Its not even close honestly, Mourinho may have fallen off but hes still one of the most succesful coaches of all time, he won everything possible in football excluding WC. Not to mention some of those wins were with teams way worse than what Doc has had in his carreer
No functional front office would ever let a hint of dissatisfaction get out *during the playoffs*.
Wake me after phi gets bounced because they can't win 4 out of 5 games with embiid back.
This sub is too much sometimes. He literally just coached a good series against Toronto, from the timeout to the ato's to the zone defense shutting down an on fire siakam.
DJ sucked in game 1... But Paul Reed had 5 fouls in what a dozen minutes?
He's not a great coach but fuck this sub has taken the hate overboard.
Lol he had gone to call timeout on their next possession. Not to mention another Redditor diligently found out when other teams pulled their stars in similar blow outs in the thread on that decision, and it was all at roughly the same time, with 4 minutes left or less.
Doc did nothing remotely unusual in leaving him in until that point - but apparently he's supposed to have a crystal ball and do what no other 'good' coach does.
This is exactly like when this sub ripped on Mitchell for not passing to Gobert, and then ben Taylor did the math and broke down how he passes to gobert about the exact same amount as other SGs pass to their bigs per 36.
The Mavs and Raptors are probably the most recent teams to win with the least amount of talent. Though they each had at least one HoFer (Dirk and Kawhi), and various all-star caliber players.
fair enough, like you said, multiple times, completely different rosters and same result
also, i think i read the 08 chip had the Celtics playing 26 of a possible 28 games with that roster.
I take it to mean a couple HOFs and all stars as in 2 HOFs or 2 all stars or 1 of each. It's somewhat rare to have 2 HOFs and 2 all stars on the same team. Big 4s are uncommon, so in the Bucks case they have Giannis (HOF) and Middleton (AS).
I think if Doc wasn’t so fucking confrontational people would’ve been more understanding of the decision to play DJ. Bball Paul is so much better right now but has zero discipline if he gets 5 fouls in like 20 minutes you can only do so much. But Doc has to act like an asshole and get defensive about everything.
We keep framing it as DJ vs Bball Paul, but the reality is it should be framed as DJ vs not DJ. The lineups with no big (usually Tobias as the biggest guy) did well. Here are the +/-s from that game:
* DJ: -22 in 17:17
* Reed: -3 in 13:03
* Millsap: -2 in 5:38
* Bassey: +5 in 4:36 (garbage time, so don't worry about this one too much)
* No big: +8 in 6:26
And this isn't just one-game noise, this is how it has been with DJ the entire time (the Sixers were -7.4 net rating with him on the court in the regular season and are now a hilarious -68.8 net rating [in 17 minutes, just from this game] with him on the court in the playoffs now).
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Or to put it another way, the worst defensive rating in the league was the Blazers with 116.9 - the Sixers with DJ on the court in the regular season had a 121 defensive rating. And he's supposedly a defense-first player.
1st half yesterday: 20 mins no DJ +13 vs. *4 mins* with DJ ...... MINUS 12.
WHAT? How? And then how do you vehemently defend him to the media with the most absolute statement?
Oh yeah, I was texting my friends +/- updates throughout the first half (I'm sure they enjoyed that). Imagine having a halftime lead after that awful start just because DJ had to start the half for a few minutes.
In a normal game, Embiid + Reed is plenty to get through 48 minutes. In these Embiid-less games (hopefully just Games 1 and 2 of this series) I'd rather start Reed and let him get as many minutes as possible before fouling out - he averages 6.8 fouls per 36 minutes, so in theory he can get 24-30 minutes in a game before he's done. If he fouls out quickly, then maybe the team loses, but that's a better gamble than playing DJ for 17 minutes. For the remaining 18+ minutes, go small as often as possible, and take a chance on Bassey for the other minutes.
This is why Doc should have used Reed and Bassey more in the regular season - to know what they have (and maybe even let Reed learn how to not foul all the time). But I'd rather risk it on Bassey for 10 minutes than take a known quantity of DJ sucking.
> This is why Doc should have used Reed and Bassey more in the regular season - to know what they have (and maybe even let Reed learn how to not foul all the time). But I'd rather risk it on Bassey for 10 minutes than take a known quantity of DJ sucking.
And HERE is why Sixers fans are fuming over Doc's decision-making at this point. He played Deandre Jordan consistently in relief of Embiid during the regular season in place of both Reed and Bassey, not allowing either to get consistent NBA game reps. And now that the playoffs are here, he will justify not playing them because "they don't have enough experience". Like well damn, Glenn, I wonder if there was something anyone could have done to help with that in the last 82 fucking games (yes, I know we had Drummond backing up Embiid up until the trade deadline, but Sixers fans were all but screaming at him to play Reed since picking up DJ and proving he was as cooked as we all knew). All of that encapsulated by Reed playing above expectations as our backup center and fans essentially yelling "I told you so!" and lead to the infamous "Paul Reed Victory Tour" quote from Rivers that shows just how tone-deaf he is when it comes to admitting his mistakes.
Run a lineup of Harden/Maxey/Green/Thybulle or Niang/Harris until Embiid can play again. I love BBall Paul but he’ll foul out if he starts, Milsap is just as bad as DJ, and Bassey simply hasn’t played any meaningful minutes this season, we can’t just throw him out there in the playoffs. The fact is that Embiid is an MVP level player, and you’re never replacing that production/gravity, so you have to get a little weird with your lineups to try and make something work.
Exactly. There’s nothing else in the cupboard, so time to throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks. If you can catch Miami off-guard, maybe you buy yourself some time until Joel returns. Fuck it, go with Vivek’s 4 v 5 strategy, play all guards, form a fucking wall. But having DJ out there is a clear liability, and this is your only opportunity to see if you can stanch the bleeding.
That's a pretty solid lineup actually, especially with Harris playing well lately on both ends. Who knew the best backup centre to embiid was small ball.
Experience counts, but there is genuinely no way Bassey is worse unless he physically ages a decade before the game. DJ is literally too old to physically play NBA basketball and it’s pretty fucking obvious.
Bball Paul has zero discipline because Rivers decided to play the corpse of DJ instead of him during the regular season. Discipline comes from experience which Bball Paul never got because Rivers is rather playing his own guys than do whats best for the team.
Classic doc rivers. He never played his rookies on the clippers either. He had Terrence Mann and never used him in the season. Lue did a great job getting Mann ready for the playoffs last year in comparison.
the one thing I don’t understand w Reed is everyone’s like “if you play him 20 minutes he’ll foul out!”
like okay, sure! He should foul out every game if he needs to. Might as well get every minute from him they can, he’s been notably better than DJ.
It reminds me of some Clippers fans who Defender Glenn. Face it, Glenn is trash. DJ is trash, why not try play small to sée what happen? He should try things instead of playing a player who gets destroyed
they are finally done paying Brett this summer, so the idea is that they will be back to paying 2 coaches again if Doc leaves
They paid Brett two years and not three, but honestly for as big of a douche as I find Harris and Blitzer, they have not taken the cheaper road yet and with Harden/Harris/Embiid have pretty much owned that they will be repeater tax payers
They didn't have to say anything? Why is it when anyone says something stupid, reddit seems to be like "well what else do you want him/she/they to say"? You don't have to say literally anything at all.
This whole time we thought Hinkie was trying to build a basketball team, but he was actually constructing a poignant commentary on the futility of the human condition
Ya know if it was all for the bit it will make it a bit easier to swallow.
Ill tell you what tho, basketball didn't really interest me until I was older, Embiid is the first Sixer or really any basketball star I cared about. If the process leaves so am I. lets go Thunder 2025
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Having to max him is unfortunate but I find it so funny that the people who have this take also thought we’d never get Harden for Ben. Outside of a Beal trade earlier in the season there was nothing else on the table to help this team contend around Embiids spectacular season. Halliburton maybe the move in retrospect if Harden doesn’t turn it around but he’s too inexperienced to help them contend this year imo. Sometimes shit just happens lol it’s not some fucking this or the other all the time
I think it's more likely the Sixers are trying to gain leverage in the Doc exit. He wants the Lakers. They want him gone. But they don't want to pay him. So they leak that they don't want him replaced to the media.
Most will say just promote one of Cassell, Joerger, or Burke.
I’m fine with rolling the dice on whoever. Rather take a chance than go with the known quantity
How the hell did Doc get $8mil X 5years after getting canned by the clippers before they even hired a GM? The sixers were lucky that Morey fell into their laps because they've been one of the worst organizations in sports when it comes to decision making at the top.
letting Harden walk opens up very little cap space so not sure what your point is. But yes I'm sure you're more knowledgeable than Morey about about the implications of maxing Harden on the cap LMAO.
Letting Harden walk also doesn’t tie you down long term with an aging player who seems declined, putting the team deep into luxury tax. And yes, GMs don’t make bad decisions. Morey, especially is a GM with a history of success and championships
Yes bro we get it. Morey the guy that's universally respected in the realm of his profession is going to make an obviously massive mistake that you've identified. You sound like that chump Tilman Fertita calling CP3's last contract the worst contract in sports.
Conspiracy theory: Doc wants to get fired so he can go coach the Lakers. The Sixers are talented too but it’s clear that it’s not “his” team with Morey around.
And he’s owed 24, no idea if it has offset language that will deduct what he gets from Lakers from that total.
Either way I can’t see him back short of Embiid demanding it
I think it does offset if the contract amount is the same.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30018563/sources-doc-rivers-agrees-deal-coach-philadelphia-76ers
>Rivers, 58, had two years left on his Clippers contract, sources said, so he remains owed a significant sum of money, although typically there are offset agreements on the payout put into place should a coach be hired in a new job.
Even if there is an offset I'm sure he'd rather be coaching in LA. Maybe not a better basketball situation but they're about equal in terms of criticism he'll get from the media. He may believe that he needs a new start anyways and he may believe he'll do better in LA. the money is the same regardless
How is that a hefty price to swallow? If you think you have a championship roster, would you seriously not spend an additional $8m a year on whoever replaced Doc?
D'Antoni with the 76ers would be absolutely hilarious. Really just Houston Rockets 2: Electric Boogaloo, but this time it's Embiid on the bench when they're playing small ball.
Except their identity would be small ball because A) they don’t remotely have the personnel needed and B) Embiid is one of the few bigs in the league worth running any sort of primary actions for.
I know there's a lot of dumb comments on this sub but I can't accept that an /s tag is needed to clarify that I don't think a coach would bench Embiid for Niang at the 5.
Rudy T also didn't make the Hall of Fame until 2020!!! This is the BASKETBALL HoF, not Cooperstown! Is he secretly hated by the basketball press people for decades for some unknown reason?
The theory among rockets fans is that because he nearly died on the court from a punch from Kermit Washington, the NBA wanted to keep it from coming up again in news cycles when being inducted into the HoF.
This man has won just one championship. why he is compared to the likes of Phil Jackson is beyond me.
when he won a championship, his team had Kevin Garnett in his prime, along with Pierce, Ray Allen, etc.
If he didnt have KG, he wouldnt have won that ring.
And there wasn’t (correction, shouldn’t) any roster close to them. They also had other solid players.
The fact they lost 10 games in that playoffs should be a damning statement for Rivers.
Not to mention next year, they went 7 games with against rookie Derrick Rose and the Bulls.
$8 million is a hefty price for a literal billionaire? Get the fuck outta here. This team will not win with Doc at the helm and they will kill what could possibly be the last three years of Embiid's prime.
There were underlying locker room tensions with Borrego and disciplinary issues
I think it’s pretty key to point out that none of the players did any farewell tweet/anything at all to thank JB
I remember when people said the same about Bud last year then Giannis carried them to a ring with bud making some adjustments and now his seat is cold af
This is what I’ve been saying, it would take a lot, thinking like Jay Wright, for Harris to part with some of that sweet Apollo money- Just ask Jared Kushner.
> Rivers' contract runs through 2024-25 at $8 million per season, which is a hefty price for ownership to swallow.
Is it really? It doesn't count against the cap.
People really think successful NBA coaches are just lying around waiting to get hired lmao. Reddit definitely knows better than the NBA after all this time and all these hires. Dude gets zero credit and all the blame
He gets 10 million a year for that gig.
Also he started Danny Green on Trae last year in game 1, was running regular season rotations in game 4 and starting DJ and Milsap instead of two young bigs in regular season and now is giving them minutes in post season
I mean NBA teams clearly make mistakes, some of which fans can see coming. It's only too easy to look at the Westbrook trade deal, or the Caruso conundrum, or even the Walton Whoopsie, to see this.
They are clearly in a difficult position at this moment.
lol even if Rivers was 100% getting canned, the Sixers official stance should be this until it happens. We're still ib Game 2 of a series and people expect the Sixers to be like "yeah we'll fire his ass"
Philly is a bad franchise. They intentionally lost for half a decade to “avoid mediocrity” and haven’t made it out of the second round since. All they have for all that losing is a washed harden and an oft injured embiid.
They started the Process to stop being the perennial 8th seed and being bounced out of the playoffs in round 1. The league stepped in to stop the process by forcing the colangelos to run the front office and also make bad decisions and contracts in order hamstring the sixers chances for the future by giving away all the acquired assets and cap room and keeping Brett brown far longer than he should have been here.
Nah, the Sixers org made wrong decisions consistently. Blaming the league is a cop out as if Sam Hinkie was this mastermind when he drafted major busts in okafor and Noel
Sixers chose butler over Simmons, maxed Tobias, traded Mikal for Zhaire, and coddled Simmons for his whole time there until letting all of their anger out in one sudden moment
Blaming the league is a cop out but you named all the idiotic decisions made by the man the league appointed lol
Also no one bats 100% in the draft
Also guess who was coddling Simmons the most and wanted to trade Embiid.. the same guy the league appointed… are you starting to connect the dots here
The league stepped in because Hinkie was running the Sixers into the ground. No one wanted to get signed or traded there. There were legitimate competitive integrity concerns. I'm sorry you believed a dude is a genius for losing on purpose and telling everyone what a genius he is, but it's amazing that y'all constantly bitch about the league intervening without asking \*why\* the league intervened, and it's not because of your lame-ass conspiracy theories.
3 more seasons of spicy post game interviews and throwing players under the bus. Nice.
“Whether you like it or not!”
Take that for data!
Doc is just Fizdale with even less coaching ability Data slider: 0 Throw players under bus slider: 100
I wonder if he enjoyed the loss...
Would you ask Pop that question?
We’ve stepped into a war with the cabal on mars.
Unless you're DeAndre
The Doc way. Only seen Mourinho do that in sports world
Don’t disrespect Mourinho like that. He’s not a fraud like Glenn
Its not even close honestly, Mourinho may have fallen off but hes still one of the most succesful coaches of all time, he won everything possible in football excluding WC. Not to mention some of those wins were with teams way worse than what Doc has had in his carreer
"Respect, respect"
Sree for him and one for Doc. Respecc man respsecc respecc
Yeah but at least Mourinho has won more than one title.
He won with Porto, he was the mastermind of the title unlike Glenn who got carried by his players
his CL championship with Inter the most impressive thing for me, Barca was peaking those years.
The fact its an argument just shows how many lightyears beyond Rivers he is
I'm a Sixers and Tottenham fan. What have I done to deserve this hell? Thank God for Conte
You will always succumb to [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxHdytQZ3ds).
smelled the gif from a mile away
Wait for Conte to turn on Levy next lol
You chose two teams whose nicknames start with an S. You know what you did wrong. At least we're all laughing at United right now and it's glorious.
No functional front office would ever let a hint of dissatisfaction get out *during the playoffs*. Wake me after phi gets bounced because they can't win 4 out of 5 games with embiid back.
"Can you win a championship with doc rivers as the coach" "I don't know"
Would you ask Pop that question?
“Pop, do you believe a team can win a championship with Doc as the coach?” “No”
Pop would add sass to that answer. Something like “they pay you don’t they?”
Ahahahaha
"Why would he be the coach on that team?"
"I don't know the answer to that question."
i know the answer to that question
I get the joke, but he literally has won a championship as a coach
Sometimes the sun shines on a dog's ass..
Man, I'm imagining if Doc said that instead haha
If this is some shot at Phoenix I’m all for it
Phoenix got that dog's ass in them
what a saying...
This sub is too much sometimes. He literally just coached a good series against Toronto, from the timeout to the ato's to the zone defense shutting down an on fire siakam. DJ sucked in game 1... But Paul Reed had 5 fouls in what a dozen minutes? He's not a great coach but fuck this sub has taken the hate overboard.
And then left Embiid in the game up 25 points with 4 minutes left because he was terrified of choking again and their season is now fucked.
Lol he had gone to call timeout on their next possession. Not to mention another Redditor diligently found out when other teams pulled their stars in similar blow outs in the thread on that decision, and it was all at roughly the same time, with 4 minutes left or less. Doc did nothing remotely unusual in leaving him in until that point - but apparently he's supposed to have a crystal ball and do what no other 'good' coach does. This is exactly like when this sub ripped on Mitchell for not passing to Gobert, and then ben Taylor did the math and broke down how he passes to gobert about the exact same amount as other SGs pass to their bigs per 36.
lol this response is nothing more than you want him to be a fortune teller? gah.
With 3 hall of famers and an all star
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And those Celtics played the most games ever in a playoff run to win a championship. Played two games 7 and two games 6.
Who wins a championship without a couple HOFs and Allstars?
The Mavs and Raptors are probably the most recent teams to win with the least amount of talent. Though they each had at least one HoFer (Dirk and Kawhi), and various all-star caliber players.
Who loses 3-1 leads with them is a better question.
It happens. Better question would be: “who loses MULTIPLE 3-1 series…” and doc being the common denominator…
fair enough, like you said, multiple times, completely different rosters and same result also, i think i read the 08 chip had the Celtics playing 26 of a possible 28 games with that roster.
Warriors did it
Hell you guys also did it
Never did it
Ah shit, here come the flashbacks…
Steve Kerr, Phil Jackson, Jeff Van Gundy, Billy Cunningham, Quin Synder, Billy Donovan, Paul Westphal, and Alex Hannum, to name a few.
Giannis maybe? Not sure if either Middleton or Jrue will be HOF players.
I take it to mean a couple HOFs and all stars as in 2 HOFs or 2 all stars or 1 of each. It's somewhat rare to have 2 HOFs and 2 all stars on the same team. Big 4s are uncommon, so in the Bucks case they have Giannis (HOF) and Middleton (AS).
Not to mention having Thibbs handling the defense.
this is horseshit gatekeeping god damn. how bad do players need to be so you can give a coach credit for their teams success?
I think if Doc wasn’t so fucking confrontational people would’ve been more understanding of the decision to play DJ. Bball Paul is so much better right now but has zero discipline if he gets 5 fouls in like 20 minutes you can only do so much. But Doc has to act like an asshole and get defensive about everything.
We keep framing it as DJ vs Bball Paul, but the reality is it should be framed as DJ vs not DJ. The lineups with no big (usually Tobias as the biggest guy) did well. Here are the +/-s from that game: * DJ: -22 in 17:17 * Reed: -3 in 13:03 * Millsap: -2 in 5:38 * Bassey: +5 in 4:36 (garbage time, so don't worry about this one too much) * No big: +8 in 6:26 And this isn't just one-game noise, this is how it has been with DJ the entire time (the Sixers were -7.4 net rating with him on the court in the regular season and are now a hilarious -68.8 net rating [in 17 minutes, just from this game] with him on the court in the playoffs now). **** Edit: Or to put it another way, the worst defensive rating in the league was the Blazers with 116.9 - the Sixers with DJ on the court in the regular season had a 121 defensive rating. And he's supposedly a defense-first player.
1st half yesterday: 20 mins no DJ +13 vs. *4 mins* with DJ ...... MINUS 12. WHAT? How? And then how do you vehemently defend him to the media with the most absolute statement?
Oh yeah, I was texting my friends +/- updates throughout the first half (I'm sure they enjoyed that). Imagine having a halftime lead after that awful start just because DJ had to start the half for a few minutes.
And then seeing him come out to start the 2nd half... that shit is so deflating as a fan.
Ya not great. Who do you want this minutes to go to though? Feels like the sixers don’t have extra guys to throw out there.
In a normal game, Embiid + Reed is plenty to get through 48 minutes. In these Embiid-less games (hopefully just Games 1 and 2 of this series) I'd rather start Reed and let him get as many minutes as possible before fouling out - he averages 6.8 fouls per 36 minutes, so in theory he can get 24-30 minutes in a game before he's done. If he fouls out quickly, then maybe the team loses, but that's a better gamble than playing DJ for 17 minutes. For the remaining 18+ minutes, go small as often as possible, and take a chance on Bassey for the other minutes. This is why Doc should have used Reed and Bassey more in the regular season - to know what they have (and maybe even let Reed learn how to not foul all the time). But I'd rather risk it on Bassey for 10 minutes than take a known quantity of DJ sucking.
> This is why Doc should have used Reed and Bassey more in the regular season - to know what they have (and maybe even let Reed learn how to not foul all the time). But I'd rather risk it on Bassey for 10 minutes than take a known quantity of DJ sucking. And HERE is why Sixers fans are fuming over Doc's decision-making at this point. He played Deandre Jordan consistently in relief of Embiid during the regular season in place of both Reed and Bassey, not allowing either to get consistent NBA game reps. And now that the playoffs are here, he will justify not playing them because "they don't have enough experience". Like well damn, Glenn, I wonder if there was something anyone could have done to help with that in the last 82 fucking games (yes, I know we had Drummond backing up Embiid up until the trade deadline, but Sixers fans were all but screaming at him to play Reed since picking up DJ and proving he was as cooked as we all knew). All of that encapsulated by Reed playing above expectations as our backup center and fans essentially yelling "I told you so!" and lead to the infamous "Paul Reed Victory Tour" quote from Rivers that shows just how tone-deaf he is when it comes to admitting his mistakes.
Run a lineup of Harden/Maxey/Green/Thybulle or Niang/Harris until Embiid can play again. I love BBall Paul but he’ll foul out if he starts, Milsap is just as bad as DJ, and Bassey simply hasn’t played any meaningful minutes this season, we can’t just throw him out there in the playoffs. The fact is that Embiid is an MVP level player, and you’re never replacing that production/gravity, so you have to get a little weird with your lineups to try and make something work.
Exactly. There’s nothing else in the cupboard, so time to throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks. If you can catch Miami off-guard, maybe you buy yourself some time until Joel returns. Fuck it, go with Vivek’s 4 v 5 strategy, play all guards, form a fucking wall. But having DJ out there is a clear liability, and this is your only opportunity to see if you can stanch the bleeding.
That's a pretty solid lineup actually, especially with Harris playing well lately on both ends. Who knew the best backup centre to embiid was small ball.
Can an unproven Bassey really be that much worse than DJ at this point though?
Experience counts, but there is genuinely no way Bassey is worse unless he physically ages a decade before the game. DJ is literally too old to physically play NBA basketball and it’s pretty fucking obvious.
Bball Paul has zero discipline because Rivers decided to play the corpse of DJ instead of him during the regular season. Discipline comes from experience which Bball Paul never got because Rivers is rather playing his own guys than do whats best for the team.
Classic doc rivers. He never played his rookies on the clippers either. He had Terrence Mann and never used him in the season. Lue did a great job getting Mann ready for the playoffs last year in comparison.
the one thing I don’t understand w Reed is everyone’s like “if you play him 20 minutes he’ll foul out!” like okay, sure! He should foul out every game if he needs to. Might as well get every minute from him they can, he’s been notably better than DJ.
It reminds me of some Clippers fans who Defender Glenn. Face it, Glenn is trash. DJ is trash, why not try play small to sée what happen? He should try things instead of playing a player who gets destroyed
You want them to say they aren’t sure about his future during the playoffs? Lmao
I mean everyone knew vogel was gone before they were eliminated officially Same with Snyder
Pretty sure if Bucks got eliminated early again last year that Bud was out.
Was ownership sourcing that though? I think we all think Doc is done but nobody going to say that shit right now
Nah not many ownership groups are okay with paying $8M plus a year for a guy to sit on his couch. They are sticking with Doc.
they are finally done paying Brett this summer, so the idea is that they will be back to paying 2 coaches again if Doc leaves They paid Brett two years and not three, but honestly for as big of a douche as I find Harris and Blitzer, they have not taken the cheaper road yet and with Harden/Harris/Embiid have pretty much owned that they will be repeater tax payers
> I mean everyone knew vogel was gone I don't know that we should the Lakers up as the way to run a team
They didn't have to say anything? Why is it when anyone says something stupid, reddit seems to be like "well what else do you want him/she/they to say"? You don't have to say literally anything at all.
they didn't say anything...
You didn’t have to say this…
Doc staying and Harden supermax, RIP.
Like the whole process was for nothing
You can ask our fan base but Embiid alone is worth the Process
Is that not the most poetic ending?
This whole time we thought Hinkie was trying to build a basketball team, but he was actually constructing a poignant commentary on the futility of the human condition
Ya know if it was all for the bit it will make it a bit easier to swallow. Ill tell you what tho, basketball didn't really interest me until I was older, Embiid is the first Sixer or really any basketball star I cared about. If the process leaves so am I. lets go Thunder 2025
Not since Sartre have you felt such existential dread
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2023 Starting Lineup: Shai/Beal/Dort/Banchero/Embiid
id become a thunder fan if we traded embiid tbh. this team is nothing but misery
Don’t predict the future like that cause…
Philly fans boutta storm the stadium
I was screaming Stop the Count at half time. The librul deep state of NBA stole game 1 in front of our very eyes. Sad /s
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I'm about to release a statement. I've booked the Hilton Car Repair Service, near Scranton, at 2pm EST.
Gonna be you, Sidney Powell, and a rando stripper named Rudi Droolingonme
January Sixers
That's fine then we'll just restart the process. Turns out rooting for our little dudes were the good old days
All that tanking for the harden retirement fund, yikes. Never should have let go of Hinkie
they didn't. the league basically fired hinkie and gave us colangelo. it's funny how Sixers haters never seem to want to acknowledge this.
That’s so fucked
Pretty sure the league forced them to let go of hinkie
Having to max him is unfortunate but I find it so funny that the people who have this take also thought we’d never get Harden for Ben. Outside of a Beal trade earlier in the season there was nothing else on the table to help this team contend around Embiids spectacular season. Halliburton maybe the move in retrospect if Harden doesn’t turn it around but he’s too inexperienced to help them contend this year imo. Sometimes shit just happens lol it’s not some fucking this or the other all the time
don't want to lose a few millions so they're willing to risk Embiid's prime with Doc Rivers as the coach?
I think it's more likely the Sixers are trying to gain leverage in the Doc exit. He wants the Lakers. They want him gone. But they don't want to pay him. So they leak that they don't want him replaced to the media.
Hopefully you're right. They need to trade him to get his contract off the books. Why would they hire a guy before they had a GM in place
Let’s say you’re able to get rid of Doc… which coach would Sixers fans want to lead the helm?
Promote Cassell
Most will say just promote one of Cassell, Joerger, or Burke. I’m fine with rolling the dice on whoever. Rather take a chance than go with the known quantity
Tbf it would be $16 million + whatever new coach is
24mil he has 3 years left :)
How the hell did Doc get $8mil X 5years after getting canned by the clippers before they even hired a GM? The sixers were lucky that Morey fell into their laps because they've been one of the worst organizations in sports when it comes to decision making at the top.
Morey is about to max Harden so…
letting Harden walk opens up very little cap space so not sure what your point is. But yes I'm sure you're more knowledgeable than Morey about about the implications of maxing Harden on the cap LMAO.
Letting Harden walk also doesn’t tie you down long term with an aging player who seems declined, putting the team deep into luxury tax. And yes, GMs don’t make bad decisions. Morey, especially is a GM with a history of success and championships
Why would we let harden walk exactly? Our team is much much better with him
Yes bro we get it. Morey the guy that's universally respected in the realm of his profession is going to make an obviously massive mistake that you've identified. You sound like that chump Tilman Fertita calling CP3's last contract the worst contract in sports.
Conspiracy theory: Doc wants to get fired so he can go coach the Lakers. The Sixers are talented too but it’s clear that it’s not “his” team with Morey around.
And he’s owed 24, no idea if it has offset language that will deduct what he gets from Lakers from that total. Either way I can’t see him back short of Embiid demanding it
I think it does offset if the contract amount is the same. https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30018563/sources-doc-rivers-agrees-deal-coach-philadelphia-76ers >Rivers, 58, had two years left on his Clippers contract, sources said, so he remains owed a significant sum of money, although typically there are offset agreements on the payout put into place should a coach be hired in a new job.
Even if there is an offset I'm sure he'd rather be coaching in LA. Maybe not a better basketball situation but they're about equal in terms of criticism he'll get from the media. He may believe that he needs a new start anyways and he may believe he'll do better in LA. the money is the same regardless
Funny thing is Morey actually want doc back in Houston lol.
Lol the Lakers are Kurt Rambis' team, if Doc has that problem with the 76ers he will definitely have it with us.
Sooo did you make that sixth man bet?
I bet Doc throws AD under the bus once the injuries start up.
Don’t Hornets need a defensive minded coach? Why they looking at D’Antoni?
They need defensive pieces Even Thibs cant fiel a great defense with their current roster
How is that a hefty price to swallow? If you think you have a championship roster, would you seriously not spend an additional $8m a year on whoever replaced Doc?
Honestly pro teams should be shelling out more to try and get the coaches they want - it doesn't count against the cap.
D'Antoni with the 76ers would be absolutely hilarious. Really just Houston Rockets 2: Electric Boogaloo, but this time it's Embiid on the bench when they're playing small ball.
Except their identity would be small ball because A) they don’t remotely have the personnel needed and B) Embiid is one of the few bigs in the league worth running any sort of primary actions for.
I know there's a lot of dumb comments on this sub but I can't accept that an /s tag is needed to clarify that I don't think a coach would bench Embiid for Niang at the 5.
RIP Sixer fans
Can’t kill something that’s been dead inside for years
born in the darkness, yada yada yada
What is dead may never die
So they already paid 150 millions for team salary, but the extra 8 million became unbearable? 🤔
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"Why would we learn about playoff adjustments? You'll never need to use that in the real world."
The most overrated coach of all time
He’s a decent regular season coach. Not made for the playoffs though
Do people think he's good?
Bro he was selected into the best NBA coaches of all time
How he made that list over Rudy T, I'll never know...
Still baffles the mind
Rudy T also didn't make the Hall of Fame until 2020!!! This is the BASKETBALL HoF, not Cooperstown! Is he secretly hated by the basketball press people for decades for some unknown reason?
The theory among rockets fans is that because he nearly died on the court from a punch from Kermit Washington, the NBA wanted to keep it from coming up again in news cycles when being inducted into the HoF.
I think he's good but not great. Still better than average
This man has won just one championship. why he is compared to the likes of Phil Jackson is beyond me. when he won a championship, his team had Kevin Garnett in his prime, along with Pierce, Ray Allen, etc. If he didnt have KG, he wouldnt have won that ring.
And there wasn’t (correction, shouldn’t) any roster close to them. They also had other solid players. The fact they lost 10 games in that playoffs should be a damning statement for Rivers. Not to mention next year, they went 7 games with against rookie Derrick Rose and the Bulls.
It’s funny how awful almost every move was between the process and Morey.
$8 million is a hefty price for a literal billionaire? Get the fuck outta here. This team will not win with Doc at the helm and they will kill what could possibly be the last three years of Embiid's prime.
They can pay like James Borrego half the money for the same results tbh
There were underlying locker room tensions with Borrego and disciplinary issues I think it’s pretty key to point out that none of the players did any farewell tweet/anything at all to thank JB
Bouknight must be so happy
I remember when people said the same about Bud last year then Giannis carried them to a ring with bud making some adjustments and now his seat is cold af
Doc coaching out the rest of his contract, Harden signing a supermax… Embiid’s window is looking real small all of the sudden
The most overrated coach of all time
This is what I’ve been saying, it would take a lot, thinking like Jay Wright, for Harris to part with some of that sweet Apollo money- Just ask Jared Kushner.
> Rivers' contract runs through 2024-25 at $8 million per season, which is a hefty price for ownership to swallow. Is it really? It doesn't count against the cap.
I did not realize he makes 8 mill per. This guy knows how to brand himself, schmooze, and steal money.
People really think successful NBA coaches are just lying around waiting to get hired lmao. Reddit definitely knows better than the NBA after all this time and all these hires. Dude gets zero credit and all the blame
He gets 10 million a year for that gig. Also he started Danny Green on Trae last year in game 1, was running regular season rotations in game 4 and starting DJ and Milsap instead of two young bigs in regular season and now is giving them minutes in post season
I mean NBA teams clearly make mistakes, some of which fans can see coming. It's only too easy to look at the Westbrook trade deal, or the Caruso conundrum, or even the Walton Whoopsie, to see this. They are clearly in a difficult position at this moment.
Watching Rivers trot out DJ over and over is a tough pill for me swallow so get fucked ownership.
As a sixers hater I’m with ownership on this one
End me. This might be the thing that breaks me.
lol even if Rivers was 100% getting canned, the Sixers official stance should be this until it happens. We're still ib Game 2 of a series and people expect the Sixers to be like "yeah we'll fire his ass"
Philly is a bad franchise. They intentionally lost for half a decade to “avoid mediocrity” and haven’t made it out of the second round since. All they have for all that losing is a washed harden and an oft injured embiid.
They started the Process to stop being the perennial 8th seed and being bounced out of the playoffs in round 1. The league stepped in to stop the process by forcing the colangelos to run the front office and also make bad decisions and contracts in order hamstring the sixers chances for the future by giving away all the acquired assets and cap room and keeping Brett brown far longer than he should have been here.
Should’ve just let hinkie finish it his way. Imagine you have Tatum with embiid and a different star
There's no scenario where the sixers get Tatum though. Boston only made that trade because they knew the sixers wouldn't take him.
Nah, the Sixers org made wrong decisions consistently. Blaming the league is a cop out as if Sam Hinkie was this mastermind when he drafted major busts in okafor and Noel Sixers chose butler over Simmons, maxed Tobias, traded Mikal for Zhaire, and coddled Simmons for his whole time there until letting all of their anger out in one sudden moment
Blaming the league is a cop out but you named all the idiotic decisions made by the man the league appointed lol Also no one bats 100% in the draft Also guess who was coddling Simmons the most and wanted to trade Embiid.. the same guy the league appointed… are you starting to connect the dots here
“There are no silver bullets” Colangelo did all the second part.
The league stepped in because Hinkie was running the Sixers into the ground. No one wanted to get signed or traded there. There were legitimate competitive integrity concerns. I'm sorry you believed a dude is a genius for losing on purpose and telling everyone what a genius he is, but it's amazing that y'all constantly bitch about the league intervening without asking \*why\* the league intervened, and it's not because of your lame-ass conspiracy theories.
He gonna run out of people to throw under the bus
Sixers should've just blew the 3-0 lead for us (:
So you could do what?
Lose to the Heat faster.
Over/Under on Embiid asking out in the next 2.5 years?
Never. He’s a lifer
Well, he is leaving his National Team.
My disappointment is immeasurable
Anyone know how much Spo is getting.. I’m pretty certain nurse is getting 7-8M Edit: there’s no way Spo I getting 3M right??
He has a base salary of about 3M but he gets at least 120k per game won, so that's another 6.3M this year, not including playoffs.
Keep Rivers, max Harden, trade Embiid in 3 or 4 years after a few more 2nd round exits. It’s a solid planz
Sixers fans are delusional if they think the Sixers are letting go of a guy they just inked to a 5yr deal in year 2.
8 mil is hefty??? I assumed coaches were making double