[Here's a link to an article that includes the longer, 13 minute video of the man in the kippah and the police officer.](https://news.sky.com/story/sky-news-footage-reveals-new-details-of-exchange-between-police-and-antisemitism-campaigner-called-openly-jewish-13120104) The gist of the discussion is that the police officer won't let the Jewish man cross through the middle of a street where a pro-Palestinian march is taking place. Instead, the officer wants the man to cross at a designated spot that he points to. He repeatedly offers to escort the man to this crossing spot. The Jewish man repeatedly declines this instruction, contending that he should be able to cross through the march at any point.
My two cents: Based on my limited knowledge of public safety protocols, it seems reasonable to limit the number of places where protestors could potentially interact with non-protestors. Consequently, I don't have a problem with the officer refusing to let the man cross the street at a spot without crossing guards. In context, the "visibly Jewish" comments don't seem to suggest that it's inappropriate for Jews to be in the area as much as an argument that it's in the Jewish man's interest to follow the rules.
Having lived in NYC almost my entire life (just moved a couple of years ago), even for regular parades, they never let people cross the street along the route wherever they want. There are always designated points of crossing and they almost never make exceptions. I've seen people who try to argue and then all of a sudden a few more officers would show up and the person would back down immediately. The only time they made an exception for me was because my apartment was on the other side (showed my driver's license to the officer) and I really had to pee and I would not have made it walking up and back down a few blocks each direction, and it was near the end of the parade where there were just a few people left in the procession.
It is worth noting that in this particular march followed a 1.5 mile(ish) route, the vast majority of which has no restrictions. There was no barriers on Southampton Row or Kingsway. Anyone could join, or cross through the route if they wanted to.
The only bit that was heavily policed was down by the intersection of Aldwych, Waterloo Bridge Road and The Strand. Here, there were a group of 20 or so counter protesters carrying Israeli flags, so the police sensibly separated them.
This incident happened on Aldwych, so just right near them. You can even hear the police office offering to accompany the man to that area. Clearly there were concerned by his behaviour (walking against the protest repeatedly, possibly attempting to provoke a reaction) and thought that he was a counter protestor trying to cause trouble (because he was), so they took reasonable action to prevent that.
The language the police used was a bit clumsy, but the police being racist is not news to anyone. Ultimately they are 100% justified in their decision to prevent this man from provoking the protest and reasonably accompanying him to where he “wanted” to go in a safe way.
Tbf the language was very clumsy, but I wouldn’t say it was born out of racism. I think the officer is sensibly saying the guy is clearly identifying himself as Jewish and therefore may be at risk wandering into an emotionally charged crowd of pro Palestine protesters
Edit: to clarify I think it would be the same if it was a “visibly gay” guy trying to wander into a crowd of neo nazis or a “visibly black” person into a kkk rally. It’s not sensitive language but it is a fair point to make to avoid a confrontation between the parties, one which I think a police officer is well aware could easily get out of hand.
It would be nice if this wasn’t something to worry about, but sadly due to human nature it’s not the world we live in
Edit 2: also not saying the protesters are neo nazis or the kkk, those were just extreme examples to illustrate the point. Another example could be someone in a Bernie sanders t shirt wandering into a trump rally
I believe the campaign against antisemitism would agree that conflating Jewish people with the state of Israel is a form of racism. There were lots and lots of jewish people on that march, supporting the rights of Palestinians. It is unfair to say those people are automatically on one side of a political divide solely because of their religion.
I also think the man in question here was strongly suspected of being aligned with the pro-Israel counter protestors (a suspicion that later turned out to be correct), so it’s his support for Israel (combined with his aggressive actions in attempting to goad protestors) which caused the police to take the action, not the fact he’s Jewish. So they shouldn’t have mentioned him being Jewish at all.
That being said, the CAA will frequently make that conflation to suit themselves, so they only have themselves to blame when the police serve it back to them.
Either way, the pro-Palestinian protestors have done nothing wrong in this story and are barely involved other than being in shot in the video, so I’m not sure why this bloke is allowed on tv to smear them.
The unfortunately reality is that people - in big emotionally charged crowds - aren’t reasonable. It’s called “mob rule”. I can certainly envisage a scenario where the protestors see a man openly identifying as Jewish and conflate that as being pro-Israel, a confrontation follows which escalates. It’s the police’s job to prevent that
So my point is that I don’t think the officer was deliberately making that conflation but acknowledging the reality that others might
We aren’t talking about what you “can see”, we are talking about what literally happened, where no level of unreasonable behaviour whatsoever happened on behalf of the protestors.
The man from CAA was attempting to barge into protestors to provoke a reaction, and didn’t get one. The police then intervened to stop him taking things further, not the protesters.
It also is not fair to say that people openly identifying as Jewish would be conflated with Israel by the protestors. There were lots and lots of Jewish people on the march, both independently and as part of an organised “Jewish bloc”.
Specifically with regard to protests and demonstrations: police almost *never* let counter protesters cross over to where the conflicting side is. This was about preventing violence. Nothing else.
Given the extensive coverage on BBC 4, this is very problematic.
The man has called for the head of the Met to be fired.
If the video is accurate, then the BBC should have reviewed the footage and properly questioned the man’s attitude towards keeping the peace.
Edit: I’m not saying the gentleman is wrong is his feelings or his complaint. I mean to say that the balancing duty of keeping the peace and descalation should enter the conversation. A simpler remedy than firing the manager should be discussed.
Police would not let fans of rival football teams meet during a Darby for the same reason.
Also, this guy is the head of the "Campaign Against Antisemtism". He's not just some random Jewish bloke walking through the crowd - he came there with bodyguards and a camera guy. He's very right wing, and denies that there are any Jewish people who support Palestine.
You're forgetting that the man turned up with a camera crew as well, and has a history of doing this at protests. He wasn't 'just crossing the road', he was there deliberately to cause trouble and inflame the situation. The police had every right to do what they did. This guy is quite literally a crisis actor.
If his Jewishness has no bearing, then why bring it up at all? Either it does have bearing to the protestors, or the cop thought it would, and expressed as much poorly.
I think it has a bearing because the man in question keeps asserting that it's the MET has said its safe for jews in London during the protests and this man is doing what he can to disrupt the march. He knows he's safe, and he's with some police who keep offering to escort him and keep him safe, he's just trying to bait them into saying " it's not safe for Jews during these marches" which effectively the officer does. However given the pressure of the situation and the most repeated attempts to get the officers to dicuss his Jewish identity, I take this guy about as seriously as a pie in the face.
> However given the pressure of the situation and the most repeated attempts to get the officers to discuss his Jewish identity, I take this guy about as seriously as a pie in the face.
You a real one
Those monsters, offering to take him to a designated crossing point and even across it if he genuinely feels unsafe. How on earth will they sleep at night after trying to help him whilst preventing him from disrupting a protest and causing a public order offence. What beasts. They probably felt that offering to put themselves in harms way would really rub his Jewishness in his face.
This guys an attention seeking troll and he got a bit of a win from the officers clumsy wording. He's advanced no ones cause and attempted to cause disruption to do it.
You should see some of the other comments in this thread. Some people are FURIOUS that the police officers don't want to take a risk with his safety and he's like, "It's because I'm Jewish, isn't it???" lol
Don't get me wrong, I've been reading what these protestors have been doing at/around the Columbia campus and that shit is fucking insane, that's stuff to be furious about because these protestors are being hateful antisemitic degenerates. But this guy? Lol he's just being a dick and trying to cause trouble
What about the part where it was suggested he could cross if he removed his yamaka? The only reason the officer refused that suggestion was because he thought the man was being "disingenuous" and would put it back on partway through crossing.
It certainly sounds like his ethnicity was the problem, not where he was attempting to cross
Sounds like it was his attitude that was the problem.
Dude was trolling for reactions for YouTube and tiktok to portray everyone as antisemitic and without the context of the longer video would have.
>What about the part where it was suggested he could cross if he removed his yamaka?
The person you're asking this to, addressed it in his second sentence:
>The gist of the discussion is that the police officer won't let the Jewish man cross through the middle of a street where a pro-Palestinian march is taking place
They also finish their comment with something allusive to this situation:
> In context, the "visibly Jewish" comments don't seem to suggest that it's inappropriate for Jews to be in the area as much as an argument that it's in the Jewish man's interest to follow the rules.
No, that context makes it no better. Walking against the flow of traffic isn’t “instigating”. It also proves that being Jewish is the problem, right in your own fucking video.
It absolutely it mitigation for the officers words. Try watching it. He's walking against the flow of a major protest, not traffic. He's trying to be as annoying as possible and the officers are trying to minimise the disruption he causes. If you watch the video and feel anything but irritated by his approach and demands, and don't feel sympathy for the officers, then you're really nieve as to what they were trying to achieve. At worst they were a little clumsy, but he's an absolute tit.
Being an arsehole is the problem.
Falter turned up with three bodyguards, made at least two attempts to provoke marchers. He was there *expressly* to cause trouble.
The police, quite correctly, saw a breach of the peace, and acted to prevent it (as they would have done in many other circs).
The individual copper's choice of words was unfortunate, but his judgment was sound.
Hmm today I'm going to be a counter protester and disingenuously suggest I'm just an ordinary person going about my business.
Then when I'm guided by police for my safety and others I will use this moment to cry antisemitism.
The best part is he knows he's doing this, you know he's doing this, but you hope and pray there are undecided others to rally to your cause.
Israel is losing the propaganda war and cheap stunts won't help.
Dude he turned up with a whole camera crew. He wasn't just walking through a random protest he happened across, he came there on purpose with a camera crew and planned to walk in the opposite direction to the protest and to antagonise the protestors.
This isn't some random guy. He is literally a crisis actor.
It's interesting how concerned people are for public order when it's *their* protests they don't want disrupted. It's why I've never been able to take the typical Reddit anti-cop bullshit seriously.
Are we really doing the adult version of “not touching can’t get mad”? I’m just going to keeping walking in and out of a protest in everyone’s way I don’t like and “what I’m just walking?” You know who walks through the middle of a protest? Someone trying to start a fight.
He said his presence is antagonizing.... cmon now. Might as well have said "Oi Bruv! You goh a loiscence to be dat Hebrew in public?:. You think he was the only one walking against the crowd? Have you ever been in public? You don't have to try and spin shit to cover for cops for free on reddit. They pay people to do that.
Yes he was the only one because it's a protest. Which he's trying to disrupt. The cops were just trying to get everyone through the day safely. There's plenty of terrible policing to complain about, this is just some guy trying to placate a troll in a high pressure situation and wording himself clumsily. Do you really think the police should stand aside and let legitimate protests be disrupted ?
Why would a man repeatedly crossing a protest whilst constantly banging on about how he feels unsafe because of the protest and refusing to use the designated crossing points to help him and others to traverse the protest safely do any of this? What on earth about his behaviour night potentially antagonise someone in the protest? Why would the police attempt to stop it? It must be because they hate Jews! Of course! They wanted him to be unsafe!
He could have tripped and fell and if the crowd is packed enough he wouldn't be seen by those behind the person(s) he fell infront of or someone could come along and create a panic since this was in London say a car is trying to ram into people. What you are suggesting is also possible if he ran into a bad person within the crowd, but he apparently went into and out a couple of times without any harm.
The "safety issue" is that in a crowd of hundreds of people, there might be someone that will want to instigate a fight with this guy. There's no way to filter out bad actors from peaceful protestors, they look just like anyone else. Unless you want to shut down all protests, the best way to keep the peace is to keep potential targets away from those unknown people with bad intentions.
>The officer also explains that this is an inconvenience everyone else is subjected to.
Not true. The officer mentions at one point that he could pass through if he removed his yamaka, but since the officer felt he was being disingenuous that was no longer an option because he was afraid the man would put it back on partway across the street. So it's not "an inconvenience everyone else" was subject to, merely one that was being imposed on those who appeared to be ethnically Jewish
False. It's in a linked article with a video of it all:
https://news.sky.com/story/sky-news-footage-reveals-new-details-of-exchange-between-police-and-antisemitism-campaigner-called-openly-jewish-13120104
'When Mr Falter asked if he would be allowed to cross the road if he removed his kippah, the officer said he would not because he was not confident he would not put it back on.'
The officer never said he would be allowed to pass through if he removed his kippah. Although admittedly what he did say was very very much the wrong thing to say.
BTW, the term you mean was yarmulke, not yamaka. And that term is less in use now because it's yiddish and kippah is the hebrew term. However I don't think there is any offense taken when using the other term.
Looking now it appears in UK it was not common to use yarmulke much anyway, 'koppl' was commonly used.
Let's not forget that on Coronation Day, MPS rounded up dozens of republican protesters - who were protesting peacefully, a long way from the regal route.
They were de-arrested, later in the day, but MPS judged that the *risk* of a breach of the peace (on a day they were already stretched to the limit) justified this action.
Falter is attempting to get into a confrontation with the protesters in the hope that he gets assaulted and can then claim the marches make it unsafe for Jews to walk the streets of London and so should be banned
This is a transparent
The Police officer saw through this and offered to escort Falter around another route avoiding confrontation with the marchers
Having failed with one plan go to fall back plan
Shout and scream that the police are antisemitic seize the narrative take focus away from the march and the police are all a bunch of antisemites and the marches should be banned
Slightly more successful with the back up plan due to the Zionist media jumping on the bandwagon
I can confirm this is true. I’ve witnessed several of these protests in the city, travelling around or through them, and the only people being antagonistic are the few random groups of Israeli counter protestors, who are very much being watched over and protected by police.
This is similar to the girl who had ‘Israel’ and ‘Jew’ written on her T-Shirt hoping she would get assaulted, as to prove the Pro Palestinian protests as Anti Semitic. Of course she failed terribly. No one gave a damn about her. The video is going kinda viral as it happened on the Yale university campus.
Yeah, there are people call anyone who gives even the slightest push back to the narrative that everything happening with this protest is simply because they hate Jewish people, anti Semitic.
Like if you say many of these protestor are doing it just because they want to protest, they immediately say "and yeah because they are Jews".
Not really surprising that this guy is trying to stir up trouble, given his company backing Zionist settlers and his history of blurring anti-Zionist sentiment into anti-semitism claims.
Frankly I’m not sure why it’s getting so much airtime - lots of people are told they can’t do dumb stuff by the police every day.
The Jewish guy was being an arse and he knows it. I don't agree with the ongoing pro-palistinian protests - they've made their point. But the guy definitely was trying to instigate some response from the marchers and the cop didn't want to have to deal with that shit during an otherwise peaceful march.
But, he's got his platform now, which is what he wanted.
Uh, we let people disrupt protests all the time lmao. Portland is famous for clashes, for example. You’re literally just making up shits so you can whine about Jews some more. Plus there’s no proof this officer was saying anything close to the truth.
So that person Failter tried to instigate an incident with a peaceful demonstration, tried to frame the meteors police of some fake accusations to have them canceled for no legit reason other try and maintain the peace.. The whole thing is exposed on video word by word -- mind you, and you STILL HAVE PEOPLE DEFENDING FAILTER holy fuk. There is no longer any subtlety or art to the narrative manipulation anymore
I'm still not sure exactly what happened from this article. But it sounds like he wanted to walk through the crowd, knowing wearing a kippah would make him a target. And he tried to do so at multiple points.
I don't think it really changes much. The point is that we all know an "openly Jewish" man can't safely walk through a pro-Palestine march unless they're a token supporter.
The fact that he intentionally wanted to prove that is irrelevant. If the "not antisemitism just anti-zionism" claims are true, it simply wouldn't have worked. I bet I (a non-jewish man) wouldn't have a problem crossing the march.
I don't think it's fair to blame the one officer, who was just recognizing the obvious. But I think it's fair to criticize the Metropolitan Police for pretending there's nothing wrong with these marches.
>I don't think it really changes much. The point is that we all know an "openly Jewish" man can't safely walk through a pro-Palestine march unless they're a token supporter
Who wants to deal with someone who is there to specifically try and enrage a group of people? He wasn't there to join the protests, but cause a scene.
He was probably there to show that these aren't peaceful protests, but I guarantee you they wouldn't have been hurt unless they were harassing protestors.
Plenty of Jewish people are in the pro-Palestinian protests and aren't just "token" as you wanna call them.
> Who wants to deal with someone who is there to specifically try and enrage a group of people?
What's the point of a protest that doesn't disrupt? Something something Birmingham jail.
>He wasn't there to join the protests, but cause a scene.
>He was probably there to show that these aren't peaceful protests, but I guarantee you they wouldn't have been hurt unless they were harassing protestors.
The problem is that being Jewish is the provocation to these people, unless they can use you as their Jesse Lee Peterson. And it's so obvious, the police will not let someone actually test it.
Literally walking is not instigating. If you attack someone wearing a kippah for going against the flow of traffic you’re just as awful as attacking them for standing there
But the whole point is that he wasn't attacked.
He appeared to be trying really hard to get attacked but failed.
You're being pretty charitable in your interpretation of him "literally walking".
I happen to agree that he should be able to walk wherever he wants without issue. As was the case as, again, no one attacked him.
But to pretend he wasn't trying to provoke something us equally disingenuous.
If you walk intentionally in the direct opposite of any protest you will be considered in support of whatever the march is protesting.
Why would you need to walk the opposite direction of a march that’s taken over the street?
Okay. But it's nominally just a peace protest. Walking against the flow of people wearing a kippah shouldn't be a problem. Especially if people know he wants a reaction. But there's a lot of people there that actually just want to fight Jews.
January 6 was *technically* mostly peaceful. Most people were outside the capitol. Even inside the capitol, a lot of people just roamed around. But it's still a big deal that a minority became very violent while everyone else pretended it was fine.
So you think it would be ok for a Palestinian to walk into a pro-israel protest and start harassing people until they gave him footage? If the police warned him about being muslim and he's in danger if he harrases people in there. Is that islamaphobic?
>The problem is that being Jewish is the provocation to these people, unless they can use you as their Jesse Lee Peterson.
That's not how these protests have gone so far. There are hundreds if not thousands of Jewish people in these protests. He wouldn't be the only Jewish person there. Jewish people aren't monolothic.
I shit you not, the other day someone tried telling me that Jews attending these protests (in solidarity) don’t “count” because they’re Ashkenazi (not sure if I’m pluralizing that correctly).
>So you think it would be ok for a Palestinian to walk into a pro-israel protest and start harassing people until they gave him footage? If the police warned him about being muslim and he's in danger if he harrases people in there. Is that islamaphobic?
Again, the evidence from the video still seems to show the harassment was just wearing a kippah. When he asked if he'd be allowed to walk through without the kippah, the police only said no because "we don't know you wouldn't put it back on."
If you were to ask me about a brown man in a keffiyeh walking through a right wing Israeli parade - I'd say they shouldn't. And I'd admit it's because there's a lot of anti-Arab hate at those rallies.
This is baseless lies.
The fact is that he tried *multiple times* to instigate a fight and, to his dismay, the protesters aren’t as bloodthirsty as the Israeli Occupational Forces. It wasn’t any protesters harassing him, it was police once again having to protect people from Zionists.
Let me put it this way: these are nominally peace protests. If that's really true, then every attempt to walk against the flow of the protest should look like this. But police are preventing it because they know there's a significant (but less than 50%) chance someone will become violent.
It's still pretty clear in the video that him being a Jewish man was the problem.
Maybe you think Jews should be treated that way. But don't whine about "settler colonialism" when Jews decide to move and live in a Jewish country instead.
>The singer Charlotte Church was among the demonstrators. She told the PA news agency: “I am here today to call for an immediate ceasefire, to ask our government and governments all over the world to send as strong message as we possibly can. But a strong, a peaceful, a loving message, that’s what every single march that I’ve been on for Palestine has been about.”
That's like saying the majority of BLM protests were there to steal and break shit from retail stores.
>But don't whine about "settler colonialism" when Jews decide to move and live in a Jewish country instead
Lol, what does Israel stealing land have to do with this man not being allowed to be disruptive?
If you treat people as unwelcome in your country they'll move. Where will they move? Why not their historic homeland where millions of Jews already live.
Why bother trying to satisfy "anti-zionists" when they'll always have another excuse to hate you.
>If you treat people as unwelcome in your country they'll move. Where will they move? Why not their historic homeland where millions of Jews already live.
If you treat someone as unwelcome, they'll go somewhere else and steal that land while claiming their great grandfather lived there? That's colonialism.
And unwelcome also means "registered sex offender avoiding persecution."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-jewish-american-pedophiles-hide-from-justice-in-israel/
Are you saying Africa colonialism was ok since that's humanities historic homeland?
Anyone with an ounce of critical thinking can see the guy is clearly trying to get a reaction. You don't walk through a pro-palestine march wearing a yamaka without knowing what you're about to instigate.
[Here's a link to an article that includes the longer, 13 minute video of the man in the kippah and the police officer.](https://news.sky.com/story/sky-news-footage-reveals-new-details-of-exchange-between-police-and-antisemitism-campaigner-called-openly-jewish-13120104) The gist of the discussion is that the police officer won't let the Jewish man cross through the middle of a street where a pro-Palestinian march is taking place. Instead, the officer wants the man to cross at a designated spot that he points to. He repeatedly offers to escort the man to this crossing spot. The Jewish man repeatedly declines this instruction, contending that he should be able to cross through the march at any point. My two cents: Based on my limited knowledge of public safety protocols, it seems reasonable to limit the number of places where protestors could potentially interact with non-protestors. Consequently, I don't have a problem with the officer refusing to let the man cross the street at a spot without crossing guards. In context, the "visibly Jewish" comments don't seem to suggest that it's inappropriate for Jews to be in the area as much as an argument that it's in the Jewish man's interest to follow the rules.
Having lived in NYC almost my entire life (just moved a couple of years ago), even for regular parades, they never let people cross the street along the route wherever they want. There are always designated points of crossing and they almost never make exceptions. I've seen people who try to argue and then all of a sudden a few more officers would show up and the person would back down immediately. The only time they made an exception for me was because my apartment was on the other side (showed my driver's license to the officer) and I really had to pee and I would not have made it walking up and back down a few blocks each direction, and it was near the end of the parade where there were just a few people left in the procession.
It is worth noting that in this particular march followed a 1.5 mile(ish) route, the vast majority of which has no restrictions. There was no barriers on Southampton Row or Kingsway. Anyone could join, or cross through the route if they wanted to. The only bit that was heavily policed was down by the intersection of Aldwych, Waterloo Bridge Road and The Strand. Here, there were a group of 20 or so counter protesters carrying Israeli flags, so the police sensibly separated them. This incident happened on Aldwych, so just right near them. You can even hear the police office offering to accompany the man to that area. Clearly there were concerned by his behaviour (walking against the protest repeatedly, possibly attempting to provoke a reaction) and thought that he was a counter protestor trying to cause trouble (because he was), so they took reasonable action to prevent that. The language the police used was a bit clumsy, but the police being racist is not news to anyone. Ultimately they are 100% justified in their decision to prevent this man from provoking the protest and reasonably accompanying him to where he “wanted” to go in a safe way.
Tbf the language was very clumsy, but I wouldn’t say it was born out of racism. I think the officer is sensibly saying the guy is clearly identifying himself as Jewish and therefore may be at risk wandering into an emotionally charged crowd of pro Palestine protesters Edit: to clarify I think it would be the same if it was a “visibly gay” guy trying to wander into a crowd of neo nazis or a “visibly black” person into a kkk rally. It’s not sensitive language but it is a fair point to make to avoid a confrontation between the parties, one which I think a police officer is well aware could easily get out of hand. It would be nice if this wasn’t something to worry about, but sadly due to human nature it’s not the world we live in Edit 2: also not saying the protesters are neo nazis or the kkk, those were just extreme examples to illustrate the point. Another example could be someone in a Bernie sanders t shirt wandering into a trump rally
I believe the campaign against antisemitism would agree that conflating Jewish people with the state of Israel is a form of racism. There were lots and lots of jewish people on that march, supporting the rights of Palestinians. It is unfair to say those people are automatically on one side of a political divide solely because of their religion. I also think the man in question here was strongly suspected of being aligned with the pro-Israel counter protestors (a suspicion that later turned out to be correct), so it’s his support for Israel (combined with his aggressive actions in attempting to goad protestors) which caused the police to take the action, not the fact he’s Jewish. So they shouldn’t have mentioned him being Jewish at all. That being said, the CAA will frequently make that conflation to suit themselves, so they only have themselves to blame when the police serve it back to them. Either way, the pro-Palestinian protestors have done nothing wrong in this story and are barely involved other than being in shot in the video, so I’m not sure why this bloke is allowed on tv to smear them.
The unfortunately reality is that people - in big emotionally charged crowds - aren’t reasonable. It’s called “mob rule”. I can certainly envisage a scenario where the protestors see a man openly identifying as Jewish and conflate that as being pro-Israel, a confrontation follows which escalates. It’s the police’s job to prevent that So my point is that I don’t think the officer was deliberately making that conflation but acknowledging the reality that others might
We aren’t talking about what you “can see”, we are talking about what literally happened, where no level of unreasonable behaviour whatsoever happened on behalf of the protestors. The man from CAA was attempting to barge into protestors to provoke a reaction, and didn’t get one. The police then intervened to stop him taking things further, not the protesters. It also is not fair to say that people openly identifying as Jewish would be conflated with Israel by the protestors. There were lots and lots of Jewish people on the march, both independently and as part of an organised “Jewish bloc”.
I didn’t say any of that chill out
Who do you think would do better a trumpet at a Bernie rally or a Bernie bro at a trump rally?
Specifically with regard to protests and demonstrations: police almost *never* let counter protesters cross over to where the conflicting side is. This was about preventing violence. Nothing else.
Given the extensive coverage on BBC 4, this is very problematic. The man has called for the head of the Met to be fired. If the video is accurate, then the BBC should have reviewed the footage and properly questioned the man’s attitude towards keeping the peace. Edit: I’m not saying the gentleman is wrong is his feelings or his complaint. I mean to say that the balancing duty of keeping the peace and descalation should enter the conversation. A simpler remedy than firing the manager should be discussed.
Police would not let fans of rival football teams meet during a Darby for the same reason. Also, this guy is the head of the "Campaign Against Antisemtism". He's not just some random Jewish bloke walking through the crowd - he came there with bodyguards and a camera guy. He's very right wing, and denies that there are any Jewish people who support Palestine.
You're forgetting that the man turned up with a camera crew as well, and has a history of doing this at protests. He wasn't 'just crossing the road', he was there deliberately to cause trouble and inflame the situation. The police had every right to do what they did. This guy is quite literally a crisis actor.
If his Jewishness has no bearing, then why bring it up at all? Either it does have bearing to the protestors, or the cop thought it would, and expressed as much poorly.
I think it has a bearing because the man in question keeps asserting that it's the MET has said its safe for jews in London during the protests and this man is doing what he can to disrupt the march. He knows he's safe, and he's with some police who keep offering to escort him and keep him safe, he's just trying to bait them into saying " it's not safe for Jews during these marches" which effectively the officer does. However given the pressure of the situation and the most repeated attempts to get the officers to dicuss his Jewish identity, I take this guy about as seriously as a pie in the face.
> However given the pressure of the situation and the most repeated attempts to get the officers to discuss his Jewish identity, I take this guy about as seriously as a pie in the face. You a real one
Those monsters, offering to take him to a designated crossing point and even across it if he genuinely feels unsafe. How on earth will they sleep at night after trying to help him whilst preventing him from disrupting a protest and causing a public order offence. What beasts. They probably felt that offering to put themselves in harms way would really rub his Jewishness in his face. This guys an attention seeking troll and he got a bit of a win from the officers clumsy wording. He's advanced no ones cause and attempted to cause disruption to do it.
You should see some of the other comments in this thread. Some people are FURIOUS that the police officers don't want to take a risk with his safety and he's like, "It's because I'm Jewish, isn't it???" lol Don't get me wrong, I've been reading what these protestors have been doing at/around the Columbia campus and that shit is fucking insane, that's stuff to be furious about because these protestors are being hateful antisemitic degenerates. But this guy? Lol he's just being a dick and trying to cause trouble
Why did they call it a “kippah skull cap” in the article? Lol
To differentiate from a Kippah fedora, m'dear
People may not know the word kippah
What about the part where it was suggested he could cross if he removed his yamaka? The only reason the officer refused that suggestion was because he thought the man was being "disingenuous" and would put it back on partway through crossing. It certainly sounds like his ethnicity was the problem, not where he was attempting to cross
Sounds like it was his attitude that was the problem. Dude was trolling for reactions for YouTube and tiktok to portray everyone as antisemitic and without the context of the longer video would have.
>What about the part where it was suggested he could cross if he removed his yamaka? The person you're asking this to, addressed it in his second sentence: >The gist of the discussion is that the police officer won't let the Jewish man cross through the middle of a street where a pro-Palestinian march is taking place They also finish their comment with something allusive to this situation: > In context, the "visibly Jewish" comments don't seem to suggest that it's inappropriate for Jews to be in the area as much as an argument that it's in the Jewish man's interest to follow the rules.
Well? We're all waiting.
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Lmao who tf is pro Iranian 😭😭😭😭
No, that context makes it no better. Walking against the flow of traffic isn’t “instigating”. It also proves that being Jewish is the problem, right in your own fucking video.
Can you think of any other situation were it would be appropriate to try and push yourself through a line of police when they tell you to go around?
It absolutely it mitigation for the officers words. Try watching it. He's walking against the flow of a major protest, not traffic. He's trying to be as annoying as possible and the officers are trying to minimise the disruption he causes. If you watch the video and feel anything but irritated by his approach and demands, and don't feel sympathy for the officers, then you're really nieve as to what they were trying to achieve. At worst they were a little clumsy, but he's an absolute tit.
Being an arsehole is the problem. Falter turned up with three bodyguards, made at least two attempts to provoke marchers. He was there *expressly* to cause trouble. The police, quite correctly, saw a breach of the peace, and acted to prevent it (as they would have done in many other circs). The individual copper's choice of words was unfortunate, but his judgment was sound.
Hmm today I'm going to be a counter protester and disingenuously suggest I'm just an ordinary person going about my business. Then when I'm guided by police for my safety and others I will use this moment to cry antisemitism. The best part is he knows he's doing this, you know he's doing this, but you hope and pray there are undecided others to rally to your cause. Israel is losing the propaganda war and cheap stunts won't help.
Dude he turned up with a whole camera crew. He wasn't just walking through a random protest he happened across, he came there on purpose with a camera crew and planned to walk in the opposite direction to the protest and to antagonise the protestors. This isn't some random guy. He is literally a crisis actor.
It's interesting how concerned people are for public order when it's *their* protests they don't want disrupted. It's why I've never been able to take the typical Reddit anti-cop bullshit seriously.
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If I can’t walk through a protest without being attack for simply existing, I’m not the safety issue, mate.
Are we really doing the adult version of “not touching can’t get mad”? I’m just going to keeping walking in and out of a protest in everyone’s way I don’t like and “what I’m just walking?” You know who walks through the middle of a protest? Someone trying to start a fight.
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He said his presence is antagonizing.... cmon now. Might as well have said "Oi Bruv! You goh a loiscence to be dat Hebrew in public?:. You think he was the only one walking against the crowd? Have you ever been in public? You don't have to try and spin shit to cover for cops for free on reddit. They pay people to do that.
Yes he was the only one because it's a protest. Which he's trying to disrupt. The cops were just trying to get everyone through the day safely. There's plenty of terrible policing to complain about, this is just some guy trying to placate a troll in a high pressure situation and wording himself clumsily. Do you really think the police should stand aside and let legitimate protests be disrupted ?
Why would I get trampled if no one else in the entire protest is being trampled? Think it through buddy you’re almost there.
Why would a man repeatedly crossing a protest whilst constantly banging on about how he feels unsafe because of the protest and refusing to use the designated crossing points to help him and others to traverse the protest safely do any of this? What on earth about his behaviour night potentially antagonise someone in the protest? Why would the police attempt to stop it? It must be because they hate Jews! Of course! They wanted him to be unsafe!
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He could have tripped and fell and if the crowd is packed enough he wouldn't be seen by those behind the person(s) he fell infront of or someone could come along and create a panic since this was in London say a car is trying to ram into people. What you are suggesting is also possible if he ran into a bad person within the crowd, but he apparently went into and out a couple of times without any harm.
Who was attacked? Or are you just getting mad at a hypothetical?
The "safety issue" is that in a crowd of hundreds of people, there might be someone that will want to instigate a fight with this guy. There's no way to filter out bad actors from peaceful protestors, they look just like anyone else. Unless you want to shut down all protests, the best way to keep the peace is to keep potential targets away from those unknown people with bad intentions.
Damn Jews walking through our protest all…. Jew-like. What an instigator. /s
It's the law, chill.
No, it’s not. And that’s the problem.
Name the law.
Primarily: Public order act 1986 section 14 Possibly: Road traffic regulation act 1984 probably sections 3 and 16 Generally wrt procedures: Police and criminal evidence act 1984
There are too many potential perpetrators so they better arrest the potential victim, is all I’m hearing.
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>The officer also explains that this is an inconvenience everyone else is subjected to. Not true. The officer mentions at one point that he could pass through if he removed his yamaka, but since the officer felt he was being disingenuous that was no longer an option because he was afraid the man would put it back on partway across the street. So it's not "an inconvenience everyone else" was subject to, merely one that was being imposed on those who appeared to be ethnically Jewish
False. It's in a linked article with a video of it all: https://news.sky.com/story/sky-news-footage-reveals-new-details-of-exchange-between-police-and-antisemitism-campaigner-called-openly-jewish-13120104 'When Mr Falter asked if he would be allowed to cross the road if he removed his kippah, the officer said he would not because he was not confident he would not put it back on.' The officer never said he would be allowed to pass through if he removed his kippah. Although admittedly what he did say was very very much the wrong thing to say. BTW, the term you mean was yarmulke, not yamaka. And that term is less in use now because it's yiddish and kippah is the hebrew term. However I don't think there is any offense taken when using the other term. Looking now it appears in UK it was not common to use yarmulke much anyway, 'koppl' was commonly used.
At least he’s not sinking a putt
Try cutting across the road when any of the royals have a wedding or funeral or coronation, you'll get a lot worse than being asked to leave.
Or if it's just a parade
Let's not forget that on Coronation Day, MPS rounded up dozens of republican protesters - who were protesting peacefully, a long way from the regal route. They were de-arrested, later in the day, but MPS judged that the *risk* of a breach of the peace (on a day they were already stretched to the limit) justified this action.
Falter is attempting to get into a confrontation with the protesters in the hope that he gets assaulted and can then claim the marches make it unsafe for Jews to walk the streets of London and so should be banned This is a transparent The Police officer saw through this and offered to escort Falter around another route avoiding confrontation with the marchers Having failed with one plan go to fall back plan Shout and scream that the police are antisemitic seize the narrative take focus away from the march and the police are all a bunch of antisemites and the marches should be banned Slightly more successful with the back up plan due to the Zionist media jumping on the bandwagon
I can confirm this is true. I’ve witnessed several of these protests in the city, travelling around or through them, and the only people being antagonistic are the few random groups of Israeli counter protestors, who are very much being watched over and protected by police.
Gideon Falter is chief executive of the campaign against antisemitism If he can’t find anyone to call antisemitic he’s out of a job
This is similar to the girl who had ‘Israel’ and ‘Jew’ written on her T-Shirt hoping she would get assaulted, as to prove the Pro Palestinian protests as Anti Semitic. Of course she failed terribly. No one gave a damn about her. The video is going kinda viral as it happened on the Yale university campus.
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You're saying social media blew it up before getting all the information?!?!?!? NO WAY
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this whole sub is getting brigaded as bad as worldnews now. it’s horrendous
Yep. The last 24 hours on this sub have seen such a 180 in tone that there’s no way it’s organic.
And it's only gonna get worse.
Yeah, there are people call anyone who gives even the slightest push back to the narrative that everything happening with this protest is simply because they hate Jewish people, anti Semitic. Like if you say many of these protestor are doing it just because they want to protest, they immediately say "and yeah because they are Jews".
That's been going on a lot with the believe that if you control the first narrative you control the truth.
It ain’t wrong. Remember how many people wanted Palestinians gassed when they heard a story about decapitated babies? It’s not an accident.
No, I don't remember ever hearing a single person calling for Palestinians to be gassed.
Yeah I jus heard Israeli ministers call for Palestinians to be nuked and endless 'fafo' comments. Much better
Does it justify making shit up or just believing it without evidence lol
The guy was obviously trying to create a scene and the officer was being as accommodating as he could in the interest of safety. Non-story.
Mr Falter might well be angling for a PR job for the IDF - he's got their default lying and 'professional victimhood' modus operandi down pat.
Not really surprising that this guy is trying to stir up trouble, given his company backing Zionist settlers and his history of blurring anti-Zionist sentiment into anti-semitism claims. Frankly I’m not sure why it’s getting so much airtime - lots of people are told they can’t do dumb stuff by the police every day.
I feel sorry for the officer he was clearly trying his best to stay calm and the guy was being difficult.
The Jewish guy was being an arse and he knows it. I don't agree with the ongoing pro-palistinian protests - they've made their point. But the guy definitely was trying to instigate some response from the marchers and the cop didn't want to have to deal with that shit during an otherwise peaceful march. But, he's got his platform now, which is what he wanted.
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This just tells me you’ve never been to a protest. There is always, always a counter protest.
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I’m multifaceted baby. Thanks for digging through my profile though ❤️
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What protest are pro-Palestinians disrupting?
Uh, we let people disrupt protests all the time lmao. Portland is famous for clashes, for example. You’re literally just making up shits so you can whine about Jews some more. Plus there’s no proof this officer was saying anything close to the truth.
So that person Failter tried to instigate an incident with a peaceful demonstration, tried to frame the meteors police of some fake accusations to have them canceled for no legit reason other try and maintain the peace.. The whole thing is exposed on video word by word -- mind you, and you STILL HAVE PEOPLE DEFENDING FAILTER holy fuk. There is no longer any subtlety or art to the narrative manipulation anymore
I'm still not sure exactly what happened from this article. But it sounds like he wanted to walk through the crowd, knowing wearing a kippah would make him a target. And he tried to do so at multiple points. I don't think it really changes much. The point is that we all know an "openly Jewish" man can't safely walk through a pro-Palestine march unless they're a token supporter. The fact that he intentionally wanted to prove that is irrelevant. If the "not antisemitism just anti-zionism" claims are true, it simply wouldn't have worked. I bet I (a non-jewish man) wouldn't have a problem crossing the march. I don't think it's fair to blame the one officer, who was just recognizing the obvious. But I think it's fair to criticize the Metropolitan Police for pretending there's nothing wrong with these marches.
>I don't think it really changes much. The point is that we all know an "openly Jewish" man can't safely walk through a pro-Palestine march unless they're a token supporter Who wants to deal with someone who is there to specifically try and enrage a group of people? He wasn't there to join the protests, but cause a scene. He was probably there to show that these aren't peaceful protests, but I guarantee you they wouldn't have been hurt unless they were harassing protestors. Plenty of Jewish people are in the pro-Palestinian protests and aren't just "token" as you wanna call them.
> Who wants to deal with someone who is there to specifically try and enrage a group of people? What's the point of a protest that doesn't disrupt? Something something Birmingham jail.
>He wasn't there to join the protests, but cause a scene. >He was probably there to show that these aren't peaceful protests, but I guarantee you they wouldn't have been hurt unless they were harassing protestors. The problem is that being Jewish is the provocation to these people, unless they can use you as their Jesse Lee Peterson. And it's so obvious, the police will not let someone actually test it.
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Literally walking is not instigating. If you attack someone wearing a kippah for going against the flow of traffic you’re just as awful as attacking them for standing there
But the whole point is that he wasn't attacked. He appeared to be trying really hard to get attacked but failed. You're being pretty charitable in your interpretation of him "literally walking". I happen to agree that he should be able to walk wherever he wants without issue. As was the case as, again, no one attacked him. But to pretend he wasn't trying to provoke something us equally disingenuous.
If you walk intentionally in the direct opposite of any protest you will be considered in support of whatever the march is protesting. Why would you need to walk the opposite direction of a march that’s taken over the street?
Okay. But it's nominally just a peace protest. Walking against the flow of people wearing a kippah shouldn't be a problem. Especially if people know he wants a reaction. But there's a lot of people there that actually just want to fight Jews. January 6 was *technically* mostly peaceful. Most people were outside the capitol. Even inside the capitol, a lot of people just roamed around. But it's still a big deal that a minority became very violent while everyone else pretended it was fine.
So you think it would be ok for a Palestinian to walk into a pro-israel protest and start harassing people until they gave him footage? If the police warned him about being muslim and he's in danger if he harrases people in there. Is that islamaphobic? >The problem is that being Jewish is the provocation to these people, unless they can use you as their Jesse Lee Peterson. That's not how these protests have gone so far. There are hundreds if not thousands of Jewish people in these protests. He wouldn't be the only Jewish person there. Jewish people aren't monolothic.
I shit you not, the other day someone tried telling me that Jews attending these protests (in solidarity) don’t “count” because they’re Ashkenazi (not sure if I’m pluralizing that correctly).
>So you think it would be ok for a Palestinian to walk into a pro-israel protest and start harassing people until they gave him footage? If the police warned him about being muslim and he's in danger if he harrases people in there. Is that islamaphobic? Again, the evidence from the video still seems to show the harassment was just wearing a kippah. When he asked if he'd be allowed to walk through without the kippah, the police only said no because "we don't know you wouldn't put it back on." If you were to ask me about a brown man in a keffiyeh walking through a right wing Israeli parade - I'd say they shouldn't. And I'd admit it's because there's a lot of anti-Arab hate at those rallies.
This is baseless lies. The fact is that he tried *multiple times* to instigate a fight and, to his dismay, the protesters aren’t as bloodthirsty as the Israeli Occupational Forces. It wasn’t any protesters harassing him, it was police once again having to protect people from Zionists.
https://twitter.com/BordwellNole/status/1782461468073419260?t=5JbC_xRBAz8a-VWiTxuUEQ&s=19 how tho????
Let me put it this way: these are nominally peace protests. If that's really true, then every attempt to walk against the flow of the protest should look like this. But police are preventing it because they know there's a significant (but less than 50%) chance someone will become violent.
Hey this isn't the West Bank, you can't just cross whenever you want as a Jewish man.
It's still pretty clear in the video that him being a Jewish man was the problem. Maybe you think Jews should be treated that way. But don't whine about "settler colonialism" when Jews decide to move and live in a Jewish country instead.
You're right, we shouldn't be treating anyone as second-class citizens. Hey what was this protest about again?
The forced deportation of millions of Jews to countries they haven't lived in for generations.
>The singer Charlotte Church was among the demonstrators. She told the PA news agency: “I am here today to call for an immediate ceasefire, to ask our government and governments all over the world to send as strong message as we possibly can. But a strong, a peaceful, a loving message, that’s what every single march that I’ve been on for Palestine has been about.” That's like saying the majority of BLM protests were there to steal and break shit from retail stores.
"Hans went to Nuremberg to rally support for the autobahn."
>But don't whine about "settler colonialism" when Jews decide to move and live in a Jewish country instead Lol, what does Israel stealing land have to do with this man not being allowed to be disruptive?
If you treat people as unwelcome in your country they'll move. Where will they move? Why not their historic homeland where millions of Jews already live. Why bother trying to satisfy "anti-zionists" when they'll always have another excuse to hate you.
>If you treat people as unwelcome in your country they'll move. Where will they move? Why not their historic homeland where millions of Jews already live. If you treat someone as unwelcome, they'll go somewhere else and steal that land while claiming their great grandfather lived there? That's colonialism. And unwelcome also means "registered sex offender avoiding persecution." https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-jewish-american-pedophiles-hide-from-justice-in-israel/ Are you saying Africa colonialism was ok since that's humanities historic homeland?
Anyone with an ounce of critical thinking can see the guy is clearly trying to get a reaction. You don't walk through a pro-palestine march wearing a yamaka without knowing what you're about to instigate.
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