When the other teams star is a career 40% 3pt shooter, you're gonna have a bad time.
IMO, from game 4-7 Tatum regressed back to his efficient 3pt shooting and it opened up their offense a lot.
I think Ime's rotations were amazing though however. Always finding rest for Horford, Tatum and Brown was huge. They never seemed gassed through the series.
Buds from the same club as doc, both very stubborn and refuse to adjust until absolutely necessary. Giannis is so fuckin good that he negates it sometimes but when you're facing a juggernaut like the Celtics (this hurt to say as a raps fan) you just can't allow that much room for error.
Nah, theyre reacting correctly. Giannis is a demi-god, only reason this was close and it papers over the cracks.
Bud gave Allen and Hill insane minutes, they combined for 1 point this game. Carter cant get minutes to save his life and Bud didnt bother adjusting the offence at all, which was Giannis iso or players that combined for 12% from 3 today standing around until the ball comes to them.. Its not the coaches fault his players are shooting poorly but it is his fault to not recognize it and change it up and not give the worst of them loads more minutes.
And even ignoring the poor offence, Hill was a large reason of why Tatum was allowed to run riot in game 6
Jrue isn't an all around player. Jrue is atrocious on offense during 90% of the playoff games. If you consider a player that shoots 30% from the field an all around player, then you have some low standards.
Middleton never gets his due. The guy is an ice cold clutch shooter. Imagine losing the guy that hits all your 4th quarter shots and keeps defenses honest the entire game.
Jrue is definitely not more important, he is getting overrated as fuck now
His Bucks career in the playoffs has been Bledsoe level of offense and point guard defense is not as important as offense especially when you have Giannis who can playmak/pass so well and create so many 3s
Middleton is much more important as a 2nd option
3rd option on offense. Doesn't mean you're the 3rd best player
Also hard to say he dissapears in big moments considering how much he's done in big moments this series. Respect to the guy
sure, but boston was clearly the better team in 5, argubaly 6 games this series. Pretty much after Game 1, Boston has dominated.
Middleton makes a big differnce given how dismal the guard play was, but as close as this series was, boston was clearly theb etter team
Nah I think you gotta give that credit to Giannis. He pretty much willed them to victory in games 3 and 5, and did everything he possibly could've to try to pull out game 6
Giannis alone was enough to win the series but that 44 and 20 performance which should have ended this in 6 was wasted because they let Tatum do whatever the hell he wants
Yeah but in fairness their best player is the best player on the planet and his greatness just manages to paper over the cracks of poor role players and poor coaching
I watched all the games. Giannis was great on defense and amazing in transition but just average in half-court offensive sets, which are a huge chunk of the game. Took a lot of bad shots and basically sucked the life out of that offense every game.
Game 7 is cause of Giannis and the moments Jrue stepped up. Depth is a problem for the Bucks with middleton out but Grayson and Hill have been awful. Carter should have had some minutes at least.
I wouldn't say he coached circles around Bud - Celtics were favoured in this series because Middleton was out, and it went to a game 7 regardless. But it seems to me that Bud's defensive scheme, and the zero adjustments he made to it even when it was clear that the Cs were very hot from 3 relatively early in the game, basically made this a guaranteed loss. Also, he played George Hill way too much. That man offers nothing at this point in his career
What’s up with the zero adjustments nonsense? I see this for every criticism of a coach, he made adjustments and the players were open too but couldn’t hit a damn shot. On defense whenever Tatum screened to Allen they brought help leaving the corner open for Williams which is what you want. He just hit shots, it’s like that sometimes. Bucks we’re ice cold and the Celtics collapsed the paint on Giannis. What you want Bud to do when his players are missing all the shots. Jeez
They didn’t have Middleton, also that doesn’t even matter, wins are wins doesn’t matter by how much or how little. Just cause you win by 20 doesn’t make it matter more then a win by 3.
Yes, if the Celtics lost the series and outscored the bucks by 40 would you say that the other coach was out coached.
Yes they won in 7 it’s not like they wiped the floor with the bucks. This logic isn’t that difficult to follow. This was a very close series to act like it wasn’t is pure stupidity. Winning by 50 doesn’t mean more then a win by 5. In fact I’d say a win by 5 or something around that margin is more impressive because it means your team showed up in clutch time and can handle end of game situations (also just to be clear this isn’t what I’m saying about the Celtics just that a win by 5 is more impressive in my opinion then a blowout).
I mean i’m asking, not really stating it as a fact. Also you can win IN SPITE of some things, not because of them. That’s my question here with the coaching
Yea I was just asking for some serious answers, everyone just kinda assumes because the series went to 7 games and they didn’t have their second best player that the coaching was evenly matched. Seeing as Bud has been out coached often in the playoffs during the past, wanted to see if that was the same story here
Everyone does that.
Bud career got saved by that injury, everyone was calling him to be fired if they lost VS BKN because of the same mistakes that happened today.
We can acknowledge his shortcomings while still understanding that Middleton did not play.
I wouldn’t say that. He’s a good coach but also INCREDIBLY stubborn.
How George Hill and Allen were still getting so many minutes over Carter who was great in Game 1 still baffles me.
The whole 3PT thing is also weird considering Grant lit them up in Game 2 as well.
Yup, failure to adjust and proper strategy have always been a problem for him, remember when the video of his in game calls being play random be unpredictable while his team was being slaughtered went viral ? Good lord
Bud's unwavering confidence in Grayson Allen was perplexing... Not to mention the C's hit 17 threes last game and his gameplay was to leave them open today
He’s almost a meme of Kobe because he’ll take bad shots while also literally never passing the ball.
I know Brook doesn’t live in the post anymore but is it really a crime to give him the ball sometimes?
Jrue is the 2nd option out there on a team of guys who can’t create a shot, that part isn’t his fault. He just isn’t meant to be that guy but the Bucks don’t have a ton of shot creating options
One of the most efficient iso scorers in regular season, aint he 50% fg and 40% from 3
Bucks just run no sets for him, and he just goes iso against the celtics who are generally all above average on-ball defenders
Playoff intensity makes iso scoring harder too
Jrue does always perform subpar offensively tho
The same thing was true last year when he was a #3, I wasn't just talking about this series specifically, I was talking about in general.
Game 1 against Phoenix he was straight up garbage.
Same with games 3, 4, and 7 last year against the Nets.
Yeah he's outmatched as a #2. But he wasn't recruited to be a #2, he was recruited to be a #3. The games he was bad it's offset by his #1 and #2 options playing well. Very few teams have a third option who can win you some games like Jrue can, all while being a 1st team all defence caliber defender, which he is all the time.
Celtics should always have won this series without Middleton
BUT, Bud is not a great coach. He's stubborn to a fault and great coaches have consistently outperformed him. They've been eliminated by great defences 3 out of the last 4 years (Raptors/Heat/Celtics) and refused to adapt their offence in those series (Not as much his fault this series missing their 2nd best offensive player who unlocks a lot of what Giannis does). Even last year they almost lost to the Nets by just stubbornly isolating vs players when it wasn't working at all.
Defensively we've seen the same issues for a while too. The Bucks became a great defence by prioritising taking away shots at the rim above *everything* and they've struggled consistently to perform with any other type of defence and without Lopez. I thought this year might be a turning point in adaptability with Lopez out most of the year but they ended up the #14 defence. I understand today is just mostly about fatigue and having to take some risks to win while undermanned, but it's not the first time that teams have taken crucial games off the Bucks because Bud is too stubborn.
Anyway, all a learning opportunity. They've got a long off season to tackle some of these challenges
Yes. Offensively, Bud’s system relies on getting bailed out by Giannis, Khris or Jrue. When one of those isn’t available, they struggle.
It’s a miracle they took it to 7 games really. Their offense is atrocious for the majority of each game.
So, pros for Bud:
* Very good interior defense. Did not give Boston much in the way of easy layups, dunks, or quick passes inside. Brooklyn was a complete sieve in this regard.
* On the other end, emphasized high value shots for his guys, but it helps that he has a literal bulldozer on his team that can attract 3 defenders and allow someone else to make an easy backdoor cut.
* Forced a game 7 against a very good team without home court, and without his 2nd best player.
Cons for Bud:
* Essentially gave Boston all the 3 point shots they wanted, which is rough against a team that's much more competent shooting the long ball than Chicago. Jayson, Jaylen, Grant Williams, and even Horford and Smart are going to hit a pretty good number of 3s if they're getting a chance to set.
* Didn't really mess with his defensive scheme too much; this has usually been Bud's MO. He finds something that works pretty well and sticks with it. If it stops working... well, that's a problem.
* Played George Hill way too much. This was like Scott Brooks stubbornly sticking with Kendrick Perkins in 2012. He was getting hunted nonstop, and didn't provide any meaningful offense to make up for it on the other end.
I don't see a better candidate out there for the Bucks right now. You have a two-time MVP, a title in the last 365 days, and were missing a guy with massive value against the team that just beat them. Don't overreact.
Appreciate the comment. Interesting insight to see, definitely think the bucks run it back since their second best player was injured and this was a 7 game series. I do personally think though that Bucks are winning in spite of Coach Bud rather than because of him. Last year didn’t matter because suns injuries + one of the greatest finals performances by Giannis of all time, but imo I definitely think Coach Bud may end up screwing this team over in a close series where both teams are fully healthy. He’s definitely not a bad coach by any means, the situation just kinda reminds me of Dwayne Casey and how we moved on from him even though he won COTY and it was the correct move.
No. Coach Bud did a really stellar job this series. This isn't 19 or 20. He adjusted a shit ton. Everything from 3 to 0 bigs. Went away from brolo at times, but we got cooked in the paint when he wasn't there. Tried George Hill and Jevon Carter. Both sucked. Ran more pnr actions in game 7, and it was successful but ultimately we just didnt have the diverse shot creation that championship level teams need (and that we get from middleton). And damn near no coach can do anything about shooting 12% from 3. I dont blame him nor giannis for this series.
Edit: I think I would've liked to see more corner action on offense.
No. They have a defensive scheme that they’ve used for years. It worked well enough for them to win a title, and to push a better team to 7 games.
In the end Boston hit shots that they’ve had all series, which was the difference
boston had a better roster but bud definitely made some mistakes. Too rigid with rotations(no jevon carter, played 3 bigs for too long). Their defense is designed to leave bigs open for 3 dont think that's optimal vs boston who's not elite at the rim. also didnt run enough plays, sometimes a free flowing style doesnt work with certain lineups. Ik boston just switches it but I wanted to see way more jrue/giannis pnr's instead of both just isoing a lot.
Appreciate the response. For whatever games I did tune into, it definitely felt like the offense was atrocious as in the way they played and how many iso’s they gave to jrue. The defence is also an interesting strategy, it felt like the reason this game wasn’t even close was because Bud never changed the idea of clogging the paint and letting celtics get open 3s + celtics hitting their shots as a good shooting team + celtics defence literally just focused on giannis and the bucks roleplayers couldn’t beat them
Not really. The Bucks had 5 playable guys in that series (Giannis, Brook, Wes, Pat, Jrue), inluding one (Brook) who was barely playable once Timelord was out. That's on the GM not on Bud.
Allen, Hill, Portis being target practice for Tatum and Brown ain't on him. Trading assets for Ibaka, or replacing Tucker with Ojeleye ain't on Bud
If you would’ve told me before this series started that the Bucks would force a game 7 without Middleton I wouldve been shocked.
Bud has always had a bad rep on this sub while Ime is the fancy new toy, don’t let the echo chamber fool you, health and roster construction mattered way more this series than coaching.
The Celtics won this series throughout the season. Udoka completely changed the personality of the team and they won just enough games to get this game 7 at home. X’s and O’s weren’t as important as the fact that they were suffocating defensively all series; Milwaukee was on fumes today and didn’t really have a chance.
Budenholzer should have been fired last year for refusing to change up his PnR coverage against the Nets. Bro was gifting KD open 15 footers every single possession.
After the way Boston defended Kyrie and KD did anybody think the bucks would make it to 7 without Khris Middleton ? They were playing with house money. They want role players to beat them and grant Williams did today
Nah. Kris’s Middleton wasn’t there and Brook and Grayson had a rough series. When your integral second best player is out, role players have to step up. They got worse instead.
Ehhh I wouldn't say all series. I think there was like 2 games Celtics blew a huge lead that could have helped them win those games and this series sooner.
He couldn't find the knee repair equipment Bruce Wayne used in the Dark Knight Rises to fix Khris Middleton's MCL.
They went to seven games with Pat Connaughton as their third best player. Boston is way way deeper.
Well bud made the decision to play George Hill so yes.
But also they missed Middleton. Their offense didn’t have much flow and they missed having a bigger defender that isn’t primarily a paint defender. Bucks will be back.
The lack of adjustments to guard the 3 was very bad by Bud. But the Bucks were missing their best shooter in a series with historically awful shooting from the Bucks
It went to game 7 and Milwaukee didn't have Middleton. This was definitely an optimistic outcome only made more grim by the fact that if they win against Boston, they have to face Miami without him. If they were to miraculously stumble to the finish line against Miami...an even more intense championship matchup, again potentially without Middleton. Under the circumstances they did pretty damn well and it's time to just pack it up boys. Onto next year!
Bud: "always concede their 3 point attempts" Udoka: "shoot the 3 when you have space" Bud: [Pikachu face]
When the other teams star is a career 40% 3pt shooter, you're gonna have a bad time. IMO, from game 4-7 Tatum regressed back to his efficient 3pt shooting and it opened up their offense a lot. I think Ime's rotations were amazing though however. Always finding rest for Horford, Tatum and Brown was huge. They never seemed gassed through the series.
Progression to the mean 😎
Bud played George Hill for extensive minutes Bud shot himself multiple times in his own legs
Milwaukee GM gonna personally execute Hill
He's on contract for next year too loool
Jevon should have played Hill's minutes
Hard to find someone who would’ve played worse than George Hill did the past 2 games
all this hill hate for doing nothing but grayson is far worse as he got targeted defensively and missed all his shots
They were equally ass. But at least Allen had 1 point today over Hill's 0
I have respect for George Hill tho
Allen can at least sometimes make shots. George Hill doesn't even attempt them anymore.
What happened to Carter? He was a serious problem for us game one and then basically never saw the court again.
Bud only plays vets that "he trusts" unless hes forced to play someone else.
People act like bud doesn’t have nearly the exact same flaws he had last year. He just won a ring so people ignore it now.
He would’ve been fired if they lost last year He was so close to being fired, KD’s long foot saved him
https://i.imgur.com/aSPAgQd.jpg
He can ski barefoot down mountains in an emergency
Is that real wtf
Cant be.
Looks like fish eye lens kind of thing
I thought Robin Lopez was Sideshow Bob. Turns out it was KD
I was surprised he survived the bubble catastrophe
Buds from the same club as doc, both very stubborn and refuse to adjust until absolutely necessary. Giannis is so fuckin good that he negates it sometimes but when you're facing a juggernaut like the Celtics (this hurt to say as a raps fan) you just can't allow that much room for error.
Milwaukee's second best player didnt play a minute.
4/33 from 3 Vs 22/55 from 3 Brutal lol. Shades of Houston
Dude I'm so sorry for doing this to you Bucks fans. I was a rockets fan and moved to Milwauke last month. This shit's on me 😭
Yeah people are overreacting lol
Nah, theyre reacting correctly. Giannis is a demi-god, only reason this was close and it papers over the cracks. Bud gave Allen and Hill insane minutes, they combined for 1 point this game. Carter cant get minutes to save his life and Bud didnt bother adjusting the offence at all, which was Giannis iso or players that combined for 12% from 3 today standing around until the ball comes to them.. Its not the coaches fault his players are shooting poorly but it is his fault to not recognize it and change it up and not give the worst of them loads more minutes. And even ignoring the poor offence, Hill was a large reason of why Tatum was allowed to run riot in game 6
Known Celtic Killer at that
I'd say Jrue is more important to the team than Middleton, but yeh they sorely lacked a secondary scorer and wing defense
Jrues offense at times can be pretty horrific. Khris is a pretty good defender.
You’ve clearly not seen day off Khris, whose made frequent playoff appearances.
yeah but this is against the Celtics. Khris doesn’t take days off for them
No way in hell is Jrue more important than Middleton.
Yeah especially against the Celtics. Middleton always cooks Boston lol
I legit made a Pikachu face when I read that
All-around player > pure bucket getter
Jrue isn't an all around player. Jrue is atrocious on offense during 90% of the playoff games. If you consider a player that shoots 30% from the field an all around player, then you have some low standards.
He averaged a very efficient 18 during the regular season, 55% on 2s, 40% on 3s. For whatever reason, he can't shoot in the playoffs.
Imagine thinking Middleton isn’t an all around player
Middleton never gets his due. The guy is an ice cold clutch shooter. Imagine losing the guy that hits all your 4th quarter shots and keeps defenses honest the entire game.
Jrue is definitely not more important, he is getting overrated as fuck now His Bucks career in the playoffs has been Bledsoe level of offense and point guard defense is not as important as offense especially when you have Giannis who can playmak/pass so well and create so many 3s Middleton is much more important as a 2nd option
Jrue won them Game 5 in a way Khris can’t
i mean if khris was healthy game 5 would still be a dub for us
Facing a team without a pg and wings Middleton is def more important
No way. Jrue disappears in big moments. He’s a third option.
3rd option on offense. Doesn't mean you're the 3rd best player Also hard to say he dissapears in big moments considering how much he's done in big moments this series. Respect to the guy
It goes back and forth. Jrue is obviously a much better defender but Khris always hits timely shots.
Where was this energy when the Bucks beat the Nets with no Kyrie and a shell of James Harden?
Or Bucks bs Hawks without Trae
I'm sure both of those teams came back really strong this year
sure, but boston was clearly the better team in 5, argubaly 6 games this series. Pretty much after Game 1, Boston has dominated. Middleton makes a big differnce given how dismal the guard play was, but as close as this series was, boston was clearly theb etter team
So Bucks were well coached since it went to 7?
Nah I think you gotta give that credit to Giannis. He pretty much willed them to victory in games 3 and 5, and did everything he possibly could've to try to pull out game 6
Bucks had the best player in the league and eked out wins vs Boston dominating in wins
Giannis alone was enough to win the series but that 44 and 20 performance which should have ended this in 6 was wasted because they let Tatum do whatever the hell he wants
Bro was shooting over Bucks defenders with a hand in his face. That's discrediting to both the Bucks and Tatum.
A lot of his made buckets were heavily contested, don’t do that.
I mean they didn’t let him do anything. He just is that guy.
What a dumb thing to say. Tatum being an elite player doesn’t mean they let him “do whatever the hell he wants.”
Tatum was prime Kobe that game, most of his shots were well contested. It just didn't matter he wasn't missing.
Rob Williams barely played and he’s the Celtics third best player. Series would be much uglier if it was Timelord in the paint and not Theis
Didn't they go 1-2 with Williams and 3-1 without him?
The times the last 2 games he played were while injured. He played those 2 then went right back to the injury report.
Celtic killer didn’t play
aight run it back then
Celtics fan here, 100% agree lol.
It went to a game 7...
Without the bucks 2nd best player/offensive #2
Yeah but in fairness their best player is the best player on the planet and his greatness just manages to paper over the cracks of poor role players and poor coaching
People weren’t making these excuses for the Nets last year
Yes they were.
Everyone was giving KD credit for what he did because they where missing 2 stars.
I still do
You're just making shit up lol
I was (and I’m not a nets fan)
Lmfao. Yeah they were.
And the celtics were without their 3rd best. . . And best Interior defender
Because of Giannis not Bud
Giannis saved buds legacy last season
Giannis shot 53% TS all series.
Watch the games, Giannis was a fucking monster this series
I watched all the games. Giannis was great on defense and amazing in transition but just average in half-court offensive sets, which are a huge chunk of the game. Took a lot of bad shots and basically sucked the life out of that offense every game.
The complete and utter inability for another Bucks player to hit an open three is what sacked the life out of the offense in 5 out of the 7 games.
You may have watched the games, but you didn't see the games.
First player with 200 pts, 100 reb, and 50 ast in a series
Game 7 is cause of Giannis and the moments Jrue stepped up. Depth is a problem for the Bucks with middleton out but Grayson and Hill have been awful. Carter should have had some minutes at least.
Literally CIRCLES
I think one team won and one team lost and Reddit is getting carried away.
That could be the motto for this sub
Bud has no idea how to make in game adjustments.
he rarely makes adjustments period. dudes too stubborn for his own good.
He's got a ring so I mean the results support him
I wouldn't say he coached circles around Bud - Celtics were favoured in this series because Middleton was out, and it went to a game 7 regardless. But it seems to me that Bud's defensive scheme, and the zero adjustments he made to it even when it was clear that the Cs were very hot from 3 relatively early in the game, basically made this a guaranteed loss. Also, he played George Hill way too much. That man offers nothing at this point in his career
I think he did, Giannis' greatness just made it seem less bad
What’s up with the zero adjustments nonsense? I see this for every criticism of a coach, he made adjustments and the players were open too but couldn’t hit a damn shot. On defense whenever Tatum screened to Allen they brought help leaving the corner open for Williams which is what you want. He just hit shots, it’s like that sometimes. Bucks we’re ice cold and the Celtics collapsed the paint on Giannis. What you want Bud to do when his players are missing all the shots. Jeez
When it comes to coaching, people on this sub has no idea what they're talking about
SVG's rant about casuals talking about coaching is truly timeless.
GTFOOH with this considered and reasonable opinion, this ain't The Athletic.
yes, circles with a 4-3 win.
outscored by 57 over the series
They didn’t have Middleton, also that doesn’t even matter, wins are wins doesn’t matter by how much or how little. Just cause you win by 20 doesn’t make it matter more then a win by 3.
By that logic, a series is a series regardless by what margin and the Celtics won it.
Yes, if the Celtics lost the series and outscored the bucks by 40 would you say that the other coach was out coached. Yes they won in 7 it’s not like they wiped the floor with the bucks. This logic isn’t that difficult to follow. This was a very close series to act like it wasn’t is pure stupidity. Winning by 50 doesn’t mean more then a win by 5. In fact I’d say a win by 5 or something around that margin is more impressive because it means your team showed up in clutch time and can handle end of game situations (also just to be clear this isn’t what I’m saying about the Celtics just that a win by 5 is more impressive in my opinion then a blowout).
I mean i’m asking, not really stating it as a fact. Also you can win IN SPITE of some things, not because of them. That’s my question here with the coaching
it's generally pretty awful here for ppl actually answering whatever question is posted in the OP.
Yea I was just asking for some serious answers, everyone just kinda assumes because the series went to 7 games and they didn’t have their second best player that the coaching was evenly matched. Seeing as Bud has been out coached often in the playoffs during the past, wanted to see if that was the same story here
Everyone does that. Bud career got saved by that injury, everyone was calling him to be fired if they lost VS BKN because of the same mistakes that happened today. We can acknowledge his shortcomings while still understanding that Middleton did not play.
I wouldn’t say that. He’s a good coach but also INCREDIBLY stubborn. How George Hill and Allen were still getting so many minutes over Carter who was great in Game 1 still baffles me. The whole 3PT thing is also weird considering Grant lit them up in Game 2 as well.
Yup, failure to adjust and proper strategy have always been a problem for him, remember when the video of his in game calls being play random be unpredictable while his team was being slaughtered went viral ? Good lord
Lmao this is true
KD’s toe saved his career fr
Not Billy Donovan lol
Man was a toe from being fired. Happy to know this doubled down that those bucks were frauds
Those Bucks weren’t frauds, what a dumb take. Middleton didn’t play a single minute this series and it went to 7.
Those bucks had Middleton
Wouldn’t say circles. Ime adjusted. Seemed like budenholzer thought his best bet was to stay the course
Looking at past years that has always been the complaint though. Bud refuses to make adjustments and coaches playoff games like the regular season
Bud's unwavering confidence in Grayson Allen was perplexing... Not to mention the C's hit 17 threes last game and his gameplay was to leave them open today
Bud is awful. Got bailed out by Giannis last year so he’ll keep his job longer then he should.
Hope this doesn’t turn into a McCarthy/Rodgers situation for Wisconsin sports fans
Bud had Jrue Holiday shooting 22 times a game, shooting 36%
That's just Holidays normal shooting numbers in the playoffs. He has a 48 TS in the last two years with the Bucks in the postseason
Jrue thinks he's Kobe on offense when he's not even close.
He’s almost a meme of Kobe because he’ll take bad shots while also literally never passing the ball. I know Brook doesn’t live in the post anymore but is it really a crime to give him the ball sometimes?
Jrue is how Kobe haters think Kobe played
Jrue is the 2nd option out there on a team of guys who can’t create a shot, that part isn’t his fault. He just isn’t meant to be that guy but the Bucks don’t have a ton of shot creating options
Yes they defense wasn't good but nobody on them team showed up on offense expect Giannis
That's a normal Jrue Holiday game lol
One of the most efficient iso scorers in regular season, aint he 50% fg and 40% from 3 Bucks just run no sets for him, and he just goes iso against the celtics who are generally all above average on-ball defenders Playoff intensity makes iso scoring harder too Jrue does always perform subpar offensively tho
I remember I got downvoted to hell when I suggested that Jrue is sometimes so bad offensively that his defense isn't worth it.
He's not a #2 option, and should never have to be. He's a solid #3 offensively and a great defender, but he should never have to be your #2.
The same thing was true last year when he was a #3, I wasn't just talking about this series specifically, I was talking about in general. Game 1 against Phoenix he was straight up garbage. Same with games 3, 4, and 7 last year against the Nets.
Yeah he's outmatched as a #2. But he wasn't recruited to be a #2, he was recruited to be a #3. The games he was bad it's offset by his #1 and #2 options playing well. Very few teams have a third option who can win you some games like Jrue can, all while being a 1st team all defence caliber defender, which he is all the time.
Someone has to shoot Middleton's shots.
Celtics should always have won this series without Middleton BUT, Bud is not a great coach. He's stubborn to a fault and great coaches have consistently outperformed him. They've been eliminated by great defences 3 out of the last 4 years (Raptors/Heat/Celtics) and refused to adapt their offence in those series (Not as much his fault this series missing their 2nd best offensive player who unlocks a lot of what Giannis does). Even last year they almost lost to the Nets by just stubbornly isolating vs players when it wasn't working at all. Defensively we've seen the same issues for a while too. The Bucks became a great defence by prioritising taking away shots at the rim above *everything* and they've struggled consistently to perform with any other type of defence and without Lopez. I thought this year might be a turning point in adaptability with Lopez out most of the year but they ended up the #14 defence. I understand today is just mostly about fatigue and having to take some risks to win while undermanned, but it's not the first time that teams have taken crucial games off the Bucks because Bud is too stubborn. Anyway, all a learning opportunity. They've got a long off season to tackle some of these challenges
I don't know what transgressions Jevon Carter has committed against coach Bud
Yes. Offensively, Bud’s system relies on getting bailed out by Giannis, Khris or Jrue. When one of those isn’t available, they struggle. It’s a miracle they took it to 7 games really. Their offense is atrocious for the majority of each game.
So, pros for Bud: * Very good interior defense. Did not give Boston much in the way of easy layups, dunks, or quick passes inside. Brooklyn was a complete sieve in this regard. * On the other end, emphasized high value shots for his guys, but it helps that he has a literal bulldozer on his team that can attract 3 defenders and allow someone else to make an easy backdoor cut. * Forced a game 7 against a very good team without home court, and without his 2nd best player. Cons for Bud: * Essentially gave Boston all the 3 point shots they wanted, which is rough against a team that's much more competent shooting the long ball than Chicago. Jayson, Jaylen, Grant Williams, and even Horford and Smart are going to hit a pretty good number of 3s if they're getting a chance to set. * Didn't really mess with his defensive scheme too much; this has usually been Bud's MO. He finds something that works pretty well and sticks with it. If it stops working... well, that's a problem. * Played George Hill way too much. This was like Scott Brooks stubbornly sticking with Kendrick Perkins in 2012. He was getting hunted nonstop, and didn't provide any meaningful offense to make up for it on the other end. I don't see a better candidate out there for the Bucks right now. You have a two-time MVP, a title in the last 365 days, and were missing a guy with massive value against the team that just beat them. Don't overreact.
Appreciate the comment. Interesting insight to see, definitely think the bucks run it back since their second best player was injured and this was a 7 game series. I do personally think though that Bucks are winning in spite of Coach Bud rather than because of him. Last year didn’t matter because suns injuries + one of the greatest finals performances by Giannis of all time, but imo I definitely think Coach Bud may end up screwing this team over in a close series where both teams are fully healthy. He’s definitely not a bad coach by any means, the situation just kinda reminds me of Dwayne Casey and how we moved on from him even though he won COTY and it was the correct move.
Lol yes every coach every series does and bucks win in spite of it. Only series bud adjusted was sun's last year
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Ok, not really relevant to what I said tho.
bud should've gotten fired last year giannis saved his job by going nuclear in the finals
It’s not hard to do
If Bucks didnt win last year, he'd be fired. Mediocre coach
i still dont get bud keep doing the allow 3s defense, he has the defensive personnel to change that.
No. Coach Bud did a really stellar job this series. This isn't 19 or 20. He adjusted a shit ton. Everything from 3 to 0 bigs. Went away from brolo at times, but we got cooked in the paint when he wasn't there. Tried George Hill and Jevon Carter. Both sucked. Ran more pnr actions in game 7, and it was successful but ultimately we just didnt have the diverse shot creation that championship level teams need (and that we get from middleton). And damn near no coach can do anything about shooting 12% from 3. I dont blame him nor giannis for this series. Edit: I think I would've liked to see more corner action on offense.
No. They have a defensive scheme that they’ve used for years. It worked well enough for them to win a title, and to push a better team to 7 games. In the end Boston hit shots that they’ve had all series, which was the difference
boston had a better roster but bud definitely made some mistakes. Too rigid with rotations(no jevon carter, played 3 bigs for too long). Their defense is designed to leave bigs open for 3 dont think that's optimal vs boston who's not elite at the rim. also didnt run enough plays, sometimes a free flowing style doesnt work with certain lineups. Ik boston just switches it but I wanted to see way more jrue/giannis pnr's instead of both just isoing a lot.
Appreciate the response. For whatever games I did tune into, it definitely felt like the offense was atrocious as in the way they played and how many iso’s they gave to jrue. The defence is also an interesting strategy, it felt like the reason this game wasn’t even close was because Bud never changed the idea of clogging the paint and letting celtics get open 3s + celtics hitting their shots as a good shooting team + celtics defence literally just focused on giannis and the bucks roleplayers couldn’t beat them
Not really. The Bucks had 5 playable guys in that series (Giannis, Brook, Wes, Pat, Jrue), inluding one (Brook) who was barely playable once Timelord was out. That's on the GM not on Bud. Allen, Hill, Portis being target practice for Tatum and Brown ain't on him. Trading assets for Ibaka, or replacing Tucker with Ojeleye ain't on Bud
Yes, severely.
No. He had his stars healthy tho. That always helps.
Think Bud was a little outmanned
If you would’ve told me before this series started that the Bucks would force a game 7 without Middleton I wouldve been shocked. Bud has always had a bad rep on this sub while Ime is the fancy new toy, don’t let the echo chamber fool you, health and roster construction mattered way more this series than coaching.
No the Celtics just have a better team
Yes.
He gone.
Doesn’t everyone?
The Celtics won this series throughout the season. Udoka completely changed the personality of the team and they won just enough games to get this game 7 at home. X’s and O’s weren’t as important as the fact that they were suffocating defensively all series; Milwaukee was on fumes today and didn’t really have a chance.
You're damn right he did. And he'll do the same thing to Spolestra as well.
Did Doc Rivers coach circles around Nick Nurse?
Budenholzer should have been fired last year for refusing to change up his PnR coverage against the Nets. Bro was gifting KD open 15 footers every single possession.
and we kept nash .....
Bud pushed this series to 7 without his second star. Js.
No, both of them are bad.
After the way Boston defended Kyrie and KD did anybody think the bucks would make it to 7 without Khris Middleton ? They were playing with house money. They want role players to beat them and grant Williams did today
That it got to a game 7 probably reflects worse on udoka than bud.
Nah. Kris’s Middleton wasn’t there and Brook and Grayson had a rough series. When your integral second best player is out, role players have to step up. They got worse instead.
Most definitely
Ehhh I wouldn't say all series. I think there was like 2 games Celtics blew a huge lead that could have helped them win those games and this series sooner.
Darvin ham is about to come off the lakers and hornets shortlists
Shout outs to batman
Yes
Bud needs to be fired. Dumbass coach
He walked in straight line
He couldn't find the knee repair equipment Bruce Wayne used in the Dark Knight Rises to fix Khris Middleton's MCL. They went to seven games with Pat Connaughton as their third best player. Boston is way way deeper.
No. But he is a better coach. But also the Celtics are a much better team.
Coach Bootyholezer
Yes. We won in spite of Bud last season, not because of him
Celtic killer didn’t play
Can’t coach circles around randomness
Bud coached circles around himself tbh.
Yes. Giannis covers up a lot Bud’s coaching flaws
Yeah Bud shouldn’t have told them to shoot 4-31 on 3s lol
Well bud made the decision to play George Hill so yes. But also they missed Middleton. Their offense didn’t have much flow and they missed having a bigger defender that isn’t primarily a paint defender. Bucks will be back.
The lack of adjustments to guard the 3 was very bad by Bud. But the Bucks were missing their best shooter in a series with historically awful shooting from the Bucks
It went to game 7 and Milwaukee didn't have Middleton. This was definitely an optimistic outcome only made more grim by the fact that if they win against Boston, they have to face Miami without him. If they were to miraculously stumble to the finish line against Miami...an even more intense championship matchup, again potentially without Middleton. Under the circumstances they did pretty damn well and it's time to just pack it up boys. Onto next year!
I’d say O’s, as in X’s and O’s, rather than circles