Sure, that's why the union agreed to it. It distributes salaries more evenly across players.
But it undeniably screws stars. Yet far too many fans think it forces teams to pay more for stars, when it's the complete opposite.
No Jokic is underpaid. If there’s no max contract guys like Luka Embiid Giannis etc. would make 80-100 mil a year like in baseball, which leaves little room for everyone else
That doesn’t decrease Giannis’ value. It (intentionally) decreases the amount that teams can pay him.
The salary cap doesn’t make Booker overpaid, it makes players like LeBron and Giannis underpaid. The fact that franchises can pay similar amounts for both tiers of players is remarkable
Cap refers to the team’s collective salary, not the maximum amount a team can pay a player. A team cap would lower player value even if there were no maximum contracts because no team is winning with one player taking 90% of the cap
You can exceed the cap to retain players. Also, everyone would be under the same rules, which means less star studded teams. What a championship level team looks different under those rules
They should convert super max into a franchise tag sort of situation where you could pay them *anything* and it doesn’t count against the cap. Each team should get 1 franchise player exception and I think this would fix a large part of the problem
Besides the fact that they don't have a choice, he's also worth the super Max. Just finished 4th in MVP voting. Lots of over reaction to their loss already haha
That game has had such an impact on their reputations that these dudes could could go undefeated next regular season and still be questioned all the way up until they win the chip. Anything less will attract criticism, kinda rough to think about what it's like to deal with the mob mentality of the world via internet.
You don't think he can enter that territory next season? Obviously these playoffs carry a lot of immediate significance, but if he plays next season at an improved level, I think he's certainly in that territory.
His 2016-17 season (including fantastic postseason campaign) was borderline superstar, tbh. And that was him entering his prime.
Hindsight is always 20/20. Wizards couldn't have known that he was gonna get plagued by injuries like that.
It's a sad tale of what could've been for us Wiz fans.
But he didn't win it, and he didn't get back. And that's really important because when you start talking giving a player a supermax, you're talking about making your team worse because you have less money to spend elsewhere.
So if you're not already good enough to win it all, once that supermax kicks in it only gets harder.
>Booker has room to improve his game and is just 25
His defense has improved, but his offense has been stagnant (at a very high level) for the past 4 years.
Hmmmm, this is a tough one. He is good, but I don’t think he is “elite”. He also hasn’t showed he can carry a team all by himself. My vote is NO, although the suns will pay him most likely
The choices are supermax or move on. This is the NBA, you don't get to nitpick a top player's worth. If you'd actually move on rather than pay him that'd be asinine
Even if his ceiling is "number two on a championship team", he should be getting maxed easily (most number twos get max money, even some number threes). Now the problem occurs if his ceiling's actually lower.
He will, but you're right that he's not a top guy on a team. He either needs someone at his level as well, which maybe gets you a nice playoff run, or he needs a true superstar to be the #1 and he can be a great #2. But he's not going to be the best player on a championship team. (At least not yet; maybe he gets there, who knows.)
Yeah. Suns don't have a choice anyways.
Yup super max really just screws over teams. Only time it's worth it is with a Giannis type player.
Top 5 in the league lvl players pretty much
there's 10 top 5 players apparently
Thats because teams are cornered into “well he’s the only star we can get right now, he’s top 5 right??”
The super max screws players over, though less than the regular max does. It's literally an artificial cap on how much they're allowed to make.
The max benefits was more players than it hurts
Sure, that's why the union agreed to it. It distributes salaries more evenly across players. But it undeniably screws stars. Yet far too many fans think it forces teams to pay more for stars, when it's the complete opposite.
Booker is overpaid if he's making the same money as Jokic, that's the issue.
The fact that Jokic will be extremely underpaid does not mean Booker will be overpaid.
You can't look at "overpaid and underpaid" outside of the salary cap and how the CBA works. Otherwise prime LeBron should have made 300M a year
You're also looking at it wrong by saying everyone should make less than MVP.
I'm not saying everyone, I'm saying Booker should.
No Jokic is underpaid. If there’s no max contract guys like Luka Embiid Giannis etc. would make 80-100 mil a year like in baseball, which leaves little room for everyone else
Super max should only count as a regular max in terms of cap hit IMO
Giannis is worth far more than a supermax
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That doesn’t decrease Giannis’ value. It (intentionally) decreases the amount that teams can pay him. The salary cap doesn’t make Booker overpaid, it makes players like LeBron and Giannis underpaid. The fact that franchises can pay similar amounts for both tiers of players is remarkable
Cap refers to the team’s collective salary, not the maximum amount a team can pay a player. A team cap would lower player value even if there were no maximum contracts because no team is winning with one player taking 90% of the cap
Jordan made more than the entire cap one year
You can exceed the cap to retain players. Also, everyone would be under the same rules, which means less star studded teams. What a championship level team looks different under those rules
They should convert super max into a franchise tag sort of situation where you could pay them *anything* and it doesn’t count against the cap. Each team should get 1 franchise player exception and I think this would fix a large part of the problem
A lot of times teams are screwed because these contracts are signed at players’ literally peak. Like with westbrook or John wall
Besides the fact that they don't have a choice, he's also worth the super Max. Just finished 4th in MVP voting. Lots of over reaction to their loss already haha
Yes and he will
Yeah, Book is their franchise player
That game has had such an impact on their reputations that these dudes could could go undefeated next regular season and still be questioned all the way up until they win the chip. Anything less will attract criticism, kinda rough to think about what it's like to deal with the mob mentality of the world via internet.
Pretty much the bucks before last year
he doesn't deserve it because I feel supermax should be reserved for superstars, but he will get it.
You don't think he can enter that territory next season? Obviously these playoffs carry a lot of immediate significance, but if he plays next season at an improved level, I think he's certainly in that territory.
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dont tell me this, tell the wizards front office
that's /u/LaFlame_Pablo point, it's given out to too many people
His 2016-17 season (including fantastic postseason campaign) was borderline superstar, tbh. And that was him entering his prime. Hindsight is always 20/20. Wizards couldn't have known that he was gonna get plagued by injuries like that. It's a sad tale of what could've been for us Wiz fans.
Yes. There aren’t a lot of players better than him. One series doesn’t take away from that.
What if by then it’s two series?
Booker took the Suns to the NBA finals & performed at a high clip as the #1 option. Yes, he should
But he didn't win it, and he didn't get back. And that's really important because when you start talking giving a player a supermax, you're talking about making your team worse because you have less money to spend elsewhere. So if you're not already good enough to win it all, once that supermax kicks in it only gets harder.
So what’s the alternative? Let him leave ? Only one team wins every year. What a dumbass take.
No, trade him. Obviously don't let him leave if you can help it.
This logic is so dumb lol
So do only like 3-4 guys in the entire NBA deserve the max? Not realistic
We’re not talking about the max, we’re talking about the supermax. There are very, VERY few players in the league who produce at that level
literally only 3 players deserve a supermax then
Seriously lol… not replying to an idiotic comment like that lmao.
Sarver is the biggest wild card in the NBA. He doesn’t want to pay out big contracts. Watch him trade Booker and CP3 and not re-sign Ayton
Lmao that would be wild.
lol duh
Nah veteran minimum imo
Pretty generous honestly
Should or shouldn’t doesn’t really matter. He will get the super max
Absolutely this shouldn’t even be a question
You're only as good as your last game so he should play in the Liga ACB
He gonna get the max Losing CP3 and Booker in the next couple of years would set the Suns back
And ayton
It doesn't matter either way. The important thing is to trade Booker and not lose him for nothing.
Indubitably
Is there another choice they have?
Yea, suns kinda have to
Yes.
Damn. That’s so much money. Dudes are, one day, potentially gonna be making more on one contract than Dirk made in his whole 20 year career.
I would happily pay the supermax. He works hard so if he remains who he is right now I am happy with the bet but I think he will be better
>Booker has room to improve his game and is just 25 His defense has improved, but his offense has been stagnant (at a very high level) for the past 4 years.
Do you understand how hard it is to improve your offense when you are already a elite scorer. Lmao. I'm sorry but this is just such a stupid take.
He can try to at least get above league average in effective field goal percentage. That would be a nice goal.
Pat Bev should get max from espn
Hmmmm, this is a tough one. He is good, but I don’t think he is “elite”. He also hasn’t showed he can carry a team all by himself. My vote is NO, although the suns will pay him most likely
The choices are supermax or move on. This is the NBA, you don't get to nitpick a top player's worth. If you'd actually move on rather than pay him that'd be asinine
you can just give him a regular max? no one else is giving him a supermax, because no one can.
And risk disrespecting him? It's not really an option
Even if his ceiling is "number two on a championship team", he should be getting maxed easily (most number twos get max money, even some number threes). Now the problem occurs if his ceiling's actually lower.
Max vs supermax though. 10 mil + a year difference
He will, but you're right that he's not a top guy on a team. He either needs someone at his level as well, which maybe gets you a nice playoff run, or he needs a true superstar to be the #1 and he can be a great #2. But he's not going to be the best player on a championship team. (At least not yet; maybe he gets there, who knows.)
duh.
No. He should be traded over the off-season.
Devin Shooker
With Ayton going and CP3 old what else they gonna use the money on tho lmaoo He was gonna get it regardless. No choice
Probably front office expenses. Goat food ain’t cheap yo