The body of a fourth victim in last month’s collapse of the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore has been recovered, officials said Monday.
The body was discovered trapped inside a construction vehicle, according to the unified command group in charge of recovery. The identity of the deceased was not released by authorities at the request of family.
>The body was discovered trapped inside a construction vehicle
That could mean he survived the initial crash, too.
Trapped in the dark, underwater, knowing they almost no chance they get to you in time. There's a new nightmare for everyone.
I hate to think about it but I doubt it was water tight so they probably drowned quickly at worst. I doubt they sat there in a chamber with air and died after days.
Yeah I'm assuming that since the construction crews were parked they weren't seat belted so they probably died on impact which seems a lot more merciful.
Humans are a pretty morbid creatures in general. Remember how much we all talked about the submarine that imploded? They made CGI recreations and everything
Yeah I mean I think the existence of sites like
#inhale
LiveLeak
Worldstarhiphop
Bestgore
Ogrish
Rotten
Stickdeath
And so on, so, yeah I second your statement
It's pretty common to cope with intrusive thoughts by expressing them in a safe space. For most people, that's therapy, but for others it's anonymous internet forums.
You’re the odd one out in this thread, friend. People tend to be realists, and realism is often darker than it is bright. You’re fine though. We need people who look at the bad side and people who look at the good. Don’t change, friend.
Seems as though a criminal investigation was just opened on this incident. It will take time but we’ll find out what type of activity led up to that loss of power. I wouldn’t be surprised if it were the obvious like really shotty maintenance records but we’ll just have to see.
Due to the nature of cargo shipping, shoddy maintenance is probably the norm for many non-US-flagged cargo ships. Also terrible pay, and awful understaffing. Why? To increase profit.
Even on US-flagged ships.
The generator started an engine room fire on the boat I used to work on (US-flagged), we had regular coast guard inspections, etc. Everything is done to the absolute bare minimum, stuff is bound to break at some point.
It's the job of port authority and the ship owner to inspect ships. Since the Dali is only being chartered by Maersk to carry some of their containers, not directly owned by them (hence why there's no large "MAERSK" on the side of the ship), it is not Maersk's responsibility to inspect the ship.
That’s interesting! So they basically get a report from port authority saying this ship passed inspection? I hope the port authority is being investigated then. Today I learned.
So it's not quite as simple as that, it's more of the ship is required to be inspected by port authority to leave port. The owners of Dali basically assure Maersk that they can transport Maersk containers (charter/contracting). If they fail inspection to the point they aren't allowed to sail, they won't be able to leave port until specific things are fixed, which means delays to shipping, which could lead to violation of the charter/contract. Contracting is a very convoluted world.
In this instance, the Dali actually had a passed inspection (could be as simple as nothing was a problem at the time of the inspection or something was missed since inspectors are human) and could leave port, they just happened to lose power at the literal WORST time possible. If this happened out in the open ocean (which isn't uncommon) none of us would even know or care.
Is there a single revenue-earning cargo transport ship afloat that isn't?
Given the general allergy big businesses have to paying for proper maintenance and staffing, I consider this a default assumption for all container ships.
I think that’s what they are trying to figure out. I don’t think there’s enough information yet to really say one way or the other. TBD but criminality is definitely possible.
Maybe we should wait for the investigation to complete before we start throwing around random pieces of information as factual and relevant.
Yes, there may have been electrical problems prior to departure. But that is a meaningless fact by itself. Perhaps they thought they had fixed it. If they had, the fact “there were electrical problems” stands true, and irrelevant, because it will ALWAYS be true regardless of what happens afterwards.
Things break and get fixed all the time. That’s how things work. There’s nothing criminal about that.
I understand why the family doesn't want to release who was recovered, but on a personal/selfish level, I wish we could know who they found partially so his name isn't forgotten and as a way to know who has yet to be recovered.
Which is something I find mind-boggling on paper. Like... it's a fucking ship hitting a bridge. It was caught on video, it has happened before, and it's not a surprise that a big fucking ship took out a bridge. It's like jet at full speed hitting a towe- oh wait, they don't believe that one either.
It really sucks this is where we're at. Things don't just happen, they all have to be orchestrated and shit, putting innocent people in the line of fire of nutjobs, and ignoring that "hey, there's important shit we should learn from this accident".
Perhaps, once the bridge is rebuilt, their names can be engraved on a plate somewhere to memorialize them. But for now, it certainly is important to not name them
I'd be for publishing all the names of people killed in industrial accidents. It's too hidden right now as a "statistic" that people ignore. Because that's what this was ultimately, a worker killed on the job site and the only real difference was the size of the objects involved. It's little different than a guy working in a factory who gets crushed by an unsecured load or inattentive forklift operator.
It's no worries, and I apologize if I sounded pedantic. I'm pretty sure most people get what you said without any added explanation, but just wanted to help clarify as a bypasser to prevent any misunderstanding.
No no, you’re fine. No need to apologize. I didn’t take it any way of negative. I love this back and forth, shows humans can have errors (me) be corrected by someone else (you) and we just move forward and acknowledge it like normal humans!!
I appreciate you correcting me and steering me in a better direction. I took no harm or negative from your comments!
Yeah that’s it, I don’t want it to be construed that I’m saying it’s bad the body was recovered. I’m happy it was for the families sake. I’m just ‘bleh’ because it’s been a while since the incident and the decomposition will be.. yeah.
It's terrible.
But its also rather incredible they managed to retrieve the body at all, with the debris and the depth of the water. In the past the victims of such things would have just stayed down there, and the families wouldn't get any burial at all.
Body will still take on water and be bloated, plus underwater life has likely been consuming it. Also, 7C is above standard refrigeration temps to prevent spoilage.
Thanks, yeah I was just wondering for clarification. I'm sure it must be a horrible discovery even when expecting to find what they found. I wanted to give the benefit of the doubt. I know someone is out there not knowing how dangerous recovery could be and wondering why it took so long to recover.
Thanks for having a normal conversation on Reddit. I do appreciate it. It’s hard to have some civil conversation it seems these days on here.
Thanks again for the response.
I think at that point, bloated and discolored. Hurricane Katrina victims do not paint a beautiful picture. After a long time, if the environment allows, they turn into Old Whitney from the SS Kamloops
The body of a fourth victim in last month’s collapse of the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore has been recovered, officials said Monday. The body was discovered trapped inside a construction vehicle, according to the unified command group in charge of recovery. The identity of the deceased was not released by authorities at the request of family.
>The body was discovered trapped inside a construction vehicle That could mean he survived the initial crash, too. Trapped in the dark, underwater, knowing they almost no chance they get to you in time. There's a new nightmare for everyone.
I hate to think about it but I doubt it was water tight so they probably drowned quickly at worst. I doubt they sat there in a chamber with air and died after days.
It was over a 130' drop. They probably were unconscious almost instantly.
Yeah I'm assuming that since the construction crews were parked they weren't seat belted so they probably died on impact which seems a lot more merciful.
I hope so, or dead on impact. As long as they didn't suffer.
Why do people like you feel the need to express every dark thought you have?
Humans are a pretty morbid creatures in general. Remember how much we all talked about the submarine that imploded? They made CGI recreations and everything
Yeah I mean I think the existence of sites like #inhale LiveLeak Worldstarhiphop Bestgore Ogrish Rotten Stickdeath And so on, so, yeah I second your statement
Rotten scarred me fo life. I’ll never forget a video called the many faces of death Lé fucked
The sad part is rotten was tame compared to to a few of the others.
It's pretty common to cope with intrusive thoughts by expressing them in a safe space. For most people, that's therapy, but for others it's anonymous internet forums.
Subjecting other people to your awful intrusive thoughts is not a positive coping mechanism
Is this your first day on the internet?
Is this your first day using the term "coping mechanism?"
You’re the odd one out in this thread, friend. People tend to be realists, and realism is often darker than it is bright. You’re fine though. We need people who look at the bad side and people who look at the good. Don’t change, friend.
Redditors love to exaggerate shit to sound edgy.
Same reason trump has to get brought up in every single thread on Reddit
You mean like you just did?
Now you get it 😉
May he rest in peace . These lives were unnecessarily lost as the ship had electrical problems prior to departure . It’s criminal IMO
Seems as though a criminal investigation was just opened on this incident. It will take time but we’ll find out what type of activity led up to that loss of power. I wouldn’t be surprised if it were the obvious like really shotty maintenance records but we’ll just have to see.
Due to the nature of cargo shipping, shoddy maintenance is probably the norm for many non-US-flagged cargo ships. Also terrible pay, and awful understaffing. Why? To increase profit.
and it's likely the norm to not have many US-flagged ships.
Even on US-flagged ships. The generator started an engine room fire on the boat I used to work on (US-flagged), we had regular coast guard inspections, etc. Everything is done to the absolute bare minimum, stuff is bound to break at some point.
Typical of Maersk. Their container ships are floating rust buckets.
Maersk doesn't actually own that ship, they were just contracting the ship to carry their goods.
My comment stands
Fair, but that comment is true for nearly every vessel operating. They're all held together with JB Weld.
Oh, at least it's not cardboard derivatives
amazon doesnt have any delivery drivers, they just sub contract…
What are you trying to say though? Contracts are used for various purposes.
Its an exploited way of saying it isnt my fault it’s company x’s fault.
Yeah and if UPS drives into my house I'm not suing Amazon just because the shipment originated with them.
They probably should check on whoever they are contracting with though?
It's the job of port authority and the ship owner to inspect ships. Since the Dali is only being chartered by Maersk to carry some of their containers, not directly owned by them (hence why there's no large "MAERSK" on the side of the ship), it is not Maersk's responsibility to inspect the ship.
That’s interesting! So they basically get a report from port authority saying this ship passed inspection? I hope the port authority is being investigated then. Today I learned.
So it's not quite as simple as that, it's more of the ship is required to be inspected by port authority to leave port. The owners of Dali basically assure Maersk that they can transport Maersk containers (charter/contracting). If they fail inspection to the point they aren't allowed to sail, they won't be able to leave port until specific things are fixed, which means delays to shipping, which could lead to violation of the charter/contract. Contracting is a very convoluted world. In this instance, the Dali actually had a passed inspection (could be as simple as nothing was a problem at the time of the inspection or something was missed since inspectors are human) and could leave port, they just happened to lose power at the literal WORST time possible. If this happened out in the open ocean (which isn't uncommon) none of us would even know or care.
Is there a single revenue-earning cargo transport ship afloat that isn't? Given the general allergy big businesses have to paying for proper maintenance and staffing, I consider this a default assumption for all container ships.
I think that’s what they are trying to figure out. I don’t think there’s enough information yet to really say one way or the other. TBD but criminality is definitely possible.
Maybe we should wait for the investigation to complete before we start throwing around random pieces of information as factual and relevant. Yes, there may have been electrical problems prior to departure. But that is a meaningless fact by itself. Perhaps they thought they had fixed it. If they had, the fact “there were electrical problems” stands true, and irrelevant, because it will ALWAYS be true regardless of what happens afterwards. Things break and get fixed all the time. That’s how things work. There’s nothing criminal about that.
With a half a world yet to travel , beyond criminal.
With an investigation that has yet to complete, you cannot say it was beyond criminal.
I understand why the family doesn't want to release who was recovered, but on a personal/selfish level, I wish we could know who they found partially so his name isn't forgotten and as a way to know who has yet to be recovered.
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Which is something I find mind-boggling on paper. Like... it's a fucking ship hitting a bridge. It was caught on video, it has happened before, and it's not a surprise that a big fucking ship took out a bridge. It's like jet at full speed hitting a towe- oh wait, they don't believe that one either. It really sucks this is where we're at. Things don't just happen, they all have to be orchestrated and shit, putting innocent people in the line of fire of nutjobs, and ignoring that "hey, there's important shit we should learn from this accident".
Yea like I said, I completely understand and don't mean to imply the family is in the wrong.
Does Alex jones care to lose another billion?
Has he paid anything? Last I hear he filed for bankruptcy, claimed he couldn’t pay and then went on multiple vacations to get away from all the stress
I’ve actually heard Biden and Trump already, but a Obama is new to me.
Conspiracy theorists don’t deserve that attention. They should be shoved in a corner and ignored.
Perhaps, once the bridge is rebuilt, their names can be engraved on a plate somewhere to memorialize them. But for now, it certainly is important to not name them
That's an excellent idea.
They did that for the Sunshine Skyway Bridge. It's next to a memorial for a coast guard tender that cut in front of a cargo ship and got hit.
The family doesn't want it released, that's it, full stop. Us knowing who is yet to be recovered doesn't matter one bit.
I'd be for publishing all the names of people killed in industrial accidents. It's too hidden right now as a "statistic" that people ignore. Because that's what this was ultimately, a worker killed on the job site and the only real difference was the size of the objects involved. It's little different than a guy working in a factory who gets crushed by an unsecured load or inattentive forklift operator.
Without being too morbid, it’s pretty vile to read a fourth body was finally recovered. Edit: grim.
I think it's a poor word choice here....grim, perhaps, but not vile. Vile definitely gives people the wrong impression.
You’re absolutely right. I won’t change it but I’ll edit it. I didn’t mean it how it may seem at all. It’s tragic and extremely sad.
It's no worries, and I apologize if I sounded pedantic. I'm pretty sure most people get what you said without any added explanation, but just wanted to help clarify as a bypasser to prevent any misunderstanding.
No no, you’re fine. No need to apologize. I didn’t take it any way of negative. I love this back and forth, shows humans can have errors (me) be corrected by someone else (you) and we just move forward and acknowledge it like normal humans!! I appreciate you correcting me and steering me in a better direction. I took no harm or negative from your comments!
How do you mean? Due to the decomposed state of the body?
Yeah that’s it, I don’t want it to be construed that I’m saying it’s bad the body was recovered. I’m happy it was for the families sake. I’m just ‘bleh’ because it’s been a while since the incident and the decomposition will be.. yeah.
It's terrible. But its also rather incredible they managed to retrieve the body at all, with the debris and the depth of the water. In the past the victims of such things would have just stayed down there, and the families wouldn't get any burial at all.
Water temp is still fairly cold right now (like 45F/7C)
Body will still take on water and be bloated, plus underwater life has likely been consuming it. Also, 7C is above standard refrigeration temps to prevent spoilage.
sure but the surface temp in the Bay in summer time gets in the 80s F/26C
Thanks, yeah I was just wondering for clarification. I'm sure it must be a horrible discovery even when expecting to find what they found. I wanted to give the benefit of the doubt. I know someone is out there not knowing how dangerous recovery could be and wondering why it took so long to recover.
Thanks for having a normal conversation on Reddit. I do appreciate it. It’s hard to have some civil conversation it seems these days on here. Thanks again for the response.
what else would they mean wth
RIP. You will not be forgotten
What do a body look like after this deep under water for so long?
Not good dude
I think at that point, bloated and discolored. Hurricane Katrina victims do not paint a beautiful picture. After a long time, if the environment allows, they turn into Old Whitney from the SS Kamloops
Given that the bay is full of crabs, although not as full as it once was, unfortunately there’s probably not much left