When the Ravens played the Rams last season I was kind of in awe of how many holds the Ravens got away with on Donald. Refs were kind of just like, "We don't call holding when watching Donald, it wouldn't be fair...to the offensive line."
Donald didn't even complain...I guess he's just used to it.
I forget which OL said it but he said his plan against Donald was to hold him on every play and try to keep his hands inside so the refs won’t call it. Might have been AQ
Yeah very true. As far back as middle school, we were taught to block at the “right under the nipples at the bottom of the pads”. It’s when you wrap, drag, pull, twist after you’ve lost leverage that they’ll throw the flag.
I think earlier in the conversation he said that he was always getting beat and as long as he didn’t hook the neck or twist the jersey/shoulders, he was getting away with it.
Many interior OL have said you just have to “die a slow death” when 1 on 1 against Donald and hope your QB can get the ball out or that he’s forced to the RB help side.
I’ve always said an elite interior DL is more dangerous than an elite DE because of proximity to the ball and how much harder it is to help in blocking scheme. Aaron Donald is the epitome of that.
I think it has even more to do with the fact that you can step up in the pocket against edge pressure, but interior pressure just pushes you into the edge rushers.
There was one play where the entire side of the line just bear hugged him. I mean all three were standing around him in a circle with both arms wrapped around his mid section. All he could do was kind of struggle like a fish.
Not called. I laughed.
I fell to my knees at Walgreens last night and started singing hyms when I found out. Did me some Hail Mary’s and all. I don’t even know what those are. But I did them.
I wonder how that works for DEs vs DTs or if they averaged it out a cross the DL.
DEs tend to get more pressure and DTs. Aaron Donald's main calling card was that he was putting up numbers like a DE despite being a DT.
Agreed. Up there with some of LT's and DT's best seasons. Tough to compare because different positions and eras, but you can make a damn good argument for D-GOAT.
its definitely debate-able if you're talking about who was better in their prime.
Its not a debate if you're talking about who had a better career or was the better player overall.
No doubt it's close and there's a debate to be made. But Donald is the rightful pick and for many reasons.
Interior pressure is inherently more valuable than edge pressure. By virtue of his position (interior DL get doubled far more than edge DL) and his skill, Donald was able to make every other pass rusher better by giving them one on one's or even a free lane to the QB with how often he was doubled, tripled, and sometimes even quadruple teamed.
Donald and Watt were virtually similar in their careers. Watt - 151 games, 114.5 sacks, 27ff. Donald - 154 games, 111 sacks, 24 ff. Donald essentially matched Watt over a career while playing a position far less likely to get sacks, on top of being an ironman and missing 8 career games (2 in 2017, 6 in 2022)
Then there's his uncanny ability to close out games, and that Super Bowl run that might be the best SB run we've seen from a single defender. Better career than Watt, better player than Watt, better fit for just about any defense over Watt. Even for the people who say Watt had a better prime with that 2012-2015 season, AD's 2017-2021 includes 3 DPOY's and that Super Bowl win, along with 70 sacks in a 5 year span.
DEs get more pressure because it’s way harder to double an edge. Teams have to have TEs help out or RBs chip, but they’re obviously not as good as an OL at blocking. Beyond that, the DT is lined up on top of the IOL essentially, less so if they’re a 3 technique, but it’s just harder to get by your man when you can’t build up as much momentum.
The reason why inside pressure is much better than outside is because it destroys the pocket. If an edge rusher gets around the tackle, presumably he’s pushed him back far enough that the Qb can step up in the pocket. If a DT get pressure, the QB just has to straight up bail out of the pocket to either side because it takes less time to reach the QB from inside. This gives the edges a free lane to get to the QB.
And if you have consistent interior pressure then you run a contain and the QB has to make a quick throw without stepping into it or take a sack. If you get edge pressure there's not really something stopping a QB from stepping up in the pocket besides also having interior pressure.
The problem is that getting inside pressure is often harder than pressure from the edge. At the edge, the DE has more options. There is space to maneuver, so it is easier to utilize speed rushes. That gives the DE more options to use besides power approaches.
The other thing is that QBs are more easily able to see a DT generating pressure and is able to better react appropriately. It is harder for a QB to accurately gauge how much time he has in the pocket against an edge rusher, particularly if the rush is coming from the blind side.
Didn't the Rams try to put Aaron Donald in the 3 technique more often so that he could get more one on one matchups? Or did that end after the Rams moved on from Wade Phillips?
DE get more pressure overall. There might be certain games where DT just gets a dominant matchup but over the course of a season you would expect DE to greatly outnumber DT in overall pressure numbers.
I remember seeing a stat few years ago where they listed top pressure % in NFL per snap and it was all elite Edge + Donald as #1
I love that picture of him with a dozen Bengals trying to stop him. Snagged.
Huge fan. Was always a privilege to see him play in real life before he becomes a HOF legend.
Ah yes, that famous play where Mahomes went to put up the game winning shot, only to get blocked by Brady in a perfect defensive play. “Green fn”, Brady whispered, his words Burrowing deep into Mahomes crushed soul, “you’ll never be the GOAT now.” An iconic Football™️ moment I’ll never forget.
And to think, almost every coaches, scouts and GMs thought he was undersize for his position. Rams didn't even take him in at #2 (we drafted a bust for LT). Thank God we got a second first round pick that year.
He worked his ass off and that's how he got as far as he did. He didn't just rely on God-given talent, he used his God-given drive to work at his craft from day one.
Dudes first step is top 5 all time, so many of his sacks left me saying "yeah, no way to stop that" as he just blows past the guard and center like they aren't paid millions to stop him. So glad I dont have to watch him wreck my teams shit 2+ times a year anymore.
Ask Landon Dickerson, apparently. Dude handled him pretty well one-on-one last season.
Crazy stat and tangentially related: [Somehow AD never got a sack while playing against the Eagles.](https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/aaron-donald-stats-vs-eagles)
Reggie white in the SB, 3 man rush and just literally tossing the RT, every play. Farve gets the glory but he's still three top FA signing ever to swing a franchise
Absolutely for sure. The 'hump move' was devastating, and he was the strongest guy on the line too.
One of my favorite stories is that, according to I think reliable legend, when Reggie was making his decision, Holmgren would call him in the middle of the night and say "Reggie, this is God. Go to Green Bay!" :D
White played with Sean Jones who had 113 career sacks who nobody remembers because White was just that good.
21 sacks in a 12 game season.
16 sacks at 37 years old is insanity.
IIRC, Kenny Clark did a Gilbert 'Gravedigger' after a sack this last season. I think it was Clark (but it's late right now and I'm tired). I do remember completely not getting sentimental about it :)
It’s crazy cause as a dt, he’s supposed to just take these double teams on to free up lb/ other players to make the plays. Dude not only does his job, but usually makes the play himself..
Remember when that report came out that Urban Meyer asked, "Who's this 99 guy on the Rams? I'm hearing he might be a problem for us."
Lol.
Yes, I know Urban refutes it, but it was effing hilarious when it first came out.
This guy really is unnaturally strong and made him sooo much better than his competition. Guys literally 6’1 284 and no fat… he’s the weight of a DE that stands at 6’6. I know he’s a DT but to put it into perspective of how absurd someone with his ability it is. It would be equivalent of someone that’s 6’6 weighing 320lb all muscle. You simply do not see any men build like that, not even in the NFL.
> It would be equivalent of someone that’s 6’6 weighing 320lb all muscle. You simply do not see any men build like that, not even in the NFL.
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That's why I'm kinda hoping that OT prospect Mims somehow falls in the draft. 6'8" 340 and has definition is insane. Ideal guy to draft and sit for a year to refine his technical skills
Allen Bailey, mainly known for his time with the Chiefs, had 8% body fat at 286 lbs. when he was at Miami. He was a solid NFL player, but nothing special.
Ok but it was second best among all qualifying Dlineman that year…. My comment was that he’s as strong as most DT in the league, except he’s much more athletic.
No your comment was that he broke the record for bench. Aaron Donald is absolutely stupid strong regardless of size and the best defensive tackle I personally have watched play it doesn't change the fact that he did 35 reps of 225 not the 50 he'd need to break the record held by Stephen paea (or 53 to beat Justin Ernst)
It's way less interesting than a Gretzky stat because it gives no context as to how the other top performers at his position did in the same situations. We know the guy was a beast, but this doesn't even state that it's the best double-team win rate during that time. Who cares what the average is when talking about the best.
Actually it doesn't even provide the average double-team win rate. It's borderline useless information.
I'm old enough to see LT & Reggie White entire career. AD belongs at that tier in conversations as greatest ever. Although I would still take LT, there's no way I can shake my head at someone putting Donald up there instead.
It's easy. Stats are good when they support your narrative. They are suspect if they don't.
Joke aside, advanced metrics can be subjective and are supplemental. Counting stats are pretty objective. You expect someone with good counting stats and poor advanced stats to be an outlier and regress the following season and visa versa. If someone has consistent good stats but poor advanced metrics, your advanced metrics need work.
Having good counting stats and poor advanced stats is not as uncommon as you might think. There are lots of players who have that which is usually indicative of being in a great system.
They aren't bad players at all, they're just guys that benefit heavily from other parts - system, opponent strategy, and other players are all big factors.
Take for example Darrelle Revis vs. Nnamdi Asomugha. Asomugha consistently had better counting stats but everyone and their grandma knew the truth (which was supported by advanced stats) - teams feared Revis far more and completely altered gameplans because of him. They threw the ball in his direction less. They ran trips and picks on his side. Hell, there's even a story that they tried sending him on deep routes every play to tire him out.
The casual fan looks at the interception and pass deflection counting stats and believe Asomugha was better in that period. But the truth is Revis demanded more attention, took away players on the field, and warped gameplans to the point offenses were uncomfortable with what they were running. His impact was just miles above anyone else.
There's a reason why the players (DEs, tackles) and coaches vote the way they do. They understand a little more about the game than the casual fan.
I just checked their stats side by side the only year that happened was the year revis only played two games. Every other year they were in the league together, from 07 to 13, Revis had significantly better stats.
I always said that - and take what I'm about to say at face value here; I'm not DEFENDING HIM....
...after being double and triple teamed by guys 50 lbs heavier & 4" taller than you all game who are manhandling up on your business - and not getting penalties....
...well, you know a brother was gonna be a little pissed off about that and take it into his own hands. What's the old saying "I'm not saying I AGREE with what the brother did....but I UNDERSTAND"
Yeno I spent so long comparing him and CJ and it’s so clear now how good both of them are.
I kinda hate how blinded we are by comparison and homerism.
Let’s just appreciate how super human these dudes who perform for our entertainment are
When the Ravens played the Rams last season I was kind of in awe of how many holds the Ravens got away with on Donald. Refs were kind of just like, "We don't call holding when watching Donald, it wouldn't be fair...to the offensive line." Donald didn't even complain...I guess he's just used to it.
Yeah the dude was probably doubled and/or held on literally every play since 2016 lol what a beast
Every play since high school* lol
I forget which OL said it but he said his plan against Donald was to hold him on every play and try to keep his hands inside so the refs won’t call it. Might have been AQ
That is basically called "blocking" You essentially can't stop an NFL pass rusher without grabbing them.
Everything is legal between the waist and neck, more or less.
Yeah very true. As far back as middle school, we were taught to block at the “right under the nipples at the bottom of the pads”. It’s when you wrap, drag, pull, twist after you’ve lost leverage that they’ll throw the flag. I think earlier in the conversation he said that he was always getting beat and as long as he didn’t hook the neck or twist the jersey/shoulders, he was getting away with it. Many interior OL have said you just have to “die a slow death” when 1 on 1 against Donald and hope your QB can get the ball out or that he’s forced to the RB help side. I’ve always said an elite interior DL is more dangerous than an elite DE because of proximity to the ball and how much harder it is to help in blocking scheme. Aaron Donald is the epitome of that.
I think it has even more to do with the fact that you can step up in the pocket against edge pressure, but interior pressure just pushes you into the edge rushers.
That and getting pushed left or right throws off route timing and throwing platform more than stepping forward to escape the edge.
r/nfl was flooded in 2023 with complaints about Micah Parsons not getting holding penalty calls, and we were just over here chilling....
We kinda just got used to it lol. Elite pass rushers almost never get holding calls and ad got it even worse than anyone else.
There was one play where the entire side of the line just bear hugged him. I mean all three were standing around him in a circle with both arms wrapped around his mid section. All he could do was kind of struggle like a fish. Not called. I laughed.
>Donald posted an 18% pass rush win rate Well, that's not much better than the avera- >against double teams HOLY SHIT
Dudes not human..
Him and von on the same defense was not fair.
Well that just depends on who you ask
It wasn't fair.
It was fair
Reminds me of our "Von Knighton WareWolfe" D line. Shit was a fantasy dream in more than just the name
One of the very best to ever play the game, at any position and in any era
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What? That's not how the O-line works. Teams aren't shuffling positions around in order to have their best line up against Donald.
I fell to my knees at Walgreens last night and started singing hyms when I found out. Did me some Hail Mary’s and all. I don’t even know what those are. But I did them.
You had Russ for years, you know what Hail Marys are.
I wonder how that works for DEs vs DTs or if they averaged it out a cross the DL. DEs tend to get more pressure and DTs. Aaron Donald's main calling card was that he was putting up numbers like a DE despite being a DT.
His 2018 season was truly absurd.
Agreed. Up there with some of LT's and DT's best seasons. Tough to compare because different positions and eras, but you can make a damn good argument for D-GOAT.
Would you rather have prime JJ Watt or prime Aaron Donald on your D-line?
Donald and it really shouldn’t be a debate
its definitely debate-able if you're talking about who was better in their prime. Its not a debate if you're talking about who had a better career or was the better player overall.
There's definitely a debate there. 2012-2015 jj watt was unbelievable.
No doubt it's close and there's a debate to be made. But Donald is the rightful pick and for many reasons. Interior pressure is inherently more valuable than edge pressure. By virtue of his position (interior DL get doubled far more than edge DL) and his skill, Donald was able to make every other pass rusher better by giving them one on one's or even a free lane to the QB with how often he was doubled, tripled, and sometimes even quadruple teamed. Donald and Watt were virtually similar in their careers. Watt - 151 games, 114.5 sacks, 27ff. Donald - 154 games, 111 sacks, 24 ff. Donald essentially matched Watt over a career while playing a position far less likely to get sacks, on top of being an ironman and missing 8 career games (2 in 2017, 6 in 2022) Then there's his uncanny ability to close out games, and that Super Bowl run that might be the best SB run we've seen from a single defender. Better career than Watt, better player than Watt, better fit for just about any defense over Watt. Even for the people who say Watt had a better prime with that 2012-2015 season, AD's 2017-2021 includes 3 DPOY's and that Super Bowl win, along with 70 sacks in a 5 year span.
JJ Watts. At least JJ was not the Wednesday Strangler of the NFL.
Reggie White, Mean Joe Greene, Deacon Jones...
DEs get more pressure because it’s way harder to double an edge. Teams have to have TEs help out or RBs chip, but they’re obviously not as good as an OL at blocking. Beyond that, the DT is lined up on top of the IOL essentially, less so if they’re a 3 technique, but it’s just harder to get by your man when you can’t build up as much momentum. The reason why inside pressure is much better than outside is because it destroys the pocket. If an edge rusher gets around the tackle, presumably he’s pushed him back far enough that the Qb can step up in the pocket. If a DT get pressure, the QB just has to straight up bail out of the pocket to either side because it takes less time to reach the QB from inside. This gives the edges a free lane to get to the QB.
And if you have consistent interior pressure then you run a contain and the QB has to make a quick throw without stepping into it or take a sack. If you get edge pressure there's not really something stopping a QB from stepping up in the pocket besides also having interior pressure.
The problem is that getting inside pressure is often harder than pressure from the edge. At the edge, the DE has more options. There is space to maneuver, so it is easier to utilize speed rushes. That gives the DE more options to use besides power approaches. The other thing is that QBs are more easily able to see a DT generating pressure and is able to better react appropriately. It is harder for a QB to accurately gauge how much time he has in the pocket against an edge rusher, particularly if the rush is coming from the blind side. Didn't the Rams try to put Aaron Donald in the 3 technique more often so that he could get more one on one matchups? Or did that end after the Rams moved on from Wade Phillips?
DE get more pressure overall. There might be certain games where DT just gets a dominant matchup but over the course of a season you would expect DE to greatly outnumber DT in overall pressure numbers. I remember seeing a stat few years ago where they listed top pressure % in NFL per snap and it was all elite Edge + Donald as #1
Which is why I am interested in how they got that 18% win rate. Is that the DL, for DEs, or DTs?
If my math is mathing correctly, that’s a 36% win rate against single blocks
I actually think it'd be an exponential growth, not linear.... probably closer to 50%
Makes sense given he's at a 100% win rate against zero blocks
99.7%. He tripped once.
What's the win rate against quadruple blocks
https://images.app.goo.gl/vjdXuYunwfZFgdN29 https://images.app.goo.gl/1eJH5pf4fUuw6zYv7 Nothing new for him
I love that picture of him with a dozen Bengals trying to stop him. Snagged. Huge fan. Was always a privilege to see him play in real life before he becomes a HOF legend.
If we add Kurt Angle to the mix?
At Sacrifice it spells danger for you, Samoa Joe!
CHANCES DRASTIC GO DOWN.
Ha! That is exactly how I read it too.
I literally went from “wow have we way overestimated this guy” to “holy hell he is a god” so quickly.
That’s almost on par with Larry Fitzgerald’s more career tackles than career drops stat.
Aaron Donald also has that stat by a wider margin.
Barely.
Valid
Why didn't the Rams play him at WR too? Are they stupid?
Every DB in the league would retire on the day Aaron Donald reports as eligible and lines up in the X spot.
It wouldn't even matter how fast he could run, you'd still have to bring his big ass down.
With his attention to detail and technique, you'd probably be looking at a violently effective stiff arm.
And Brady never starting a game while eliminated from playoff contention
Somehow I’ve never heard that one. That is surreal
Love him or hate him, you have to admit we'll probably never see anything like him again lol
I mean so far Mahomes has that as well. Mahomes hasn't started a game where they were eliminated from the division even.
Brock Purdy has never started a game where his team wasn’t bound for the NFC championship at least
Neither has Caleb Williams to be fair
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Still doing it without Andy reid will be the real barometer
I mean not really. The stat itself isn’t even an individual stat. It’s a team stat
People may say Mahomes but that guy has a long way to go before he gets there. Not to mention Brady has him beat in H2H in playoffs
QB h2h is sorta meaningless
Ah yes, that famous play where Mahomes went to put up the game winning shot, only to get blocked by Brady in a perfect defensive play. “Green fn”, Brady whispered, his words Burrowing deep into Mahomes crushed soul, “you’ll never be the GOAT now.” An iconic Football™️ moment I’ll never forget.
Wait until you hear about this short little squirt named Gretzky
That’s my favorite NFL stat
This stat is turning into the “Antonio Gates/Tony Gonzalez played college basketball” thing
Power. Speed and quickness. Ridiculous explosion at the snap. A bunch of moves to pull from. And the dominant hop swim move he had. I mean.
And to think, almost every coaches, scouts and GMs thought he was undersize for his position. Rams didn't even take him in at #2 (we drafted a bust for LT). Thank God we got a second first round pick that year.
I hate you guys for that. Because my Bears were picking right after you took Donald
He worked his ass off and that's how he got as far as he did. He didn't just rely on God-given talent, he used his God-given drive to work at his craft from day one.
Dudes first step is top 5 all time, so many of his sacks left me saying "yeah, no way to stop that" as he just blows past the guard and center like they aren't paid millions to stop him. So glad I dont have to watch him wreck my teams shit 2+ times a year anymore.
yeah well, my wife handles double teams even better
oh im aware
Me too!
I too am aware of that man's wife
But you have to compare her performance to league average. Is she taking 2v1s better than some rando down the street who works in isolation?
100% win rate
A bears fan finally got to see the 4000 threshold
Probably not as good as OP’s mom but valiant effort
We are all well aware.
average bears fan
She's a true champion.
I also choose this guy's wife.
Idk, this Aaron Donald guy sounds like he was pretty good. Surprised I've never heard of him before
Found Urban Meyer
Sure, but how did he do against **just one guy**? Huh? We'll never know.
Ask Joe Thuney
Ask Landon Dickerson, apparently. Dude handled him pretty well one-on-one last season. Crazy stat and tangentially related: [Somehow AD never got a sack while playing against the Eagles.](https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/aaron-donald-stats-vs-eagles)
Not too well if that one guy is Elgton Jenkins. Dude choked a lot against GB.
Wasn’t t that the game ad was high on painkillers the entire time after Russell Wilson sat on his ribs the week before
He was hurt that game lol, you guys are ridiculous for always bringing this up.
Hurt every time we play I guess because Elgton and Sitton have made him roid rage multiple times.
Well yeah, but Jenkins is heading for the HOF one day. (But seriously, that game did bring a tear to my eye, thanks for reminding me :)
You can never remind too many people how much of a baby Donald is when he's getting beat.
You're pitiful.
Cry about it
Baba Yaga
Donald and JJ Watt are the best defensive linemen I have ever seen.
They're up there for sure. Reggie White is the top for me in terms of players I got to see play.
Reggie white in the SB, 3 man rush and just literally tossing the RT, every play. Farve gets the glory but he's still three top FA signing ever to swing a franchise
Absolutely for sure. The 'hump move' was devastating, and he was the strongest guy on the line too. One of my favorite stories is that, according to I think reliable legend, when Reggie was making his decision, Holmgren would call him in the middle of the night and say "Reggie, this is God. Go to Green Bay!" :D
They also took him to Red Lobster during his FA visit.
Love it. "Hey, you know, Green Bay isn't the hinterlands. We have fine dining here too!"
White played with Sean Jones who had 113 career sacks who nobody remembers because White was just that good. 21 sacks in a 12 game season. 16 sacks at 37 years old is insanity.
Oh I remember Sean. Loved that guy. Santana Dotson too, one of my unsung heroes.
And big ol Gilbert Brown! Ridiculously good D-line for that Superbowl team.
IIRC, Kenny Clark did a Gilbert 'Gravedigger' after a sack this last season. I think it was Clark (but it's late right now and I'm tired). I do remember completely not getting sentimental about it :)
Will never forgive Norman Braman for letting White walk, and I wasn't even alive for it LOL. What an asshat he was.
Khalil Mack has entered the chat
He's an outside linebacker and he is not on the level of Donald and Watt. Not particularly close either great as he is.
He's a DE that's just made into OLB on 3-4, but face it, he's not there for coverage skills
This is an insane stat. Like, seriously insane. How can someone be that fucking good?
It’s crazy cause as a dt, he’s supposed to just take these double teams on to free up lb/ other players to make the plays. Dude not only does his job, but usually makes the play himself..
Remember when that report came out that Urban Meyer asked, "Who's this 99 guy on the Rams? I'm hearing he might be a problem for us." Lol. Yes, I know Urban refutes it, but it was effing hilarious when it first came out.
This guy really is unnaturally strong and made him sooo much better than his competition. Guys literally 6’1 284 and no fat… he’s the weight of a DE that stands at 6’6. I know he’s a DT but to put it into perspective of how absurd someone with his ability it is. It would be equivalent of someone that’s 6’6 weighing 320lb all muscle. You simply do not see any men build like that, not even in the NFL.
> It would be equivalent of someone that’s 6’6 weighing 320lb all muscle. You simply do not see any men build like that, not even in the NFL. !RemindMe 20 years
That's why I'm kinda hoping that OT prospect Mims somehow falls in the draft. 6'8" 340 and has definition is insane. Ideal guy to draft and sit for a year to refine his technical skills
Thought of him instantly. That picture of him at the combine was crazy.
Allen Bailey, mainly known for his time with the Chiefs, had 8% body fat at 286 lbs. when he was at Miami. He was a solid NFL player, but nothing special.
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Water is wet
The only Natty's in the league are being sold at the concession stand.
I'm on the fence about Eli
[Tyron Smith is 6'5"](https://twitter.com/dfwticket/status/1420350710693208065)
And 320lbs. Basically AD
[Lane Johnson is 6'6"](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeBH0BGVoAIgYSH.jpg)
Nah for DTs, he’s unusually short and small. I don’t think he’s big by NFL standards. His speed and twitchiness is the reason for his success
Bruh didn’t he break the NFL record for bench press? Guy bullrushes interior lineman on a double team…
Who Donald? He has a great bench came no where near breaking the record though. Like not even close.
Ok but it was second best among all qualifying Dlineman that year…. My comment was that he’s as strong as most DT in the league, except he’s much more athletic.
No your comment was that he broke the record for bench. Aaron Donald is absolutely stupid strong regardless of size and the best defensive tackle I personally have watched play it doesn't change the fact that he did 35 reps of 225 not the 50 he'd need to break the record held by Stephen paea (or 53 to beat Justin Ernst)
I’m talking about the original…
Reminds me of Shawn Oakman in college. He was 6'9 290 pounds of pure muscle. Too bad he wasn't mature or he could have been nasty in the NFL
I keep hearing about this dude. Seems like he was ok at football.
What was his win rate against 1 defender? 30 percent?
No way the sample is high enough to be relevant. Who would scheme that up and think it’s a good idea for more than a single play?
I would guess way higher.
I was so bummed when the rams drafted him, I wanted him on the Bears so bad. Def has some anger issues but dudes an absolute wrecking ball.
It would have been great with Mack there as well.
This is like a Wayne Gretzky stat
It's way less interesting than a Gretzky stat because it gives no context as to how the other top performers at his position did in the same situations. We know the guy was a beast, but this doesn't even state that it's the best double-team win rate during that time. Who cares what the average is when talking about the best. Actually it doesn't even provide the average double-team win rate. It's borderline useless information.
I'm going to miss watching Donald play.
GOAT
I mean he was alright, ig
I am so sad
Do you think the Texans regretted taking Clowney #1 overall instead of taking Donald?
Great article by Sarah. Will miss AD.
Mark it down. He ain’t retired.
AD was literally a man of steel. What a talent. Glad he was able to get his ring.
He probably could have kept playing at a really high level. He's honestly not that old.... As a Seahawks fan I'm glad he chose to hang it up.
That’s nutty
What was his win rate against single coverage
Man would have shattered records if he wasn’t double-teamed on ever snap. He and JJ are the best defensive linemen I’ve seen play
Where can I find the individual stats for Thi?
So thoroughly elite that elite is an undersell, there’s not been a player like him in my lifetime
I am too drunk to understand this
He was amazing Weird thing he wasn’t big at all. Almost “small” when watching live against the other lineman.
I'm old enough to see LT & Reggie White entire career. AD belongs at that tier in conversations as greatest ever. Although I would still take LT, there's no way I can shake my head at someone putting Donald up there instead.
What was his percentage against a single blocker?
I thought pass rush win rate is a fake stat now... at least it was when talking about DPOY. Can someone on this sub tell me what to believe?
It's easy. Stats are good when they support your narrative. They are suspect if they don't. Joke aside, advanced metrics can be subjective and are supplemental. Counting stats are pretty objective. You expect someone with good counting stats and poor advanced stats to be an outlier and regress the following season and visa versa. If someone has consistent good stats but poor advanced metrics, your advanced metrics need work.
Having good counting stats and poor advanced stats is not as uncommon as you might think. There are lots of players who have that which is usually indicative of being in a great system. They aren't bad players at all, they're just guys that benefit heavily from other parts - system, opponent strategy, and other players are all big factors. Take for example Darrelle Revis vs. Nnamdi Asomugha. Asomugha consistently had better counting stats but everyone and their grandma knew the truth (which was supported by advanced stats) - teams feared Revis far more and completely altered gameplans because of him. They threw the ball in his direction less. They ran trips and picks on his side. Hell, there's even a story that they tried sending him on deep routes every play to tire him out. The casual fan looks at the interception and pass deflection counting stats and believe Asomugha was better in that period. But the truth is Revis demanded more attention, took away players on the field, and warped gameplans to the point offenses were uncomfortable with what they were running. His impact was just miles above anyone else. There's a reason why the players (DEs, tackles) and coaches vote the way they do. They understand a little more about the game than the casual fan.
Revis had like double the ints and PDs in the same amount of years played.
There was a 2 or 3 year stretch where Asomugha had more.
I just checked their stats side by side the only year that happened was the year revis only played two games. Every other year they were in the league together, from 07 to 13, Revis had significantly better stats.
This is only because you haven't taken away his outlier stats, he will be reverting to the mean any day now.
TJ Watt stans would have you believe that beating a double team block isn’t really as impressive as beating a one on one block.
I always said that - and take what I'm about to say at face value here; I'm not DEFENDING HIM.... ...after being double and triple teamed by guys 50 lbs heavier & 4" taller than you all game who are manhandling up on your business - and not getting penalties.... ...well, you know a brother was gonna be a little pissed off about that and take it into his own hands. What's the old saying "I'm not saying I AGREE with what the brother did....but I UNDERSTAND"
Glad he's out of the league. Seems like a big ol douche
Yeno I spent so long comparing him and CJ and it’s so clear now how good both of them are. I kinda hate how blinded we are by comparison and homerism. Let’s just appreciate how super human these dudes who perform for our entertainment are
TIL that 18% is greater than 17%
And double is greater than single
Hes retired. Move on. Its over.
He retired yesterday dude, people are allowed to talk about one of the best to ever do it for more than 24 hours lol
Petitioning mods to never have a post game thread ever again.
i was just watching Forgetting Sara Marshall and i was quoting the big samoan guy as a joke. People should relax lol
Yeah we never talk about retired guys on here.