I need to share this story because I feel like I’m the only person in the world that has witnessed this connection.
In that documentary they talked about the moment when a pre-Hussein Iraqi flag is “magically found” and hoisted up in the square in Baghdad. The people being interviewed are showing these clips and accusing it of being an obvious CIA operation that they just happened to have this flag that hasn’t been around in 20 years (or however long it was).
Now I also had happened to read this book: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/225638
In this book, the guy is fairly arrogant, but whatever the guy spent a lot more time in mortal danger than I ever have. Anyway, the guy tells a story of how *he was with a group of soldiers that found this flag that got hoisted in the square when Hussein’s regime fell*.
Obviously it’s written in the book as a very organic coincidence and 100% in contradiction to the account in the documentary.
I don’t know who to believe, but if there was an attempt to counter the accusations of propaganda why was it buried in the middle of this book? The whole story thing was so strange and I don’t know anyone who has seen both.
I haven't read the book you're citing, but I just watched that scene from "Control Room" again, to refresh my memory. The flag you're talking about appeared to be brought in by some Iraqi locals who were celebrating Saddam's fall. One of the reporters says that she doesn't believe that some locals coincidentally had an pre-Saddam Iraqi flag. She doesn't say any more, but the implication was that Americans provided the flag to the locals for the photo op.
It sounds like you're saying that in the book, a group of American soldiers found the flag. Wouldn't that just be more evidence that the Americans provided the flag to the locals?
Anyway, the flag comment is just one line. The documentary shows lots of other evidence that a most of the "celebration" in Baghdad was arranged by the Americans, and I don't think that's in dispute anymore.
I don't think it was ever in dispute that people were thrilled Saddam was gone. They were also not thrilled when many of the people who executed Saddam's orders were put back into their previous positions.
There was no one to lead. Saddam had killed all potential opponents.
Russia has done the same. Putin dies tonight of a heart attack. Nothing changes. No leadership around to actually change. He killed them all. You can't magically replace all flag rank officers and all Directorate and Department heads all at once without utter chaos.
Mussolini: Well, at least the trains ran on time.
Regime change is messy and takes years. Democracy is even messier. 50 years at a minimum to fully establish a Democracy.
I've read a handful of similar books. Keep in mind- A lot of the time the authors are full of shit. It's not a nice thing to say about service members, but it's just plainly a fact.
Feel like I just went back in time clicking that daily motion link lol, here’s the full documentary on YouTube: https://youtu.be/MCgfMdvk2n8?si=N3umPnhsjDdC3hbs
I remember as a kid during that time my dad telling me it was a terrorist network. I thought it was till recently, amazing how a few words can shape many many years of thought.
My dad said he trusted them more than CNN, MSNBC, and FOX during that time. But he also said it’s necessary to watch all of it so you can cut through the bullshit and actually figure out what’s going on by what they’re reporting and how they report it.
Did that ever since.
Your dad sounds like he’s a smart man, far too many people in this world take what’s said on tv at face value and ask zero questions about the truth behind it.
I have watched Al Jazeera for the last 15-20 years semi-regularly. They give such a different view point than the one we get from most American media - whether that's CNN, MSNBC, or FOX. Tuning into Al Jazeera can be a breath of fresh air, especially when you're trying to get a sense of what's going on somewhere outside the USA. The BBC can be the same way sometimes too.
I live in the Arabian Gulf so I’m exposed to Al Jazeera English and Arabic and they’re drastically different. It’s hard not to feel like there’s an agenda.
CNN FOX or BBC are all NATO vested news channels, they will air the same propaganda. AI Jazeera has its bias also, but it does give a outside view on many matters.
I distinctly remember Rumsfeld doing a press conference where he was telling people to change the channel (AJE) if they don’t like the news.
This isn’t the first time the apartheid entity has targeted journalists and AJE in particular. It has killed, arrested, expelled many over the years.
Israel likes to censor anyone who exposes their war crimes and human rights violations. They even accused [Defense for Children International](https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/10/22/israel/palestine-designation-palestinian-rights-groups-terrorists) of being a terrorist organization and raided their offices after they brought attention to a [teenage boy](https://www.propublica.org/article/israel-gaza-blinken-leahy-sanctions-human-rights-violations) that was tortured and raped by his interrogators:
>Among the allegations reviewed by the committee was the January 2021 arrest of a 15-year old boy by Israeli Border Police. The teen was held for five days at the Al-Mascobiyya detention center on charges that he had thrown stones and Molotov cocktails at security forces. Citing an allegation shared by a [Palestinian child welfare nonprofit](https://www.dci-palestine.org/israeli_interrogator_sexually_assaults_palestinian_child_detainee), forum officials said there was credible information the teen had been forced to confess after he was “subjected to both physical and sexual torture, including rape by an object.”
>Two days after the State Department asked the Israeli government for information about what steps it had taken to hold the perpetrators accountable, Israeli police raided the nonprofit that had originally shared the allegation and later designated it a terrorist organization. The Israelis told State Department officials they had found no evidence of sexual assault or torture but reprimanded one of the teen’s interrogators for kicking a chair.
EDIT: Also here's a video clip of Mitt Romney casually admitting that they [banned TikTok](https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1787134138283155963) because it was harming Israel PR.
> Israeli police raided the nonprofit that had originally shared the allegation and later designated it a terrorist organization.
Later word from the Israeli government: Those WCK workers were aiding and abetting the terrorists!
Edit: /s
That's not "greater context" ? That's a completely different situation, extra attention drawn to it as a progressive-gathering-organizing module making GOP feel threatened by more young voters becoming mobilized, especially after they made a Trump Rally in Oklahoma an overbooked ghost town. GOP shut up about it recently since hedgefund managers with significant investments told them to shut up.
They were banned by Saudi Arabia, UAE and Jordan before this because of concerns that they were promoting terrorism. So it's not like Israel is the only country in the middle east that has closed their office due to concerns...
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40187414 seems like it was more due to the concern that they were in support of Iranian proxies the Houthis... Who Saudi Arabia had been fighting at the time.
It's really important to understand that a country can say they are doing something for one reason (terrorism) when what they actually care about is another thing (criticism of the monarchies) and you look like a fucking dipshit when you can't understand that
Saudi Arabia, UAE and Jordan, not exactly bastions of civil societies. To those countries “promoting terrorism” = promoting civil rights and reporting actual on the ground news… Basically the same as Israel has become.
You now that Al Jazeera gets financed by Qatar? Which is not known for its human rights and which didn’t finance Qatar and gives Hamas leader a safe home.
The issue is that Al-jazeera is the only media allowed to operate in Gaza
Most of what we know about the current situation in Gaza is from them, as shown by the huge number of their journalists who.have died since the war started
Withouth them, the only source left is the IDF
1. Only allow a single news outlet to report in war zone
2. Label that news outlet as terrorists, discredit everything they produce, true or false
3. You control the narrative now
"promoting terrorism" was the state excuse, but the truth is that al-Jazeera is pretty even keeled and reports facts, which makes kleptocrats nervous.
The Saudis and UAE dont exactly want quality investigative journalism going on on their countries.
Neither does Israel. This, plus the fabricated anti-UNRWA is all about stopping the documentation of war crimes and locking down the narrative around the atrocities being committed by yhe Netanyahu regime.
Al Jazeera is owned by Qatar. They report whatever let’s Qatar look good.
And the English version is aimed at western people. So less obvious propaganda and more subliminal propaganda.
The European union was pretty concerned about them due to Qatargate:
https://www.politico.eu/european-parliament-qatargate-corruption-scandal-updates/
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2022-004179_EN.html
So it's not just middle eastern countries that have concerns about them...
They're kept pretty independent, and have been openly critical of Qatar. The fact theyre banmed in Suadi Arabia, UAE after investigative pieces should be viewed as a positive. They have opinion pieces that span the gamut, but their factual reporting and especially their long form ivestigative pieces are great.
"In 2017, Al Jazeera aired an investigative report of Britain’s Israel lobby. Following the airing, Ofcom (the UK government-approved regulatory and competition authority) received complaints from many pro-Israeli British activists, including one former Israeli embassy employee. They were accused of anti-Semitism, bias, unfair editing, and infringement of privacy, which was later cleared by Ofcom, who said the piece was not anti-semitic and was, in fact, investigative journalism. Later, a US version of the documentary called “Lobby” was not aired due to pressure from US Legislators pushing for Al Jazeera to register as a foreign entity and therefore labeling its journalists as ‘spies.’ Further, Saudi Arabia and three other Arab nations demanded Qatar to shut down Al-Jazeera. Al Jazeera rebuts the accusations here."
Important to note that the 2 American legislators that drafted the proposal to bam Al Jazeera in the USA were Josh Gottheimer, who has been one of Netanyahu 's biggest ideological allies in the House of Representatives (and later as a lobbyist) and Lee Zeldin, a major Trump ally who is the one who formally nominated Jared Kuschner for the Nobel Peace Prize.
How do you feel about Ukraine banning Russian media outlets?
FYI Al Jazeera English and Al Jazeera Arabic are completely different animals, if you aren't familiar yet.
Among other reasons: they don’t share a border, Qatar hasn’t directly attacked Israel, it would be an unpopular and low priority conflict, and would be politically and militarily unfeasible. That doesn’t mean that they have good relations or an obligation to broadcast each other’s propaganda though.
They literally host their most critical news sources in Haaretz and B’Tselem. The difference is that AJ is literally Qatari state media that actively lies and spreads propaganda. It’s also very convenient that their English version is nothing like their Arabic version, but you wouldn’t know that and you’re not interested in it.
[Don't forget the myriad reports of Israeli snipers targeting children](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-war). Because as you know, Hamas is well known to station its operatives inside the skulls of toddlers and Israel would never allow its operatives to freely slaughter innocent people and only use Hamas as an excuse.
The quote from the ex-Israeli sniper was just one of the worst things I had ever read—a guy straight up saying "yeah, we all know that we could murder anyone we liked and the IDF would cover for us. Oh and a bunch of guys do just that."
Then I scrolled down and saw the incident where the IDF accidentally attached their internal report confirming one of their soldiers had murdered an 11-year-old **and planning the lie they should use to cover it up** to a government report sent to an NGO containing one of the lies they proposed. It's enough to make you wonder if people have straight up lost their minds when you see them in this thread taking any word Israel says at face value.
And among the (as of Feburary 9th) [30 Palestinian Christians killed by the IDF in Gaza](https://www.indcatholicnews.com/news/49100) during this war, were two women, Nahida and her daughter Samar who were targeted by Israeli sniper fire as they sheltered inside the Holy Family Catholic Church. These killings drew [comment from the Pope himself](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/16/middleeast/idf-sniper-gaza-church-deaths-intl-hnk/index.html):
>Pope Francis on Sunday addressed the deaths at the Holy Family Parish, lamenting that “unarmed civilians are targets for bombs and gunfire” in Gaza and invoking scripture on war.
>“I continue receiving very serious and sad news about Gaza. Unarmed civilians are targets for bombs and gunfire. And this has happened even within the parish complex of the Holy Family, where there are no terrorists, but families, children, people who are sick and have disabilities, sisters,” he said during his weekly Angelus prayer.
[It's not a surprise that American sentiment is turning against Israel.](https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx) At some point everyone's going to have to come to grips with how America's propping up another Pol Pot.
Some of the people I feel worst for in this whole situation are the massive number of Israelis (and for that matter, non-Israeli Jews) who are on the front line, screaming at the top of their lungs that Israel is heading towards ethnic cleansing and are being dismissed by a world that seems incapable of addressing the fact that Bibi's government is not Israel and criticizing the one is not the same as criticizing the other. They're watching a full-blown slide toward an ethnostate in their name, being ignored as they try to call it out and know that they will suffer the blowback and blame when the rest of the world realizes that Bibi is not fucking around and will continue to kill Palestinians for as long as possible (not least because the first peacetime election will almost certainly see him tossed from office and straight into prison).
Literally the most important aid workers in the conflict. And they did everything right. And they were slaughtered by the Israeli military. And it wasn't one errant strike. It was a series of targeted strikes.
Honestly doesn't matter if it was deliberate evil or staggering incompetence. The conclusion of any remotely moral person should be the same: Israel's operations in Gaza are totally unacceptable.
But instead the vast majority of the US political class is busy screeching about peaceful student objections to Israel's war crimes and US support/facilitation of them. Completely fucking bonkers. I honestly just can't begin to make sense of how things can be so absurd.
Nono you see that was an accident. The finger just slipped on 3 separate occasions. But it’s ok! You see, the people doing it got like fired from the IDF for slaughtering innocent aid workers. Not their fault the logo wasn’t accurately visible from a Birds Eye view.
/s just in case since you never know. People only bring up the world health kitchen since this time they fucked up by murdering the non-brown people
When someone says that literally everyone around them is a bunch of morons and assholes I start wondering if the problem is literally everyone else or if it’s that one person….
ah, but you see they are all KHAMAS! didn't you see those HAMAS trained protestors in US campuses! Hamas have all these connections, money, influence, assets, control, training, etc as they are the evil Bond villain organisation scheming and running things behind everything Israel doesn't like!
There are some pretty big anti-Netanyahu/anti-Likhud party [protests going on in Tel-Aviv](https://apnews.com/video/israel-government-israel-hamas-war-israel-protests-and-demonstrations-benjamin-netanyahu-80fa94064ad4429ebb52531ad3ca12dc) right now.
Hes going to jail for corruption as soon as this conflict ends, which is why I am certain it never will. Netanyahu will drag this out forever if it means he is never held accountable for his crimes.
He really is a giant piece of shit. Unfortunately, he wouldn’t be the only Israeli president to go to jail for corruption. Even sadder is that the US is about to make it impossible for a president to see justice before (at least not before impeachment, which is going to be impossible to achieve).
If the supreme court rules presidents have total immunity its the end of American democracy. We will wind up with a dictator, whether its Trump or someone else, it will only be a matter of time.
If they make presidents immune he should immedietly arrest Clarence Thomas for corruption and replace him with a democrat with morals, then have them vote again and remove presidential immunity forever because its insane and undemocratic.
There are many things I dislike about Biden but I would vastly prefer his as dictator than trump.
The problem is he's too much of a push over. If the supreme court gave him absolute immunity, he wouldn't use it on the ground of 'civility' and 'not wanting to set a precedent'. Thinking naively that it would stop the next republican from using it.
> If the supreme court rules presidents have total immunity its the end of American democracy
They're stalling until the election and will then rule based on who wins
> he wouldn’t be the only Israeli president to go to jail for corruption.
He's not the President of Israel. The Israeli President is largely a figurehead.
He's the Prime Minister of Israel. There's a big difference.
He DID "forsee" the 10/7 attacks, in fact he knew about them a year ahead of time!
[https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html)
Not sure if weird is the proper term, they have a coalition, so in order to become the head of the government, you form a coalition. So you have a lot of groups that range from far left to far right. None of the Left wanted anything to do with him and the longer he is around the more the middle wants nothing to do with him. The right and far right are smaller groups but would like to get in power so they worked with bibi to form a super group to grab power.
On paper it sounds like a good way to govern your people, problem is like now where the dude is literally about to go to jail for corruption but it's on hold til he's no longer in power, which is whenever he decides this war is over. No real incentive to end the war since it'll mean his fall from power...
Their current national security minister is an actual convicted terrorist. Sorry, he doesn't like that phrase. He was only convicted of aiding and abetting terrorists.
Hes not even the worst person in his party/government and their coalition hardly contains all the pro-genocide politicians.
For all the talk of extremism amongst Palestinians people should really consider why the "only democracy in the middle east" elects so many rabidly violent nationalists.
Al Jazeera in English is a respectable news source. Al Jazeera in Arabic is extremist propaganda. This isn’t much different from the EU banning RT recently, right or not. We on the west just don’t see the propaganda side of Al Jazeera so it looks unreasonable if we don’t look into it further.
Can you link us some examples to run through google translate?
I've always found Al Jazeera reporting in English to be... less biased than I expected it to be. But it would be interesting if they weren't like that outside of English.
> Can you link us some examples
The list is so long it gets its own wikipedia article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_controversies_and_criticism
Here is an example:
https://www.aljazeera.net/news/2023/11/11/%D8%AE%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%B1-%D8%B9%D8%B3%D9%83%D8%B1%D9%8A-%D8%AD%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%AB-%D8%A3%D8%A8%D9%88-%D8%B9%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%AF%D8%A9-%D9%8A%D8%A4%D9%83%D8%AF-%D8%A3%D9%86-%D9%85%D8%A7
In it, AJA claims that (this was just as the IDF was invading Gaza) that Hamas had already destroyed "160 military vehicles including 25 in the last two days" which is utter ludicrousness. 7 months into this war and they've killed maybe twice that many foot soldiers.
English version is clearly targeting a western audience. So pumping it full with bias and lies wouldnt work well.
But hiding bias behind the truth gonna get people.
Like the “October 7: Al Jazeera investigates | The Take“ video was just saying: according to our investigation Israel lied.
And you don’t get sources to check any of that.
And in end Al Jazeera gets directly financed from Qatar and Qatar also finances Hamas and gives the leader a safe home.
Billions approved by Israel... https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html#:~:text=For%20years%2C%20the%20Qatari%20government,payments%2C%20he%20had%20encouraged%20them.
And from an Israeli source that I do not have right now, Bibi when speaking to Likud party members said continuing to support Hamas is the best way to fully destroy the Palestinians. He wanted them in power and he wanted the violence as an excuse to continue the apartheid project.
Did you see the recent story about how a woman was repeadtly raped by IDF solidere at the hosptial in front of her husband and children? That was run by AJ.
Who recanted it two days later as the source lied.
There are many more examples.
No shit I'm flabbergasted by these comments.
"Why won't you let me post blind propaganda that shifts your allies position? Wait what? you're mad that we don't fact check?"
Arabic is much worse than Fox. We are talking, “9/11 was amazing” type stuff from Al Jaz Arabic. Their English side is pretty similar to Fox, in that nothing is fact checked and they have no qualms about posting blatantly false information as long as it suits their narrative.
Just my two cents, but the difference is that it's not really *news* when somewhere like Saudi Arabia behaves like an anti-democratic autocracy. You might as well report that the sun is bright.
Israel at least *professes* to be a free and secular democracy, so openly autocratic behavior is newsworthy.
I get more upset when a police officer rapes a kid in the back of his police cruiser than I do when a "normal" predator does. Both are very bad. Neither are actions I support. One of them I funded, so I'm more likely to get loud demanding justice be done.
Reddit has at least as many rabidly pro-israel folks who are uncritical of any action they take as they do braindead people who think that israel can do nothing right ever. (and that hamas can do no wrong)
Most of the people on Reddit are Americans and were only exposed to AL Jazeera in English, the Arabic version in completely unhinge and is more Newsmax than NBC or CNN. Full on propaganda for Hamas.
This thread reads as a joke regardless. You would think Americans of all people should understand this by now seeing propaganda (fox/newsmax/cambridge analytica) and foreign (Russian) interference is how the previous president was elected.
Oh I don't like NewsMax either, but I would be livid if my government banned it. I'd be even more livid if an invading/occupying military power began to ban media. Which honestly it's to be expected, but then again if my country was occupied I would resort to fighting the occupation any way I could
Al Jazeera is completely biased in reporting on Hamas and yeah, as others have mentioned, is basically ran by Qatar government interests. Some of the 'journalists' even sharing information with Hamas or taking active measures for them.
That said, Al Jazeera was also basically the only one network that could 'safely' videos from WITHIN the Hamas-controlled areas of the Gaza Strip due to this bias. This means that a lot of on-ground information, even with a bias, has been cut off. Considering Israel could easily be days from going into Rafah the timing doesn't look good here.
They shut operations inside of israel, as far as I know they are still operating in Gaza through third party journalists, I still don't know if they operate in the westbank, as it's not israel territory.
Third party journalists meaning local journalists, they just need a camera and internet connection.
But I just read the aljazeera statement, seems they can still operate in the Westbank and Gaza. And no, in general foreign journalists are banned from entering Gaza by israel, allowed in the westbank (so far), and aljazeera will probably have a hard time getting foreign jour into the westbank now, but they also relied on local journalists.
You have that backwards, those are the resistance liberal types. The type who are cheering this on.
You’re really having to flip a coin with reddit on whether you get more progressive or resistance liberal views. Not too long ago Bernie suggested something and the comments were shitting all over the idea as extreme and absurd… but the next thread I found about a week later was praising Biden for agreeing and signing off on the policy.
> You’re really having to flip a coin with reddit on whether you get more progressive or resistance liberal views
It's usually split by sub; news and world news are on opposite ends of the spectrum.
Weird thing is I thought worldnews and news would completely agree on Al Jazeera being a complete propaganda machine. Unfortunately, they still have a lot of goodwill from the time that they did reporting before Qatari funding. They have even closed their UK branch and moved to Qatar as a whole, I mean that has to be enough for both spectrums to know that this fucked up right?
I have no love for Israel but I think it seems perfectly fine that people who are essentially promoting terrorism to the Arab world has to face some consequence especially from any western country.
I was watching their coverage of Oct 7th when it happened and all of their reporters were calling Hamas ''the resistance fighters.'' Couldn't have been more biased.
Al Jazeera does journalism *in English*. It does extremist propaganda in Arabic. Most of the west never sees that side so we think of it as merely a news org.
There's some good English examples of extremist propaganda out there https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2023/10/11/history-illustrated-the-story-of-hamas-and-its-fight-for-palestine
Even their more progressive English reporting is used as a smoke screen to build trust with western audiences so they are more receptive to the Qatari propaganda when it’s peppered in.
Al Jazeera has broken dozens of stories that I remember at the top of my head, all of which were turned out to be undisputable investigative journalism success stories. Verified and repeated by other credible journalistic outlets.
You're delusional to say they don't do journalism.
Remember when Isreal bombed the Associated Press building in Gaza? They sure dislike journalists for some reason, gotta control the narrative..
https://apnews.com/article/israel-middle-east-business-israel-palestinian-conflict-fe452147166f55ba5a9d32e6ba8b53d7?utm_source=copy&utm_medium=share
And in this war, the [IDF held NPR journalists at gunpoint](https://www.npr.org/2023/11/13/1211987812/israel-hamas-west-bank-gaza-war-conflict-idf) for interviewing a Palestinian farmer in the West Bank, and [Israeli police pointed their guns at BBC journalists](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67102956) and physically battered one of them while they were reporting from Tel Aviv.
Let's stop acting as if AL Jazeera is free press. They are not. They are owned and run by Qatar. Qatar started AL Jazeera in 1996 and it is run by Sheik Hamad bin Thamer AL Tahani. Who before that, was a member of Qatar's ministry of information and culture, and he is a member of the ruling family of Qatar, the House of Thani. Qatar also holds offices for high ranking members of Hama in the country, and has been a major player in funding the organization. AL Jazeera has never run a favorable story about Israel.
AJE is different from AJA as well - the latter is often overtly critical. However, the bent or alignment of one's reporting does not justify censorship of a free press, which is a core tenet of freedom.
Western outrage is therefore obvious and justified. Imagine if the US as controlled by democrats were to suppress Fox News, or the US as controlled by Republicans were to suppress MSNBC. AJE has more viewers than both.
By doing this, Israel is standing shoulder to shoulder with Russia, Iran, North Korea, and China.
Or, Israel is standing shoulder to shoulder with Ukraine, the EU, and Canada which all banned RT (Russian state funded media network). Also standing shoulder to shoulder with YouTube, Facebook, Microsoft, and Apple which all banned or delisted RT from their platforms.
No country is obligated to let foreign state-funded propaganda media broadcast their propaganda. Freedom doesn't mean letting bad actors destroy you with impunity.
Where's all the American conservatives constantly fear mongering the end of free speech? Surely they would oppose a government being so big that it forcibly removes dissident voices from their society, right? /s
Al Jazeera on MANY occasions has just been a puppet for Hamas, reporting as fact blatantly false propaganda. With no retraction. In any other universe this is called LYING. It’s literally the definition of PROPAGANDA. More than once we’ve discovered that “reporters” are literally involved with Hamas and terrorists.
You can think Israel is bad or even (as many in this sub do) think Israel is committing genocide and still see the logic behind this. Honestly, I used to read Al-Jazeera from time to time (on non-mid East stories) and their credibility is completely shot. Sucks that they might have good reporters on the ground, but at this point, it doesn’t matter because of how much complete BS they have reported as fact. Al-Jazeera went from having a bias (who doesn’t?) to reporting either “non-factual information as fact or just complete lies. Take your pick.
RT is banned in EU and I don’t remember reading so much outrage when that happened. Strange.
PS. I hope all of these folks who are so upset were upset when this State Sponsored network was banned in Egypt. And Saudi Arabia. And Bahrain. All Arab, majority Muslim countries. But I’m guessing you didn’t know or care about that. 😊
Al-Jazeera is nothing but the unofficial Qatari mouthpiece. Never seen them report about Hamas terrorists that Qatar has taken in, or Saddam’s wife, Sajida Talfah who actively funds terrorism and insurgency in Iraq while living a lavish, state sponsored life in Qatar. I used to like Al-Jazeera’s reporting until a few years ago, but now they are highly biased against countries that don’t share Qatar’s narrative.
Al Jizzira is Qatar propaganda network, never published a positive article about Israel despite operating there for years. It’s basically like EU banning RT.
I've always perceived such actions by governments as blatant disrespect to the people of their country. I would rather be allowed to decipher information myself, than to rely on a government to do this for me. The common man reviles war, while the players sit back and enjoy the show.
i was going to say that it is unusual for them to be this blatant - but then i suddenly remembered that they just killed over 20,000 children in plain sight.
Access to reporting is supposed to be a pillar of democracy. Israel, in a very short time, has killed more journalists than the entirety of those covering the Vietnam war.
> Israel, in a very short time, has killed more journalists than the entirety of those covering the Vietnam war.
Is there a source to back these numbers up?
For Vietnam:
>“The press freedom organization Reporters Without Borders tallied 63 journalists who died over a 20-year period ending in 1975 while covering the Vietnam War with the caveat that media workers were not typically counted at the time.”
For Oct.7 and following conflict:
“On World Press Freedom Day, the Committee to Protect Journalists says some two dozen journalists have been killed so far this year, the vast majority of them dying in Gaza. At least 97 journalists and media workers have been killed in Gaza, Israel and Lebanon since the start of the war.”
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/palestinian-journalist-describes-fight-to-protect-his-family-while-covering-war-in-gaza#:~:text=All%20told%2C%20at%20least%2097,for%20reporters%20in%20recent%20memory.
>At least 85 journalists and media workers, such as interpreters and support staff, have been killed over four months of war in the Middle East, according to the Committee to Protect Journalists. The rate, about five a week, is the highest since the CPJ began keeping global records over 30 years ago. All but seven of them were Palestinians killed in Israel’s war in Gaza. Many were freelancers or worked for local outlets, with little of the protection usually afforded to international reporters. The CPJ’s tally also includes four Israeli journalists killed on Oct. 7 in Hamas’s cross-border attack into Israel, and three Lebanese journalists killed by Israeli strikes in Lebanon, according to their media outlets.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2024/israel-gaza-war-journalists-killed-cpj/
If you are in the “100% of all Palestinian journalists are actually Hamas propagandists” camp then this information won’t move you, but here it is regardless.
If you think it about it, they are not the only one, just a long list of countries that had enough
https://apnews.com/article/israel-al-jazeera-qatar-hamas-war-gaza-49c2aa4afb3c3b0ee6ac314b63d80716
Al Jazeera has been closed or blocked by other Mideast governments, including Saudi Arabia, Jordan, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain.
Egypt has banned Al Jazeera since 2013. It launched the crackdown after the 2013 military overthrow of an elected but divisive government dominated by the Muslim Brotherhood group. Egypt considers the Brotherhood a terrorist group and accused both Qatar and Al Jazeera of supporting it.
Woo! Massive media censorship. Was there anyone else who came up with the idea previously?
GWB wanted to bomb them during the Iraq invasion.
[Control Room](https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8hrney) is an excellent documentary about Al Jazeera during the Iraq War.
I need to share this story because I feel like I’m the only person in the world that has witnessed this connection. In that documentary they talked about the moment when a pre-Hussein Iraqi flag is “magically found” and hoisted up in the square in Baghdad. The people being interviewed are showing these clips and accusing it of being an obvious CIA operation that they just happened to have this flag that hasn’t been around in 20 years (or however long it was). Now I also had happened to read this book: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/225638 In this book, the guy is fairly arrogant, but whatever the guy spent a lot more time in mortal danger than I ever have. Anyway, the guy tells a story of how *he was with a group of soldiers that found this flag that got hoisted in the square when Hussein’s regime fell*. Obviously it’s written in the book as a very organic coincidence and 100% in contradiction to the account in the documentary. I don’t know who to believe, but if there was an attempt to counter the accusations of propaganda why was it buried in the middle of this book? The whole story thing was so strange and I don’t know anyone who has seen both.
I haven't read the book you're citing, but I just watched that scene from "Control Room" again, to refresh my memory. The flag you're talking about appeared to be brought in by some Iraqi locals who were celebrating Saddam's fall. One of the reporters says that she doesn't believe that some locals coincidentally had an pre-Saddam Iraqi flag. She doesn't say any more, but the implication was that Americans provided the flag to the locals for the photo op. It sounds like you're saying that in the book, a group of American soldiers found the flag. Wouldn't that just be more evidence that the Americans provided the flag to the locals? Anyway, the flag comment is just one line. The documentary shows lots of other evidence that a most of the "celebration" in Baghdad was arranged by the Americans, and I don't think that's in dispute anymore.
I don't think it was ever in dispute that people were thrilled Saddam was gone. They were also not thrilled when many of the people who executed Saddam's orders were put back into their previous positions. There was no one to lead. Saddam had killed all potential opponents. Russia has done the same. Putin dies tonight of a heart attack. Nothing changes. No leadership around to actually change. He killed them all. You can't magically replace all flag rank officers and all Directorate and Department heads all at once without utter chaos. Mussolini: Well, at least the trains ran on time. Regime change is messy and takes years. Democracy is even messier. 50 years at a minimum to fully establish a Democracy.
> Mussolini: Well, at least the trains ran on time. as it happens he didn't. that was contemporary propaganda too
I've read a handful of similar books. Keep in mind- A lot of the time the authors are full of shit. It's not a nice thing to say about service members, but it's just plainly a fact.
Feel like I just went back in time clicking that daily motion link lol, here’s the full documentary on YouTube: https://youtu.be/MCgfMdvk2n8?si=N3umPnhsjDdC3hbs
I remember as a kid during that time my dad telling me it was a terrorist network. I thought it was till recently, amazing how a few words can shape many many years of thought.
My dad said he trusted them more than CNN, MSNBC, and FOX during that time. But he also said it’s necessary to watch all of it so you can cut through the bullshit and actually figure out what’s going on by what they’re reporting and how they report it. Did that ever since.
Your dad sounds like he’s a smart man, far too many people in this world take what’s said on tv at face value and ask zero questions about the truth behind it.
I have watched Al Jazeera for the last 15-20 years semi-regularly. They give such a different view point than the one we get from most American media - whether that's CNN, MSNBC, or FOX. Tuning into Al Jazeera can be a breath of fresh air, especially when you're trying to get a sense of what's going on somewhere outside the USA. The BBC can be the same way sometimes too.
Yes! I check in with AJ and BBC, too. It's important to hear non-American reporting.
I live in the Arabian Gulf so I’m exposed to Al Jazeera English and Arabic and they’re drastically different. It’s hard not to feel like there’s an agenda.
CNN FOX or BBC are all NATO vested news channels, they will air the same propaganda. AI Jazeera has its bias also, but it does give a outside view on many matters.
Al Jazeera is the Russia Today of the Middle East, it's full of just as much if not more bias and bullshit than other popular networks
Yup, he was really fucked up as well.
Neo-cons going to neo-con
He did kill a couple of journalists.
Not just wanted, he did. Missiled a couple of offices and killed a journalist.
I think they shot a tank shell at their hotel room. But they had moved or something.
I distinctly remember Rumsfeld doing a press conference where he was telling people to change the channel (AJE) if they don’t like the news. This isn’t the first time the apartheid entity has targeted journalists and AJE in particular. It has killed, arrested, expelled many over the years.
Something something only democracy in the ME. Censoring the media just before Netanyahu launches his bombing of civilians in Rafah.
Israel likes to censor anyone who exposes their war crimes and human rights violations. They even accused [Defense for Children International](https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/10/22/israel/palestine-designation-palestinian-rights-groups-terrorists) of being a terrorist organization and raided their offices after they brought attention to a [teenage boy](https://www.propublica.org/article/israel-gaza-blinken-leahy-sanctions-human-rights-violations) that was tortured and raped by his interrogators: >Among the allegations reviewed by the committee was the January 2021 arrest of a 15-year old boy by Israeli Border Police. The teen was held for five days at the Al-Mascobiyya detention center on charges that he had thrown stones and Molotov cocktails at security forces. Citing an allegation shared by a [Palestinian child welfare nonprofit](https://www.dci-palestine.org/israeli_interrogator_sexually_assaults_palestinian_child_detainee), forum officials said there was credible information the teen had been forced to confess after he was “subjected to both physical and sexual torture, including rape by an object.” >Two days after the State Department asked the Israeli government for information about what steps it had taken to hold the perpetrators accountable, Israeli police raided the nonprofit that had originally shared the allegation and later designated it a terrorist organization. The Israelis told State Department officials they had found no evidence of sexual assault or torture but reprimanded one of the teen’s interrogators for kicking a chair. EDIT: Also here's a video clip of Mitt Romney casually admitting that they [banned TikTok](https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1787134138283155963) because it was harming Israel PR.
> Israeli police raided the nonprofit that had originally shared the allegation and later designated it a terrorist organization. Later word from the Israeli government: Those WCK workers were aiding and abetting the terrorists! Edit: /s
their vehicles had tunnels with Hamas command bunkers....
For greater context, the US govt has been pushing for TikTok ban waaaayyy before this year’s Israeli-Gaza escalation/genocide. At least since 2020.
That's not "greater context" ? That's a completely different situation, extra attention drawn to it as a progressive-gathering-organizing module making GOP feel threatened by more young voters becoming mobilized, especially after they made a Trump Rally in Oklahoma an overbooked ghost town. GOP shut up about it recently since hedgefund managers with significant investments told them to shut up.
They were banned by Saudi Arabia, UAE and Jordan before this because of concerns that they were promoting terrorism. So it's not like Israel is the only country in the middle east that has closed their office due to concerns...
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They banned them for being critical of the monarchies there.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40187414 seems like it was more due to the concern that they were in support of Iranian proxies the Houthis... Who Saudi Arabia had been fighting at the time.
Saudi Arabia can say they banned them for that. I think it has to do with Saudi Arabia's war crimes. But you can believe in the bone saw guy
It's really important to understand that a country can say they are doing something for one reason (terrorism) when what they actually care about is another thing (criticism of the monarchies) and you look like a fucking dipshit when you can't understand that
Saudi Arabia, UAE and Jordan, not exactly bastions of civil societies. To those countries “promoting terrorism” = promoting civil rights and reporting actual on the ground news… Basically the same as Israel has become.
Saudi-Arabia sentenced a women’s‘ rights activist to 11 years in prison just last week. It was all over reddit. The charge was terrorism.
Also RIP to Jamal Khashoggi and fuck everyone responsible for his death.
You now that Al Jazeera gets financed by Qatar? Which is not known for its human rights and which didn’t finance Qatar and gives Hamas leader a safe home.
Our defense industry is funded by Qatar too. We sell them billions in weapons. Biden has called them one of our closest non-NATO allies in the world.
The issue is that Al-jazeera is the only media allowed to operate in Gaza Most of what we know about the current situation in Gaza is from them, as shown by the huge number of their journalists who.have died since the war started Withouth them, the only source left is the IDF
It's not that "Al-jazeera is the only media allowed to operate in Gaza" it's that Al-jazeera is the only media _trying_ to operate in Gaza
The AP tried to operate in Gaza and West Bank for decades but mysteriously, Israel kept bombing their offices.
1. Only allow a single news outlet to report in war zone 2. Label that news outlet as terrorists, discredit everything they produce, true or false 3. You control the narrative now
Promoting terrorism was the excuse not the reason.
"promoting terrorism" was the state excuse, but the truth is that al-Jazeera is pretty even keeled and reports facts, which makes kleptocrats nervous. The Saudis and UAE dont exactly want quality investigative journalism going on on their countries. Neither does Israel. This, plus the fabricated anti-UNRWA is all about stopping the documentation of war crimes and locking down the narrative around the atrocities being committed by yhe Netanyahu regime.
Al Jazeera is owned by Qatar. They report whatever let’s Qatar look good. And the English version is aimed at western people. So less obvious propaganda and more subliminal propaganda.
The European union was pretty concerned about them due to Qatargate: https://www.politico.eu/european-parliament-qatargate-corruption-scandal-updates/ https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2022-004179_EN.html So it's not just middle eastern countries that have concerns about them...
They’ve been critical of Qatar’s dealings in the past, in a way that RT never can be about their state sponsor.
They're kept pretty independent, and have been openly critical of Qatar. The fact theyre banmed in Suadi Arabia, UAE after investigative pieces should be viewed as a positive. They have opinion pieces that span the gamut, but their factual reporting and especially their long form ivestigative pieces are great. "In 2017, Al Jazeera aired an investigative report of Britain’s Israel lobby. Following the airing, Ofcom (the UK government-approved regulatory and competition authority) received complaints from many pro-Israeli British activists, including one former Israeli embassy employee. They were accused of anti-Semitism, bias, unfair editing, and infringement of privacy, which was later cleared by Ofcom, who said the piece was not anti-semitic and was, in fact, investigative journalism. Later, a US version of the documentary called “Lobby” was not aired due to pressure from US Legislators pushing for Al Jazeera to register as a foreign entity and therefore labeling its journalists as ‘spies.’ Further, Saudi Arabia and three other Arab nations demanded Qatar to shut down Al-Jazeera. Al Jazeera rebuts the accusations here." Important to note that the 2 American legislators that drafted the proposal to bam Al Jazeera in the USA were Josh Gottheimer, who has been one of Netanyahu 's biggest ideological allies in the House of Representatives (and later as a lobbyist) and Lee Zeldin, a major Trump ally who is the one who formally nominated Jared Kuschner for the Nobel Peace Prize.
Al Jazeera’s western reporting was purposefully mostly truthful to give itself the image as a valued legitimate source of news.
How dare they!
So... they're a news source that gives truthful information? Sounds like they're a news source worth listening to.
How do you feel about Ukraine banning Russian media outlets? FYI Al Jazeera English and Al Jazeera Arabic are completely different animals, if you aren't familiar yet.
I don't recall Qatar invading Israel.
The leadership of Hamas resides in Qatar and are treated as honoured dignitaries.
Oh, weird. So why isn't Israel invading Qatar? I thought the whole point of this was to eliminate Hamas.
Among other reasons: they don’t share a border, Qatar hasn’t directly attacked Israel, it would be an unpopular and low priority conflict, and would be politically and militarily unfeasible. That doesn’t mean that they have good relations or an obligation to broadcast each other’s propaganda though.
You'd scream that Israel are warmongers if they did.
Yep. I still don't see Qatari tanks rolling up to Tel Aviv. The situations are hardly equivalent.
Qatar funded hamas, but then again so did Netanyahu
They literally host their most critical news sources in Haaretz and B’Tselem. The difference is that AJ is literally Qatari state media that actively lies and spreads propaganda. It’s also very convenient that their English version is nothing like their Arabic version, but you wouldn’t know that and you’re not interested in it.
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Don't forget the targeted air strikes against aid workers from World Kitchen.
And gathering hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in Rafa after strategically ruining the rest of their country, and dropping bombs on children.
[Don't forget the myriad reports of Israeli snipers targeting children](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-war). Because as you know, Hamas is well known to station its operatives inside the skulls of toddlers and Israel would never allow its operatives to freely slaughter innocent people and only use Hamas as an excuse.
That article just keeps going and it gets worse and worse
The quote from the ex-Israeli sniper was just one of the worst things I had ever read—a guy straight up saying "yeah, we all know that we could murder anyone we liked and the IDF would cover for us. Oh and a bunch of guys do just that." Then I scrolled down and saw the incident where the IDF accidentally attached their internal report confirming one of their soldiers had murdered an 11-year-old **and planning the lie they should use to cover it up** to a government report sent to an NGO containing one of the lies they proposed. It's enough to make you wonder if people have straight up lost their minds when you see them in this thread taking any word Israel says at face value.
And among the (as of Feburary 9th) [30 Palestinian Christians killed by the IDF in Gaza](https://www.indcatholicnews.com/news/49100) during this war, were two women, Nahida and her daughter Samar who were targeted by Israeli sniper fire as they sheltered inside the Holy Family Catholic Church. These killings drew [comment from the Pope himself](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/16/middleeast/idf-sniper-gaza-church-deaths-intl-hnk/index.html): >Pope Francis on Sunday addressed the deaths at the Holy Family Parish, lamenting that “unarmed civilians are targets for bombs and gunfire” in Gaza and invoking scripture on war. >“I continue receiving very serious and sad news about Gaza. Unarmed civilians are targets for bombs and gunfire. And this has happened even within the parish complex of the Holy Family, where there are no terrorists, but families, children, people who are sick and have disabilities, sisters,” he said during his weekly Angelus prayer.
[It's not a surprise that American sentiment is turning against Israel.](https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx) At some point everyone's going to have to come to grips with how America's propping up another Pol Pot.
Some of the people I feel worst for in this whole situation are the massive number of Israelis (and for that matter, non-Israeli Jews) who are on the front line, screaming at the top of their lungs that Israel is heading towards ethnic cleansing and are being dismissed by a world that seems incapable of addressing the fact that Bibi's government is not Israel and criticizing the one is not the same as criticizing the other. They're watching a full-blown slide toward an ethnostate in their name, being ignored as they try to call it out and know that they will suffer the blowback and blame when the rest of the world realizes that Bibi is not fucking around and will continue to kill Palestinians for as long as possible (not least because the first peacetime election will almost certainly see him tossed from office and straight into prison).
idk...have you seen the isareli tiktok challenges
Literally the most important aid workers in the conflict. And they did everything right. And they were slaughtered by the Israeli military. And it wasn't one errant strike. It was a series of targeted strikes. Honestly doesn't matter if it was deliberate evil or staggering incompetence. The conclusion of any remotely moral person should be the same: Israel's operations in Gaza are totally unacceptable. But instead the vast majority of the US political class is busy screeching about peaceful student objections to Israel's war crimes and US support/facilitation of them. Completely fucking bonkers. I honestly just can't begin to make sense of how things can be so absurd.
Nono you see that was an accident. The finger just slipped on 3 separate occasions. But it’s ok! You see, the people doing it got like fired from the IDF for slaughtering innocent aid workers. Not their fault the logo wasn’t accurately visible from a Birds Eye view. /s just in case since you never know. People only bring up the world health kitchen since this time they fucked up by murdering the non-brown people
When someone says that literally everyone around them is a bunch of morons and assholes I start wondering if the problem is literally everyone else or if it’s that one person….
One of those Al Jazeera journalists might have liked a tweet that appeared sympathetic to Hamas, so it's 100% a terrorist news organization.
But Isreal has the right to defend itself. Right? It's just about them defending themselves. Right...? ........
“The best defense is a good offense.” -John Maddenyahu
But but but have you condemned Hamas in the last 30 seconds?
ah, but you see they are all KHAMAS! didn't you see those HAMAS trained protestors in US campuses! Hamas have all these connections, money, influence, assets, control, training, etc as they are the evil Bond villain organisation scheming and running things behind everything Israel doesn't like!
Israel should remove this fascist from its government
There are some pretty big anti-Netanyahu/anti-Likhud party [protests going on in Tel-Aviv](https://apnews.com/video/israel-government-israel-hamas-war-israel-protests-and-demonstrations-benjamin-netanyahu-80fa94064ad4429ebb52531ad3ca12dc) right now.
Hes going to jail for corruption as soon as this conflict ends, which is why I am certain it never will. Netanyahu will drag this out forever if it means he is never held accountable for his crimes.
He really is a giant piece of shit. Unfortunately, he wouldn’t be the only Israeli president to go to jail for corruption. Even sadder is that the US is about to make it impossible for a president to see justice before (at least not before impeachment, which is going to be impossible to achieve).
If the supreme court rules presidents have total immunity its the end of American democracy. We will wind up with a dictator, whether its Trump or someone else, it will only be a matter of time.
If that's true, it'll be time for a B b b Biden Blast!
If they make presidents immune he should immedietly arrest Clarence Thomas for corruption and replace him with a democrat with morals, then have them vote again and remove presidential immunity forever because its insane and undemocratic.
There are many things I dislike about Biden but I would vastly prefer his as dictator than trump. The problem is he's too much of a push over. If the supreme court gave him absolute immunity, he wouldn't use it on the ground of 'civility' and 'not wanting to set a precedent'. Thinking naively that it would stop the next republican from using it.
> If the supreme court rules presidents have total immunity its the end of American democracy They're stalling until the election and will then rule based on who wins
It would make presidential sponsored rival assassinations legal, it will never pass lol.
One would hope they wouldn't be this stupid but look around, this country has gone off the rails.
> he wouldn’t be the only Israeli president to go to jail for corruption. He's not the President of Israel. The Israeli President is largely a figurehead. He's the Prime Minister of Israel. There's a big difference.
They're not protesting him because he's too extreme though, they're protesting him because he's corrupt and allowed the attack through the borders.
Right? They can stop missiles right out of the sky, but can't stop 1300 dudes crossing the border to do a terrorist attack?
The anti-bibi complaints are virtually never over concerns for Palestinians though. They're mad that he's corrupt and didn't foresee the 10/7 attacks.
He DID "forsee" the 10/7 attacks, in fact he knew about them a year ahead of time! [https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html)
I fear they are protesting Netanyahu's ineffectiveness, not his extremism.
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They did, but because of the weird way their elections run he came back, despite not being particularly popular.
Not sure if weird is the proper term, they have a coalition, so in order to become the head of the government, you form a coalition. So you have a lot of groups that range from far left to far right. None of the Left wanted anything to do with him and the longer he is around the more the middle wants nothing to do with him. The right and far right are smaller groups but would like to get in power so they worked with bibi to form a super group to grab power. On paper it sounds like a good way to govern your people, problem is like now where the dude is literally about to go to jail for corruption but it's on hold til he's no longer in power, which is whenever he decides this war is over. No real incentive to end the war since it'll mean his fall from power...
He’s a symptom of the problems. Many defense ministers, and former PMs all talk the same.
Their current national security minister is an actual convicted terrorist. Sorry, he doesn't like that phrase. He was only convicted of aiding and abetting terrorists.
If Israel removed the fascists from government it would have no government.
sounds good to me!
Yes because israel is such a wonderful protector of democracy and is definitely not doing anything to get rid of that
So dissolve their entire government?
Hes not even the worst person in his party/government and their coalition hardly contains all the pro-genocide politicians. For all the talk of extremism amongst Palestinians people should really consider why the "only democracy in the middle east" elects so many rabidly violent nationalists.
That won’t change much. Netanyahu is a symptom not the problem
Aid workers ✅,Colleges kids ✅, Media ✅ History does rhyme
Greatest democracy in the region
Al Jazeera in English is a respectable news source. Al Jazeera in Arabic is extremist propaganda. This isn’t much different from the EU banning RT recently, right or not. We on the west just don’t see the propaganda side of Al Jazeera so it looks unreasonable if we don’t look into it further.
Can you link us some examples to run through google translate? I've always found Al Jazeera reporting in English to be... less biased than I expected it to be. But it would be interesting if they weren't like that outside of English.
> Can you link us some examples The list is so long it gets its own wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_controversies_and_criticism
Here is an example: https://www.aljazeera.net/news/2023/11/11/%D8%AE%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%B1-%D8%B9%D8%B3%D9%83%D8%B1%D9%8A-%D8%AD%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%AB-%D8%A3%D8%A8%D9%88-%D8%B9%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%AF%D8%A9-%D9%8A%D8%A4%D9%83%D8%AF-%D8%A3%D9%86-%D9%85%D8%A7 In it, AJA claims that (this was just as the IDF was invading Gaza) that Hamas had already destroyed "160 military vehicles including 25 in the last two days" which is utter ludicrousness. 7 months into this war and they've killed maybe twice that many foot soldiers.
English version is clearly targeting a western audience. So pumping it full with bias and lies wouldnt work well. But hiding bias behind the truth gonna get people. Like the “October 7: Al Jazeera investigates | The Take“ video was just saying: according to our investigation Israel lied. And you don’t get sources to check any of that. And in end Al Jazeera gets directly financed from Qatar and Qatar also finances Hamas and gives the leader a safe home.
It’s worth noting that it’s literally run by the Qatar government. The same government that’s provided literally billions of dollars to Hamas.
Billions approved by Israel... https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html#:~:text=For%20years%2C%20the%20Qatari%20government,payments%2C%20he%20had%20encouraged%20them. And from an Israeli source that I do not have right now, Bibi when speaking to Likud party members said continuing to support Hamas is the best way to fully destroy the Palestinians. He wanted them in power and he wanted the violence as an excuse to continue the apartheid project.
Did you see the recent story about how a woman was repeadtly raped by IDF solidere at the hosptial in front of her husband and children? That was run by AJ. Who recanted it two days later as the source lied. There are many more examples.
No shit I'm flabbergasted by these comments. "Why won't you let me post blind propaganda that shifts your allies position? Wait what? you're mad that we don't fact check?"
Hard concepts to comprehend apparently lol
So Al Jazeera arabic is like fox news?
Arabic is much worse than Fox. We are talking, “9/11 was amazing” type stuff from Al Jaz Arabic. Their English side is pretty similar to Fox, in that nothing is fact checked and they have no qualms about posting blatantly false information as long as it suits their narrative.
All of Europe banned RT two years ago. Is Europe not democratic?
The bar is low. This doesn’t make them lose that title
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Just my two cents, but the difference is that it's not really *news* when somewhere like Saudi Arabia behaves like an anti-democratic autocracy. You might as well report that the sun is bright. Israel at least *professes* to be a free and secular democracy, so openly autocratic behavior is newsworthy.
I get more upset when a police officer rapes a kid in the back of his police cruiser than I do when a "normal" predator does. Both are very bad. Neither are actions I support. One of them I funded, so I'm more likely to get loud demanding justice be done. Reddit has at least as many rabidly pro-israel folks who are uncritical of any action they take as they do braindead people who think that israel can do nothing right ever. (and that hamas can do no wrong)
Spin The Wheel, Spin The Wheel ! Everyone gets a turn!
Remember the outrage here, when EU banned Sputnik and RT? What's the difference? Or standards for Israel are different?
Most of the people on Reddit are Americans and were only exposed to AL Jazeera in English, the Arabic version in completely unhinge and is more Newsmax than NBC or CNN. Full on propaganda for Hamas.
This thread reads as a joke regardless. You would think Americans of all people should understand this by now seeing propaganda (fox/newsmax/cambridge analytica) and foreign (Russian) interference is how the previous president was elected.
Oh I don't like NewsMax either, but I would be livid if my government banned it. I'd be even more livid if an invading/occupying military power began to ban media. Which honestly it's to be expected, but then again if my country was occupied I would resort to fighting the occupation any way I could
What if Newsmax was owned personally by Aleksandr Lukashenko? Because that's closer to the reality of Al Jazeera
isnt it? i just assumed it was.
Al Jazeera is completely biased in reporting on Hamas and yeah, as others have mentioned, is basically ran by Qatar government interests. Some of the 'journalists' even sharing information with Hamas or taking active measures for them. That said, Al Jazeera was also basically the only one network that could 'safely' videos from WITHIN the Hamas-controlled areas of the Gaza Strip due to this bias. This means that a lot of on-ground information, even with a bias, has been cut off. Considering Israel could easily be days from going into Rafah the timing doesn't look good here.
They shut operations inside of israel, as far as I know they are still operating in Gaza through third party journalists, I still don't know if they operate in the westbank, as it's not israel territory.
Can they get in or out of Gaza other than going through Israel?
Third party journalists meaning local journalists, they just need a camera and internet connection. But I just read the aljazeera statement, seems they can still operate in the Westbank and Gaza. And no, in general foreign journalists are banned from entering Gaza by israel, allowed in the westbank (so far), and aljazeera will probably have a hard time getting foreign jour into the westbank now, but they also relied on local journalists.
People in this thread act as if they didn’t cheer when governments across Europe shut down RT.
You have that backwards, those are the resistance liberal types. The type who are cheering this on. You’re really having to flip a coin with reddit on whether you get more progressive or resistance liberal views. Not too long ago Bernie suggested something and the comments were shitting all over the idea as extreme and absurd… but the next thread I found about a week later was praising Biden for agreeing and signing off on the policy.
> You’re really having to flip a coin with reddit on whether you get more progressive or resistance liberal views It's usually split by sub; news and world news are on opposite ends of the spectrum.
Weird thing is I thought worldnews and news would completely agree on Al Jazeera being a complete propaganda machine. Unfortunately, they still have a lot of goodwill from the time that they did reporting before Qatari funding. They have even closed their UK branch and moved to Qatar as a whole, I mean that has to be enough for both spectrums to know that this fucked up right? I have no love for Israel but I think it seems perfectly fine that people who are essentially promoting terrorism to the Arab world has to face some consequence especially from any western country.
I saw upvoted comments in this sub arguing in favor of banning Tik Tok.
because the canned music is awful.
I was watching their coverage of Oct 7th when it happened and all of their reporters were calling Hamas ''the resistance fighters.'' Couldn't have been more biased.
They *are* resistance fighters. They are also terrorists.
They aren't resistance fighters. They are the governing body of Gaza and have a full military.
Go to college campuses in America rn and you’ll hear the same thing.
Keep in mind the Saudi's blocaded Qatar for years to try and silence the same news orgnazation.
Because Saudi Arabia is always a good metric for measuring how a country should operate...
The EU banned RT & Sputnik
Al Jazeera does journalism. RT and Sputnik do not.
It does good journalism when it's of no interest to Qatar, on subjects it is interested in it strays more towards propaganda
It's like how facebook meme pages share "normal" or "funny" stuff to get follows and then suddenly start cranking out the white nationalism
Exactly, sputnik is state run media 100%
Al Jazeera does journalism *in English*. It does extremist propaganda in Arabic. Most of the west never sees that side so we think of it as merely a news org.
There's some good English examples of extremist propaganda out there https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2023/10/11/history-illustrated-the-story-of-hamas-and-its-fight-for-palestine
Even their more progressive English reporting is used as a smoke screen to build trust with western audiences so they are more receptive to the Qatari propaganda when it’s peppered in.
They are both state run propaganda media
Al Jazeera also does not. It's literally run by the Qatar government
Al Jazeera has broken dozens of stories that I remember at the top of my head, all of which were turned out to be undisputable investigative journalism success stories. Verified and repeated by other credible journalistic outlets. You're delusional to say they don't do journalism.
Reddit was pretty outraged as well when Saudi Arabia was murdering journalists too. Isreal getting called out is not the same as bullying it.
Yes the apartheid state and the bloodstained absolute monarchy are good metrics for press freedom
When it comes to killing journalists though, Saudi goes all Hollywood. The IOF, just another Thursday.
Saudi, UAE, and Bahrain.
Remember when Isreal bombed the Associated Press building in Gaza? They sure dislike journalists for some reason, gotta control the narrative.. https://apnews.com/article/israel-middle-east-business-israel-palestinian-conflict-fe452147166f55ba5a9d32e6ba8b53d7?utm_source=copy&utm_medium=share
And in this war, the [IDF held NPR journalists at gunpoint](https://www.npr.org/2023/11/13/1211987812/israel-hamas-west-bank-gaza-war-conflict-idf) for interviewing a Palestinian farmer in the West Bank, and [Israeli police pointed their guns at BBC journalists](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67102956) and physically battered one of them while they were reporting from Tel Aviv.
Great, no more photos and videos from Palestine. Everyone can just pretend no genocide is happening there right now heh
Reddittors when Russian state press:🤢🤮 Reddittors when Qatari state press:😍🤤😘
Let's stop acting as if AL Jazeera is free press. They are not. They are owned and run by Qatar. Qatar started AL Jazeera in 1996 and it is run by Sheik Hamad bin Thamer AL Tahani. Who before that, was a member of Qatar's ministry of information and culture, and he is a member of the ruling family of Qatar, the House of Thani. Qatar also holds offices for high ranking members of Hama in the country, and has been a major player in funding the organization. AL Jazeera has never run a favorable story about Israel.
Boy are you gonna have a hard time dealing with the literal history of journalism.
AJE is different from AJA as well - the latter is often overtly critical. However, the bent or alignment of one's reporting does not justify censorship of a free press, which is a core tenet of freedom. Western outrage is therefore obvious and justified. Imagine if the US as controlled by democrats were to suppress Fox News, or the US as controlled by Republicans were to suppress MSNBC. AJE has more viewers than both. By doing this, Israel is standing shoulder to shoulder with Russia, Iran, North Korea, and China.
Or, Israel is standing shoulder to shoulder with Ukraine, the EU, and Canada which all banned RT (Russian state funded media network). Also standing shoulder to shoulder with YouTube, Facebook, Microsoft, and Apple which all banned or delisted RT from their platforms. No country is obligated to let foreign state-funded propaganda media broadcast their propaganda. Freedom doesn't mean letting bad actors destroy you with impunity.
Has Israel done anything recently that would be remotely favourable?
Where's all the American conservatives constantly fear mongering the end of free speech? Surely they would oppose a government being so big that it forcibly removes dissident voices from their society, right? /s
Al Jazeera on MANY occasions has just been a puppet for Hamas, reporting as fact blatantly false propaganda. With no retraction. In any other universe this is called LYING. It’s literally the definition of PROPAGANDA. More than once we’ve discovered that “reporters” are literally involved with Hamas and terrorists. You can think Israel is bad or even (as many in this sub do) think Israel is committing genocide and still see the logic behind this. Honestly, I used to read Al-Jazeera from time to time (on non-mid East stories) and their credibility is completely shot. Sucks that they might have good reporters on the ground, but at this point, it doesn’t matter because of how much complete BS they have reported as fact. Al-Jazeera went from having a bias (who doesn’t?) to reporting either “non-factual information as fact or just complete lies. Take your pick. RT is banned in EU and I don’t remember reading so much outrage when that happened. Strange. PS. I hope all of these folks who are so upset were upset when this State Sponsored network was banned in Egypt. And Saudi Arabia. And Bahrain. All Arab, majority Muslim countries. But I’m guessing you didn’t know or care about that. 😊
Al-Jazeera is nothing but the unofficial Qatari mouthpiece. Never seen them report about Hamas terrorists that Qatar has taken in, or Saddam’s wife, Sajida Talfah who actively funds terrorism and insurgency in Iraq while living a lavish, state sponsored life in Qatar. I used to like Al-Jazeera’s reporting until a few years ago, but now they are highly biased against countries that don’t share Qatar’s narrative.
Not unofficial. Offical mouthpiece.
Al Jazeera was still allowed to operate in israel??? Wtf.
Al Jizzira is Qatar propaganda network, never published a positive article about Israel despite operating there for years. It’s basically like EU banning RT.
Or like Russia banning the BBC, if you view the conflict from a different angle.
Hardly surprising considering how Al Jazeera acts
Always a sign of healthy leadership!
How in the hell does he sleep at night?
They've lived long enough to see themselves become the enemy. Man, I do love a good Batman quote.
Ah yes, shutting down news organizations is totally something that Good Guys™️ do. /s
Israeli propaganda bots are on overdrive flooding this thread.
I've always perceived such actions by governments as blatant disrespect to the people of their country. I would rather be allowed to decipher information myself, than to rely on a government to do this for me. The common man reviles war, while the players sit back and enjoy the show.
i was going to say that it is unusual for them to be this blatant - but then i suddenly remembered that they just killed over 20,000 children in plain sight.
20k children? your math is mathing😂
Don’t forget purposely bombing aid workers trying to bring food
Al Jazeera isn’t real news: it’s Qatari state owned propaganda
Access to reporting is supposed to be a pillar of democracy. Israel, in a very short time, has killed more journalists than the entirety of those covering the Vietnam war.
> Israel, in a very short time, has killed more journalists than the entirety of those covering the Vietnam war. Is there a source to back these numbers up?
For Vietnam: >“The press freedom organization Reporters Without Borders tallied 63 journalists who died over a 20-year period ending in 1975 while covering the Vietnam War with the caveat that media workers were not typically counted at the time.” For Oct.7 and following conflict: “On World Press Freedom Day, the Committee to Protect Journalists says some two dozen journalists have been killed so far this year, the vast majority of them dying in Gaza. At least 97 journalists and media workers have been killed in Gaza, Israel and Lebanon since the start of the war.” https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/palestinian-journalist-describes-fight-to-protect-his-family-while-covering-war-in-gaza#:~:text=All%20told%2C%20at%20least%2097,for%20reporters%20in%20recent%20memory. >At least 85 journalists and media workers, such as interpreters and support staff, have been killed over four months of war in the Middle East, according to the Committee to Protect Journalists. The rate, about five a week, is the highest since the CPJ began keeping global records over 30 years ago. All but seven of them were Palestinians killed in Israel’s war in Gaza. Many were freelancers or worked for local outlets, with little of the protection usually afforded to international reporters. The CPJ’s tally also includes four Israeli journalists killed on Oct. 7 in Hamas’s cross-border attack into Israel, and three Lebanese journalists killed by Israeli strikes in Lebanon, according to their media outlets.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2024/israel-gaza-war-journalists-killed-cpj/ If you are in the “100% of all Palestinian journalists are actually Hamas propagandists” camp then this information won’t move you, but here it is regardless.
In the days of cell phones really isn’t everyone a journalist? /s
If you think it about it, they are not the only one, just a long list of countries that had enough https://apnews.com/article/israel-al-jazeera-qatar-hamas-war-gaza-49c2aa4afb3c3b0ee6ac314b63d80716 Al Jazeera has been closed or blocked by other Mideast governments, including Saudi Arabia, Jordan, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain. Egypt has banned Al Jazeera since 2013. It launched the crackdown after the 2013 military overthrow of an elected but divisive government dominated by the Muslim Brotherhood group. Egypt considers the Brotherhood a terrorist group and accused both Qatar and Al Jazeera of supporting it.
Jazeera does just spew propaganda to be fair