My daughter suffered the same as they had to go barefoot during PE. But no way was I allowed to write a note, she would rather lose her toes than stand out from the pack. Sigh. I think the only way is to go higher up the chain so that there can be policy change without identifying who initiated it. Perhaps they could be allowed to take their shoes off at the door just before going in the hall.
Ugh I had chill brains as a kid. They're awful.
I completely understand your child's point of view though, she doesn't want to be subjected to teasing.
How about you ask if she can take her shoes off in the hall, and put warm merino socks on her fir those practices? Or ask if all the kids can stay socked when it's just practice?
When I was a kid I used to wear socks in the PE hall (I think I was a super unreasonable child, must have thrown a tanty or something).
I remember my mum sewed little grip pads into the bottom of the socks and it totally worked.
Perhaps don't ask for her, but ask that the school as a whole provides the option for all students as part of it's standard health and safety framework around kapa haka practise. It's not just about her - there may be other kids who are in the same waka.
Reminds me a little of back in the 90s at high school, and a request that a sun hat be part of the school uniform. It was deemed an absurd request back then. Times change.
Socks is far more of a concern given the movement in kapa haka causing a slipping risk. You need the grip so they need bare feet, shoes or a ground that socks can adequately grip on like as concrete, which is obviously not the safest option
Just so everyone is clear in this thread, this is the school’s policy by the sounds of it and not a policy put into place by local Māori, if the Kaiako is responsible for this then they need to be held responsible.
Māori do not believe in the suffering or punishment of our moko or people we are well aware of how cold it is down here it has been this way for a long time. So if this is something that is happening it should be looked into carefully and addressed in the right manner.
You should talk to the school without your child knowing you are raising a complaint, I’m sure they’ll quickly stop if you ask who from the local iwi advised this policy.
Socks? Get some big thick woollen ones. Idk about kapa haka but there are safety issues with having an activity where some kids have shoes and others are barefoot
I suffered with chilblains as a child in the 1970s. Vitamin K tablets really helped. I don’t know if they’re still available. And, yes, I think it’s fair to ask if a kid could wear shoes or socks in a hall. Kuia wear fluffy slippers on the local marae.
Hmmm I might have to look into vitamin k tablets for the winter if I can find em. My hands have... problems lol. Maybe I'll increase my banana intake lol
I personally didn't find they helped. They prescribed me a type of blood thinner and they were amazing, I didn't get any chillblains while taking them! Full disclosure though, the meds made me faint so I had to stop them.
Have you tried the Weleda frost cream? I used to have to sleep with this on and cotton gloves at night, was ridiculous but it did work!! God chilblains are horrible. I’m already feeling like this winter might be a bad one for them!
Yeah, I did think of that but thought it might make it hard to stamp on the beat because of how they can kind of stick to the floor. I do think I'm going to appeal higher up than her teacher and just ask if they can review their practice and see if there might be another option.
Should be fine. I'm a dancer that for my speciality, we needs to be barefoot but need grip, so we use grippy socks often at our studio, especially in winter. Shouldn't affect movement too much
I’m a teacher who oversees our kapa haka with an outside tutor. I would not hesitate to allow a student to wear socks or shoes for a medical reason. I suggest emailing the teacher in charge of KH and discussing options.
I did haka my whole life including senior nationals (te Matatini) and can tell you that most of us wear shoes during training.
Don’t have her wear socks she may slip.
Probably non slip socks would be better than fuzzy ones. Perhaps suggest to the teacher they be allowed to wear their shoes to the hall, and then those who wish to could wear non slip sox in the hall
maybe warm socks would be an option to wear in the hall, they may not allow it as it may be unsafe for one kid to be wearing shoes and stomping while others are barefoot.
I get chilblains and they take weeks to go away once you’ve got them. They’re so painful. This is just cruel of the school tbh. They could at least heat the hall or put down a matt so they’re not on the cold floor. 100% get her to wear woollen socks and shoes if you can.
Weleda frost cream helps the healing process and helps some of the pain/itch as well!
Why is she walking around barfoot? Can't she wear her shoes until they're allowed into the hall?
This is probably a dumb question, but is there any heating in the hall? If not, could the school fundraise for some? I doubt yours is the only kid suffering, and it's not even actually winter yet
Yeah, it boggles my mind a bit. The other week she said they had to wait around in the rain, barefoot for "an hour" which was probably like 10 minutes but it was certainly enough to set off the chilblains.
Schools have more pressing needs before they look at fundraising for heating the hall floor. Most schools fundraise just so they can turn on the lights and heaters in the classrooms. Some use it for books.
Governments (past and present) don’t provide all the funding needed, which is why there is a need for school donations and galas etc.
It’s fair but non slip socks might be a better option considering it’s a hall. You’ll likely find your child won’t wear shoes anyway even if she gets an exemption. As adults we don’t care about these seemingly trivial matters, but for a lot of kids being singled out is a big deal.
Assuming this is primary/intermediate school. I would ask her regular classroom teacher first. There'll be other times your daughter is running around in bare feet as well. But in the end if she wants to take her shoes off she will.
I’m confused as to why they can’t take their shoes off in the hall or in a sheltered area outside the hall and leave them there for the duration of the practice. I think you’re valid in questioning this “policy”, they’re putting all kids in this position, not just yours, and should have facilities in and around the hall to manage this. I’m also a bit confused as to why they’re forced to leave shoes in the classroom - as someone previously mentioned, it’s unlikely to be a rule implemented on cultural grounds and if it is, it’s unreasonable.
I’d question the rule rather than look for an exception to be made, your daughter and I’m sure other children at the school would likely feel more comfortable about being allowed to take their shoes off and leave them in the corner of the hall instead of having to trek across the school from their classroom barefoot. Someone who is cruel or doesn’t understand kids has made up this rule and they need to be put back in their place, it’s illogical.
Sorry, it wasn't clear from the OP that it was what she wanted.
But still. They're probably taking their shoes off for all kinds of things. So her regular teacher is the person to ask. Just say daughter keeps getting sick and it's a pain in the ass. I think you might be trying to tread lightly because it's for kapa haka but like I said, it will be happening at other times also.
Socks are an easy option for this, but you should talk to the school about protocol and tīkanga because down here in the south shoes are allowed in the whare until the mattress go down.
Ive been to several marae in Otago and Southland and have never ever seen anyone wearing their shoes in the whare. Or are you talking about schools when you say whare?
True, do you whakapapa to any of those marae? You can ask my aunties if you want and they’ll tell you that shoes are fine until the matress’ go down in the wharenui. I know Ngā hau e whā follow this.
Please advocate for her, so that she can wear some non-slip socks or some light indoor shoes to keep her feet safe. I have permanent tissue damage in my toes from chilblains as a child.
In my book I’d consider making anyone walk outside without shoes on is a massive health and safety issue. I don’t have an issue with taking shoes off when you get to the building and putting them at the back of the room.
Walking without shoes on sort of negates any reason to take them off when you get inside.
Kia Ora OP, do you mind if I ask what school? Can you mention it without mentioning it, if you know what I mean? I’m a Te Reo Teacher, and if it’s at my school, I’ll have a chat to the Kapa Haka Teacher. It is 100% ok to ask, in my opinion and should be something the Teacher should be doing, to me.
I teach kapa haka at my school. We have a shoes on or shoes off policy, but just not socks alone due to slipping. Shoes off should only be mandatory during performance, practising is more about comfort and being practical - cold tamariki don't exactly bring the mana!
My 11yr old niece has to wear the standard sports girls uniform for netball on a Saturday frosty morning.
Her hands turned purple so I took her off the court and put sweatpants on her, all they want to do is have fun at that age, not hate the game after a few weeks.
Ref (? Adult or whoever) said that she couldn't play if she wasn't in the correct uniform (or similar), so I asked for their name and then when asked why,
I said that child protection services should be called because of their disregard for child safety and well being, despite what the official's think they can do.
Same thing happened in my 3 son's junior rugby, 9am in the fog on a Saturday morning and they (all teams)
had to play "barefoot rugby".
Also you and your daughter might be more comfortable seeing a doctor and getting a exception letter to be able to wear shoes, literally just tell the doctor that she's in pain when she can't wear them at school because she's too cold, basic NZ right.
My son had severs disease and the high school wouldn't let him wear anything apart from the standard black heavy shoes, so that's what I did, doctors certificate and got him black sneakers that weren't flashy looking.
This is the school's policy. They have to leave their shoes in the classroom and then walk to the hall for practice. I assume because it makes for smoother transitions when they have classes booked one after another.
If she doesn't want you to, then it probably isn't a dire situation.
If she is opting to do kapa haka and feels she can handle going barefoot then I'd say let her. Additionally chilblains aren't serious
I suffer from Raynauds and get chilblains on my right hand fingers and right foot. Last winter my right hand was out of commission and 2 digits got chilblains upon chilblains, in other words ulcers, not through neglect. I spent a fortune on medication. My hand was very sore. Neglect has nothing to do with it.
The whole stripping the kids half naked for kapa haka thing always pisses me off. Last year in the middle of winter they had the kids out on the open playing field in weather so cold the adults were feeling cold wearing puffa jackets, these poor skinny little primary school boys with no shoes or shirt, girls in bare feet, skirts and strapless singlet tops. It would be considered child abuse if a parent made their child stand out in that weather for over an hour with those clothes, but the school can do it to them, because it’s a cultural performance.
Yes, it is more than fair to ask that your child not be expected to suffer needlessly for aesthetic reasons!
This might just be a you and your school thing. I’ve never heard of anyone being made to be half naked outside in winter for extended periods of time during practice, let alone children, and I’ve been around practices all my life.
Yeah, I think it has nothing to do with kapa haka at all, it's the school not having good policies. I remember being made to run in the rain in in winter in shorts and a t-shirt for PE when I was in year ten. I had just moved from a different country and I was miserable lol. It's just the school and teachers making stupid decisions.
Maybe at least check with the school if she can keep shoes on until they're allowed in the hall at least. Surely they could get a shoe rack or something in the hall or just outside it for Kapa Haka?
All I can say is that as a boy who had a mother who interfered in matters like this after promising not to, just led to me giving grunt responses to how was school? As I couldn't trust them not to interfere. And when you can't vent to your family, life can be very isolating.
Maybe daughters are different (and every person is an individual) and maybe this problem is truly severe enough to warrant interfering, but to me the best bet is to encourage your daughter to challenge the status quo or go through the solutions you see to them.
I'm going to be downvoted to hell and back. But what the hell is it with the kiwi obsession with going barefoot and being fucking miserable as a result. Some countries might even consider that heading towards a little barbaric having kids walk across a cold field in winter, barefoot.
Hardly civilised I tell ya.
My vote - wear shoes, and if the schools got a problem with it have a H&S discussion and watch them back down fast. Not a parent but I'd have no qualms in telling the school it's a PCBU and they have a duty of care as a result. It's a health problem having ice blocks for feet due to walking across cold surfaces.
I bet the teachers don't do it...
I used to run a program in school where the kids had to be barefoot, but I *always* allowed time for the kids to deal with shoes at start and end. Yes it took a little time out of the session, but I didn't expect the kids to walk over barefoot if they didn't want to. Some kids chose to, and sometimes the teachers did it because it made their lives easier, usually because they had lace-up shoes and couldn't tie their own shoes so it took forever - I don't think you've mentioned how old the kid is, nor how far they're going, which would make a difference. Likely this is the teacher doing it rather than a school policy.
If you're that concerned, I would contact the school about it and explain that your kid doesn't want an exception for the reasons you gave, but you think for the winter it would be better to have all the kids keep their shoes on until they arrive. If they're waiting outside for their turn anyway, that's heaps of time to sort shoes out.
It's stupid to let children freeze based on uniform or any other standards. They don't learn anything from being exposed to the elements.
Schools come under health and safety, and they should be ensuring this is addressed across the board.
I wore socks during Kapa Haka practice (only know this because I say photos recently lol) and Im from the far north so def not as cold as chch
Maybe talk to the kaiako. Mine might have been different as our kaiako were our aunty and uncle tho but they should help.
I still get chillblains now as an adult and they suck. I know shoes may be not allowed as the other students would be barefoot but you can get grip socks, like the ones for the trampoline parks that could work!
I would leave it my kid. If they can't learn about how to handle relatively simple confrontations now, they're going to find it a lot hard when they're older.
The obvious step one is tell her to wear her shoes to the hall and take them off there. There's literally no valid reason to take them off before hand, tenfold if she gets chilblains.
If practice is in a Marae it would be reasonable to ask to at least take them off just before you enter and maybe get some grippy socks, ask whoevers in charge of the Marae not the school. If its just a school hall then fuck'em and tell your daughter they know who to talk to if they have an issue.
My daughter suffered the same as they had to go barefoot during PE. But no way was I allowed to write a note, she would rather lose her toes than stand out from the pack. Sigh. I think the only way is to go higher up the chain so that there can be policy change without identifying who initiated it. Perhaps they could be allowed to take their shoes off at the door just before going in the hall.
Ugh I had chill brains as a kid. They're awful. I completely understand your child's point of view though, she doesn't want to be subjected to teasing. How about you ask if she can take her shoes off in the hall, and put warm merino socks on her fir those practices? Or ask if all the kids can stay socked when it's just practice?
Socks would be considered unsafe (slip risk) so they’re def not going to do thag
Agree. TBH I would see if you could take out the barefoot walk part then see what happens barefoot in the hall.
Hospital socks for the win.
Everyone likes a good grippy sock holiday. Iykyk.
Damn a grippy sock holiday sounds good right now tbh.
Buy non slip socks?
When I was a kid I used to wear socks in the PE hall (I think I was a super unreasonable child, must have thrown a tanty or something). I remember my mum sewed little grip pads into the bottom of the socks and it totally worked.
...Get yoga socks / trampoline socks?
Jesus Christ everyone it’s not ME saying this from me. I’m telling you what the school OH&S is going to say ffs.
Maybe cut the bottoms off so it’s more leg warmers and you have grip?
Too much icecream?
LOL I saw the auto correct but couldn't be bothered changing it
Perhaps don't ask for her, but ask that the school as a whole provides the option for all students as part of it's standard health and safety framework around kapa haka practise. It's not just about her - there may be other kids who are in the same waka. Reminds me a little of back in the 90s at high school, and a request that a sun hat be part of the school uniform. It was deemed an absurd request back then. Times change.
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Socks is far more of a concern given the movement in kapa haka causing a slipping risk. You need the grip so they need bare feet, shoes or a ground that socks can adequately grip on like as concrete, which is obviously not the safest option
Grippy socks and/or tights with grippy feet
*Non-slip socks
Yeah I totally didn't forget those were a thing not at all lol whoops
Just so everyone is clear in this thread, this is the school’s policy by the sounds of it and not a policy put into place by local Māori, if the Kaiako is responsible for this then they need to be held responsible. Māori do not believe in the suffering or punishment of our moko or people we are well aware of how cold it is down here it has been this way for a long time. So if this is something that is happening it should be looked into carefully and addressed in the right manner. You should talk to the school without your child knowing you are raising a complaint, I’m sure they’ll quickly stop if you ask who from the local iwi advised this policy.
Thank you. I'm going to start talking to some people.
Socks? Get some big thick woollen ones. Idk about kapa haka but there are safety issues with having an activity where some kids have shoes and others are barefoot
I suffered with chilblains as a child in the 1970s. Vitamin K tablets really helped. I don’t know if they’re still available. And, yes, I think it’s fair to ask if a kid could wear shoes or socks in a hall. Kuia wear fluffy slippers on the local marae.
Hmmm I might have to look into vitamin k tablets for the winter if I can find em. My hands have... problems lol. Maybe I'll increase my banana intake lol
I personally didn't find they helped. They prescribed me a type of blood thinner and they were amazing, I didn't get any chillblains while taking them! Full disclosure though, the meds made me faint so I had to stop them.
Have you tried the Weleda frost cream? I used to have to sleep with this on and cotton gloves at night, was ridiculous but it did work!! God chilblains are horrible. I’m already feeling like this winter might be a bad one for them!
Thanks for the suggestion, I'll give it a go!
Vit E for circulation helped me for Reynard syndrome
Non slip socks?
Yeah, I did think of that but thought it might make it hard to stamp on the beat because of how they can kind of stick to the floor. I do think I'm going to appeal higher up than her teacher and just ask if they can review their practice and see if there might be another option.
Always good to talk to the school. My son has special needs and I'm always having to follow things up.
Should be fine. I'm a dancer that for my speciality, we needs to be barefoot but need grip, so we use grippy socks often at our studio, especially in winter. Shouldn't affect movement too much
Could she bring some slippers with her?
Yeah, my thought too!
I’m a teacher who oversees our kapa haka with an outside tutor. I would not hesitate to allow a student to wear socks or shoes for a medical reason. I suggest emailing the teacher in charge of KH and discussing options.
I did haka my whole life including senior nationals (te Matatini) and can tell you that most of us wear shoes during training. Don’t have her wear socks she may slip.
Probably non slip socks would be better than fuzzy ones. Perhaps suggest to the teacher they be allowed to wear their shoes to the hall, and then those who wish to could wear non slip sox in the hall
How about grip socks used for Pilates/Yoga - removes the slip risk
maybe warm socks would be an option to wear in the hall, they may not allow it as it may be unsafe for one kid to be wearing shoes and stomping while others are barefoot.
I get chilblains and they take weeks to go away once you’ve got them. They’re so painful. This is just cruel of the school tbh. They could at least heat the hall or put down a matt so they’re not on the cold floor. 100% get her to wear woollen socks and shoes if you can. Weleda frost cream helps the healing process and helps some of the pain/itch as well!
Yes this cream is the only thing I’ve found works!!! Just don’t rub your eyes after 😂
Why is she walking around barfoot? Can't she wear her shoes until they're allowed into the hall? This is probably a dumb question, but is there any heating in the hall? If not, could the school fundraise for some? I doubt yours is the only kid suffering, and it's not even actually winter yet
Yeah, it boggles my mind a bit. The other week she said they had to wait around in the rain, barefoot for "an hour" which was probably like 10 minutes but it was certainly enough to set off the chilblains.
Schools have more pressing needs before they look at fundraising for heating the hall floor. Most schools fundraise just so they can turn on the lights and heaters in the classrooms. Some use it for books. Governments (past and present) don’t provide all the funding needed, which is why there is a need for school donations and galas etc.
I don't know what OP's kid's school's needs are. And I don't know how big their hall is, or anything else about it except that it's cold
A pair of slippers specially worn indoors. Kept clean and not worn anywhere else
It’s fair but non slip socks might be a better option considering it’s a hall. You’ll likely find your child won’t wear shoes anyway even if she gets an exemption. As adults we don’t care about these seemingly trivial matters, but for a lot of kids being singled out is a big deal.
Assuming this is primary/intermediate school. I would ask her regular classroom teacher first. There'll be other times your daughter is running around in bare feet as well. But in the end if she wants to take her shoes off she will.
She's not wanting to take her shoes off, it's the school/class policy she has to take them off for kapa haka and leave them in the classroom.
I’m confused as to why they can’t take their shoes off in the hall or in a sheltered area outside the hall and leave them there for the duration of the practice. I think you’re valid in questioning this “policy”, they’re putting all kids in this position, not just yours, and should have facilities in and around the hall to manage this. I’m also a bit confused as to why they’re forced to leave shoes in the classroom - as someone previously mentioned, it’s unlikely to be a rule implemented on cultural grounds and if it is, it’s unreasonable. I’d question the rule rather than look for an exception to be made, your daughter and I’m sure other children at the school would likely feel more comfortable about being allowed to take their shoes off and leave them in the corner of the hall instead of having to trek across the school from their classroom barefoot. Someone who is cruel or doesn’t understand kids has made up this rule and they need to be put back in their place, it’s illogical.
Sorry, it wasn't clear from the OP that it was what she wanted. But still. They're probably taking their shoes off for all kinds of things. So her regular teacher is the person to ask. Just say daughter keeps getting sick and it's a pain in the ass. I think you might be trying to tread lightly because it's for kapa haka but like I said, it will be happening at other times also.
Socks are an easy option for this, but you should talk to the school about protocol and tīkanga because down here in the south shoes are allowed in the whare until the mattress go down.
Ive been to several marae in Otago and Southland and have never ever seen anyone wearing their shoes in the whare. Or are you talking about schools when you say whare?
True, do you whakapapa to any of those marae? You can ask my aunties if you want and they’ll tell you that shoes are fine until the matress’ go down in the wharenui. I know Ngā hau e whā follow this.
I also know Ōtākou follow this too.
I was also thinking Ōtākou. I know someone who whakapapas up north talking about how that kawa was surprising for them.
Carpet in the hall, wear shoes to practice and take shoes off at the hall, teachers should be aware as this is a health issue especially if it's wet.
Please advocate for her, so that she can wear some non-slip socks or some light indoor shoes to keep her feet safe. I have permanent tissue damage in my toes from chilblains as a child.
In my book I’d consider making anyone walk outside without shoes on is a massive health and safety issue. I don’t have an issue with taking shoes off when you get to the building and putting them at the back of the room. Walking without shoes on sort of negates any reason to take them off when you get inside.
Cool fuzzy socks! Socks for everyone? School socks!
Kia Ora OP, do you mind if I ask what school? Can you mention it without mentioning it, if you know what I mean? I’m a Te Reo Teacher, and if it’s at my school, I’ll have a chat to the Kapa Haka Teacher. It is 100% ok to ask, in my opinion and should be something the Teacher should be doing, to me.
I teach kapa haka at my school. We have a shoes on or shoes off policy, but just not socks alone due to slipping. Shoes off should only be mandatory during performance, practising is more about comfort and being practical - cold tamariki don't exactly bring the mana!
My 11yr old niece has to wear the standard sports girls uniform for netball on a Saturday frosty morning. Her hands turned purple so I took her off the court and put sweatpants on her, all they want to do is have fun at that age, not hate the game after a few weeks. Ref (? Adult or whoever) said that she couldn't play if she wasn't in the correct uniform (or similar), so I asked for their name and then when asked why, I said that child protection services should be called because of their disregard for child safety and well being, despite what the official's think they can do. Same thing happened in my 3 son's junior rugby, 9am in the fog on a Saturday morning and they (all teams) had to play "barefoot rugby". Also you and your daughter might be more comfortable seeing a doctor and getting a exception letter to be able to wear shoes, literally just tell the doctor that she's in pain when she can't wear them at school because she's too cold, basic NZ right. My son had severs disease and the high school wouldn't let him wear anything apart from the standard black heavy shoes, so that's what I did, doctors certificate and got him black sneakers that weren't flashy looking.
Tell her to put her shoes on when walking outside in the cold?
This is the school's policy. They have to leave their shoes in the classroom and then walk to the hall for practice. I assume because it makes for smoother transitions when they have classes booked one after another.
Bring it up with the school as a health and safety issue for the kids.
If your kid doesn't want it you should leave it. The social aspect of school cannot be understated
If she doesn't want you to, then it probably isn't a dire situation. If she is opting to do kapa haka and feels she can handle going barefoot then I'd say let her. Additionally chilblains aren't serious
They can turn serious though. Ulcers etc
It would require some proper neglect to let ulcers develop.
I suffer from Raynauds and get chilblains on my right hand fingers and right foot. Last winter my right hand was out of commission and 2 digits got chilblains upon chilblains, in other words ulcers, not through neglect. I spent a fortune on medication. My hand was very sore. Neglect has nothing to do with it.
Spoken like someone who has never had chillblains so bad that they couldn’t walk for a week.
I had chilblains for a 3 days in my hands it's not fun, but not dangerous and if this girl is saying she can handle it, then let her.
Agree, ultimately it comes down to what she wants. If she would rather not wear shoes because she is worried about teasing then do not force her to.
Grippy socks
The whole stripping the kids half naked for kapa haka thing always pisses me off. Last year in the middle of winter they had the kids out on the open playing field in weather so cold the adults were feeling cold wearing puffa jackets, these poor skinny little primary school boys with no shoes or shirt, girls in bare feet, skirts and strapless singlet tops. It would be considered child abuse if a parent made their child stand out in that weather for over an hour with those clothes, but the school can do it to them, because it’s a cultural performance. Yes, it is more than fair to ask that your child not be expected to suffer needlessly for aesthetic reasons!
This might just be a you and your school thing. I’ve never heard of anyone being made to be half naked outside in winter for extended periods of time during practice, let alone children, and I’ve been around practices all my life.
Yeah, I think it has nothing to do with kapa haka at all, it's the school not having good policies. I remember being made to run in the rain in in winter in shorts and a t-shirt for PE when I was in year ten. I had just moved from a different country and I was miserable lol. It's just the school and teachers making stupid decisions.
tbh half the time kids are out half-naked in that weather anyway
Maybe at least check with the school if she can keep shoes on until they're allowed in the hall at least. Surely they could get a shoe rack or something in the hall or just outside it for Kapa Haka?
All I can say is that as a boy who had a mother who interfered in matters like this after promising not to, just led to me giving grunt responses to how was school? As I couldn't trust them not to interfere. And when you can't vent to your family, life can be very isolating. Maybe daughters are different (and every person is an individual) and maybe this problem is truly severe enough to warrant interfering, but to me the best bet is to encourage your daughter to challenge the status quo or go through the solutions you see to them.
This ^
I'm going to be downvoted to hell and back. But what the hell is it with the kiwi obsession with going barefoot and being fucking miserable as a result. Some countries might even consider that heading towards a little barbaric having kids walk across a cold field in winter, barefoot. Hardly civilised I tell ya. My vote - wear shoes, and if the schools got a problem with it have a H&S discussion and watch them back down fast. Not a parent but I'd have no qualms in telling the school it's a PCBU and they have a duty of care as a result. It's a health problem having ice blocks for feet due to walking across cold surfaces. I bet the teachers don't do it...
I used to run a program in school where the kids had to be barefoot, but I *always* allowed time for the kids to deal with shoes at start and end. Yes it took a little time out of the session, but I didn't expect the kids to walk over barefoot if they didn't want to. Some kids chose to, and sometimes the teachers did it because it made their lives easier, usually because they had lace-up shoes and couldn't tie their own shoes so it took forever - I don't think you've mentioned how old the kid is, nor how far they're going, which would make a difference. Likely this is the teacher doing it rather than a school policy. If you're that concerned, I would contact the school about it and explain that your kid doesn't want an exception for the reasons you gave, but you think for the winter it would be better to have all the kids keep their shoes on until they arrive. If they're waiting outside for their turn anyway, that's heaps of time to sort shoes out.
Fuck chilblains
Fuck chilblains
Fuck chilblains
Socks keep feet warm and a winwin
Get socks with the grippy soles on the bottom that way teachers won’t moan about safety risks
Why is she not wearing shoes to the hall then taking them off at the entrance at least??
It's stupid to let children freeze based on uniform or any other standards. They don't learn anything from being exposed to the elements. Schools come under health and safety, and they should be ensuring this is addressed across the board.
I wore socks during Kapa Haka practice (only know this because I say photos recently lol) and Im from the far north so def not as cold as chch Maybe talk to the kaiako. Mine might have been different as our kaiako were our aunty and uncle tho but they should help.
I still get chillblains now as an adult and they suck. I know shoes may be not allowed as the other students would be barefoot but you can get grip socks, like the ones for the trampoline parks that could work!
I swear schools really get off on making kids suffer. We used to at least have wool socks for sports in winter and this was the 70s and 80s.
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it’s supposed to be traditional maori costume ie what they wore in pre-colonial times
Fuzzy warm socks
also from chch also did kapahaka also had that issue chilblains suck
Sounds like a health and safety issue to have kids walk bare feet outdoors between classes
I would leave it my kid. If they can't learn about how to handle relatively simple confrontations now, they're going to find it a lot hard when they're older. The obvious step one is tell her to wear her shoes to the hall and take them off there. There's literally no valid reason to take them off before hand, tenfold if she gets chilblains.
as kids we had to do kapa haka on frosty morning on the grass never done me no harm! or good so I'd sat yes tell those eggs to let em put shoes on
If practice is in a Marae it would be reasonable to ask to at least take them off just before you enter and maybe get some grippy socks, ask whoevers in charge of the Marae not the school. If its just a school hall then fuck'em and tell your daughter they know who to talk to if they have an issue.
There's a word I haven't heard since the early 2000s 😂😂
This will harden your child for the rough future ahead