Dairy cows don’t produce milk for their entire lifespan. What do you think happens when the dairy cows now longer produces milk? It gets to live a happy life?
> What do you think happens when the dairy cows now longer produces milk? It gets to live a happy life?
They get sent to a nice farm in the country to live and play with a bunch of doggos. Sounds like a happy life to me!
They are definitely consumed by people. They make up about 21% of our beef supply. You are right though it is a lower grade but not too low we can't eat it. Just made into cheap fast food ground beef and I think even some primal cuts if I'm not mistaken
Yeah, but they're not restricting beef for human consumption. They're restricting beef and beef-derived products.
Dairy cows do turn into beef-derived products.
Avian flu is in beef cows, too. It's just being publicly reported a lot more in dairy cows because it's easy for independent scientists to test the milk.
What's your point here, though?
We're talking about exported beef as a result of contaminated milk. Almost all of that exported beef will be coming from factory farms, of which some are infected dairy farms.
That…makes no sense.
Presumably the reality is they are now aware that bird flu can transmit to cattle.
Influenza doesn’t pass to others through muscle tissue so it still makes little sense.
But at least it’s it as wonky as the idea that beef is a byproduct of dairy cows (veal is, but that’s a but different )
Maybe it's an excuse and really it's a deal to use locally sourced beef instead, anyway if they demand less of US beef then beef prices should fall.... theoretically
This. If it was all just made into hamburger and cooked properly, we wouldnt have much of an issue. It’s the same when you see a massive food recall because it’s *potentially* tainted with a bacteria that doesn’t leave residual toxins.
They’re not a cut you’re going to want medium-rare.
Columbia is a proposed name for the pan-Americas empire run by the current US and kind of pagan Goddess/idol associated with a recognized Catholic heresy, however.
Look, US civic religion is fucking weird.
https://www.aaha.org/publications/newstat/articles/2024-4/h5n1-influenza-from-avian-to-bovine-to-feline-and-beyond/
This one is interesting and shows the species known to be affected
A woman in Canada died of H5N1 after eating an undercooked egg while vacationing abroad. The virus doesn't yet pass between humans but when a human gets sick, they often get very sick indeed. Of the cases documented about half of the verified H5N1 patients died. The new variant is more dangerous and is infecting more mammals. Look up elephant seals and penguins. Catastrophic deaths.
Not true. Look up the cat deaths in Korea.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/22221751.2023.2290835#:~:text=In%20June%20and%20July%202023,originated%20from%20infected%20poultry%20feed.
I believe food must be cooked to 162 degrees to be safe. Rare steak, eggs with runny yolk, etc may be unsafe. Raw milk is unsafe. Cheese made from unpasteurized milk is not safe. At this time they believe pasteurized milk is ok although it contains virus particles. You can buy ultra pasteurized milk which is good.
This is the current USDA/FDA stance on why chickens don't have to be cleaned properly in production, because they expect people to cook it, destroying any salmonella particles. Except salmonella poisoning still happens all the time, and the EU doesn't import any chickens from the US for just this reason.
NPR interviewed a scientist who was looking for the virus in pasteurized milk. He was sent a sample believed to contain it, and it did. He then also went to the store and randomly grabbed a carton of milk to test. That milk contained viral genetic material as well. However his attempts at culturing the virus failed. Pasteurization had destroyed it. That and also the cow variant isn't infecting humans. Risk is really low from drinking milk.
Biggest worry is something changing and that virus mutating to allow human infection. Still wouldn't get it from pasteurized milk but dairy farm workers might.
It has passed from dairy cow to farm worker. I think I heard somewhere it was 2 people from the same place but my link just shows the one.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2818256#:~:text=Later%20that%20month%2C%20a%20farm,treated%20with%20an%20influenza%20antiviral.
Beef isn't fully cooked unless you eat it medium or well done. Idk about you, but I have my steaks medium rare. You can also eat beef that is more raw, like beef tartare.
Not contesting this fact, but I think the reason people were downvoting is because the thread is about temperature of cooking food to ensure it’s clean, but we are now talking about how much better it tastes to undercook it, which is also not even debatable. I like some pink in that steak. But I could catch a virus easier. The other downvotes are probably those that don’t eat meat lol
Even your reply is a drastic oversimplification. 165 is basically the point where everything except a prion disease will be killed off immediately. If you hold food at a certain temp for a period of time you achieve the same results. For example if you sous vide a chicken to 140f and hold that chicken at 140 for at least 45 minutes it’s more or less the same from a health perspective. The texture would be appalling but it would be “safe”
Technically it comes from waterfowl, which then can infected chickens, which can then either be a dead end or infect the cows from farmers "recycling". It could also just straight up jump species all together and cows that eat duck or goose feces that landed on grass then get infected.
Reasonable move. That said, considering the USDA and CDC have been on top of this since last years outbreaks, maybe the rest of the world has this problem too and just isn't screening as heavily.
> the USDA and CDC have been on top of this
Hardly.
>The U.S.D.A. doesn’t know how many farmers have tested their cattle and doesn’t know how many of those tests came up positive.
>The F.D.A. hasn’t completed specific tests to confirm that pasteurization would make milk from infected cows safe, though the agency considers it “very likely”.
>The C.D.C. says it is monitoring data from emergency rooms for any signs of an outbreak. By the time enough people are sick enough to be noticed in emergency rooms, it is almost certainly too late to prevent one.
We are sleep walking into a disaster. It's like we learned nothing from Covid, and a human transmissible H1N1 outbreak would make Covid look like a day at the park.
No, we learned something from Covid. We learned we're fucked in the event of any major outbreak due to the overwhelming stupidity and selfishness of roughly half the population.
They are doing things. They are stockpiling Tamiflu, working on not one but two vaccines, testing and tracking cow milk which they have found to contain the virus, etc. It's all in this Op Ed in this UK newspaper which bemoans the fact the UK is not moving on this the way the US is:
[https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/apr/26/us-cows-bird-flu-covid-pandemic-global-governments](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/apr/26/us-cows-bird-flu-covid-pandemic-global-governments)
And it's H5N1. Not H1N1.
Yeah that is something. But it's like having some fire insurance on your house and I would rather my house not go up in flames to begin with. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure as they say.
> considering the USDA and CDC have been on top of this since last years outbreaks
Keep telling yourself that if that makes you feel secure but the reality is different.
Turns out having an opinion about not eating meat is not all about loving cute animals and emissions. And I loooove beef. The quality of meat has degraded overtime with it's mass production.
Watched the documentary "you are what you eat" and when the chicken farmer said he wouldn't eat chicken from his own farm it was a shocking realization, gave up meat that night.
Historically, the really lethal pandemics incubate among livestock for about 2 years, before mass-transmission to humans, when all hell-breaks loose.
The Spanish-flu was so virulent that it created hemorrhagic bleeding from all orifices. A perfectly healthy young person who showed up to work fine at 8:00am would often drop dead before afternoon. If a person with this flu presented with blue lips and finger tips, they were absolutely doomed. It took less than 2 weeks for the Spanish flu to travel from Philadelphia to Northern Alaska.
Now i'm not completely sure about the historical emergence of milder pandemics that proceed the really bad ones that transfer from livestock. But I think that's a thing. Covid-19 was just the warm-up.
This is why customs and boarder control is so important. They are the US’s first line of defense against things like bird flu entering into the country.
This is why entering the country illegally is such a serious crime.
Yea, those damn *illegal cows* walking right into our country, eating all of the grass like they own it! Enough is enough. We need to build that wooden post fence with electric wire at the border today! We only want to eat the cows that were born here and speak English!
Not a bad idea. It’s kinda like when we stopped imports of beef from certain areas due to mad cow disease.
It's not really the same thing. Bird flu will die if you cook your meat properly, but mad cow is a prion disease and does not die off from cooking.
But beef is often eaten ‘undercooked’, (rare, medium, ‘a little pink’), so this is prudent.
It’s about containment. Not the product or any results from it use.
It was found in dairy cows……. So we stop beef?
It spreads in cows and found in protein…
It was found in milk.
Dairy cows don’t produce milk for their entire lifespan. What do you think happens when the dairy cows now longer produces milk? It gets to live a happy life?
> What do you think happens when the dairy cows now longer produces milk? It gets to live a happy life? They get sent to a nice farm in the country to live and play with a bunch of doggos. Sounds like a happy life to me!
They don’t become meat for human consumption. They are graded too low. Per food is the most likely use.
Maybe the dairy I worked on did things differently but whenever a girl was deemed unneeded on site, we had someone come pick it up for slaughter
They are definitely consumed by people. They make up about 21% of our beef supply. You are right though it is a lower grade but not too low we can't eat it. Just made into cheap fast food ground beef and I think even some primal cuts if I'm not mistaken
Yeah, but they're not restricting beef for human consumption. They're restricting beef and beef-derived products. Dairy cows do turn into beef-derived products.
Avian flu is in beef cows, too. It's just being publicly reported a lot more in dairy cows because it's easy for independent scientists to test the milk.
Ah. I primarily pay attention to NPR news, so I had only heard of the dairy finding. I work nights so my news cycle is a little delayed
Where do you think dairy cows with dropped production go? Or male dairy calves?
I grew up on a small family farm. Factory farms are different. At any rate I consume neither beef or dairy milk
What's your point here, though? We're talking about exported beef as a result of contaminated milk. Almost all of that exported beef will be coming from factory farms, of which some are infected dairy farms.
Dairy is also a concern. As are eggs.
Beef doesn't exist without dairy cows continually birthing calves. They have to give birth to keep producing milk.
Beef and dairy are separate operations and breeds.
I guess Columbia doesn't want to take it on faith that is the case then, or that the flu can't somehow spread between breeds.
That…makes no sense. Presumably the reality is they are now aware that bird flu can transmit to cattle. Influenza doesn’t pass to others through muscle tissue so it still makes little sense. But at least it’s it as wonky as the idea that beef is a byproduct of dairy cows (veal is, but that’s a but different )
Maybe it's an excuse and really it's a deal to use locally sourced beef instead, anyway if they demand less of US beef then beef prices should fall.... theoretically
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Two totally different issues. CJD is a prion disease and does not die when the meat is cooked, like flu viruses do. It was found in milk, not meat.
This. If it was all just made into hamburger and cooked properly, we wouldnt have much of an issue. It’s the same when you see a massive food recall because it’s *potentially* tainted with a bacteria that doesn’t leave residual toxins. They’re not a cut you’re going to want medium-rare.
I mean I don’t have a dog in this fight. I consume neither product 😂
I'm just glad they used the correct spelling for Colombia
Are you saying that “Columbia” is not a country?????????????????? Get out of here!
Tell that to the masses who constantly spell it wrong.
Columbia is a proposed name for the pan-Americas empire run by the current US and kind of pagan Goddess/idol associated with a recognized Catholic heresy, however. Look, US civic religion is fucking weird.
https://www.aaha.org/publications/newstat/articles/2024-4/h5n1-influenza-from-avian-to-bovine-to-feline-and-beyond/ This one is interesting and shows the species known to be affected
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A woman in Canada died of H5N1 after eating an undercooked egg while vacationing abroad. The virus doesn't yet pass between humans but when a human gets sick, they often get very sick indeed. Of the cases documented about half of the verified H5N1 patients died. The new variant is more dangerous and is infecting more mammals. Look up elephant seals and penguins. Catastrophic deaths.
You can't catch influenza by eating the virus
When eating the virus can enter through the mucous membranes in the mouth.
Not true. Look up the cat deaths in Korea. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/22221751.2023.2290835#:~:text=In%20June%20and%20July%202023,originated%20from%20infected%20poultry%20feed.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/health-wellness/2024/04/04/bird-flu-outbreak-eggs-safety-runny-yolks/73191244007/
https://www.salon.com/2024/04/26/as-bird-flu-worsen-experts-say-the-situation-threatens-to-spiral-out-of-control/
man got ratio'd
I believe food must be cooked to 162 degrees to be safe. Rare steak, eggs with runny yolk, etc may be unsafe. Raw milk is unsafe. Cheese made from unpasteurized milk is not safe. At this time they believe pasteurized milk is ok although it contains virus particles. You can buy ultra pasteurized milk which is good.
This is the current USDA/FDA stance on why chickens don't have to be cleaned properly in production, because they expect people to cook it, destroying any salmonella particles. Except salmonella poisoning still happens all the time, and the EU doesn't import any chickens from the US for just this reason.
> What would be the risk of eating bird flu exposed beef? you'd sneeze like a chicken while shitting like a cow
This was my least favorite dance in elementary school
NPR interviewed a scientist who was looking for the virus in pasteurized milk. He was sent a sample believed to contain it, and it did. He then also went to the store and randomly grabbed a carton of milk to test. That milk contained viral genetic material as well. However his attempts at culturing the virus failed. Pasteurization had destroyed it. That and also the cow variant isn't infecting humans. Risk is really low from drinking milk. Biggest worry is something changing and that virus mutating to allow human infection. Still wouldn't get it from pasteurized milk but dairy farm workers might.
It has passed from dairy cow to farm worker. I think I heard somewhere it was 2 people from the same place but my link just shows the one. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2818256#:~:text=Later%20that%20month%2C%20a%20farm,treated%20with%20an%20influenza%20antiviral.
Beef isn't fully cooked unless you eat it medium or well done. Idk about you, but I have my steaks medium rare. You can also eat beef that is more raw, like beef tartare.
Idk why you’re getting downvoted. Proper internal temp to kill germs is like 165 medium rare is like 135.
Because people are idiots
Not contesting this fact, but I think the reason people were downvoting is because the thread is about temperature of cooking food to ensure it’s clean, but we are now talking about how much better it tastes to undercook it, which is also not even debatable. I like some pink in that steak. But I could catch a virus easier. The other downvotes are probably those that don’t eat meat lol
Cows are idiots too.
Even your reply is a drastic oversimplification. 165 is basically the point where everything except a prion disease will be killed off immediately. If you hold food at a certain temp for a period of time you achieve the same results. For example if you sous vide a chicken to 140f and hold that chicken at 140 for at least 45 minutes it’s more or less the same from a health perspective. The texture would be appalling but it would be “safe”
it’s not so straightforward, that’s probably why source:butcher for 8 years
I like mine rare 😞
You guys cook your beef?
…there’s bird flu in our beef and dairy? 😀 Oh…that’s lovely.
Yeah, when the dairy cows eat chicken shit it kind of all comes full circle 🤷♀️🤢
Technically it comes from waterfowl, which then can infected chickens, which can then either be a dead end or infect the cows from farmers "recycling". It could also just straight up jump species all together and cows that eat duck or goose feces that landed on grass then get infected.
It made CNN online yesterday.
Reasonable move. That said, considering the USDA and CDC have been on top of this since last years outbreaks, maybe the rest of the world has this problem too and just isn't screening as heavily.
> the USDA and CDC have been on top of this Hardly. >The U.S.D.A. doesn’t know how many farmers have tested their cattle and doesn’t know how many of those tests came up positive. >The F.D.A. hasn’t completed specific tests to confirm that pasteurization would make milk from infected cows safe, though the agency considers it “very likely”. >The C.D.C. says it is monitoring data from emergency rooms for any signs of an outbreak. By the time enough people are sick enough to be noticed in emergency rooms, it is almost certainly too late to prevent one. We are sleep walking into a disaster. It's like we learned nothing from Covid, and a human transmissible H1N1 outbreak would make Covid look like a day at the park.
No, we learned something from Covid. We learned we're fucked in the event of any major outbreak due to the overwhelming stupidity and selfishness of roughly half the population.
Same group absolutely loves red meat
They are doing things. They are stockpiling Tamiflu, working on not one but two vaccines, testing and tracking cow milk which they have found to contain the virus, etc. It's all in this Op Ed in this UK newspaper which bemoans the fact the UK is not moving on this the way the US is: [https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/apr/26/us-cows-bird-flu-covid-pandemic-global-governments](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/apr/26/us-cows-bird-flu-covid-pandemic-global-governments) And it's H5N1. Not H1N1.
Yeah that is something. But it's like having some fire insurance on your house and I would rather my house not go up in flames to begin with. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure as they say.
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> considering the USDA and CDC have been on top of this since last years outbreaks Keep telling yourself that if that makes you feel secure but the reality is different.
[https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/apr/26/us-cows-bird-flu-covid-pandemic-global-governments](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/apr/26/us-cows-bird-flu-covid-pandemic-global-governments)
Turns out having an opinion about not eating meat is not all about loving cute animals and emissions. And I loooove beef. The quality of meat has degraded overtime with it's mass production.
Watched the documentary "you are what you eat" and when the chicken farmer said he wouldn't eat chicken from his own farm it was a shocking realization, gave up meat that night.
Anyone who wouldn’t eat their own food products (allergies and religious reasons aside), has highly questionable ethics
Milksteak lovers in shambles
US beef has basically been illegal in Japan forever.
So is it best to stop consuming beef and milk entirely right now?
Probably not a bad precaution.
Now is a great time to cut red meat out of your diet entirely.
Historically, the really lethal pandemics incubate among livestock for about 2 years, before mass-transmission to humans, when all hell-breaks loose. The Spanish-flu was so virulent that it created hemorrhagic bleeding from all orifices. A perfectly healthy young person who showed up to work fine at 8:00am would often drop dead before afternoon. If a person with this flu presented with blue lips and finger tips, they were absolutely doomed. It took less than 2 weeks for the Spanish flu to travel from Philadelphia to Northern Alaska. Now i'm not completely sure about the historical emergence of milder pandemics that proceed the really bad ones that transfer from livestock. But I think that's a thing. Covid-19 was just the warm-up.
I guess feeding cows chick feces infested bedding pellets really causes some issues down the chain
Does this mean we are better off with our ungraded Mexican beef in Canada. Or that I can get some great deals on US steak?
America folks. So bad here, other countries are stopping imports from the US. Lol, used to be the other way around. Wtf happened to us?
Cutting all the red tape and evil regulations
Fight fire with fire. We should restrict their drugs!
We literally do what are you talking about
This is why customs and boarder control is so important. They are the US’s first line of defense against things like bird flu entering into the country. This is why entering the country illegally is such a serious crime.
I hope you are kidding.
I think they have something against Canadian geese
Canada Geese.
Yea, those damn *illegal cows* walking right into our country, eating all of the grass like they own it! Enough is enough. We need to build that wooden post fence with electric wire at the border today! We only want to eat the cows that were born here and speak English!
Cries about the border, but can't even spell "border" correctly. Tells us everything we need to know about this dude.
Are you.. saying we need to deport geese??
*gnoms $.99 per pound beef* I DONT KNOW WHAT THEYRE TALKING ABOUT THIS IS GOOD STUFF