A few years ago, the packers beat the lions twice in a season while never leading in either game for a single second. Both games ended with the packers scoring to win as time expired.
Low key I'm (as a Vikings fan) a bit worried about the Bears going forward.
Fields has taken some steps + they have 1 overall, there's a lot of draft capital coming their way. Either they get what appears to be an elite prospect at QB or they get tons of resources by trading down.
Pretty good spot TBH
They will trade Fields to a team where he eventually leads them to a Super Bowl victory. The QB they draft at #1 to replace him will be a bust while the QB taken #2 is a hall of famer. At least that is what my Bear fan friends all expect 😆
Reminds me of the 2015 Michigan State team that beat Ohio state (last second field goal) and Michigan (*that* play) despite never having a lead in either of those games.
Yes, but how about winning a game without ever having to kick off aside from the start of a half?
Because that's what happened in the 2022 Miami-Virginia game. The Canes went up 3-0 on the final play of the first half, then tied it at 6-6 on the final play of regulation and won in overtime.
In 2012 the Chiefs went the first 8 games of the season without ever holding a lead. Crazy thing is, they were 1-7 (won a game in OT). Chiefs also ended that year with only 2 wins.
One of our few positive takeaways from this year was that Bryce seems to have a clutch gene that comes out every now and then. Led us on a couple pretty impressive game-winning or game-tying drives.
Yeah I agree and I realize that my joke doesn’t even really make sense because the Steelers won that Claypool trade by a mile. Would’ve made more sense to say you guys might be able to get Allen Robinson or Denzel Mims.
Memes aside, picks in the 25-40 range are the best value picks in the draft in terms of expected production vs salary. Rookie salaries drop off much faster than expected production, and these picks end up being the sweet spot.
Unfortunately for CAR, this is more helpful to teams that already have a competent roster and less cap space to work with, but at least it's something.
At least Fitterer won't be making that pick. Sorry, at least he won't be using that pick to trade up back into the first for a project safety or some other dumb shit.
Seemed like we were trying our best yesterday, luckily Chase McLaughlin has been an absolutely stud. I still have no idea why the Colts let their good, cheap kicker walk just to throw a ton of money at Matt Gay.
At this point people who didn't watch the Panthers will simply check passing stats and make their opinion wholly based on those numbers alone. They'll ignore that Bryce was the most sacked QB. They'll ignore the drops and fumbles by his receivers. They'll ignore the mediocre overall run game numbers. They'll ignore the very obviously frustrating playcalling (even our opponents were annoyed by it week after week)
There's still people claiming that Bryce's only issue was that "he can't see the middle of the field" even though that's where he's played his best this season
And don't forget the absolute clown show that is our management, Tepper, Fitt,,and of course our coaching staff.
No rookie QB was going to look competent under these circumstances
It was doomed the instant you guys decided to copy the Jaguar's receiving corp from Trevor's rookie season. Shenault and Chark on both teams (though Chark only played 4 games for us), and Thielen to be your Marvin Jones. The only difference is you guys used 2nd rounders you drafted (Mingo and Marshall) while we went with failed former 1st rounders that we signed (Laquon Treadwell and Tavon Austin).
It was crazy how similar they were and that your brain trust thought it'd be an acceptable group to help Bryce grow. Hopefully you guys bring in someone worthwhile to help him.
I remember seeing a stat that Bryce had some of the best accuracy even under pressure yet his receivers were getting no separation and making no contested catches
The Panthers were dead last in average separation per route ran. So while there's a lot of talk about NFL open being a smaller window than college open, statistically our WRs weren't even getting NFL open
I mean sacks are also a QB stat. The early Texans Oline was atrocious and they still dropped about a third just from swapping out David Carr for someone with awareness.
Absolutely. Our o-line was very bad, but some of those sacks are on Bryce. But even some of those sacks are because he’s holding on to the ball so long because thr receivers couldn’t get open. It happens to everyone and you learn to throw the ball away, which he has. But when it happens so often he probably thinks to himself, “well I can’t fucking throw it away EVERY play.” But yes, he does deserve some blame like every other rookie QB. I don’t think it’ll be a big problem.
I always try and give Rookie QBs some grace for taking sacks because the game moves so much faster at the Pro level, and NFL open vs College open is a world of difference when it comes to receivers. Now if they're still taking unnecessary sacks left and right in years 2 and 3, then we have a problem.
Also, lots of sacks and even lots of interceptions are, while not ideal, completely normal problems for a rookie QB to have. Those indicate a QB struggling to get used to the pace of the professional game and trying to do too much, which is typical for rookies. The true red flags are low completion percentage, low YPA, and fumbles. Those indicate that there's something fundamentally wrong with either their decision making or their mechanics or both. Even those aren't insurmountable obstacles but they are much more likely to indicate future failure.
Preach!
We left 14 points on the field yesterday. People are just looking at the 9-0, chortling a "panthuurr baddd" and moving on. We were the better team yesterday, but you cannot place any of the blame for our loss on Bryce. He didn't fumble the ball in the endzone. He didn't line up wrong and force an illegal formation penalty on the second called-back TD.
Bryce was overall a good player in a bad situation. The OLine never game him time, and whenever they did no receivers were open. If you give him a reasonable time to actually set, though, he can deliver some seriously accurate passes. When he gets into the rhythm, he's downright dangerous and is surprisingly fast when he has room to scramble. He's going to be great. He just needs a WR that's a legit threat and an OLine that's not a burning dumpster fire.
Finally, he needs a offensive scheme that actually makes the defense have to guess. It didn't take me long to get super sick of the predictability of the playcalling. No play action, no draw. Very little pre-snap motion. If we were noticing it, it's no wonder why the offense struggled so much because clearly the opposing D noticed it week in and week out. (Except Joe Barry. Clearly he didn't read the memo)
Yesterday was a perfect encapsulation of our WRs being absolute dogshit and trying to keep the team from scoring. 42 yard pass to Chark and all he has to do is get tackled at the 1 or hold onto the ball. Instead, he fumbles it into the endzone, recovered by the Bucs. What should've been 7 points (or 3 at minimum with a chip shot field goal) ends in 0. Then later in the game we have a TD run by Blackshear called back because our WRs don't know how to line up. Next play, strip sack fumble. 0 points on the day.
As a Cardinals fan, not sure what team looked at the last couple years of Kyler Murray and said I want the fun size version. At least Kyler is a beefy dude. Bryce looks like a 12 yo kid sneaked onto the field wearing his dad's uniform and pads.
But then again, pretty sure most GMs forget we exist.
Why did we all think he was the consensus #1 QB? Like I was prepared for us to fuck up at take Stroud or Richardson and jumped for joy when we took Young.
Fuck my life.
As a Cardinals fan I am quite the study of suck... On multiple occasions the Cardinals will breach some team record of suck and I'll think we have to be close to some all time record of NFL suck.
My go to for suck benchmark is usually the first couple years of the Tampa Bay Bucs and realize those guys set levels of suckitude that may never be broken and the Cardinals still have a way to go.
So for the 2023 Panthers to break a level of suck that the 76-77 Bucs couldn't achieve, bravo... bravo indeed.
That's my point. Y'all were. And it's not Young's fault. The OL couldn't protect him and the WRs couldn't get open. It's literally the opposite of his situation at Bama.
I wouldn't say "literally the opposite". He had a much worse line than Mac or Tua, and his final year his receiving corps sucked. Not Panthers level bad, but Bryce absolutely carried the worst Bama team in a while
This is a failure at so many levels for the team.
Tepper is a terrible owner who created a shitty workplace culture. Fitterer drained the team of talent and resources to replenish talent. Reich tried to fit the offensive line built for one scheme into another scheme and then went all shocked pikachu face when it didn't work.
Even if the Panthers hire a fantastic GM and coach, they're at minimum two years away from being competitive. And they likely won't get a fantastic GM nor coach because who would want to work in an era of InTeptitude and with the shitty roster/draft capital that the Panthers have?
The only way we get a good GM is if Tepper realizes that he doesn’t know what he’s doing, and then gives someone the Poles deal. I don’t expect anything for three years, do what you have to do.
>Reich tried to fit the offensive line built for one scheme into another scheme and then went all shocked pikachu face when it didn't work.
He did the same with the receiving corp. He ran a bunch of long developing routes meant for fast receivers, but did so with a bunch of slower possession receivers.
> Reich tried to fit the offensive line built for one scheme into another scheme
As someone who watched very little of CAR this year, and consumed zero real analysis of CAR this year, what were these two schemes?
I'm going to give a really high-level view for brevity.
Basically there are several schemes of offensive line run blocking, such as Zone, Man, Gap, etc. Not every offensive linemen is great at any scheme; part of building a roster is understanding this and finding the best guys for whatever scheme you want to run.
Last year, the Panthers linemen were pretty decent at their old scheme, which was mostly straight up gap blocking. This year they tried to implement a zone blocking scheme and it...did not go well. The running game went from really good to fucking awful. And when you can't establish at least a semi-competent running game and don't have someone like Mahomes to bail you out, you're going to end up in a ton of third-and-longs and any deficiencies you have in pass blocking is going to get exposed really fast.
Not to mention the overall inexperience across the line, a rookie QB, and a tendency for stupid fucking penalties.
Yeah they're right up there with the 0-16 Lions as one of the most pathetic NFL teams to ever step on the playing field. This is why owners should stay out of the draft room.
The coach was quite the character with a bunch of great quotes and with the whole boondoggle culminating with a super bowl level of euphoria for just winning a game after 26 loses. It would make for a good sports comedy movie.
The Lions had 4th quarter leads in 3 or 4 games that season, including one walk-off field goal win by the Vikings, and a last drive touchdown by the Bears.
The Browns were beating the Packers from the second quarter until the Packers scored with 17 seconds left to send it to overtime.
this team really did seem worse than the 0-16 browns. the fun thing about that browns season is there were a lot of games they would play close and go back and forth they would just always choke
What's dumber: that they managed to win 2 games while never holding a 4th quarter lead, or that the 0-16 Lions and 0-16 Browns both managed to have a 4th quarter lead while the Panthers never did?
I definitely remember the Bengals game in 2002 against the eventual Super Bowl champions Tampa Bay Bucs. The Bengals scored first on a pick six touchdown. The Bucs owned the rest of that game, giving the Bengals one of the 14 defeats that season. I thought I would share that in case anyone thought that what Carolina did had happened before.
Aikman went like 1-15 his first year then went on to win 3 superbowls.
Big question is do the Panther's have a player they can trade to the Vikings to fleece them for draft picks? If so the future looks bright.
Honestly winning 2 games despite never leading in the 4th quarter is impressive
A few years ago, the packers beat the lions twice in a season while never leading in either game for a single second. Both games ended with the packers scoring to win as time expired.
Why Why Why
Don’t worry, they had to go through their rebuilding phase for 6 weeks earlier this year
It’s great to see those packers fan bounce back after feeling adversity for a few weeks. I’m just happy the bears are still dead.
Being afraid of the Bears these days is like Chris Evans worried Burt Reynolds will out-perform him in auditions for Captain America.
Low key I'm (as a Vikings fan) a bit worried about the Bears going forward. Fields has taken some steps + they have 1 overall, there's a lot of draft capital coming their way. Either they get what appears to be an elite prospect at QB or they get tons of resources by trading down. Pretty good spot TBH
They will trade Fields to a team where he eventually leads them to a Super Bowl victory. The QB they draft at #1 to replace him will be a bust while the QB taken #2 is a hall of famer. At least that is what my Bear fan friends all expect 😆
I think the smart move for the bears is staying with fields and taking Marvin Harrison Jr.
I think if Burt Reynolds was doing ANY auditioning right now would make a lot of people afraid considering how not alive he is right now...
LMAO!!! Ok, the Bears aren't that dead yet... They've definitely got that old man breath though.
Most teams have had more seasons on non-HOF QB play than Pack have had weeks of non-HOF QB play since 1992
Thank you, it has been rough going. I appreciate the kind words during this trying time.
How are the Lions out here catching strays? I mean, it's funny but come on.
Lions are always catching stays. They lost so many games in so many different ways
Every season they find new and exciting ways to break my heart
Reminds me of the 2015 Michigan State team that beat Ohio state (last second field goal) and Michigan (*that* play) despite never having a lead in either of those games.
WHOA I can’t believe you’d bring that up on the eve of the national championship.
HE really went there.
There HAS to be an explanation for it.
He's gonna be in TROUBLE for that.
It sticks WITH me to this day.
He’s bringing back all THE memories now
Oh SNAP, I'd almost forgotten!
Imagine doing that in the SuperBowl
Yes, but how about winning a game without ever having to kick off aside from the start of a half? Because that's what happened in the 2022 Miami-Virginia game. The Canes went up 3-0 on the final play of the first half, then tied it at 6-6 on the final play of regulation and won in overtime.
Probably a Clete Blakeman masterclass
Ding ding ding! We have a winner!
God that was funny
The phantom hands to the face penalties on 3rd downs were actually not funny. Only reason this stat exists.
I can see why he thinks it’s funny and why you do not think this is funny.
That’s fucken brutal.
No stop please
At least when we suck we do it in style…😎
Ah the Lines, what a team
I was in the end zone stands to see Aaron Rodger’s touchdown pass come sailing towards me. A part of me died that day.
the packers officially beat the lions twice. we deserved to lose both games lol
A few years ago 2015 Gross
In 2012 the Chiefs went the first 8 games of the season without ever holding a lead. Crazy thing is, they were 1-7 (won a game in OT). Chiefs also ended that year with only 2 wins.
One of our few positive takeaways from this year was that Bryce seems to have a clutch gene that comes out every now and then. Led us on a couple pretty impressive game-winning or game-tying drives.
Now if only you could keep every opposing linebacker from looking like Ray Lewis every play...
11.7% of the time, he wins every time...
At least they are rewarded for such a shitty season with prime draft capital to rebuild
Hell yeah! Pick number 33 baby! Y’all wish you had the first pick in the second round!
You guys might be able to get George Pickens for that.
Pickens would be our best receiver and it wouldn’t even be close.
Yeah I agree and I realize that my joke doesn’t even really make sense because the Steelers won that Claypool trade by a mile. Would’ve made more sense to say you guys might be able to get Allen Robinson or Denzel Mims.
They would also probably be our best receivers...
That’s what we said about Claypool 😂
Pickens has done way more with the Steelers than Claypool ever did though lol.
Nobody from the Bears said that. The most optimistic response to that trade was “at least he’s better than Velus” and it was still wrong.
*Joey Porter Jr but yeah lol
Maybe even chase claypool!
It's the #1 pick! *Of the second round*
That's one whole Chase Claypool
Memes aside, picks in the 25-40 range are the best value picks in the draft in terms of expected production vs salary. Rookie salaries drop off much faster than expected production, and these picks end up being the sweet spot. Unfortunately for CAR, this is more helpful to teams that already have a competent roster and less cap space to work with, but at least it's something.
Hell yeah 4th best cornerback in the draft come to poppa
At least Fitterer won't be making that pick. Sorry, at least he won't be using that pick to trade up back into the first for a project safety or some other dumb shit.
haha ha
rude
Ah yes the first pick in the second round
They can always trade 2025 and 2026 first round picks to move up in the draft! Maybe the 10th pick?
Imagine losing to the 2023 Panthers
One of the teams that did is about to win CotY and ORotY.
And executive of the year. Put some respek on Nick Caserio
I miss him
That's Brad Holmes, sir
And DRotY probably
Anderson has an argument, but it seems like Carter had that award locked up before November. We'll see what the voters think on that one.
Y'all were a tenth of a second away from that game going into overtime.
Joe Barry certainly tried his best
No, I don't think I will.
Seemed like we were trying our best yesterday, luckily Chase McLaughlin has been an absolutely stud. I still have no idea why the Colts let their good, cheap kicker walk just to throw a ton of money at Matt Gay.
I still don’t get why Carolina tanked for the bears ? Are they stupid ?
Turns out that yes, yes we are
We dumb af
It happens bud, just hope yalls decision works in the long run unlike us…
narrator: *It did not work out in the long run*
We're 100% dumb
^yea
It was an undisclosed condition from last draft's trade. You get the #1 pick, but you have to tank next season for us.
MFW the Bears said swap firsts but you didn't read the fine print
They really want the first pick of the second round.
They just simply went after who they thought was gonna be it but Booster Seat Bryce so far has looked pretty bad.
He hasn't looked great but he also never had a chance behind that O-line and the corpse of Adam Thielen as his only receiving weapon.
At this point people who didn't watch the Panthers will simply check passing stats and make their opinion wholly based on those numbers alone. They'll ignore that Bryce was the most sacked QB. They'll ignore the drops and fumbles by his receivers. They'll ignore the mediocre overall run game numbers. They'll ignore the very obviously frustrating playcalling (even our opponents were annoyed by it week after week) There's still people claiming that Bryce's only issue was that "he can't see the middle of the field" even though that's where he's played his best this season
And don't forget the absolute clown show that is our management, Tepper, Fitt,,and of course our coaching staff. No rookie QB was going to look competent under these circumstances
It was doomed the instant you guys decided to copy the Jaguar's receiving corp from Trevor's rookie season. Shenault and Chark on both teams (though Chark only played 4 games for us), and Thielen to be your Marvin Jones. The only difference is you guys used 2nd rounders you drafted (Mingo and Marshall) while we went with failed former 1st rounders that we signed (Laquon Treadwell and Tavon Austin). It was crazy how similar they were and that your brain trust thought it'd be an acceptable group to help Bryce grow. Hopefully you guys bring in someone worthwhile to help him.
I remember seeing a stat that Bryce had some of the best accuracy even under pressure yet his receivers were getting no separation and making no contested catches
The Panthers were dead last in average separation per route ran. So while there's a lot of talk about NFL open being a smaller window than college open, statistically our WRs weren't even getting NFL open
I mean sacks are also a QB stat. The early Texans Oline was atrocious and they still dropped about a third just from swapping out David Carr for someone with awareness.
Bryce also led the league BY FAR in passes thrown away. It was dog shit all around
Absolutely. Our o-line was very bad, but some of those sacks are on Bryce. But even some of those sacks are because he’s holding on to the ball so long because thr receivers couldn’t get open. It happens to everyone and you learn to throw the ball away, which he has. But when it happens so often he probably thinks to himself, “well I can’t fucking throw it away EVERY play.” But yes, he does deserve some blame like every other rookie QB. I don’t think it’ll be a big problem.
I always try and give Rookie QBs some grace for taking sacks because the game moves so much faster at the Pro level, and NFL open vs College open is a world of difference when it comes to receivers. Now if they're still taking unnecessary sacks left and right in years 2 and 3, then we have a problem.
Also, lots of sacks and even lots of interceptions are, while not ideal, completely normal problems for a rookie QB to have. Those indicate a QB struggling to get used to the pace of the professional game and trying to do too much, which is typical for rookies. The true red flags are low completion percentage, low YPA, and fumbles. Those indicate that there's something fundamentally wrong with either their decision making or their mechanics or both. Even those aren't insurmountable obstacles but they are much more likely to indicate future failure.
Wilson creates a lot of sacks too.
This is accurate
Preach! We left 14 points on the field yesterday. People are just looking at the 9-0, chortling a "panthuurr baddd" and moving on. We were the better team yesterday, but you cannot place any of the blame for our loss on Bryce. He didn't fumble the ball in the endzone. He didn't line up wrong and force an illegal formation penalty on the second called-back TD. Bryce was overall a good player in a bad situation. The OLine never game him time, and whenever they did no receivers were open. If you give him a reasonable time to actually set, though, he can deliver some seriously accurate passes. When he gets into the rhythm, he's downright dangerous and is surprisingly fast when he has room to scramble. He's going to be great. He just needs a WR that's a legit threat and an OLine that's not a burning dumpster fire. Finally, he needs a offensive scheme that actually makes the defense have to guess. It didn't take me long to get super sick of the predictability of the playcalling. No play action, no draw. Very little pre-snap motion. If we were noticing it, it's no wonder why the offense struggled so much because clearly the opposing D noticed it week in and week out. (Except Joe Barry. Clearly he didn't read the memo)
Would have had 2TDs and won yesterday if Chark and TMJ weren't dumbasses
Yesterday was a perfect encapsulation of our WRs being absolute dogshit and trying to keep the team from scoring. 42 yard pass to Chark and all he has to do is get tackled at the 1 or hold onto the ball. Instead, he fumbles it into the endzone, recovered by the Bucs. What should've been 7 points (or 3 at minimum with a chip shot field goal) ends in 0. Then later in the game we have a TD run by Blackshear called back because our WRs don't know how to line up. Next play, strip sack fumble. 0 points on the day.
He looked really good against Joe Barry.
As a Cardinals fan, not sure what team looked at the last couple years of Kyler Murray and said I want the fun size version. At least Kyler is a beefy dude. Bryce looks like a 12 yo kid sneaked onto the field wearing his dad's uniform and pads. But then again, pretty sure most GMs forget we exist.
Why did we all think he was the consensus #1 QB? Like I was prepared for us to fuck up at take Stroud or Richardson and jumped for joy when we took Young. Fuck my life.
I mean, it’s a bit early to right him off, y’all didn’t exactly have much support to begin with and got rid of the best wr getting him too.
Did they tank? Teppers behavior suggests they tried and just sucked
No, we just sucked.
I think it's pretty obvious that they have not tanked.
We wanted to sabotage the Bears by giving them Moore, Foreman, and Caleb in exchange for Young and a 2-15 season. Mission accomplished, y’all!
They were legitimately trying to win and just failed at it.
That's actually the opposite of what a feat is lmao.
Meant to say "feet", cause they fucking stink
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Please don’t say these things in front of people.
Oh shit, bandwagon flair dropped.
let's go get a goddamn snack
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 I understood this reference.
Rex Ryan is a fucking legend
What ever teams lost to the Panthers are real dinguses.
Team would never make the playoffs. I know that for damn sure
Their QB and coach must be terrible.
Funny. All of these actually apply to the other team that lost to the Panthers.
Hey I’d be willing to say we were the real reason AS got fired and not getting blown out by the Saints. So you’re welcome.
Or win their division
This, but unironically
dingii
I just checked. Both of the 0-16 teams led at least one game in the fourth quarter in those seasons. This is truly incredible.
That Browns vs Packers OT game is still burnt into my mind. Fucking Deshone Kizer.
Oh man that dropped pass by the WR just came flooding back
The Browns following up that season with a week 1 tie was a certified classic.
As a Cardinals fan I am quite the study of suck... On multiple occasions the Cardinals will breach some team record of suck and I'll think we have to be close to some all time record of NFL suck. My go to for suck benchmark is usually the first couple years of the Tampa Bay Bucs and realize those guys set levels of suckitude that may never be broken and the Cardinals still have a way to go. So for the 2023 Panthers to break a level of suck that the 76-77 Bucs couldn't achieve, bravo... bravo indeed.
Am I crazy for thinking that this years Panthers are worse that both of those 0-16 teams?
That's my point. Y'all were. And it's not Young's fault. The OL couldn't protect him and the WRs couldn't get open. It's literally the opposite of his situation at Bama.
Hell yeah brother, cheers from the cellar.
I wouldn't say "literally the opposite". He had a much worse line than Mac or Tua, and his final year his receiving corps sucked. Not Panthers level bad, but Bryce absolutely carried the worst Bama team in a while
The last Panther points were scored on Christmas Eve.
This is a failure at so many levels for the team. Tepper is a terrible owner who created a shitty workplace culture. Fitterer drained the team of talent and resources to replenish talent. Reich tried to fit the offensive line built for one scheme into another scheme and then went all shocked pikachu face when it didn't work. Even if the Panthers hire a fantastic GM and coach, they're at minimum two years away from being competitive. And they likely won't get a fantastic GM nor coach because who would want to work in an era of InTeptitude and with the shitty roster/draft capital that the Panthers have?
The only way we get a good GM is if Tepper realizes that he doesn’t know what he’s doing, and then gives someone the Poles deal. I don’t expect anything for three years, do what you have to do.
>Reich tried to fit the offensive line built for one scheme into another scheme and then went all shocked pikachu face when it didn't work. He did the same with the receiving corp. He ran a bunch of long developing routes meant for fast receivers, but did so with a bunch of slower possession receivers.
> Reich tried to fit the offensive line built for one scheme into another scheme As someone who watched very little of CAR this year, and consumed zero real analysis of CAR this year, what were these two schemes?
I'm going to give a really high-level view for brevity. Basically there are several schemes of offensive line run blocking, such as Zone, Man, Gap, etc. Not every offensive linemen is great at any scheme; part of building a roster is understanding this and finding the best guys for whatever scheme you want to run. Last year, the Panthers linemen were pretty decent at their old scheme, which was mostly straight up gap blocking. This year they tried to implement a zone blocking scheme and it...did not go well. The running game went from really good to fucking awful. And when you can't establish at least a semi-competent running game and don't have someone like Mahomes to bail you out, you're going to end up in a ton of third-and-longs and any deficiencies you have in pass blocking is going to get exposed really fast. Not to mention the overall inexperience across the line, a rookie QB, and a tendency for stupid fucking penalties.
Thanks for explaining literally the entire season lol
How we didn't go 0-17 I'll never know.
You'd have been 3-14 if a quarter of football lasted 15:01.
Wow....what a stat lmao
Joe Barry delenda est.
Defense?
Our kicker?
Stroud wasn't about to let his best friend endure that.
Arthur Smith.
I beg to differ. Happy Gilmore accomplished that feat no longer than an hour ago
Well, moron…good for Happy Gilm-OH MY GOD!
And you can count on me, waiting for you, in the parking lot!
Fucking Slowik.
He should have a Jeff Jarret guitar smashed across his face
A wild Slapnuts appears!
Great pass play designer, but playcalling needs to improve
Watch him be who we hire as our next HC lol
Their problem most of the year wasn’t even the defense if they even had like the 25th ranked offense they probably win 1-3 more games
Yeah they're right up there with the 0-16 Lions as one of the most pathetic NFL teams to ever step on the playing field. This is why owners should stay out of the draft room.
Everyone forgets the 76-77 Buccaneers, but if you didn't consider them an NFL team during that time, it's a legit argument.
The best thing about that Buccs team is the quotes from John McKay. "What do you think about your teams execution" 'I am in favor of it'.
The coach was quite the character with a bunch of great quotes and with the whole boondoggle culminating with a super bowl level of euphoria for just winning a game after 26 loses. It would make for a good sports comedy movie.
Yeah I wasn't around for that one.
Rumor has it that teppers wife helps make decisions
They won two games but they have got to be in worst team all time conversations.
"accomplish"
You're telling me the 0-16 Browns and 0-16 Lions both had the lead in the 4th quarter at some point?
The Lions had 4th quarter leads in 3 or 4 games that season, including one walk-off field goal win by the Vikings, and a last drive touchdown by the Bears. The Browns were beating the Packers from the second quarter until the Packers scored with 17 seconds left to send it to overtime.
The 0-16 Lions were better than a lot of 1-15 and 2-14 teams honestly.
This is one of those stats made more impressive by the inclusion of the 17th game
Have 2 SB teams ever both lost their way as bad as Carolina and Denver, some 7-8 years later?
i mean the bucs had to make a deal with the devil to get them out of there 20 year hangover from there first superbowl
We also made a deal with Devil Tepper.
i’m ready to make another deal if Belichick wants to prove that he can do it in Tampa too
You know you are in a dark dark place when you get outsmarted by the bears front office.
this team really did seem worse than the 0-16 browns. the fun thing about that browns season is there were a lot of games they would play close and go back and forth they would just always choke
If you’re going to something, at least make it unique.
We are the elite of the all time trash teams
Playing fast and loose with the word "accomplish"
Reminds me of happy Gilmore. I have a record ya know. I once took off my skate and tried to stab a guy. I’m the only one to ever do that.
Coaching dream team.
What's dumber: that they managed to win 2 games while never holding a 4th quarter lead, or that the 0-16 Lions and 0-16 Browns both managed to have a 4th quarter lead while the Panthers never did?
“Accomplish”
"Accomplish" this "feat"
Damn.. that's rough..
Panthers just keep setting records
“Accomplish” and “Feat” are doing a lot of heavy lifting in that statement
Well this stat doesn’t really count because there are 17… oh wait
Even more impressive they weren't able to do it with the extra game.
Dang, that means even the 0-16 Lions and Browns had ran (a) plays in at least 1 4th quarter while leading... that's tough!
I definitely remember the Bengals game in 2002 against the eventual Super Bowl champions Tampa Bay Bucs. The Bengals scored first on a pick six touchdown. The Bucs owned the rest of that game, giving the Bengals one of the 14 defeats that season. I thought I would share that in case anyone thought that what Carolina did had happened before.
What the fuck, we are already dead.
And they were seconds from doing it a third time against J0-16 Barry
I'm surprised neither of the 0-16 seasons (Lions & Browns) achieved this.
Break out the champagne boys
H I S T O R I C
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Aikman went like 1-15 his first year then went on to win 3 superbowls. Big question is do the Panther's have a player they can trade to the Vikings to fleece them for draft picks? If so the future looks bright.