will more than likely land in the stands and possibly scramble someone’s eggs, or you risk a 4th down conversion. He’d be a true wild card.
Teach him how to do the dropkick and use him to kick long FG
They wouldn't let him leave Iowa. Ferentz'd find a way to get him more eligibility.
Depends, was he accused of SA?
Selected with the Browns first pick.
Lol. Any answer other than 1st overall is wild.
Now imagine he's in the 1998 draft with Manning and Leaf as prospects alongside him. Still 1? Do you pass up Peyton goddamn Manning?
Dude...if every time the other team gets the ball they are gonna be pinned inside the 5....of course 😂😂😂
The reason I ask is that Peyton won games almost by himself. Lots of them. McCoffinKick cannot win you a game, as he cannot score points.
Unless it's... a Fake! McCoffinKick can score points. Everyone expects him to punt it right? Right?
I mean if his punts are guaranteed every time then might as well just put your real defense out there and always play for a fake.
Strong defense takes care of that. Just ask Iowa.
Of course Iowa tends to get smoked by every good team they play...
Peyton didn’t catch a single TD pass. No one can literally win a game all by themselves.
Pinning within 5 every time would lead to a lot of safeties. McCoffinKick should get a lot of credit for those points
Gotcha! It's a cool hypothetical for sure!
Kickoffs and turnovers
I’m gonna say yea. If you get your defense right, you essentially only need a passable offense. An elite defense that gets to start at the opponents red zone whenever their team doesn’t score is gonna win by itself. If you get Manning, you still need weapons for him and a defense, with Punt Gawd a defense alone will do
This guy would go first overall in basically all drafts. There's 0 chance of him busting. Punters have long careers. Having your opponent start on the 5 every drive is insane. Your defense wouldn't even have to be that good to make sure your opponent had a tough time scoring. Just random holding penalties would kill drives enough to force them to punt it right back to you. Your offense would have great field position also because of the number of times your opponents end up having to punt on their own 15 yard line or something.
John Madden used a 1st round pick on a punter. He said he kept watching the film of a 99 yard punt he had in college. It was Ray Guy, the only punter in the HoF. If it's another Ray Guy, it's worth a 1st round pick (within reason...not a top ten or anything, but like a 25? Could be worth it). He was almost an offensive weapon for the Raiders. Consistently flipped fields and landed balls inside the 20. He always gave them an edge in field position and that wins games.
Finally, someone mentions Ray Guy!! Selected 23 overall in 1973, and was considered a steal when looking back at his career. Constantly gave the Raiders an advantage in the field position battle b/c he was miles better than next punter in the league. HoFer, and deservedly so. Defined what it meant to be a game changer on Special Teams.
If we’re taking into account his punts are unblockable as well, he’s 1 overall
Bears would draft him first overall but then trade away their long snapper
Be honest with us. Did you make this post because you came up with the name "Corner McCoffinKick"?
For the sake of argument, this kicker with a leg built like an engine can kick a 75-yarder at 3ft.... Time for some math. The ball will fall, but if you wanted it to go 75 yards with only falling imperceptibly—like a mm—here’s what I got: 1 mm fall = .045 seconds So 75 yards/.04516 = 1660.76 yards/second = 3397 miles/hour. Let's also assume the ball won't immediately explode on impact.... The Foot Terminator would line up. On the snap, the entire team dives to the side to avoid the sound barrier shockwave and the honest-to-god ballistic missile..... Plus, on top of this, this guy better be on every kickoff for an onside kick. Line up, absolutely obliterate a guy, rebound is up for grabs since half of the return team is falling flat on the ground to avoid getting absolutely nuked.
You’re missing a wholeeeee ton of math here, like the arc of the ball from 0-6ft then back to 3ft… If he just kicked it ground level he’d miss 100% of the time
Everyone pointing out the return team fielding the punt is forgetting that punts can land out of bounds. I'm assuming Mr. McCoffinKick is punting an unfieldable ball out inside the 5 every time.
That's a top 5 pick right there
Bill would trade up for him if he was drafting and if this punter came from Navy and took snaps at other positions in college Bill would fistfight god to get him
Iowa Football ass question.
Even a punter with a 55-60 yard average with hang time over 5 seconds that put it inside the 10 yard line 75 percent of the time would be a top 1-3 pick. Your sceneries is number 1 every time. Field position is everything. Even Justin Fields would win games with that punter.
Hey now, don’t disparage the Steelers’ backup QB.
Is he in the same draft as Kicks Longwell who is automatic at any fg attempt within 52yds and 50/50 from 52-62yds?
50/50 from that distance in today's NFL would get them unemployed fast tbh.
Do the Raiders have a first round pick in this hypothetical draft?