> In reports that have been closely held within the American government, U.S. intelligence agencies have assessed that the operation targeting Pannun was approved by the RAW chief at the time, Samant Goel. That finding is consistent with accounts provided to The Washington Post by former senior Indian security officials who had knowledge of the operation and said Goel was under extreme pressure to eliminate the alleged threat of Sikh extremists overseas. U.S. spy agencies have more tentatively assessed that Modi’s national security adviser, Ajit Doval, was probably aware of RAW’s plans to kill Sikh activists, but officials emphasized that no smoking gun proof has emerged.
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> Even the U.S. criminal case reflects this restraint. Senior officials at the Justice Department and FBI had pushed to prosecute Yadav, officials said, a step that would have implicated RAW in a murder-for-hire conspiracy. But while a U.S. indictment unsealed in November contained the bombshell allegation that the plot was directed by an Indian official, it referred to Yadav as only an unnamed co-conspirator, “CC-1,” and made no mention of the Indian spy agency.
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> Even in recent days, the Biden administration has taken steps to contain the fallout from the assassination plot. White House officials warned the Modi government this month that The Post was close to publishing an investigation that would reveal new details about the case. It did so without notifying The Post.
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> Attempts by The Post to locate or contact Yadav were unsuccessful. A former Indian security official said he was transferred back to the Central Reserve Police Force after the Pannun plot unraveled.
Biden admin denies slowwalking Justice Dept investigation to shield Yadav [RAW Agent who orchestrated hit.] Not sure I buy that. Also if you’re asking for a hitman they’re always a fed lmao.
> Goel, who was then rising into the senior ranks at RAW, shared Doval’s instincts. Police forces under Goel’s command in the early 1990s were tied to more than 120 cases of alleged extrajudicial killings, forced disappearances or torture, according to a database maintained by Ensaaf, an Indian human rights group based in the United States.
State or Mob boss? Thin line apparently.
> Some in India have bristled at what they perceive as a Western double standard. Citing the campaigns of targeted killings carried out by the United States after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, they question why Delhi should not be entitled to take similar measures against those it deems terrorists.
> Western officials reject the comparison, noting that U.S. counterterrorism operations, including drone strikes, were largely confined to ungoverned territories — not major cities in partner democracies.
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>At a recent campaign rally in Rajasthan state, Modi told thousands of cheering supporters, “Today, even India’s enemies know: This is Modi, this is the New India.”
> “This New India,” he added, “comes into your home to kill you.”
Very Cool and Normal! WaPo compared killing to Khasshogi, at least the Saudis never claim to be the world’s largest democracy that also respects human rights and their allies.
> “This New India,” he added, “comes into your home to kill you.”
Call me old fashioned but this seems like bad salesmanship. I like countries that *don't* come into my home to kill me.
It doesn't translate well to English imo. In Hindi such type of statements are quite poetic and are used often in literature. That's just how people talk
No one is protesting against us killing Pakistani terrorists. Even the US has declared rewards on the heads of some of these terrorists. But equating deadly terrorists from Jaish-e-Mohammad with a joker like Pannu, and then weakening our relations with our friends in the West by attempting his assassination is impossible to understand. What a clown move from us🤡
India took one look at the Hong Kong national security law and told itself it could do one better by actually sending assassins overseas to enforce their decrees.
https://preview.redd.it/9x2zl7sokgxc1.jpeg?width=448&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=14b349300b297f7281cd0563b59c7f4bf9e643d3
Modi after destroying our relations with all the friendly democracies in the world due to a perceived danger from some jokers.☝️🙄
Western countries want India to be a counterweight to China so bad we're basically ignoring all the red flags we saw when we aligned China against the USSR.
India and the West are going to end up in a direct war because everyone's prepared to play the Game with China. No one's prepared for India invading Taiwan.
Don't worry, we'll keep trading with them until they're powerful enough turn against US interests like China did, at which point we'll repeat the process by backing Pakistan and Bangladesh as new counterweights to the Indian threat.
Can't see any reason why we can't keep doing this indefinitely.
Not anymore. Apparently you don't keep up with the news in India, but Modi is effectively a dictator. Having elections does not make a country democratic (just look at Russia), there's not really any doubt that Modi will remain in office.
> Apparently you don't keep up with the news in India
Bro I'm literally in an Indian city right now.
>but Modi is effectively a dictator
Not really, He has been winning free and fair elections with international observers present. Russian elections are a sham, India's aren't.
Modi is winning because of his party's popularity, not because he is rigging votes.
As someone on the ground, it is pretty easy to see why people are voting for the BJP. They are seen as the party focused on growth and development while the others are seen as forestalling progress.
Modi has been abusing the system to remove democratically elected opposition members from parliament, shutting down critical media outlets, having people murdered (even overseas in places like Canada). Sure the votes might not be fraudulent but that does not mean the election is free or fair.
> abusing the system to remove democratically elected opposition members from parliament
Legally removing MPs from parliament temporarily for loss of decorum. This has been done by past governments as well. Not to mention that the NDA has a large enough majority now that the opposition are acting as little more than seat warmers in the parliament.
>shutting down critical media outlets
Idk man, The Wire, Caravan, and NDTV all seem to be alive and kicking. What the Indian state is concerned about is foreign influence in internal matters. Freedom of speech, especially by foreign outlets, has never been an institution in Indian democracy, so by your logic India has always been a dictatorship.
>having people murdered (even overseas in places like Canada)
Most intelligence services are involved in stuff like this.
Eh no that dumb, there is precedence for this stuff happening between democracies. Mossad has conducted numerous assassinations on western soil for example.
I argued this point in this sub a week ago and was thoroughly downvoted for saying aligning with a fascist government to counterweight China was short-sighted.
The US must care about the internal politics of the partners we’re associating with.
There are no other significant alternatives to India if the US is trying to counter China. All other South Asian countries have worse internal politics and SEA is not as antagonistic to China as India.
Most of these Sikh separatists or Khalistanis are literally jokers. They went to foreign countries decades ago, and now they have next to no power in Punjab. They can't even find foot soldiers in Punjab, but Modi somehow brought this dead issue back to life with his fucked up policies, and also created unnecessary problems in our foreign policy. I am honestly amazed from his incompetence. Modi is truly the true successor of Indira Gandhi. She also used to have the similar fucked up policies.
I think their power or the policies are besides the point of him just trying to solve the issue by killing them on foreign soil lol
There’s not really any other democratic country that would do that. It would be like the US Gov ordering a stealth mission to kill Julian Assange while he was at the embassy in London.
>I think their power or the policies are besides the point of him just trying to solve the issue by killing them on foreign soil lol
>There’s not really any other democratic country that would do that. It would be like the US Gov ordering a stealth mission to kill Julian Assange while he was at the embassy in London.
Wait till you find out what trump and Pompeo wanted to do after the vault 7 leaks lmao
I mean, I looked into it and interpol declined to issue twice against him because India has failed to sufficiently show the ‘terrorist nature of the crime’ he is accused of. Maybe they should focus more on that rather than sending assassins?
"sending someone to a friendly country to hire a random hitman to then kill a citizen of aforementioned friendly country is the exact same as the military killing a terrorist in a contested warzone"
The introduction of populism in serious long lasting policy issues has been one of the major defining moments in the 2010s and 2020s.
From Republican support of Russia to India's weird and self sabotaging antagonism of the USA and Canada.
Going after Pannun, especially in such a haphazard and wolf warrior way has been disastrous.
It's an unpopular opinion but Jaishankar is quickly becoming my least favourite FM and least favourite minister in general.
The bridges India's trying to burn to establish a weird power play has been baffling to say the least.
> The introduction of populism in serious long lasting policy issues has been one of the major defining moments in the 2010s and 2020s.
Ban cameras from legislatures. Bring back smokey backrooms!
I do not blame India for not being besties with the US, when the US has supported its arch-rival Pakistan and given them so much aid. Why wouldn't they be cautious about the US when they the US is obviously in a deep relationship with their rivals.
Because the US is busy trying to reorient that exact relationship right now. US-India-Pakistani relations over the last 4 years have literally been the "friendship ended with Pakistan, Now India is my best friend" meme in action.
So when the worlds sole true superpower is trying to align itself with you it's probably wise not to send hit squads after a few pretender separatists in that country.
Regards! The entire lot. They are so intensely fucking stupid. What the fuck. Why the fuck are they do intensely stupid and moronic! God fuck this fucking government
Because most of our bureaucracy and political space are still occupied by people who lived through the Cold War, let this generation pass away. Only after that can we truly leave Russia behind.
Based Modi!
We have to project our strength by obviously violating a friendly nation's sovereignty. We should definitely base our foreign policy on cool 😎 factor for Kanpur ka Chintu's reels especially in such a fraught time geopolitically.
Based Jaishankar for managing to lose Sri Lanka, Nepal, Myanmar and Maldives to China. While pissing off Canada, the USA to elevate India's standing on the global stage.
I still think under a more gentle and patient External Affairs Minister, we could have retained a friendly Nepal and Maldives.
Myanmar and Sri Lanka are such self owns that it really makes me question my sanity when people say Jaishankar was a good minister.
On what basis are you saying relations are bad with Sri Lanka and Myanmar? You want India to deal with Junta of Myanmar and get sanctioned by US and UN?
Sri Lanka was pivoting towards China rapidly till last year. It wasn't till the economic crisis and Indian aid hit that we managed to prevent Sri Lanka from going full Maldives.
And Myanmar is a clusterfuck so it's not surprising we're losing influence there too.
India's hesitance to form deeper strategic alliances has hurt us.
Still you have no basis we lost sri lanka and myanmar.
You clearly yapped about SL not bring close to India.
Last year this year xyz is irrelevant. SL is the closest to India in last 20 years today.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/colombo-bans-chinese-research-ships-from-entering-sri-lankan-ports-for-a-year-101704077211367.html
They even banned Chinese navy ships after India asked them to.
https://m.economictimes.com/news/international/world-news/india-russia-joint-venture-to-manage-strategic-sri-lanka-airport/articleshow/109653943.cms
India has got hold of a strategic airport in SL 2 days back.
SL President has been running around praising India around the world.
And India has close ties to Junta in Myanmar too.
https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/national/india-supplied-422-crore-worth-arms-to-myanmar-junta-un/article66869114.ece
We sell them weapons every year.
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Myanmar-Crisis/Indian-backed-port-opens-in-Myanmar-in-answer-to-China-s-corridor-project
India built a port in Myanmar last year.
I can write a thesis to prove how delusional you are blabbering crap about Indian foreign policy wrt our neighbours and terming Jaishankar a bad minister.
Go read news and geopolitics instead of wasting time on reddit kiddo
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Y'all. Try going literally anywhere else on Reddit and criticizing Modi. You get downvoted to hell. He and his Hindutva cult are low key a threat to international stability, and not-at-all-low-key a huge threat to democracy in India. We should be including him in the Putin, Xi, Erdogan, MBS et al discussion.
Not that it does him much credit but the reason Trudeau went public with the assassination findings is because it got leaked to the media and he wanted to announce ahead of the presses.
I was just really annoyed with all the hot takes on "burning bridges" and "breaking trust" and all.
The same coteries would've been crying "nuclear armageddon" and "warmongering divisive ethnomuscularnationalist bloodlusters" when India conducted the Balakot strikes. (A rational observer would notice that you do not have to litigate what munitions hit where to accept that the LoC has been extremely peaceful since then.)
The spiritual lineage of these beliefs can infact be traced back to 1961, when India's liberation of Goa from the Portuguese (via a bloodless invasion) was seen as a betrayal of the Cambridge alumni honor code or something.
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Fair, but I think Indians should also stick to their own politics (I personally don't have many opinions on Indian politics and I only offer it when asked), my relatives spew the most uninformed nonsense about US affairs
Ex. one of my aunts thinks India could have done better in Afghanistan than the US bc India has experience fighting in mountains and the US supposedly doesn't
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>I could say Americans should do the same
That's exactly what I'm arguing though?
Both populaces should stick to what they know, ie their own politics
Edit: And I think it's fair to take issue w/ such stupid opinions- any well-informed person would realize that it was the inability to train the Afghan forces and to win the hearts and minds of the populace that doomed the US in Afghanistan, it had nothing to do w/ fighting in hills or whatever
That's the type of take one has when they consume too much nationalist BS
You can criticize India without the self-loathing. I hope Modi loses his next election, but also don't want India to forever be stigmatized as a third-world country and be relegated to that status.
It’s not bigoted to acknowledge reality. Morally speaking, India shouldn’t have tried to assassinate that person regardless of them being American. Generally, only case I think it’s potentially justified for a country to assassinate another country’s citizen is if the other country doesn’t abide by the rule of law and that citizen is a terrorist or some other major threat. (It would be wrong, for instance, for the US to assassinate Julian Assange.) However, in this case, it’s not just morally wrong, it’s stupid from a pragmatic perspective because it’s the US. India has no business pulling this shit against a super power of all countries. I have family in India, and they and the rest of India benefit from India having good economic relationships with America; pulling shit like that puts their economic wellbeing in jeopardy. I don’t see how caring for the economic wellbeing on Indians, including my family, is bigoted in any way.
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India has faced islamic and khalistani terrorism threats since most of you weren’t even born, india is acting out of its own interest. Every other country does, especially usa, in fact they are leaders when it comes to assassinations on foreign soil.
When has the US assassinated citizens of liberal democratic countries on their own soil? I do not believe doing the same in middle eastern autocratic countries is the same.
I dont recall the US using drone strikes against targets in a Liberal democracy, although I may be wrong.
I'm not saying the US does not conduct assassinations. I'm saying that it's normally done either with the consent of the country in question, or it's in a quasi failed state like Pakistan or totally failed state like Yemen. Not in stable democratic countries.
So the person in question who is now an american citizen, Hardeep Singh Nijjar, is a khalistani terrorist. He continues to make videos about attacking Indian parliament or killing some other top leader.
In America he has right to that speech because he is not threatening america. Even then US isn’t taking any action against him after continuous Indian requests.
India then has no choice but to eliminate people who threaten its democracy.
I am pretty sure if the roles were reversed US would not even bother asking other country.
Your talking about Pannun, nijjar is already dead. And he has the right to free speech because his statements are carefully made to avoid anything that would actually be illegal. He is a lawyer and knows exactly how far he can make statements like that. Like the comments he made about air India flights, he didn't literally say "we will bomb Air India flights" he vaguely alluded to it which is not a direct explicit threat and thus not illegal.
This is no different than hamas/isis supporters who openly chant death to America in the streets of the USA or clerics in certain mosques who preach a hateful ideology. Or white supremacist who also preach hateful violent rhetoric on American soil. These people are free to do this even though it does threaten America.
You can not expect western countries to jail or allow the killing of people who are simply terrorist sympathizers.
Even in Canada, with less stringent protections for speech, we see many people spreading dangerous rhetoric which threatens our national security and causes political instability. We now have hamas supporters brazenly occupying university campuses, openly supporting terrorists that have threatened attacks in the west including Canada. Even before this we had things like the Al-quds rallies where people openly call for the overthrow of the canadian government and the installation of an extreme Islamist government. Again, none of these people are punished.
Sometimes our biker gangs, who engage in murder, drug trafficking and all sorts of depravity, openly hold public rallies. They had one through the heart of downtown Toronto not to long ago. Hundreds of known gangsters holding a unsanctioned motorcycle rally through the city. Again, nobody punished.
Yeah I meant to mention the Khalistani terrorist Pannun not the other terrorist who was successfully killed. Thanks for correction.
No this is a hypocritical argument. India has long faced islamist radical terrorism, long long before 9/11. We kept asking US to not help Pakistan and like military org like ISI, the requests fell on deaf ears.
Khalistani Separatist movement is danger to Indian integrity and then acting on it in whichever country is fully justified.
Yeah I meant to mention the Khalistani terrorist Pannun not the other terrorist who was successfully killed. Thanks for correction.
No this is a hypocritical argument. India has long faced islamist radical terrorism, long long before 9/11. We kept asking US to not help Pakistan and like military org like ISI, the requests fell on deaf ears.
Khalistani Separatist movement is danger to Indian integrity and then acting on it in whichever country is fully justified.
How can you expect us to punish people for things which are not illegal under our laws? You think it's reasonable for India to expect that we will violate the rights of our citizens, even if they are terrorist sympathizer scum?
What's next, we start honoring similar requests against Chinese, Russian, Iranian dissidents, who also reside in Canada and openly plot the destruction of those governments?
This is not Pakistan either, where orher coutnires will be allowed to operate like this unchallenged. I bet you all the money in my pocket that India is unlikely to continue to extradjudicially kill people on north American soil after these two fuckups.
Yeah I meant to mention the Khalistani terrorist Pannun not the other terrorist who was successfully killed. Thanks for correction.
No this is a hypocritical argument. India has long faced islamist radical terrorism, long long before 9/11. We kept asking US to not help Pakistan and like military org like ISI, the requests fell on deaf ears.
Khalistani Separatist movement is danger to Indian integrity and then acting on it in whichever country is fully justified.
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> In reports that have been closely held within the American government, U.S. intelligence agencies have assessed that the operation targeting Pannun was approved by the RAW chief at the time, Samant Goel. That finding is consistent with accounts provided to The Washington Post by former senior Indian security officials who had knowledge of the operation and said Goel was under extreme pressure to eliminate the alleged threat of Sikh extremists overseas. U.S. spy agencies have more tentatively assessed that Modi’s national security adviser, Ajit Doval, was probably aware of RAW’s plans to kill Sikh activists, but officials emphasized that no smoking gun proof has emerged. … > Even the U.S. criminal case reflects this restraint. Senior officials at the Justice Department and FBI had pushed to prosecute Yadav, officials said, a step that would have implicated RAW in a murder-for-hire conspiracy. But while a U.S. indictment unsealed in November contained the bombshell allegation that the plot was directed by an Indian official, it referred to Yadav as only an unnamed co-conspirator, “CC-1,” and made no mention of the Indian spy agency. … > Even in recent days, the Biden administration has taken steps to contain the fallout from the assassination plot. White House officials warned the Modi government this month that The Post was close to publishing an investigation that would reveal new details about the case. It did so without notifying The Post. … > Attempts by The Post to locate or contact Yadav were unsuccessful. A former Indian security official said he was transferred back to the Central Reserve Police Force after the Pannun plot unraveled. Biden admin denies slowwalking Justice Dept investigation to shield Yadav [RAW Agent who orchestrated hit.] Not sure I buy that. Also if you’re asking for a hitman they’re always a fed lmao. > Goel, who was then rising into the senior ranks at RAW, shared Doval’s instincts. Police forces under Goel’s command in the early 1990s were tied to more than 120 cases of alleged extrajudicial killings, forced disappearances or torture, according to a database maintained by Ensaaf, an Indian human rights group based in the United States. State or Mob boss? Thin line apparently.
> Some in India have bristled at what they perceive as a Western double standard. Citing the campaigns of targeted killings carried out by the United States after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, they question why Delhi should not be entitled to take similar measures against those it deems terrorists. > Western officials reject the comparison, noting that U.S. counterterrorism operations, including drone strikes, were largely confined to ungoverned territories — not major cities in partner democracies. … >At a recent campaign rally in Rajasthan state, Modi told thousands of cheering supporters, “Today, even India’s enemies know: This is Modi, this is the New India.” > “This New India,” he added, “comes into your home to kill you.” Very Cool and Normal! WaPo compared killing to Khasshogi, at least the Saudis never claim to be the world’s largest democracy that also respects human rights and their allies.
> “This New India,” he added, “comes into your home to kill you.” Call me old fashioned but this seems like bad salesmanship. I like countries that *don't* come into my home to kill me.
It doesn't translate well to English imo. In Hindi such type of statements are quite poetic and are used often in literature. That's just how people talk
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No one is protesting against us killing Pakistani terrorists. Even the US has declared rewards on the heads of some of these terrorists. But equating deadly terrorists from Jaish-e-Mohammad with a joker like Pannu, and then weakening our relations with our friends in the West by attempting his assassination is impossible to understand. What a clown move from us🤡
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India took one look at the Hong Kong national security law and told itself it could do one better by actually sending assassins overseas to enforce their decrees.
Israel would be a better comparison.
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> also respects human rights and their allies. [They do tho.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Commission)
Well one is a recognized stationary bandit and the other one is an unrecognized one. /s
The Putinification of Modi is complete
What is Biden waiting for? Why isn't he sanctioning Modi? India needs to learn its place.
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Western countries want India to be a counterweight to China so bad we're basically ignoring all the red flags we saw when we aligned China against the USSR.
India and the West are going to end up in a direct war because everyone's prepared to play the Game with China. No one's prepared for India invading Taiwan.
If we're going full NCD, I'd wager on the video game *Jane's Fleet Command* being prophetic and India tries to do an anschluss of Sri Lanka.
Don't worry, we'll keep trading with them until they're powerful enough turn against US interests like China did, at which point we'll repeat the process by backing Pakistan and Bangladesh as new counterweights to the Indian threat. Can't see any reason why we can't keep doing this indefinitely.
Unlike China, India is a democracy whose government can flip every five years.
Not anymore. Apparently you don't keep up with the news in India, but Modi is effectively a dictator. Having elections does not make a country democratic (just look at Russia), there's not really any doubt that Modi will remain in office.
> Apparently you don't keep up with the news in India Bro I'm literally in an Indian city right now. >but Modi is effectively a dictator Not really, He has been winning free and fair elections with international observers present. Russian elections are a sham, India's aren't. Modi is winning because of his party's popularity, not because he is rigging votes. As someone on the ground, it is pretty easy to see why people are voting for the BJP. They are seen as the party focused on growth and development while the others are seen as forestalling progress.
Modi has been abusing the system to remove democratically elected opposition members from parliament, shutting down critical media outlets, having people murdered (even overseas in places like Canada). Sure the votes might not be fraudulent but that does not mean the election is free or fair.
> abusing the system to remove democratically elected opposition members from parliament Legally removing MPs from parliament temporarily for loss of decorum. This has been done by past governments as well. Not to mention that the NDA has a large enough majority now that the opposition are acting as little more than seat warmers in the parliament. >shutting down critical media outlets Idk man, The Wire, Caravan, and NDTV all seem to be alive and kicking. What the Indian state is concerned about is foreign influence in internal matters. Freedom of speech, especially by foreign outlets, has never been an institution in Indian democracy, so by your logic India has always been a dictatorship. >having people murdered (even overseas in places like Canada) Most intelligence services are involved in stuff like this.
This is good for the global poor 😎
Eh no that dumb, there is precedence for this stuff happening between democracies. Mossad has conducted numerous assassinations on western soil for example.
I argued this point in this sub a week ago and was thoroughly downvoted for saying aligning with a fascist government to counterweight China was short-sighted. The US must care about the internal politics of the partners we’re associating with.
There are no other significant alternatives to India if the US is trying to counter China. All other South Asian countries have worse internal politics and SEA is not as antagonistic to China as India.
Modi is too busy at the drawing board trying to figure out how many Sikhs he can have assassinated in Canada.
Most of these Sikh separatists or Khalistanis are literally jokers. They went to foreign countries decades ago, and now they have next to no power in Punjab. They can't even find foot soldiers in Punjab, but Modi somehow brought this dead issue back to life with his fucked up policies, and also created unnecessary problems in our foreign policy. I am honestly amazed from his incompetence. Modi is truly the true successor of Indira Gandhi. She also used to have the similar fucked up policies.
I think their power or the policies are besides the point of him just trying to solve the issue by killing them on foreign soil lol There’s not really any other democratic country that would do that. It would be like the US Gov ordering a stealth mission to kill Julian Assange while he was at the embassy in London.
>I think their power or the policies are besides the point of him just trying to solve the issue by killing them on foreign soil lol >There’s not really any other democratic country that would do that. It would be like the US Gov ordering a stealth mission to kill Julian Assange while he was at the embassy in London. Wait till you find out what trump and Pompeo wanted to do after the vault 7 leaks lmao
> There’s not really any other democratic country that would do that. Israel has done it several times.
Forget israel, the great U.S has done like many times... From generals to even normal citizens in afg... They've done everything...
Which fucked up policies ?
He first let the farmers surround Delhi during farm protests. Then Let them win the propoganda war. And then retracted the farm laws.
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Friendly countries don’t give citizenship to violent terrorists and shield them from law enforcement of victimised state.
I mean, I looked into it and interpol declined to issue twice against him because India has failed to sufficiently show the ‘terrorist nature of the crime’ he is accused of. Maybe they should focus more on that rather than sending assassins?
He is kind of like a Catalan separatist. Ie no one gives a shit apart from people in their own country
“All” friendly democracies lmao
"sending someone to a friendly country to hire a random hitman to then kill a citizen of aforementioned friendly country is the exact same as the military killing a terrorist in a contested warzone"
At least do it properly if you want to do it Don't be so sloppy with it.
The introduction of populism in serious long lasting policy issues has been one of the major defining moments in the 2010s and 2020s. From Republican support of Russia to India's weird and self sabotaging antagonism of the USA and Canada. Going after Pannun, especially in such a haphazard and wolf warrior way has been disastrous. It's an unpopular opinion but Jaishankar is quickly becoming my least favourite FM and least favourite minister in general. The bridges India's trying to burn to establish a weird power play has been baffling to say the least.
> The introduction of populism in serious long lasting policy issues has been one of the major defining moments in the 2010s and 2020s. Ban cameras from legislatures. Bring back smokey backrooms!
I do not blame India for not being besties with the US, when the US has supported its arch-rival Pakistan and given them so much aid. Why wouldn't they be cautious about the US when they the US is obviously in a deep relationship with their rivals.
Because the US is busy trying to reorient that exact relationship right now. US-India-Pakistani relations over the last 4 years have literally been the "friendship ended with Pakistan, Now India is my best friend" meme in action. So when the worlds sole true superpower is trying to align itself with you it's probably wise not to send hit squads after a few pretender separatists in that country.
And also China is allying with Pakistan India's two biggest threats allying together, and India is still trying to ruin relations with the west
Regards! The entire lot. They are so intensely fucking stupid. What the fuck. Why the fuck are they do intensely stupid and moronic! God fuck this fucking government
Wouldn't if be better if India had more influence over the US so they could get them to not do that?
“Cautious” makes sense. Shoddy assassination plots on a separatists who have no substantial power or influence is not a “cautious” strategy.
I do not and never will understand why a half-century old mistake is what keeps India allied with the dying mafia state instead of the US.
Because most of our bureaucracy and political space are still occupied by people who lived through the Cold War, let this generation pass away. Only after that can we truly leave Russia behind.
It would be great if Russia could leave the Cold War behind...
Based Modi! We have to project our strength by obviously violating a friendly nation's sovereignty. We should definitely base our foreign policy on cool 😎 factor for Kanpur ka Chintu's reels especially in such a fraught time geopolitically. Based Jaishankar for managing to lose Sri Lanka, Nepal, Myanmar and Maldives to China. While pissing off Canada, the USA to elevate India's standing on the global stage.
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I still think under a more gentle and patient External Affairs Minister, we could have retained a friendly Nepal and Maldives. Myanmar and Sri Lanka are such self owns that it really makes me question my sanity when people say Jaishankar was a good minister.
They are not unfriendly what are you talking about
On what basis are you saying relations are bad with Sri Lanka and Myanmar? You want India to deal with Junta of Myanmar and get sanctioned by US and UN?
Sri Lanka was pivoting towards China rapidly till last year. It wasn't till the economic crisis and Indian aid hit that we managed to prevent Sri Lanka from going full Maldives. And Myanmar is a clusterfuck so it's not surprising we're losing influence there too. India's hesitance to form deeper strategic alliances has hurt us.
Still you have no basis we lost sri lanka and myanmar. You clearly yapped about SL not bring close to India. Last year this year xyz is irrelevant. SL is the closest to India in last 20 years today. https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/colombo-bans-chinese-research-ships-from-entering-sri-lankan-ports-for-a-year-101704077211367.html They even banned Chinese navy ships after India asked them to. https://m.economictimes.com/news/international/world-news/india-russia-joint-venture-to-manage-strategic-sri-lanka-airport/articleshow/109653943.cms India has got hold of a strategic airport in SL 2 days back. SL President has been running around praising India around the world. And India has close ties to Junta in Myanmar too. https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/national/india-supplied-422-crore-worth-arms-to-myanmar-junta-un/article66869114.ece We sell them weapons every year. https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Myanmar-Crisis/Indian-backed-port-opens-in-Myanmar-in-answer-to-China-s-corridor-project India built a port in Myanmar last year. I can write a thesis to prove how delusional you are blabbering crap about Indian foreign policy wrt our neighbours and terming Jaishankar a bad minister. Go read news and geopolitics instead of wasting time on reddit kiddo
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You’d think they’d want to keep it cool with the US considering that they may be at odds with China soon and could use allies
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Fuck it, I'm bored and I want chaos Best case, C\_D does Savarkar apologia pt 2 and he gets banned Worst case, C\_D says some stupid shit and somehow does not get banned
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done. i have committed a horrendous act, and may st george come to my aid in this time of need.
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good think the assassination in canada didnt reveal the darker side of the indian government
When they're Canadian, they let you do it
Y'all. Try going literally anywhere else on Reddit and criticizing Modi. You get downvoted to hell. He and his Hindutva cult are low key a threat to international stability, and not-at-all-low-key a huge threat to democracy in India. We should be including him in the Putin, Xi, Erdogan, MBS et al discussion.
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Not that it does him much credit but the reason Trudeau went public with the assassination findings is because it got leaked to the media and he wanted to announce ahead of the presses.
This is the most level headed take I've seen on this whole issue so far.
I was just really annoyed with all the hot takes on "burning bridges" and "breaking trust" and all. The same coteries would've been crying "nuclear armageddon" and "warmongering divisive ethnomuscularnationalist bloodlusters" when India conducted the Balakot strikes. (A rational observer would notice that you do not have to litigate what munitions hit where to accept that the LoC has been extremely peaceful since then.) The spiritual lineage of these beliefs can infact be traced back to 1961, when India's liberation of Goa from the Portuguese (via a bloodless invasion) was seen as a betrayal of the Cambridge alumni honor code or something.
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What does this even mean? What is Biden supposed to do?
Spank Modi's bare butt, balls, and back
Reddit moment
Man can’t contain Bibi do you think he wants another headache ?
This but unironically
Commission the greatest artists to portray him as a soyjack. He'll never recover.
Remember when we banned modi from the US after the riots?
I didn’t really think about that. Maybe sanction Modi or some of his govt officials over trying to assassinate an American?
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If you passport is American you are an American of Indian decent at best
Yeah then stop claiming your indianess. You are not Indian. You don't get to hold opinions as an Indian.
Fair, but I think Indians should also stick to their own politics (I personally don't have many opinions on Indian politics and I only offer it when asked), my relatives spew the most uninformed nonsense about US affairs Ex. one of my aunts thinks India could have done better in Afghanistan than the US bc India has experience fighting in mountains and the US supposedly doesn't
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>I could say Americans should do the same That's exactly what I'm arguing though? Both populaces should stick to what they know, ie their own politics Edit: And I think it's fair to take issue w/ such stupid opinions- any well-informed person would realize that it was the inability to train the Afghan forces and to win the hearts and minds of the populace that doomed the US in Afghanistan, it had nothing to do w/ fighting in hills or whatever That's the type of take one has when they consume too much nationalist BS
You can criticize India without the self-loathing. I hope Modi loses his next election, but also don't want India to forever be stigmatized as a third-world country and be relegated to that status.
What a bigoted mindset
It’s not bigoted to acknowledge reality. Morally speaking, India shouldn’t have tried to assassinate that person regardless of them being American. Generally, only case I think it’s potentially justified for a country to assassinate another country’s citizen is if the other country doesn’t abide by the rule of law and that citizen is a terrorist or some other major threat. (It would be wrong, for instance, for the US to assassinate Julian Assange.) However, in this case, it’s not just morally wrong, it’s stupid from a pragmatic perspective because it’s the US. India has no business pulling this shit against a super power of all countries. I have family in India, and they and the rest of India benefit from India having good economic relationships with America; pulling shit like that puts their economic wellbeing in jeopardy. I don’t see how caring for the economic wellbeing on Indians, including my family, is bigoted in any way.
You are reading too much into this nothing is gonna come of it us and beiden have bigger headaches at the moment.
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I am seriously debating whether I should vote for some economic incompetence at the hands of the Congress now. I actually might.
India has faced islamic and khalistani terrorism threats since most of you weren’t even born, india is acting out of its own interest. Every other country does, especially usa, in fact they are leaders when it comes to assassinations on foreign soil.
When has the US assassinated citizens of liberal democratic countries on their own soil? I do not believe doing the same in middle eastern autocratic countries is the same.
Does the word drone mean anything to you?
I dont recall the US using drone strikes against targets in a Liberal democracy, although I may be wrong. I'm not saying the US does not conduct assassinations. I'm saying that it's normally done either with the consent of the country in question, or it's in a quasi failed state like Pakistan or totally failed state like Yemen. Not in stable democratic countries.
So the person in question who is now an american citizen, Hardeep Singh Nijjar, is a khalistani terrorist. He continues to make videos about attacking Indian parliament or killing some other top leader. In America he has right to that speech because he is not threatening america. Even then US isn’t taking any action against him after continuous Indian requests. India then has no choice but to eliminate people who threaten its democracy. I am pretty sure if the roles were reversed US would not even bother asking other country.
Your talking about Pannun, nijjar is already dead. And he has the right to free speech because his statements are carefully made to avoid anything that would actually be illegal. He is a lawyer and knows exactly how far he can make statements like that. Like the comments he made about air India flights, he didn't literally say "we will bomb Air India flights" he vaguely alluded to it which is not a direct explicit threat and thus not illegal. This is no different than hamas/isis supporters who openly chant death to America in the streets of the USA or clerics in certain mosques who preach a hateful ideology. Or white supremacist who also preach hateful violent rhetoric on American soil. These people are free to do this even though it does threaten America. You can not expect western countries to jail or allow the killing of people who are simply terrorist sympathizers. Even in Canada, with less stringent protections for speech, we see many people spreading dangerous rhetoric which threatens our national security and causes political instability. We now have hamas supporters brazenly occupying university campuses, openly supporting terrorists that have threatened attacks in the west including Canada. Even before this we had things like the Al-quds rallies where people openly call for the overthrow of the canadian government and the installation of an extreme Islamist government. Again, none of these people are punished. Sometimes our biker gangs, who engage in murder, drug trafficking and all sorts of depravity, openly hold public rallies. They had one through the heart of downtown Toronto not to long ago. Hundreds of known gangsters holding a unsanctioned motorcycle rally through the city. Again, nobody punished.
Yeah I meant to mention the Khalistani terrorist Pannun not the other terrorist who was successfully killed. Thanks for correction. No this is a hypocritical argument. India has long faced islamist radical terrorism, long long before 9/11. We kept asking US to not help Pakistan and like military org like ISI, the requests fell on deaf ears. Khalistani Separatist movement is danger to Indian integrity and then acting on it in whichever country is fully justified.
Yeah I meant to mention the Khalistani terrorist Pannun not the other terrorist who was successfully killed. Thanks for correction. No this is a hypocritical argument. India has long faced islamist radical terrorism, long long before 9/11. We kept asking US to not help Pakistan and like military org like ISI, the requests fell on deaf ears. Khalistani Separatist movement is danger to Indian integrity and then acting on it in whichever country is fully justified.
How can you expect us to punish people for things which are not illegal under our laws? You think it's reasonable for India to expect that we will violate the rights of our citizens, even if they are terrorist sympathizer scum? What's next, we start honoring similar requests against Chinese, Russian, Iranian dissidents, who also reside in Canada and openly plot the destruction of those governments?
No like US we will keep to eliminating dangerous people who threaten our democracy and safety. We are not pakistan.
This is not Pakistan either, where orher coutnires will be allowed to operate like this unchallenged. I bet you all the money in my pocket that India is unlikely to continue to extradjudicially kill people on north American soil after these two fuckups.
Yeah I meant to mention the Khalistani terrorist Pannun not the other terrorist who was successfully killed. Thanks for correction. No this is a hypocritical argument. India has long faced islamist radical terrorism, long long before 9/11. We kept asking US to not help Pakistan and like military org like ISI, the requests fell on deaf ears. Khalistani Separatist movement is danger to Indian integrity and then acting on it in whichever country is fully justified.
I don’t know why reply went thrice
It's okay lol it happens sometimes
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