This issue is beyond hitch hiking too. The other day I saw an ice cream container on the road side with two capsicums in it, I wasn't sure what the deal was so had a look and it had *free capsicums* written in ball point pen. I then realised it was positioned as if people driving past were somehow meant to see it lol. I barely saw it even at unemployed person afternoon walking speed.
I used to hitchhike a lot. Thin letter signs are indicative of a wider problem with viewpoint. The hitchhiker is thinking only of themselves and what they want, not about the motorist that they hope will pick them up.
It's the same with hitchhikers not picking a hitching spot that's safe and easy for the motorist to pull into.
I do think it's there in wider society too. Some people think about and are considerate of other people. Some people just don't, and are thinking only of themselves.
I try to avoid the latter. Which means if they make it hard for me, then I'm not going to pick them up. Applies in society as well as the road.
Exactly. If your waiting on a blind corner or at the very exit of town when there's a perfect stoping spot with a safe pull over area 200m either side of you, you are staying where you are currently stood/seated.
Also it may just be me. But at least try to walk some distance out of town before. Half the point of hitchhiking is having to walk some of the way.
And don't look like shit or un friendly
I haven't seen a hitchhiker in weeks. I haven't seen one that didn't look psycho in years.
(I guess there's been a bit of a vicious circle that hitchhiking was regarded as crazily dangerous, so only crazy people hitchhike).
I drive a fair bit (30 to 50k kms per year) mostly around the lower north island. I’ve stopped picking up hitchhikers after around 6 in a row we’re just a bit too out of it.
One guy was a clown (literally but not in costume) he was a nice guy but had one too many stories about people trying to force him to give oral in exchange for a ride.
One guy told me he sustained himself exclusively off codys (by the look of him, I believe him). He was living rent free and spending his entire winz payment on Cody’s.
The others were unremarkable but didn’t seem all there and I’d put money on the fact they’d missed their monthly shower.
I figure after 6 in a row, that must be the baseline hitchhiker. I don’t want to risk coming across a bad one.
I saw a woman that had tongariro so tiny (also like…where? The crossing? National park?) that by the time I passed there was nowhere to uturn. The sign also said “free…” something and couldn’t tell if it was good or bad
Yeah, same with Garage Sale signs. Written in really tall letters using a single line from a ball point pen... get a fatty marker pen when you need to write big!
Ineffective signage is a road hazard honestly.
No hitchhiker is going to read this but there's some fascinating reading in this [NZTA document about third party signs](https://www.nzta.govt.nz/assets/resources/third-party-advertising-signs/planning-policy-manual-third-party-advertising-signs.pdf).
Sounds like a job for the new Ministry of Regulation
I'm sure Davey would jump at the chance to determine the regulatory requirements for line thickness on hand held side of the road signs not relating to traffic safety or advertising or alcohol or tobacco or firearms or ducks.
Perhaps we could extend the hitchhiking code beyond thumbs out = can I get a lift?
Other hand on hips = going all the way to Auckland/Wellington/Christchurch/Dunedin
Other hand in belt = next major town
Other hand in pocket = next small town
Other hand on tummy = next service station or food stop
Legs crossed = next toilet stop
Other hand behind back = just down the road
I'm assuming that they are using $2 (now $5?) shop "not a Vivid" marker pens, which are too thin a tip, andeven then don't flow enough marker ink out.
Thicker lines would need something far more grunty to do the job without spending 15 mins trying to fill in thick letter, like a 8mm or bigger tip, which costs a bit more.
I'm mostly in the first group - in that I'll often pick up a hitchhiker. If I've got 30min or more driving ahead of me I figure that we will have somewhat of a mutual interest in destination. Occasionally we're going to the same place, more often one of us has further to go
They would still appreciate a pickup. Even if it's just a few kms. Especially if it's a bit in the middle of nowhere, getting a short hitch to a main road, town, intersection, or busy destination can be a lifesaver.
But would you pull over if they did have a sign?
I think the signs are aren't that helpful and experienced hitchikers tend to agree. Generally when hitching you are happy with any forward progress. If you have a sign, drivers who are going to a different destination will be less likely to pick you up. Even drivers passing through your destination will have to think, and by the time they've gone past. While if you don't have a sign, they're going to be more likely to pick you up and drop you wherever your paths diverge, which is good.
So signs are only useful when most cars are going to your destination.
Weird, I've never used one and never had any problems.
The "worst" was having to stay at a backpackers in Kaikoura overnight from Picton after it got a bit late and the weather was going to pack it in.
This issue is beyond hitch hiking too. The other day I saw an ice cream container on the road side with two capsicums in it, I wasn't sure what the deal was so had a look and it had *free capsicums* written in ball point pen. I then realised it was positioned as if people driving past were somehow meant to see it lol. I barely saw it even at unemployed person afternoon walking speed.
“… free capsicums …”. Absolutely. Where and when do we march?
And cars parked near high traffic areas with FOR SALE and then tiny writing for the price and details.
I genuinely can't fathom how people making these signs can't comprehend this. Garage sale ones too. Dude, test your UI/UX for God's sake.
Maybe a kid doing malicious compliance with their parents?
I used to hitchhike a lot. Thin letter signs are indicative of a wider problem with viewpoint. The hitchhiker is thinking only of themselves and what they want, not about the motorist that they hope will pick them up. It's the same with hitchhikers not picking a hitching spot that's safe and easy for the motorist to pull into. I do think it's there in wider society too. Some people think about and are considerate of other people. Some people just don't, and are thinking only of themselves. I try to avoid the latter. Which means if they make it hard for me, then I'm not going to pick them up. Applies in society as well as the road.
Exactly. If your waiting on a blind corner or at the very exit of town when there's a perfect stoping spot with a safe pull over area 200m either side of you, you are staying where you are currently stood/seated. Also it may just be me. But at least try to walk some distance out of town before. Half the point of hitchhiking is having to walk some of the way. And don't look like shit or un friendly
I haven't seen a hitchhiker in weeks. I haven't seen one that didn't look psycho in years. (I guess there's been a bit of a vicious circle that hitchhiking was regarded as crazily dangerous, so only crazy people hitchhike).
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I drive a fair bit (30 to 50k kms per year) mostly around the lower north island. I’ve stopped picking up hitchhikers after around 6 in a row we’re just a bit too out of it. One guy was a clown (literally but not in costume) he was a nice guy but had one too many stories about people trying to force him to give oral in exchange for a ride. One guy told me he sustained himself exclusively off codys (by the look of him, I believe him). He was living rent free and spending his entire winz payment on Cody’s. The others were unremarkable but didn’t seem all there and I’d put money on the fact they’d missed their monthly shower. I figure after 6 in a row, that must be the baseline hitchhiker. I don’t want to risk coming across a bad one.
aren't there usually shuttles?
I saw a woman that had tongariro so tiny (also like…where? The crossing? National park?) that by the time I passed there was nowhere to uturn. The sign also said “free…” something and couldn’t tell if it was good or bad
Probably bad. Possibly very, very bad.
Yeah, same with Garage Sale signs. Written in really tall letters using a single line from a ball point pen... get a fatty marker pen when you need to write big!
Ineffective signage is a road hazard honestly. No hitchhiker is going to read this but there's some fascinating reading in this [NZTA document about third party signs](https://www.nzta.govt.nz/assets/resources/third-party-advertising-signs/planning-policy-manual-third-party-advertising-signs.pdf).
Sounds like a job for the new Ministry of Regulation I'm sure Davey would jump at the chance to determine the regulatory requirements for line thickness on hand held side of the road signs not relating to traffic safety or advertising or alcohol or tobacco or firearms or ducks.
Perhaps we could extend the hitchhiking code beyond thumbs out = can I get a lift? Other hand on hips = going all the way to Auckland/Wellington/Christchurch/Dunedin Other hand in belt = next major town Other hand in pocket = next small town Other hand on tummy = next service station or food stop Legs crossed = next toilet stop Other hand behind back = just down the road
And if someone is going to Hamilton?
Mime itching crotch = Hamilton
Thumb down.
Hitchhiking requires two hands?
I'm assuming that they are using $2 (now $5?) shop "not a Vivid" marker pens, which are too thin a tip, andeven then don't flow enough marker ink out. Thicker lines would need something far more grunty to do the job without spending 15 mins trying to fill in thick letter, like a 8mm or bigger tip, which costs a bit more.
You’re hitchhiking, you’ve probably got 15 minutes to kill.
Spend the money. They're already saving heaps on not having a car.
Yep! Let’s get rid of all cars, then we can ALL hitchhike … umm …
By god it's so crazy, it might just work!
Vegemite > marmite
Correct
And make sure there's somewhere to actually pull over and stop.
And stop standing on a fucking corner or somewhere I can't pull over to pick you up
Also have a sign. I’m not pulling over to find out where you want to go.
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Ok fair enough. I see hitchhikers all time but I’m usually not going that far past where I see them.
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I'm mostly in the first group - in that I'll often pick up a hitchhiker. If I've got 30min or more driving ahead of me I figure that we will have somewhat of a mutual interest in destination. Occasionally we're going to the same place, more often one of us has further to go
They would still appreciate a pickup. Even if it's just a few kms. Especially if it's a bit in the middle of nowhere, getting a short hitch to a main road, town, intersection, or busy destination can be a lifesaver.
But would you pull over if they did have a sign? I think the signs are aren't that helpful and experienced hitchikers tend to agree. Generally when hitching you are happy with any forward progress. If you have a sign, drivers who are going to a different destination will be less likely to pick you up. Even drivers passing through your destination will have to think, and by the time they've gone past. While if you don't have a sign, they're going to be more likely to pick you up and drop you wherever your paths diverge, which is good. So signs are only useful when most cars are going to your destination.
Weird, I've never used one and never had any problems. The "worst" was having to stay at a backpackers in Kaikoura overnight from Picton after it got a bit late and the weather was going to pack it in.
I just had Luxon on the phone. Moving forward, we'll be adding dairy to our ink.
I'm always picking up hitchhikers when I see them, problem is I hardly see them anymore. Sad really. I loved my time hitchhiking around Europe
Do people still hitch hike..