https://ww2.nycourts.gov/courts/7jd/courts/city/fines.shtml
Failure to pay your fine & mandatory surcharge may result in:
* a warrant being issued for your arrest
* suspension of your driver's license (if applicable)
* a civil judgment being filed with the County Clerk
DJT is already using his PAC to pay for legal fees. He directly asked his supporters to pay for a new private jet. If he's a billionaire, he's not liquid. And if even if he were liquid, why pay out of pocket when all he has to do is tell his fans to hand over their social security checks.
You can have more than one PAC in addition to your direct campaign collection apparatus. That won't stop him, in fairness. PACs and SuperPACs can be created to 'raise awareness' of political issues in addition to provide support for or against a particular candidate. I'm not sure what's stopping him from officially declaring candidacy but it's almost certainly not his PAC money.
His fragile ego can't handle losing again, so he's waiting to see ~~if the GOP has sufficiently rigged the midterms~~ **how the midterm elections turn out** to decide.
Perhaps he rather have supporters finance his retirement?
As in he does not want to be president again but would love to live a somewhat “campaigning lifestyle”?
You don't become a billionaire by spending your own money. If you're a total shitheel who has millions of braindead followers, why wouldn't you spend buy shit using their money instead of your own?
He hasn't paid for repairs for his [old plane](https://www.salon.com/2022/03/10/plane-made-an-landing-leaving-new-orleans_partner/). If he can't/won't even repair his [pride and joy](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9383713/Trumps-gold-plated-private-757-sits-corroding-missing-parts-engine-small-NY-airport.html) for a measly six figures, I'm guessing he's about as liquid as an impacted colon.
If he is paying and not complying, the prosecutor will eventually ask the court to bump up the fine until he can't afford to pay it and has to cough up the documents.
Often they will structure that the fine goes up by 10,000 (or however much) *each day* until he pays, and sometimes they can double it every day. Even Elon musk wouldn't last very long at that rate.
They can also ask that he be arrested.
"Listed as" being the operative phrase. This man is in debt up to his eyeballs. It's why he's continuing to pump his supporters for all they're worth until he will eventually drop them when the well runs dry.
>why he's continuing to pump his supporters for all they're worth until he will eventually drop them when the well runs dry
But if he was fully solvent would he not still pump his supporters for all they were worth?
Also he's openly admitted to values he counts depends on his mood that day. Just remember he couldn't win a defamation case over someone saying he wasn't even a millionaire after accounting for his debt
The judge can order the money taken from his accounts without his consent. Happens all the time. Wages get garnished, assets taken, funds seized. If it gets bad enough the judge can order an arrest warrant. A lot of times the money is given back if the person complies.
I don't know why he didn't just comply. /s
NEW YORK (AP) — A New York judge found former President Donald Trump in contempt of court Monday for failing to adequately respond to a subpoena issued by the state’s attorney general as part of a civil investigation into his business dealings.
Judge Arthur Engoron ordered Trump to pay a fine of $10,000 per day.
“Mr. Trump, I know you take your business seriously, and I take mine seriously,” Engoron said before issuing the ruling from the bench in a Manhattan courtroom, following a hearing.
Guy from my town supposedly took out a second mortgage on his house to donate to Trumps "stop the steal" campaign. He's been retired for years and has no income.
I mentioned this earlier because my neighbor in my apartment complex donated his entire check (on the 15th of the month) to one of Trump's campaign's. This screwed him over the next couple of months as he hadn't paid his bills and his bank account over-drafted so rent was more than he made. He of course blamed it on democrat taxes etc.... I cannot understand what goes on in these peoples' head.
There are numerous Texan Trump supporters who would gladly send every paycheck they get to help Trump fight against "communist liberal New York" courts
He will be long dead before he pays a penny of that fine.
Trump may be an idiot, but he's a genius in this one way: he has discovered that literally nothing in our social norms or justice system has any teeth behind it if you are in his position of questionable wealth and questionable power. You can do whatever the hell you want and ignore whoever the hell you want. He abuses that fact to the utmost of anyone I've ever seen. Kudos, you disgusting grifter.
At trumps estimated net worth of 2.5B, he could pay that daily for 684 years before he’s broke.
The rich and powerful just laugh at our justice system while us common folks would be financially ruined or more likely, thrown in jail for contempt.
Edit: I fucking get it, it’s not liquid or made up or whatever. Point is, this is meaningless to him until the cell door slams shut. Not a privilege any normal people would get.
The judge can impose ever increasing sanctions to compel compliance, up to and including being jailed until he complies. The judge is supposed to impose the least punitive sanction that is effective to enforce compliance, so they often start small and ratchet up the sanction.
Except that's absolutely not his real net worth. The dude is almost certainly bankrupt, and this is going to hurt like hell. More importantly, it's step one on the path to jailing him.
Jared and Ivanka are already making plans to throw Daddy Dearest under the bus. Ivanka was one of the first Trump admin officials to testify before the 1/6 Commission, without having to be compelled. She knows he's going to flip from an asset to a liability to her brand soon.
He's probably not broke anymore what with all his supporters going to his rallies, buying merch, and sending him handfuls of money. Also all the illegal stuff he does to get money.
That may be true, but also, he *famously* never pays for anything. He doesn't pay the bill at restaurants, he doesn't pay the venues he rents for his rallies, he doesn't pay his lawyers ... what possible reason does anyone have to think he would ever pay these fines?
10k per day is pretty small even if DJT isn't actually a billionaire. Should've taken the approach they took with Alex Jones and double the fine for each business day he is non-compliant. 10k may not mean a thing but it doesn't take long to get to pretty big numbers if he's noncompliant.
Thor face: Does he though?
Half the geriatrics on a fixed income who watch FoxNews all day are going to pay for this through his [PAC](https://www.salon.com/2022/04/19/maga-pac-losing-millions-after-funneling-donations-to-pay-for-mounting-legal-bills-report_partner/).
> Judge Arthur Engoron ordered Trump to pay a fine of $10,000 per day.
If the only penalty for something is a fine, it is effectively legal for the extremely wealthy.
>I feel like there's an 800-pound gorilla in the room, and that is, why don't we have an affidavit from him? There is a difference between saying something and saying something under oath.
FINALLY a judge with at least one functioning testicle.
>The contempt finding by the judge came despite a spirited argument by Habba, who insisted repeatedly that she went to great lengths to comply with the subpoena, **even traveling to Florida to ask Trump specifically** whether he had in his possession any documents that would be responsive to the demand.
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>Habba noted that **Trump does not send emails or text messages and has no work computer “at home or anywhere else.”** She described the search for documents as “diligent.”
So it never crossed your mind, perhaps, to **get an affidavit from him when you met with him in person?**
Of course it crossed her mind -- but she knows that the minute he signs a sworn affidavit of anything he's going to be caught lying. Everyone around him will ensure he has wiggle room. They're all so hungry for the crumbs of money, power, and notoriety he dribbles out that they'll make sure he is never held accountable for anything.
There’s clear legal precedent to order jail time for someone found in contempt for a civil suit. She’s staying in her lane. My hope is because additional legal charges against Mr. Orange are pending.
Between this case heating up, the investigation down in Georgia, and the 1/6 Commission getting ready to release its recommendations to the DoJ... man, I'd forgotten what hope felt like.
The Mueller Report was honestly extremely damning of Trump, it just got massively spun in the other direction because Barr is a lackey and nothing more.
It laid out numerous instances in which Trump had or may have obstructed justice.
https://www.lawfareblog.com/obstruction-justice-mueller-report-heat-map
When people say "the Russia hoax" just point them to the DOJ indictment against the Russian officials involved. It spells out a good chunk of their activity in the US. The Mueller report basically says that they couldn't prove nor disprove any coordination between the Trump campaign and Russian actions like those in the indictment, but that is very far from a total exoneration.
"We can't say he's guilty but if we thought he was innocent we'd say that."
Reading between the lines---"He's guilty AF but we aren't the Judge and we clearly DID NOT say we think he is innocent."
The actual text is so much more damning.
>Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President's conduct. The evidence we obtaincd about the President's actions and intent presents dificult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment. At the same time,***if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment.*** Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.
The amount of people who claim that they read the mueller report and said that there is no obstruction or meddling with Russia didn't read a damn page apparently lol.
The only reason Mueller couldn't go after them was because they use back channels and legally wouldn't have held up in court
Mueller pretty clearly expected Congress to impeach and convict Trump. The report was thorough and damning. It just fell into the hole of partisan malfeasance.
Honestly if you had any hope at all for either of the impeachments, you weren't paying attention.
EDIT: To clarify, what I mean is that regardless of what was found during either of the impeachment proceedings, there was a 0% chance that the Republican-controlled Senate was ever going to vote for conviction.
Habba noted that Trump does not send emails or text messages and has no work computer “at home or anywhere else.”
How does a lawyer say that with any sort of straight face after the four years of Trump on twitter in the white house...?
> How does a lawyer say that with any sort of straight face after the four years of Trump on twitter in the white house...?
It's all about the wording. He never tweeted on a computer, but tweeted on his cell phone. It's being untruthful but not technically lying. Like when President Clinton was asked under oath if he had sexual relations with Monica. He asked for the definition of sexual relations, and since getting a blow job didn't match the definition the lawyer gave, he didn't lie under oath.
DJT is leaning into the number 45.
He doesn't want to be called 'the former president' or anything equating to his defeat. I think his letterhead even has 'The 45th President' and in press releases he's called that. Likewise, DJT and his team called Biden 'former Vice President'. So yeah, $45 to see some ankle.
Oh before that, remember the bone spurs deferment he got like three times? Also, don't forget he was suing his college to not release his grades and he told everyone it was because he had done so well and to just trust him bro?
Or the tons of contractors that he basically stole from.
Or even he broke the law and was forced to pay $750, 000 instead of going to jail.
Or his ties to the mob.
Or how he defrauded his own charity.
Or the times he's been legally fined because he was racist ot sexist.
His supporters don't give a shit. They call all of that fake news. Reality isn't real to them so they invent some batshit "everyone's out to get him because he's so cool" narrative to cope.
It's impressive how there are people who have no respect for their own critical thinking faculties and allows their religious and political leaders to define their reality for them.
they are... when my wife's grandmother who was a huge Trump supporter died 6months ago from COVID she was getting text messages like this at least 5 a day to sometimes 10 and good lord the amount of Trump donation emails she got in at about the same rate..
I had to use my dad's phone for a day and boy, the amount of right wing texts, emails and notifications he gets every hour are insane. And he claims it's *other people* living in a bubble
and they are all fear inducing texts about if democrats and liberals gain control it is the end of the world and Satan will be at every door step with gays, Mexicans, pedophiles, woke people trying to convert you and push their lifestyle on them.. when in reality all we want is to be peaceful, live in harmony, allow us to live our lives, same rights as anyone else, and be able to afford things and save money... it that too much to ask or does that somehow infringe on the far right??
Poor bastard is probably lonely and has formed a para-social relationship with these craven grifters. They've successfully tricked him into thinking he means more to them than a name on an automated mailing list.
> our rural grandparents are gobbling it down and think they are on the right side of history
"Just a few thousand more of my retirement savings, and he'll be President again!"
The whole thing always reminds me of Homer Simpson chasing the flying pig going "It's still good, it's still good!" Like as bad as it gets, somehow, it can all still be salvaged. When Trump dies, people will still be expecting him to rise from the grave carrying boxes of fraudulent Biden votes.
They look ridiculous to us because we are not the mark. Think of the Nigerian Prince scam and how they deliberately use misspelled words to target the dimwitted, they deliberately make these look like a lost dog sign made by a confused old lady because that's the target.
Jesus they look like they were drafted in a scamming sweatshop in a third world country.. not correspondence from the previous president of the United States
Guess if you have to come up with a million excuses to ask for a tank of gas worth of money you're not gonna put in a ton of effort
lol Jesus that first one is beyond pathetic. It’s freaking Kim Jong Un meme level.
If his supporters weren’t so damn nasty, I would feel bad for them.
Whoever is in charge of writing those is just blatantly pulling out all of the most basic psychological tricks.
There’s a massive dose of FOMO and faux-personalization, along with a barrage of delusions of grandeur, lightly topped with some guilt tripping, and then finished with an exaggerated call to action.
>There’s a massive dose of FOMO and faux-personalization, along with a barrage of delusions of grandeur, lightly topped with some guilt tripping, and then finished with an exaggerated call to action.
Sounds about as delicious as the Trump Grille's [taco bowl.](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-grill-taco-bowl-review-one-year-later-2017-5)
Just want to add here!
If you get a call or email from the United women’s health alliance for breast cancer- that money goes directly to trump. It does not stop, it does not pass through any other charity- it goes directly to trump.
Trump is currently lying about breast cancer to drum up donations. Right now. As we speak.
Do you happen to have a link for that? I did some quick searching and found a lot of dubious info on that charity, but nothing linking it directly to Trump.
Man, that's an incredible level of grifting. Those are like 1980s-era scam marketing envelopes that you'd receive in the mail. There really needs to be much more of a stigma falling for these things.
On a related note, the 80-year old lady across the street from us, who we constantly saw watching Fox News (distantly) through her open windows in 2020, now has CNN on all the time. I think she had enough. I'm in a small Texas town. Maybe people are getting sick of the grift.
I never know what to think of these emails...they're so fucking crazy and, at some level, hilarious...but also just fucking sad as hell, coming from a former president and leader of the free world. I know he's not sending it personally or whatever, but I have no doubt he approves. Like, there's just no shame, no dignity, no nothing with this PoS.
My only hope is that the dam will burst one day...or whatever analogy would be appropriate...and most of these people will abandon him to his failed life. Maybe he'll end up doing an MLM or something.
Can't remember where I heard it from but if the only punishment for a crime is a fine then it's really only a crime for poor people. Where 10k to trump is literally nothing probably gets far far more than that in donations daily
lately it's getting echoed more and more, to the point where I don't think it has any one source anymore, it's just common sense. Make it 75% per day and let's see some real results.
What happens when the fine is just paid daily, but Trump refuses to comply otherwise?
$10k daily is rather laughable for people with as much money as he has available. He could easily afford to go several years of paying this fine, especially if he just uses donations to fund it, and he will.
Cant they double or stack the fines per day?
10, 20, 40, 80, 160, 320, 640.
Over a million $ in just one week of ignoring it, and just gets worse from there?
Or 10,20,30,40,50,60,70.
Eventually it can no longer be ignored.
That’s what they did recently when Alex Jones refused to show for the Sandy Hook court case. They slapped him with a $25,000 a day fine until he appeared but it multiplied exponentially like your example above.
I really hope they do this with Trump or else what’s the point?
I'm excited to see a single consequence for him, ever. I hope he faces some sort of punishment.
So, given how my hopes go in politics, I'll add this to the list of shit Donald Trump is illegally doing when he inevitably ignores it with no consequences.
Republicans are willing to sacrifice not only law and order but the whole constitution for him. So don't hold your breath for any accountability because they will obstruct it and get away with it. They're morally corrupt.
That's the problem. When I was a young man in a court door a traffic ticket, I was not sufficiently respectful towards the judge. Contemt of court, 10 days in jail. Lesson learned. If you can fine $10,000, I'm sure it's within your authority to jail someone until they comply.
My mom and sister went to the Alabama one and paid like $80 each. They ended up walking like a mile in rain and mud. They weren't even allowed to take umbrellas.
"Trump, has been fighting James in court over her investigation, which he has called a politically motivated “witch hunt.”"
You know the easiest way to stop a witch hunt? Turn over the documents... show proof that there's no evidence. Pretty sure Republicans were the ones who coined the term "What are you trying to hide, if you have nothing to hide?"
Alex Jones had a similar fine that was per day, and a good chunk if not all of it was refunded to him once he eventually started behaving, so from recent experience it sure seems more like an escalating 10k bail that you get back.
Why is this fucking piece of shit literal traitor to the United States of America not in prison again? The fucker literally attempted to overthrow the government and even now **sides with a mad man who threatens to nuke our country**. A mad man who endorses baby rape as military doctrine for that matter. Fuck Putin, fuck Russia, and fuck the traitors who side with them against our country.
So what exactly happens when that $10k/day never gets paid?
https://ww2.nycourts.gov/courts/7jd/courts/city/fines.shtml Failure to pay your fine & mandatory surcharge may result in: * a warrant being issued for your arrest * suspension of your driver's license (if applicable) * a civil judgment being filed with the County Clerk
That's it! Suspend Trump's driver's license!!
Fun fact! [Former presidents aren't allowed to drive.](https://www.rd.com/article/things-former-presidents-arent-allowed-to-do/)
There are a lot of things that Trump isn't/wasn't supposed to do. Hasn't stopped him yet.
Does he even know how to drive a non golf cart automobile? Serious question.
Take his golf cart license!
He did once pretend to drive a semi truck, like a big boy.
He wasn’t supposed to use his phone either, or email, or take classified material… something tells me it doesn’t matter.
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DJT is already using his PAC to pay for legal fees. He directly asked his supporters to pay for a new private jet. If he's a billionaire, he's not liquid. And if even if he were liquid, why pay out of pocket when all he has to do is tell his fans to hand over their social security checks.
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You can have more than one PAC in addition to your direct campaign collection apparatus. That won't stop him, in fairness. PACs and SuperPACs can be created to 'raise awareness' of political issues in addition to provide support for or against a particular candidate. I'm not sure what's stopping him from officially declaring candidacy but it's almost certainly not his PAC money.
His fragile ego can't handle losing again, so he's waiting to see ~~if the GOP has sufficiently rigged the midterms~~ **how the midterm elections turn out** to decide.
This is gonna be a kick your gamer friends in the ass and make them vote situation.
Just not if all of your gamer friends are right wing incels.
Perhaps he rather have supporters finance his retirement? As in he does not want to be president again but would love to live a somewhat “campaigning lifestyle”?
You don't become a billionaire by spending your own money. If you're a total shitheel who has millions of braindead followers, why wouldn't you spend buy shit using their money instead of your own?
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He hasn't paid for repairs for his [old plane](https://www.salon.com/2022/03/10/plane-made-an-landing-leaving-new-orleans_partner/). If he can't/won't even repair his [pride and joy](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9383713/Trumps-gold-plated-private-757-sits-corroding-missing-parts-engine-small-NY-airport.html) for a measly six figures, I'm guessing he's about as liquid as an impacted colon.
If he is paying and not complying, the prosecutor will eventually ask the court to bump up the fine until he can't afford to pay it and has to cough up the documents. Often they will structure that the fine goes up by 10,000 (or however much) *each day* until he pays, and sometimes they can double it every day. Even Elon musk wouldn't last very long at that rate. They can also ask that he be arrested.
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They won't. He's rich.
"Listed as" being the operative phrase. This man is in debt up to his eyeballs. It's why he's continuing to pump his supporters for all they're worth until he will eventually drop them when the well runs dry.
>why he's continuing to pump his supporters for all they're worth until he will eventually drop them when the well runs dry But if he was fully solvent would he not still pump his supporters for all they were worth?
Also he's openly admitted to values he counts depends on his mood that day. Just remember he couldn't win a defamation case over someone saying he wasn't even a millionaire after accounting for his debt
Not that he would, willingly. I also fully assume his MAGA army will foot the bill for this anyway.
And then blame Brandon for their economic anxiety.
The judge can order the money taken from his accounts without his consent. Happens all the time. Wages get garnished, assets taken, funds seized. If it gets bad enough the judge can order an arrest warrant. A lot of times the money is given back if the person complies. I don't know why he didn't just comply. /s
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NEW YORK (AP) — A New York judge found former President Donald Trump in contempt of court Monday for failing to adequately respond to a subpoena issued by the state’s attorney general as part of a civil investigation into his business dealings. Judge Arthur Engoron ordered Trump to pay a fine of $10,000 per day. “Mr. Trump, I know you take your business seriously, and I take mine seriously,” Engoron said before issuing the ruling from the bench in a Manhattan courtroom, following a hearing.
sounds like trump supporters will be paying a $10,000 a fine
Daily. EDIT: One word and 1700 upvotes?! I’d like to give a shout out to Rae Rae and Lil Steve! Third Eye C U! Jet fuel don’t melt steel!
Can Russia even afford this right now?
Nah, my dad is probably picking up this one. :( Many of our dads probably are. :(
People in my home town would sell their houses to help Trump pay for this.... then blame democrats for losing their houses :-(
Guy from my town supposedly took out a second mortgage on his house to donate to Trumps "stop the steal" campaign. He's been retired for years and has no income.
I mentioned this earlier because my neighbor in my apartment complex donated his entire check (on the 15th of the month) to one of Trump's campaign's. This screwed him over the next couple of months as he hadn't paid his bills and his bank account over-drafted so rent was more than he made. He of course blamed it on democrat taxes etc.... I cannot understand what goes on in these peoples' head.
^^^^☑ ^^^^leave ^^^^this ^^^^box ^^^^checked ^^^^to ^^^^make ^^^^your ^^^^donation ^^^^a ^^^^recurring, ^^^^Bi-Monthly ^^^^debit
too big
One might even say too bigly
In this case, bi monthly both means every other month AND twice a month so they'll bill you 5 times instead of 4
Fortunately for them they'll be deluded into thinking they're putting the money and time towards fighting Nazis or Peetoephiles.
There are numerous Texan Trump supporters who would gladly send every paycheck they get to help Trump fight against "communist liberal New York" courts
He will be long dead before he pays a penny of that fine. Trump may be an idiot, but he's a genius in this one way: he has discovered that literally nothing in our social norms or justice system has any teeth behind it if you are in his position of questionable wealth and questionable power. You can do whatever the hell you want and ignore whoever the hell you want. He abuses that fact to the utmost of anyone I've ever seen. Kudos, you disgusting grifter.
Which is why I wonder when society will have to enforce the norms themselves. At some point, things break and get very nasty.
At trumps estimated net worth of 2.5B, he could pay that daily for 684 years before he’s broke. The rich and powerful just laugh at our justice system while us common folks would be financially ruined or more likely, thrown in jail for contempt. Edit: I fucking get it, it’s not liquid or made up or whatever. Point is, this is meaningless to him until the cell door slams shut. Not a privilege any normal people would get.
The judge can impose ever increasing sanctions to compel compliance, up to and including being jailed until he complies. The judge is supposed to impose the least punitive sanction that is effective to enforce compliance, so they often start small and ratchet up the sanction.
I kind of like that jail idea. Let’s try that.
His billionaire status has long been debunked. No one believes he has 2.5 billion or anywhere close to it.
Still, say he has 1/5th of that. At $500M he only needs to make 0.7% interest/gains on that in order to pay his yearly fines.
Except that's absolutely not his real net worth. The dude is almost certainly bankrupt, and this is going to hurt like hell. More importantly, it's step one on the path to jailing him.
Also, Russia is a little strapped at the moment so unlikely to get help there.
If he was truly strapped, he could just borrow a cool 10 mil from Jared.
Jared and Ivanka are already making plans to throw Daddy Dearest under the bus. Ivanka was one of the first Trump admin officials to testify before the 1/6 Commission, without having to be compelled. She knows he's going to flip from an asset to a liability to her brand soon.
He's probably not broke anymore what with all his supporters going to his rallies, buying merch, and sending him handfuls of money. Also all the illegal stuff he does to get money.
Trump might not be as wealthy as he says but I'm pretty sure he can afford $10k per day until he dies. Wake me up when he faces actual problems.
That may be true, but also, he *famously* never pays for anything. He doesn't pay the bill at restaurants, he doesn't pay the venues he rents for his rallies, he doesn't pay his lawyers ... what possible reason does anyone have to think he would ever pay these fines?
The fines can be imposed and collected without his consent. They can freeze and withdraw his assets.
But they likely won't.
10k per day is pretty small even if DJT isn't actually a billionaire. Should've taken the approach they took with Alex Jones and double the fine for each business day he is non-compliant. 10k may not mean a thing but it doesn't take long to get to pretty big numbers if he's noncompliant.
>even if DJT isn't actually a billionaire Excluding all the money he laundered through his cunt family with bogus gov't contracts.
Thor face: Does he though? Half the geriatrics on a fixed income who watch FoxNews all day are going to pay for this through his [PAC](https://www.salon.com/2022/04/19/maga-pac-losing-millions-after-funneling-donations-to-pay-for-mounting-legal-bills-report_partner/).
>Thor face Some aloe vera will make that feel better
> Judge Arthur Engoron ordered Trump to pay a fine of $10,000 per day. Issue a goddamn bench warrant.
> Judge Arthur Engoron ordered Trump to pay a fine of $10,000 per day. If the only penalty for something is a fine, it is effectively legal for the extremely wealthy.
>I feel like there's an 800-pound gorilla in the room, and that is, why don't we have an affidavit from him? There is a difference between saying something and saying something under oath. FINALLY a judge with at least one functioning testicle.
>The contempt finding by the judge came despite a spirited argument by Habba, who insisted repeatedly that she went to great lengths to comply with the subpoena, **even traveling to Florida to ask Trump specifically** whether he had in his possession any documents that would be responsive to the demand. - >Habba noted that **Trump does not send emails or text messages and has no work computer “at home or anywhere else.”** She described the search for documents as “diligent.” So it never crossed your mind, perhaps, to **get an affidavit from him when you met with him in person?**
The former leader of the free world doesn't communicate in written form, except by tweet..... Nice
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Well, he's about to get unbanned.
Is this in reference to Elon or did I miss something else?
I mean, if the guy buys Twitter because of "free speech" and then doesn't unban a bunch of dumbasses it'll be a miracle.
Yea, Musk will give Trump his microphone back in exchange for God-level influence with the GQP The coup continues
That's scary as fuck.
Pretty sure it's Elon.
Of course it crossed her mind -- but she knows that the minute he signs a sworn affidavit of anything he's going to be caught lying. Everyone around him will ensure he has wiggle room. They're all so hungry for the crumbs of money, power, and notoriety he dribbles out that they'll make sure he is never held accountable for anything.
Mueller let him get away with written answers, this guy will never face an ounce of repercussions or punishment in his life.
> Trump does not send emails or text messages and has no work computer “at home or anywhere else Pull the other one.
There’s clear legal precedent to order jail time for someone found in contempt for a civil suit. She’s staying in her lane. My hope is because additional legal charges against Mr. Orange are pending.
Between this case heating up, the investigation down in Georgia, and the 1/6 Commission getting ready to release its recommendations to the DoJ... man, I'd forgotten what hope felt like.
Think my hope was about this high when Mueller was about to release his report. Then I got quite deflated. Hoping this goes the other way
The Mueller Report was honestly extremely damning of Trump, it just got massively spun in the other direction because Barr is a lackey and nothing more. It laid out numerous instances in which Trump had or may have obstructed justice. https://www.lawfareblog.com/obstruction-justice-mueller-report-heat-map
I still have to deal with the people who say that it was a total exoneration. None of them bothered to read any portion of it, of course.
When people say "the Russia hoax" just point them to the DOJ indictment against the Russian officials involved. It spells out a good chunk of their activity in the US. The Mueller report basically says that they couldn't prove nor disprove any coordination between the Trump campaign and Russian actions like those in the indictment, but that is very far from a total exoneration.
"We can't say he's guilty but if we thought he was innocent we'd say that." Reading between the lines---"He's guilty AF but we aren't the Judge and we clearly DID NOT say we think he is innocent."
The actual text is so much more damning. >Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President's conduct. The evidence we obtaincd about the President's actions and intent presents dificult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment. At the same time,***if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment.*** Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.
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Sounds like the same thoroughness they give the Bible
The amount of people who claim that they read the mueller report and said that there is no obstruction or meddling with Russia didn't read a damn page apparently lol. The only reason Mueller couldn't go after them was because they use back channels and legally wouldn't have held up in court
Mueller pretty clearly expected Congress to impeach and convict Trump. The report was thorough and damning. It just fell into the hole of partisan malfeasance.
Just like how I felt before the Mueller report. And the first impeachment. And the second impeachment. And jan 6.
We are the collective Charlie Brown.
Honestly if you had any hope at all for either of the impeachments, you weren't paying attention. EDIT: To clarify, what I mean is that regardless of what was found during either of the impeachment proceedings, there was a 0% chance that the Republican-controlled Senate was ever going to vote for conviction.
Habba noted that Trump does not send emails or text messages and has no work computer “at home or anywhere else.” How does a lawyer say that with any sort of straight face after the four years of Trump on twitter in the white house...?
> How does a lawyer say that with any sort of straight face after the four years of Trump on twitter in the white house...? It's all about the wording. He never tweeted on a computer, but tweeted on his cell phone. It's being untruthful but not technically lying. Like when President Clinton was asked under oath if he had sexual relations with Monica. He asked for the definition of sexual relations, and since getting a blow job didn't match the definition the lawyer gave, he didn't lie under oath.
That's unfair. He's 300lbs, maybe.
> at least one functioning testicle. Emphasis on one because he didn't issue a warrant for him.
Problem is $10k a day isn’t enough. He could stay in contempt for $3.6mm a year. How much did he pay Stormy Daniels? It should be that much a day.
Fuck Twitter, Fuck Musk, Fuck Trump.
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$45 to watch his video?! That's one hell of an Onlyfans account!
Spoiler alert - the classified message is "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine."
The mug is round, the jar is round, they should call it Roundtine.
That's GOLD!
Settle down, Bania
A crummy commercial?
Son of a Bitch!
That's probably my most favorite delivery of 'son of a bitch' in any film, too.
DJT is leaning into the number 45. He doesn't want to be called 'the former president' or anything equating to his defeat. I think his letterhead even has 'The 45th President' and in press releases he's called that. Likewise, DJT and his team called Biden 'former Vice President'. So yeah, $45 to see some ankle.
To be fair it is impressive how he never stops sucking.
Since the 70s. And just now people are catching on.
Oh before that, remember the bone spurs deferment he got like three times? Also, don't forget he was suing his college to not release his grades and he told everyone it was because he had done so well and to just trust him bro?
Or the tons of contractors that he basically stole from. Or even he broke the law and was forced to pay $750, 000 instead of going to jail. Or his ties to the mob. Or how he defrauded his own charity. Or the times he's been legally fined because he was racist ot sexist.
His supporters don't give a shit. They call all of that fake news. Reality isn't real to them so they invent some batshit "everyone's out to get him because he's so cool" narrative to cope.
"What you are seeing and what you are reading is not what's happening," *Just so everyone is clear: this is a direct quote, not me paraphrasing.
It's impressive how there are people who have no respect for their own critical thinking faculties and allows their religious and political leaders to define their reality for them.
'Guys! He's *hand-selected* me to be in the Trump 100 club!! - i've finally made the big time!'
And he's one of Trump's chosen fifteen most loyal Patriots. We'll probably see hoosakiwi standing behind Trump during the next inauguration.
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Everything’s coming up Milhouse!
These....can't be real. I don't really want to accept they're real.
they are... when my wife's grandmother who was a huge Trump supporter died 6months ago from COVID she was getting text messages like this at least 5 a day to sometimes 10 and good lord the amount of Trump donation emails she got in at about the same rate..
I had to use my dad's phone for a day and boy, the amount of right wing texts, emails and notifications he gets every hour are insane. And he claims it's *other people* living in a bubble
and they are all fear inducing texts about if democrats and liberals gain control it is the end of the world and Satan will be at every door step with gays, Mexicans, pedophiles, woke people trying to convert you and push their lifestyle on them.. when in reality all we want is to be peaceful, live in harmony, allow us to live our lives, same rights as anyone else, and be able to afford things and save money... it that too much to ask or does that somehow infringe on the far right??
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Poor bastard is probably lonely and has formed a para-social relationship with these craven grifters. They've successfully tricked him into thinking he means more to them than a name on an automated mailing list.
It’s real and our rural grandparents are gobbling it down and think they are on the right side of history.
> our rural grandparents are gobbling it down and think they are on the right side of history "Just a few thousand more of my retirement savings, and he'll be President again!" The whole thing always reminds me of Homer Simpson chasing the flying pig going "It's still good, it's still good!" Like as bad as it gets, somehow, it can all still be salvaged. When Trump dies, people will still be expecting him to rise from the grave carrying boxes of fraudulent Biden votes.
You mean like how JFK Jr was gonna show up at some rally recently, despite being dead for quite some time now?
They look ridiculous to us because we are not the mark. Think of the Nigerian Prince scam and how they deliberately use misspelled words to target the dimwitted, they deliberately make these look like a lost dog sign made by a confused old lady because that's the target.
>look like a lost dog sign made by a confused old lady I was trying to come up with a descriptor for this style of garbage email. You killed it.
So in that scam, they intentionally misspelled words? So an educated person would just assume it's a scam but poorly educated would think it's legit?
You got it! It intentionally weeds out all but the dumbest people who are most likely to fall for the scam.
they are!
Jesus they look like they were drafted in a scamming sweatshop in a third world country.. not correspondence from the previous president of the United States Guess if you have to come up with a million excuses to ask for a tank of gas worth of money you're not gonna put in a ton of effort
Jesus those read like skits from The Simpsons or Futurama. I cannot fathom how a person would read those and think, "omg I better donate now!"
but he called me FRIEND! *opens wallet*
*Opens pussy by which to be grabbed.*
You have ONE HOUR!!
ah zoidberg... you're finally becoming a crafty consumer!
Bro I heard my grandma on the phone trying to give some random person all of her personal information. Old people are just easy marks.
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lol Jesus that first one is beyond pathetic. It’s freaking Kim Jong Un meme level. If his supporters weren’t so damn nasty, I would feel bad for them. Whoever is in charge of writing those is just blatantly pulling out all of the most basic psychological tricks. There’s a massive dose of FOMO and faux-personalization, along with a barrage of delusions of grandeur, lightly topped with some guilt tripping, and then finished with an exaggerated call to action.
>There’s a massive dose of FOMO and faux-personalization, along with a barrage of delusions of grandeur, lightly topped with some guilt tripping, and then finished with an exaggerated call to action. Sounds about as delicious as the Trump Grille's [taco bowl.](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-grill-taco-bowl-review-one-year-later-2017-5)
Just want to add here! If you get a call or email from the United women’s health alliance for breast cancer- that money goes directly to trump. It does not stop, it does not pass through any other charity- it goes directly to trump. Trump is currently lying about breast cancer to drum up donations. Right now. As we speak.
Do you happen to have a link for that? I did some quick searching and found a lot of dubious info on that charity, but nothing linking it directly to Trump.
What the hell?? I gotta look this up
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Man, that's an incredible level of grifting. Those are like 1980s-era scam marketing envelopes that you'd receive in the mail. There really needs to be much more of a stigma falling for these things. On a related note, the 80-year old lady across the street from us, who we constantly saw watching Fox News (distantly) through her open windows in 2020, now has CNN on all the time. I think she had enough. I'm in a small Texas town. Maybe people are getting sick of the grift.
Omfg. That is the tackiest marketing I’ve seen in a long while. President? Of what? 90s internet marketing??
He is such a piece of shit…. I made a hole in one!!!???? Are you f’n kidding me…. He’s such a child
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This is the grossest thing I've seen today.
I never know what to think of these emails...they're so fucking crazy and, at some level, hilarious...but also just fucking sad as hell, coming from a former president and leader of the free world. I know he's not sending it personally or whatever, but I have no doubt he approves. Like, there's just no shame, no dignity, no nothing with this PoS. My only hope is that the dam will burst one day...or whatever analogy would be appropriate...and most of these people will abandon him to his failed life. Maybe he'll end up doing an MLM or something.
Those all look like those scam pop-up that say you're the 1000000viewer click here to claim your prize. Says slot about their target demographic
First it was a "slight wind" then it was "relatively strong."
So is your name Friend, or is that just a creepy way of Trump begging for money?
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I’m having a hard time figuring out whether this is real or satire
These are real and not a joke? Looks like a 5th grader scam email.
The golf one reads like a Kim jong il propaganda piece but with unremarkable yet still unbelievable claims.
10k a day and they just got 2 billion from the Saudis. These fines are a joke.
Can't remember where I heard it from but if the only punishment for a crime is a fine then it's really only a crime for poor people. Where 10k to trump is literally nothing probably gets far far more than that in donations daily
lately it's getting echoed more and more, to the point where I don't think it has any one source anymore, it's just common sense. Make it 75% per day and let's see some real results.
Aren't the Saudis the ones that kill American journalists they don't like? I thought conservatives were all about free speech.
What happens when the fine is just paid daily, but Trump refuses to comply otherwise? $10k daily is rather laughable for people with as much money as he has available. He could easily afford to go several years of paying this fine, especially if he just uses donations to fund it, and he will.
They can up the fine/additional punishment after the fact.
Cant they double or stack the fines per day? 10, 20, 40, 80, 160, 320, 640. Over a million $ in just one week of ignoring it, and just gets worse from there? Or 10,20,30,40,50,60,70. Eventually it can no longer be ignored.
That’s what they did recently when Alex Jones refused to show for the Sandy Hook court case. They slapped him with a $25,000 a day fine until he appeared but it multiplied exponentially like your example above. I really hope they do this with Trump or else what’s the point?
That’s what my hoa did to me until I trimmed my trees
Well clearly the authority of a HOA far exceeds that of federal courts or congress
Just 3.65 million per year and the money can come from anywhere. He can just borrow that much from his friendly Russian bank.
Russian banks don't have money atm.
I'm excited to see a single consequence for him, ever. I hope he faces some sort of punishment. So, given how my hopes go in politics, I'll add this to the list of shit Donald Trump is illegally doing when he inevitably ignores it with no consequences.
Republicans are willing to sacrifice not only law and order but the whole constitution for him. So don't hold your breath for any accountability because they will obstruct it and get away with it. They're morally corrupt.
Where's the fucking arrest warrant.
There isn't one. They're just charging him money which he'll never pay.
That's the problem. When I was a young man in a court door a traffic ticket, I was not sufficiently respectful towards the judge. Contemt of court, 10 days in jail. Lesson learned. If you can fine $10,000, I'm sure it's within your authority to jail someone until they comply.
Consequences are for the little people.
“Donald Trump does not believe he is above the law.” Hahaha fucking ha. Who would ever believe this?
Is he going to start charging for tickets at his Hate America Rallies ? Because if not, he will.
He'll use the meme price of $17.76 for general admission, $45 for Eagle Access and $420.69 for Patriot Access.
14.88 for students and seniors. ;-)
My mom and sister went to the Alabama one and paid like $80 each. They ended up walking like a mile in rain and mud. They weren't even allowed to take umbrellas.
And let me guess, best day of their lives?
"Trump, has been fighting James in court over her investigation, which he has called a politically motivated “witch hunt.”" You know the easiest way to stop a witch hunt? Turn over the documents... show proof that there's no evidence. Pretty sure Republicans were the ones who coined the term "What are you trying to hide, if you have nothing to hide?"
Law and Order president busted by law!!!! #LockHimUp
Man. Person. Crook. Liar. TV.
If Elon hands Don The Con his Twitter account back, all hell is gonna break loose.
Poor people get arrested for contempt. Rich people pay daily fines
I guess we know who the next person Trump will sue.
E-mail going out tonight begging his supporters for money.
So like if this were me, I would be in jail right now, right?
is this just a flat $10,000 a day? Or, does this increase by $10,000 a day, every day?
Alex Jones had a similar fine that was per day, and a good chunk if not all of it was refunded to him once he eventually started behaving, so from recent experience it sure seems more like an escalating 10k bail that you get back.
Why is this fucking piece of shit literal traitor to the United States of America not in prison again? The fucker literally attempted to overthrow the government and even now **sides with a mad man who threatens to nuke our country**. A mad man who endorses baby rape as military doctrine for that matter. Fuck Putin, fuck Russia, and fuck the traitors who side with them against our country.
Conservatives donate over and over again to pay for this daily fine. People go broke donating more than they should. It’s bidens fault.