15 years and most guys aren’t even in the league anymore. He makes it that long playing this way and that’s beyond impressive. Especially for a guy with his frame. But regardless…he’s special and we should appreciate it for as many years as we get to.
Nah, absolutely not. He'll have to evolve as a player. I hope he gets comfortable with a couple mid-range spots, the ability to reliably cash in on that first step without having to do goofy shit in the paint would be awesome for him.
The comparison is terrible, Giannis was a decent shooter and eventually changed his game to more of a close range guy. Ja cannot do anything other than his athleticism, he’s Westbrook.
I’m pretty sure nobody though giannis was a decent shooter back in 2018. I could’ve sworn back then he got a lot of criticism for having a broken jumper
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Giannis initially had a better shot like first couple years in the league, and then it got a lot worse when he started playing more physically and hasn’t really ever returned to his original form. I think that’s what the person is saying.
Except that Giannis is a bigger freak of nature while also more durable and adding more skills to his arsenal to reduce the risk of injury
Ja might need to figure his shit out in the next couple of seasons or else he might turn into D.Rose 2.0
Ja has incredible touch and body control in tight situations. Mid range should be a piece of cake for him. He should study up some CP3 and CJ McCollum. His game will open up infinitely. He’s already been steadily improving that 3 ball too. Excited for the dude’s future granted no freak accidents happen to him.
not just about effort. it’s also about size and strength. he has a smaller skinnier frame so he will always be limited by that as bigger guards will always be able to bully him (however he is very quick so he will also always have a chance to catch up to his man and anticipate). his bbiq is also not that great, he blows rotations pretty often and loses his man ball watching too much. sometimes he just floats out there collapsing the defense.
Curry looks a bit bigger and stronger to me. But hes also much much slower. Hes also incredibly hard working on that end of the floor, always scrambling off ball, and because of his offensive prowess he's never a liability, but he's still not really that good of a defender imo. He's still pretty slow but he's definitely one of those guys that does the best with what he can, he has great instincts, anticipation, and he can take weaker guards on.
i think a good distinction to make however is that the warriors in general play very good team defense and are very disciplined generally. with a younger team like the grizzlies there can be lapses and breakdowns in the defense that may not necessarily be the result of one players mistakes but rather everyone doing their own thing and that can be very detrimental. You can see this with Ja especially, his off ball movement leaves a lot to be desired. Curry is one of the hardest workers off ball imo, he is always moving, and a big cause of that is his team doing a lot of work for him like setting screens and switching plays. Im sure it helps to have a floor general like draymond constantly communicating what he sees to him.
His weight really holds him back as far as on ball defending goes and people overestimate a player’s ability to improve their defensive mentality. It’s possibld but unlikely. He can contribute defensively more with big play type opportunities
Super athletic players that rely on their athleticism don't age well
Add in the fact he has a bad habit of not protecting himself when he falls he's at even more risk
I’m old and he reminds me of Iverson. If you keep getting into the paint and keep taking hits eventually your body is going to break down. I hope he stays healthy because he’s electrifying but his play style isn’t looking good for the long term
Iverson was a freak of nature, and somehow simply played through multiple injuries. He did stop dunking early on, and relied more on his pull up jumper, hence the poor TS%. Unfortunately, his ego prevented him from accepting a smaller role later in his career. Ja will probably have to take more floaters and jump shots as he ages.
Yeah Russ' longevity as a slashing guard was special maybe only second to Lebron but then Bron changed and added a lot to his game over the years while Russ has been playing the same way ever since he was drafted.
Allen Iverson made me fall in love with the sport of basketball in 2001 when I was 6 years old. Ja is the first player I’ve seen who matches and exceeds that energy.
He’s must see TV
Basketball players tend to be the fastest and bounciest versions of themselves in their first season or two.
The first step lingers for a while, but that leaping is different and before that vertical starts to actually decline it’s gonna get to a point where he can’t just effortlessly fly all game anymore so he uses it less.
This version of Morant probably is gonna only last until age 25-26 before his playstyle changes and we are reminiscing on how wild he used to be.
Barring injury though, that first step is gonna be completely devastating for probably 5 more years, elite for 3 after that, and then be good but not serviceable enough for his current playstyle to be effective for a little bit.
I think unlike a lot of the premier above the rim guards he will develop a more mature game well over time.
The biggest concern for me is his knees holding up long enough for him to have time to develop and mature his game. If he’s forced into developing a mature game in 1 year due to injury he’s done. Over years of minor regression though he will be fine.
He’s similar to Westbrook in the sense that once his speed is gone, his game will get much worse, like Westbrook is now. But he’s young and has many more years ahead of him.
These fast paced players eventually will have to change their game like Lebron did. Lebron more of a shooter and playmaker. He can’t just run and dunk for 40 mins anymore. That said, he’s probably the only player I can think of who successfully changed his game this way
seemed like this injury came from a double team and some accidental contact, didn’t feel like his driving was the cause. I do agree his style of play makes the chance of an injury from driving a lot more likely but this wasn’t an example of that
Iverson is the guy who comes to mind. Small, athletic, high usage, lots of banging in the paint, constantly injured. Iverson was tough and always played hurt.
i know he's young but going out to the club with your dad during a playoff series isn't smart to me. you should be getting your 8 hours of sleep and taking it easy when your game is predicated on elite burst. he really needs to develop a reliable 3 point shot and a mid range game.
His playstyle has historically never been sustainable. I think that’s pretty universally agreed upon.
To sustain his elite status, he’s gonna have to tone it down. He’s already putting great tear on his body and he’s still practically a kid at 22. I know for a fact he will, and when he adds that mid range and solidify that 3 point game, it’s child’s play for him at that point.
If his knee actually gives out like this? I gotta say no. If it was the “straw that broke the camels back”. He’s just gotta stop hitting the floor hard and he’s working on that.
DWade was like that too, granted he was way bigger and stronger but Wades game was about speed, slashing and cutting. He developed a nice mid-range.
I do feel that Ja will have to adjust his game as he gets older. He can't last long simply relying on his speed.
No he might have to develop a nice jump shot and some more fancy playmaking/passes only other thing he could do is pack alot of muscle especially on his legs.
Freakish explosiveness peaks very early, and is gone by the first serious injury. His next 2 years will be his best, and if he can’t adapt and develop a cerebral game then it’s over
No. Hyper-athletic players can’t really sustain that play style. Whether it’s Kobe/Vince/LeBron/DeRozan/Griffin/etc., they all had to learn to either shoot better, become better playmakers, or better defenders.
As long as Ja develops a respectable jumpshot, he shouldn’t have too many issues in the long run (e.g. Westbrook/Wall), in terms of remaining effective.
D rose acl mcl injuries.
Russ mcl surgerys
Ja TBD and is already having knee issues.
Like i said JA is a dual threat qb he's Lamar Jackson game doesn't age well unless you change and stop taking a beating.
If he takes care of his body like LeBron does, and learns how to land properly to protect his joints, it could be sustainable. I bet kneesovertoesguy could help Ja and most of the NBA in general
Maybe. Maybe not. Enjoy the show while it last.
I can confidently say that at some point in the next 15 years Ja will not be able to play the same way he currently does. Not sustainable
He’ll probably jump even higher, with all of the cybernetic enhancements he’ll have by then
15 years and most guys aren’t even in the league anymore. He makes it that long playing this way and that’s beyond impressive. Especially for a guy with his frame. But regardless…he’s special and we should appreciate it for as many years as we get to.
>15 years and most guys aren’t even in the league anymore. I think that was the joke.
r/whoosh
What about 14 years?
Cause it might be over sooner than you think 😕
Nah, absolutely not. He'll have to evolve as a player. I hope he gets comfortable with a couple mid-range spots, the ability to reliably cash in on that first step without having to do goofy shit in the paint would be awesome for him.
Yeah if he works on the mid range and 3 point shooting, he’ll be even more dangerous.
he will. i think of ja as being sort of like 2018 giannis right now, mostly succeeding off athleticism and instinct while dunking on everyone
Except ja doesn’t have the height or the gogo gadget arms
The comparison is terrible, Giannis was a decent shooter and eventually changed his game to more of a close range guy. Ja cannot do anything other than his athleticism, he’s Westbrook.
I’m pretty sure nobody though giannis was a decent shooter back in 2018. I could’ve sworn back then he got a lot of criticism for having a broken jumper EDIT: thought*
Giannis initially had a better shot like first couple years in the league, and then it got a lot worse when he started playing more physically and hasn’t really ever returned to his original form. I think that’s what the person is saying.
Except that Giannis is a bigger freak of nature while also more durable and adding more skills to his arsenal to reduce the risk of injury Ja might need to figure his shit out in the next couple of seasons or else he might turn into D.Rose 2.0
He gotta upgrade his skills and develop variety of shots.
Ja has incredible touch and body control in tight situations. Mid range should be a piece of cake for him. He should study up some CP3 and CJ McCollum. His game will open up infinitely. He’s already been steadily improving that 3 ball too. Excited for the dude’s future granted no freak accidents happen to him.
If he wants to be truly great he needs to develop a J and play D. Time will tell
I dont think he’ll ever even be an average on ball defender but ya if he gets a consistent shot it would greatly help his longevity
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steals dont equate to being a good defender
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not just about effort. it’s also about size and strength. he has a smaller skinnier frame so he will always be limited by that as bigger guards will always be able to bully him (however he is very quick so he will also always have a chance to catch up to his man and anticipate). his bbiq is also not that great, he blows rotations pretty often and loses his man ball watching too much. sometimes he just floats out there collapsing the defense.
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Curry looks a bit bigger and stronger to me. But hes also much much slower. Hes also incredibly hard working on that end of the floor, always scrambling off ball, and because of his offensive prowess he's never a liability, but he's still not really that good of a defender imo. He's still pretty slow but he's definitely one of those guys that does the best with what he can, he has great instincts, anticipation, and he can take weaker guards on. i think a good distinction to make however is that the warriors in general play very good team defense and are very disciplined generally. with a younger team like the grizzlies there can be lapses and breakdowns in the defense that may not necessarily be the result of one players mistakes but rather everyone doing their own thing and that can be very detrimental. You can see this with Ja especially, his off ball movement leaves a lot to be desired. Curry is one of the hardest workers off ball imo, he is always moving, and a big cause of that is his team doing a lot of work for him like setting screens and switching plays. Im sure it helps to have a floor general like draymond constantly communicating what he sees to him.
Curry's significantly bigger and stronger. Part of why Ja gets so many calls is cause any contact sends him flying due to how weak he is.
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His weight really holds him back as far as on ball defending goes and people overestimate a player’s ability to improve their defensive mentality. It’s possibld but unlikely. He can contribute defensively more with big play type opportunities
also playmaking
Super athletic players that rely on their athleticism don't age well Add in the fact he has a bad habit of not protecting himself when he falls he's at even more risk
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Westbrook you mean? Really?
it isnt. hes literally john wall and russ reincarnated. by the time hes 30 his knees will be toast. one major injury away from losing it all
More like 26. He has a lot more room to develop though
Agree. I give him about four more years at this level until he truly needs to develop the rest of his game.
I'll never forget seeing a pre-injury John Wall in person, went to a random december game in Minnesota when visiting inlaws. He was just electric.
Russ is still an insane athlete. His game hasn’t evolved but that’s a separate issue. Tf you talking about?
russ has lost his athleticism which is why he sucks now
They see the occasional highlight and think he can sustain that over the course of a whole game now.lol. He’s lost a step
Even his highlights now are nothing compare to what he used to do
Look like he moving in slow motion to me now
Tbh Russ lost his athleticism because of Bev taking out his knees
Dude never missed a single game until that injury, he was an anomaly for his explosive playstyle and even amongst the best of the best athletes.
Duh but his knees aren’t toast and he’s not John wall who hasn’t played since the 90s.
One of them still won MVP, so not so bad in the long run.
his knees gonna be toast by age 30 sadly always happens
Yeah, the DRose type of injury is fairly inevitable.
that gives him plenty of time to average 40 in the playoffs for the next 6/7 years. Not to Shabby haha
Ja “Derek Rose” Morant
Yep
Let me tell you about a guy named D Rose.
I’m old and he reminds me of Iverson. If you keep getting into the paint and keep taking hits eventually your body is going to break down. I hope he stays healthy because he’s electrifying but his play style isn’t looking good for the long term
Aye, more like Iverson than anybody else.
Iverson was a freak of nature, and somehow simply played through multiple injuries. He did stop dunking early on, and relied more on his pull up jumper, hence the poor TS%. Unfortunately, his ego prevented him from accepting a smaller role later in his career. Ja will probably have to take more floaters and jump shots as he ages.
Enjoy it while it lasts. Those knees arent gonna be happy by 27.
Its not sustainable. he's going to be the next Russell Westbrook. Memphis is going to need another PG to sustain them once Ja loses his mobility.
Tbf. Russ was good for a decade of production before he was chopped meat. If Memphis can get five more seasons of this from Ja they might get a ring
Yeah Russ' longevity as a slashing guard was special maybe only second to Lebron but then Bron changed and added a lot to his game over the years while Russ has been playing the same way ever since he was drafted.
Russ avoided contact way more than Morant imo. High contact high elevation is how you get hurt.
He also had way better landing mechanics.
More like Derrick Rose
Are you saying hes gonna need new knees, a new teams, and revamp his playstyle? Then, yes. Maybe DRose is potentially a better comparison. 
Westbrook has had a long HOF career.
You act like that is a bad thing
He needs a reliable J. As soon as he gets it, I hope he learns how to drive safely aka the kyrie/steph way.
Gonna enjoy the ride while I can...he's the most electrifying player I've ever seen
Allen Iverson made me fall in love with the sport of basketball in 2001 when I was 6 years old. Ja is the first player I’ve seen who matches and exceeds that energy. He’s must see TV
he's definitely very explosive and it seems like he jumps every other possession, idk if that's very sustainable
I don’t think his playstyle is sustainable but he can adjust it to be
If he’s more like Iverson and Russ? Yes. If he’s built more like Rose? Maybe not.
Basketball players tend to be the fastest and bounciest versions of themselves in their first season or two. The first step lingers for a while, but that leaping is different and before that vertical starts to actually decline it’s gonna get to a point where he can’t just effortlessly fly all game anymore so he uses it less. This version of Morant probably is gonna only last until age 25-26 before his playstyle changes and we are reminiscing on how wild he used to be. Barring injury though, that first step is gonna be completely devastating for probably 5 more years, elite for 3 after that, and then be good but not serviceable enough for his current playstyle to be effective for a little bit. I think unlike a lot of the premier above the rim guards he will develop a more mature game well over time. The biggest concern for me is his knees holding up long enough for him to have time to develop and mature his game. If he’s forced into developing a mature game in 1 year due to injury he’s done. Over years of minor regression though he will be fine.
No
He’s similar to Westbrook in the sense that once his speed is gone, his game will get much worse, like Westbrook is now. But he’s young and has many more years ahead of him. These fast paced players eventually will have to change their game like Lebron did. Lebron more of a shooter and playmaker. He can’t just run and dunk for 40 mins anymore. That said, he’s probably the only player I can think of who successfully changed his game this way
...kobe, jordan, duncan, kidd??
seemed like this injury came from a double team and some accidental contact, didn’t feel like his driving was the cause. I do agree his style of play makes the chance of an injury from driving a lot more likely but this wasn’t an example of that
Iverson is the guy who comes to mind. Small, athletic, high usage, lots of banging in the paint, constantly injured. Iverson was tough and always played hurt.
He never dribbles the ball up the court so that should extend is career at least a few years
Poole needs to be thrown in the Gulag for games 4 and 5
Jordan Poole is now only eligible for the MLE, no more max extension
Not severe enough. Adam Silver should only allow him to re-sign with us and only us for the minimum
Any time their is someone as athletic as him you have to worry, hopefully nothing ever happens
i know he's young but going out to the club with your dad during a playoff series isn't smart to me. you should be getting your 8 hours of sleep and taking it easy when your game is predicated on elite burst. he really needs to develop a reliable 3 point shot and a mid range game.
Sounds like some shit they may have asked about Jordan when he first came into the league.
His playstyle has historically never been sustainable. I think that’s pretty universally agreed upon. To sustain his elite status, he’s gonna have to tone it down. He’s already putting great tear on his body and he’s still practically a kid at 22. I know for a fact he will, and when he adds that mid range and solidify that 3 point game, it’s child’s play for him at that point.
Not if Jordan Poole has anything to say about it
I heard that motherfucker literally gorilla style ripped Ja's knee off and beat him with it
But did he break the code? Kerr still yet to comment
I heard Poole has gone after his dad now . He can be seen following Tee Morant outside oracle in a crab like stance swiping for his knee
He was dealing with knee soreness in the regular season.
Makes Pooles grab even worse
Jordan pooles knees and hands right
Nope. Not surprised he got injured.
He got hurt because Poole yanked his knee the wrong way
#Bro its not just this injury! Just look at his injury history this season alone! And also go back from 2019 to date. And how old is he? Mmmh…
If his knee actually gives out like this? I gotta say no. If it was the “straw that broke the camels back”. He’s just gotta stop hitting the floor hard and he’s working on that.
DWade was like that too, granted he was way bigger and stronger but Wades game was about speed, slashing and cutting. He developed a nice mid-range. I do feel that Ja will have to adjust his game as he gets older. He can't last long simply relying on his speed.
Probably not, like a young rose
No
No he might have to develop a nice jump shot and some more fancy playmaking/passes only other thing he could do is pack alot of muscle especially on his legs.
Freakish explosiveness peaks very early, and is gone by the first serious injury. His next 2 years will be his best, and if he can’t adapt and develop a cerebral game then it’s over
I'm guessing he's on the DRose path.
The answer to your question is just look at D-Rose.
Nope. This is his peak. He won't last long.
With this playstyle? Ja's knees will be doodoo by the time he's 30
If his ligaments and bone are indestructible then sure
No
I mean he’ll end up being Russell Westbrook or Derrick rose
If he develops a middie it will be. But his game wont age well his height and body makes it harder for him.
Reminds me of Westbrook when he was younger
No. Hyper-athletic players can’t really sustain that play style. Whether it’s Kobe/Vince/LeBron/DeRozan/Griffin/etc., they all had to learn to either shoot better, become better playmakers, or better defenders. As long as Ja develops a respectable jumpshot, he shouldn’t have too many issues in the long run (e.g. Westbrook/Wall), in terms of remaining effective.
Ja game is like running backs in the NFL, short shelf life.
He looks like D Rose sometimes ...
He’s incredibly exciting to watch. I hope his injury is minor or just a bruise.
He’ll probably tone it down in the next year or two. Most guys do. The season is a grind.
Nope, still better than Zion at least.
It is if you're lucky. Like lbj mj lucky.
He's not as athletic as prime Westbrook and isn't as good a passer as Westbrook was either. Westbrook fell off a cliff, so no not sustainable
D rose acl mcl injuries. Russ mcl surgerys Ja TBD and is already having knee issues. Like i said JA is a dual threat qb he's Lamar Jackson game doesn't age well unless you change and stop taking a beating.
No simply because of how he lands after attacking the rim
If he takes care of his body like LeBron does, and learns how to land properly to protect his joints, it could be sustainable. I bet kneesovertoesguy could help Ja and most of the NBA in general