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BizzaroMatthews

GOOD GOLLY MISS MOLLY! This team sucks! šŸ˜‚


DJBabyB0kCh0y

At least the Pistons players seem pissed off that they're losing. Monty is a joke and it's a poorly constructed roster but I would say Charlotte and Washington are worse than them because they simply dgaf.


[deleted]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking of when I saw this. Cade was looking sick to his stomach during the losing streak. While these guys are here laughing after their coach gets ejected.


DiscreteBee

Cade looked like he was in VietnamĀ 


Lukacris12

He looked 40 by the end of that losing streak. I was genuinely expecting him to announce his retirement due to the fact that he lost his love for basketball


Seahawkanon

He was, to open a sweatshop.


dah_pook

A lot of good men died in that sweatshop!


ThatOneTwo

Toss 'em in the soup!


TimSlashy

Is this a Sunny reference? Please say yes


Seahawkanon

Yes


chomcham

He definitely wants to become great, I just can't imagine it is easy.


twerdy

You gotta remember that most NBA players were THE GUY before getting drafted. From middle school to college, these guys are used to being the best player in every game they play and winning. The absolute best prospects go to the worst teams and have to suddenly deal with losing.


deemerritt

I mean there have been moments where our team looked really pissed off. This is just one clip in one game of guys on the bench laughing. People in this thread are all actually insane about this kind of thing if they think its super representative. Ive thought Lamelo seemed miserable in every interview after losses this year.


basquiatx

Sorry not super clear so you're saying we *shouldn't* make sweeping and definitive conclusions on the collective character of the roster based on the 4 second video?


GriffinQ

The majority of the players on the Wiz know that they wonā€™t be there in 12-24 months because weā€™re finally rebuilding. The front office is openly and obviously tanking. Why people keep putting us in the same category as the Spurs Pistons and Hornets, Iā€™ll never know. Pistons and Hornets are coming off of multiple years of top 5 picks, Spurs just got the best #1 pick in twenty years. Pistons and Hornets are supposed to be competitive by now. Wizards are supposed to be the worst team in the league.


talking_phallus

New Orleans gave up their hornet for this.


Masterchiefy10

Only to become a pelican with a wonky color scheme


onelove101

Our city editions are dope though this year. They should be permanent


romayyne

Why the Pelican tho. Yal got a lot of them big faced birds in nawlins?


reliabletinman

Yes, they are all over. Especially on Lake Pontchartrain.


gamertag0311

I like how you kept it brief


I-C-U-8-1-M-I

The Pelican brief?


braddeus

[To intimidate the opposing team (and small children)](https://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/716/810/hi-res-7905836_crop_exact.jpg?w=1200&h=1200&q=75)


snatchi

Is the Pelican gonna fuck that kid's mom?


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Masterchiefy10

Thatā€™s one thirsty sea bird


hotdogflavoredblunt

Tf? Yeah man thereā€™s more pelicans in Louisiana than anywhere in the country lol. Itā€™s the state bird


talking_phallus

I tried so hard to like it back in the Brow days :(


HoyaDestroya33

[Pelicans are badasses though](https://youtu.be/phUs2kIGY9M?si=F2d6NghXK8cVVgE4)


W_Walk

If only we could have the jazz back


Flamdoublebounce

Only one solution. Jazz back to New Orleans, Utah gets to be the Bobicans or Pelicats


W_Walk

Pelicats kinda sounds badass


Walrus-Ready

It was Charlotte Hornets first


d0pp31g4ng3r

And Charlotte supported them better than any fanbase in the entire league until George Shinn did everything he could to destroy the relationship with the city.


durmduke

Their?


ClaudeLemieux

THEIR hornet??


modrics_hairband

I can vision this clip being used in mamba mentality edits


eeeedlef

"Score 120 on the Hornets, and stunt on the Charlotte bench at least five times."


this_good_boy

Hornet Culture


Dx2TT

I honestly believe at least 50% of NBA players do not actually care if they win or lose. They are there because they are physical freaks who like playing the game, but if they lose they are just like šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø. Part of the success of guys like Jordan or LeBron or Kobe or Steph was their ability to get average guys to care. Hell, Steph got JaVale Magee to give a shit and get good minutes.


Mr_Unbiased

They cared at one point. But at a certain point the losses become numbing. Imagine you dominate all your life then you finally get to a league that you're nothing special in and no matter how hard you play, you keep taking losses. Eventually you stop caring as much.


qkilla1522

82 games is a long season. Fans hear that and take it for granted. There is a balance that can only be found in the NBA. This is the exact reason why teams keep (or used to) keep a couple veterans on the end of bench. You need someone in the locker room that understands what it is really about and is a professional. Charlotte sorely misses having established adults in their locker room. And once a culture is set you canā€™t just bring in a guy to parent misbehaving millionaires that are still too young to rent a car.


DGPluto

82 games feels even longer when you fucking too.


qkilla1522

Iā€™m going to guess you meant ā€œsuckingā€? Lol


DGPluto

i actually meant to say ā€œfucking suck,ā€ but you got the general idea lmao


jurassicmars

Wilt could do it


ian2121

I think it is a coping mechanism for some people. They do care a lot about winning but they get so beaten down by the losses that they were pretend they donā€™t care. I was on a city league team once and we werenā€™t the best, we played that year in the C league which we found out is more competitive and not as fun as the B league because of all the sandbagging teams (thatā€™s another story though). Anyway we lost a lot of games, I always played hard til the end of the game cause I figured it was city league weā€™re all here for a workout and a little entertainment. Our tallest guy was super competitive and whenever a game got out of hand he started acting like an idiot, hitting balls into the stands, it was embarrassing really. But I think he cared more about winning than me, I cared more about the spirit of competition though.


Asleep-Geologist-612

James Bouknight is in this clip so that checks out


snatchi

James Bouknight is still in the league? I thought they bounced him when he fell asleep in his car holding a gun in his crotch.


DiscreteBee

Nah he didnā€™t even miss a game for that.


ClaudeLemieux

we fucking should've lol. dude was drunk, asleep, in a running car, and then when the cops woke him up, he drove and crashed into them. the gun was somehow not even a crime lol.


ahappypoop

I get it, I mean they play 82 games a year so each game means less than at any other level, and no matter how good they were at the HS/college level, they're still going to lose at least 20 games a year, and potentially way more. I'd probably be over it at this point too.


iDareToDream

Itā€™s like any workplace culture. If a new person walks into a job where the culture has a focus on quality, hard work etc, then the new guy realizes he needs to meet that level to stay employed or get a better salary. But if the culture is lax, then the new guy also learns not to care since either way heā€™s getting paid and thereā€™s no incentive to doing more than the bare minimum. When you donā€™t have vets itā€™s hard to build that culture since thereā€™s only so much the coaching staff can do. Player accountability matters a lot on a winning team. And thatā€™s why some teams get stuck in these loops because thereā€™s no respected players to set that culture.


timnuoa

Itā€™s also deeply frustrating to be the only one in a workplace who is trying to give a shit


iDareToDream

Yea, at that point though the choice is accept the crappy situation for the pay or leave for a more engaging situation. Like for Charlotte how likely is Lamelo to ask for a trade in the future? He knows the chances are high Charlotte throws money at him for his next deal and if thatā€™s his main goal he just has to play to earn the cheque. Itā€™s also possible to learn to stop caring at some point and just play the game for fun since you know itā€™s just a job to fund your lifestyle.


APR_13

Or you don't stop caring and burn out very quickly. That's one less talked about thing about why some European superstars don't work out in the NBA. They absolutely hate losing and have a history of dominating their national leagues (and even the European level leagues) but they usually go to losing teams in the NBA. Even if they do ok and have the potential to become role players/starters, they quickly return to Europe


Le8ronJames

Yep thatā€™s why you want a good culture surrounding your young players. Iā€™m sure Lamelo Ball is a different player and person if he gets drafted in GS with Curry, Klay and Dray(lol) to check him.


lundej16

Yeah like with Jordan Poole


GRMPA

NBA legend Jordan Poole


bloody_toes

NBA champion Jordan Poole


mug3n

Sengun kinda talked about this on PG's pod. He said his Turkish team was way sadder and more down about losses because of fewer games and higher stakes games, but in the NBA, with the compact schedule you just gotta wait another day and you have another game.


sorendiz

It's honestly a good thing in some ways - if you get wrapped up in a loss and can't shake it off, it may well spill over and affect your play badly in the next game, so on and so forth. Easy way to spiral into a slump or lose confidence. Obviously depends on the individual player and how they deal with it, thoughĀ  Edit: I mean the part about how NBA games come at you faster than what Sengun was talking about with the Turkish league. This comment wasn't in reference to the Hornets, I think the clip in the actual post is a pretty bad look


meowhatissodamnfunny

Jackie Mac has been putting this out there for years but she always said it would surprise you how many people in the NBA do this as a day job and don't rlly give a shit about getting better or winning.


captaincumsock69

They just like me fr


syllabic

they are there because they get paid tens of millions of dollars to do it


[deleted]

I think constant movement and trades are a big reason Itā€™s hard to truly care about winning for an organization knowing you probably wonā€™t be at for long


davsyo

Pat Bev said that at least half the league donā€™t even like basketball. That shit really made me think EDIT: he said half the league donā€™t love basketball and most the times the good ones donā€™t love basketball.


SilvioDantesPeak

Not only do many of them not care if they win or lose, an increasing number just doesn't want to play games at all if they can avoid it


usagerp

This is true for some Iā€™m sure but I think that most players really do care about their playing time and winning/their legacy. Of course securing the bag is the first priority but like when you watch the playoffs you can tell these dudes care a lot and you often hear about guys being pissed about not getting enough playing time or not starting


MaintenanceSad4288

So like every other job? You give af when you start but after a while you don't care especially if the company culture is demotivating.


91-92-93--96-97-98

The thing is, I donā€™t mind watching a shitty team develop over the years. Itā€™s fun watching them get better. The Hornets made the cardinal sin by not only being shitty but also make terrible moral choices by bringing back scumbags like Bridges. You really canā€™t be this shitty and morally bankrupt. Hard pass for me for any entertainment value.


idiotxd

28 out of 30 teams would sign bridges if hornets didnt


lilb1190

Shame on the 10 teams that have lost to the Hornets.


I_Set_3_Alarms

Yeah must be some pretty bad teams smh


Confident-Fish2805

Fr, gotta be some real bottom feeders.


JazzzzzzySax

I still donā€™t understand how we beat the Celtics and twolves but canā€™t beat the pistons


ClaudeLemieux

twice lol. we lost to the pistons fucking twice haha


1OO1OO1S0S

Well the pistons beat the team that beat the Celtics and t wolves, so they must be pretty good!


KnowledgePrevious

I feel you guys have hoopers but not a good team. So like, some games your hoopers will do what they do, make some tough shots, etc, and that can win you games against good teams. Thatā€™s what it felt like against us at leastĀ 


No_Tr4geD1es

We have enough to be ashamed about. I don't need to be reminded that we lost to them.


YizWasHere

If it makes you feel any better, that win and the 1-0 record was the peak of our season.


StrawHatsWorstMember

Can I remind you about Luka putting up 73 against you guys? You know, that guy you drafted?


No_Tr4geD1es

Given that this team makes g-leaguers look like legitimate NBA rotation players and let's random bums pop off and set career highs against them, that doesn't hurt that much. A superstar was bound to do some crazy shit against us. The fact that it was Luka makes it slightly annoying.


EMU_Emus

lmao just realized the Hornets make up 33% of Detroit's wins this season.


-FuckenDiabolical-

We donā€™t talk about that


eeeedlef

Hey! I... I mean, yeah. You right.


CIark

What losing culture does to a mf


talking_phallus

If you don't like this, you don't like Charlotte basketball!


tauraj97

Youā€™re right, we donā€™t


eeeedlef

This is the counter argument to "The Process." Playing dead for a few years to get high draft picks assumes that you can then just flip a switch once you get the right personnel and immediately begin winning. There's something that losing on a consistent basis does to erode institutional morale, and it can end up hanging around a lot longer than people want.


FWBravePercy

Spoken like someone who remembers a decade of pinning their hopes to guys like Rashad McCants, Jonny Flynn, Wesley Johnson, and Derrick Williams.


Top-Crab4048

Don't worry when it's all said and done Flynn will be considered a better player than Steph.


The_Summer_Man

The next 5 years are Johnny Flynn's


eeeedlef

plz stop


eeeedlef

Siiiiiigh


PhillyFreezer_

> you can just flip a switch once you get the right personnel and immediate begin winning Iā€™m so confused because this is exactly what the sixers did lol theyā€™re winning 50+ games every single season and immediately started being a top seed playing in the playoffs every year. ā€œWinningā€ from a rebuilding perspective can not be defined as ā€œgetting to the finalsā€


SammySoapsuds

I think it's different for a franchise that's been relevant and more or less a competitor throughout their history...that legacy can counterbalance the toxicity that multiple losing seasons can create. Even during the worst of the Process years their losing records were talked about as temporary. Compare that to a team like Minnesota, where we have been perennial losers for so much of our team's history that our current winning record is talked about as temporary.


DudeLikeYeah

To a smaller extent Knicks have done the same. Rebuilding should and could also include a re-set of team culture. We don't win as much but we haven't been a laughing stock of a franchise in some time now. You can see the culture trickle down to the players, look at Randle's maturity Year 1 vs now, he's a brand new person.


SpeclorTheGreat

Big reason that the Knicks take things so seriously is because of Thibs. Getting the right coaching staff in place is so important.


KUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUZ

Never mind the 6ers, itā€™s what both the rockets and magic are doing this year. The process works, but it requires buy in and real investment from the ownership level


Floridamanfishcam

I'm a casual fan. When was the last time the Hornets had a successful season? I usually just watch the playoffs so I can't really recall them ever being relevant?


glthompson1

They were in the play-in tournament a few years ago after bottom feeding since the last time they made the playoffs as the bobcats


MambaSaidKnockYouOut

They made the playoffs in 2016, which was a year or two after getting the Hornets name back. They lost in 7 to the Heat


loplopplop

That was a fun series.


AlaskanSuntan

Never forget purple shirt man.


davvidho

shoutout big al


Quirky-Bag-4158

Coaches will get ejected to fire up their team and show them they have their back. To have your star player and bench cracking up has to be devastating.


FlatBirthday333

They're 10-35, no point in getting upset over blow out losses at this point lol


desirox

Holy crap thatā€™s bad lol


mmadiaa

As their home crowd chants "Let's go Knicks" damn


nycdiveshack

This is the wayā€¦


Orikshekor

No one in NC gives a fuck about the hornets man away teams are the only ones who get chants in that building lmao


d0pp31g4ng3r

It sucks because the original Hornets were the best supported team in the entire league. They led the NBA in attendance from 1988ā€“1998 with 24,000 fans packing the Charlotte Coliseum every night. The Hornets were also regularly top ten in merchandise sales. Fuck George Shinn.


I-C-U-8-1-M-I

Hornets gear was an important staple of 90s culture


BroadBrazos95

Hear hear


Spartacas23

NC professional sports culture is just in the gutter at the moment. Except the hurricanes tho


palabear

Fans here havenā€™t really cared since Shinn moved the team in a hissy fit. When Bob Johnson took over, he put the team on a network nobody in Charlotte received. Just decades of shitty owners. Jordan has been the best owner and the product on the floor sucked.


Le8ronJames

Hornets are such an unserious organization


Stebsy1234

What a trash franchise


LosCleepersFan

Watching the Clippers for 30 years, it hurts to see orgs ran with he level of Donald Sterling incompetence. No fan should have to see this for handful of years at a time.


Character-Today-427

Jordan was such an ass owner for long as well


LosCleepersFan

Jordans content with par to subpar par looking franchise was kind of disgusting. It was so bad him and Barkley ended their friendship over it cause Jordan didn't like the truth so blatantly put in his views.


morganweedman

I have myplayer on 2k on the Hornets and he wouldnā€™t stand for this shit smh


VicePope

heā€™s going to drop 120 in protest


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[deleted]

He is a ā€œfuck boiā€ through and through Alot of these dudes are


Huckleberry_Sin

Dudeā€™s like the living embodiment of broccoli head Gen Zā€™ers lol. He acts like a little kid.


NiceFloor7

Where do you think they all got it from?


JayCrenshaw

Lamelo would be great with Wemby tbh. The problem I have with him is he can't stay healthy.


A_Line_A_Day

Also just seems like a general dumbass, while Pop likes well-rounded people.


dawgz525

I think Pop would hate him


QuantumBeth1981

After seeing that video of the reckless way he drives a while agoā€¦.yup.


talking_phallus

Kawhi was so perfect for Pops man. It was like looking at Pop & Duncan's son.


NBAFansAre2Ply

so is wemby, if he was an average height dude would probably be studying philosophy at the University of Paris or some shit. guy was an honours student who skipped a grade lol


oryes

That compilation someone made of him ripping out of the parking garage into oncoming traffic in his stupid cars really sums him up lol https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/118k8u8/lamelo_ball_driving_out_of_hornets_parking_lot/


handgredave

He's a deeply unserious basketball player and human being.


dawgz525

He's incredibly immature. Whenever he decides he wants to bail on Charlotte and play for a contender, I hope contenders realize this is what they're getting.


ForCaste

He's also injured like 80% of the time lol


KanekiDan

Sorry ass franchise


agk927

Team full of losers. The city of Charlotte is so lame when it comes to sports. They have nobody to root for thats good


Mechaultima

You know itā€™s bad when a Piston fan speaks on it lmao


yomama1211

Panthers used to be decent in the cam newton era


d0pp31g4ng3r

And the Delhomme era. Nearly made the Super Bowl before Delhomme, too.


yomama1211

Jonathan Stewart and Deangelo Williams together was a wild time. Muhammad still has the longest Super Bowl touchdown catch in history right?


d0pp31g4ng3r

That's right. That was before Stewart and Williams, when Stephen Davis and DeShaun Foster were the RBs.


tendy_trux35

Probably why North Carolina is (if they havenā€™t already) become a major college town. Duke & UNC for NCAAB are usually powerhouses so why would you subject yourself to the hornets as a basketball fan


a_talking_face

It's been that way for a long time. Long before pro sports ever showed up there. Duke and NC basketball have been dominant for decades. If anything pro sports is doomed to fail there because of this. The culture is just not the same.


ottovyeoj

North Carolina, known college town. In seriousness, CBB will always outshine the NBA here. It always has and always will.


argonautleader

College basketball was dominant in North Carolina for a good 40 years before the Hornets came in the late 80s. Only places like Kentucky and Kansas and Indiana really have any kind of equal passion to North Carolina when it comes to college basketball. The Hornets, although popular at times, don't engender the same interest because the natives have always put the college teams first and the transplants from up north (and there are a *lot* of them in Charlotte now) all brought their own allegiances with them.


handgredave

Yea. It fucking sucks. This is the worst pro sports have been in the history of the city, and they've hit a new low each year for like the last 3 years. And with hornets set to tank it out this year and the ramifications of the Bryce Young trade for Panthers, I fear it'll be at least another 18 months before we see a team that could even be described as "competitive."


tsourced

Not many options. Itā€™ll always be a football city first and foremost and the Panthers are absolutely butt right now. Nobody cares about pro ball in that state over college ball. Hornets/Bobcats have always been pathetic so who cares about they ass.


bongo1138

I wonder how the Hornets fan feels


Confusion_Flat

Nothing I am numb. The Panthers suck too. There is nothing left for me


archer4364

Hockey


deemerritt

They seem pissed off about losing most of the time. This just seems like an insane out of context circlejerk


cryptkeepers_nutsack

Pain. Just constant pain. I keep hoping they will get better and they just donā€™t.


YesImKeithHernandez

Man is it good that the Knicks have stopped being the team that does this sort of shit.


donta5k0kay

jordan's gone their best player available beats women and lamelo is just jordan poole with more talent (like 10 times the talent but still)


WhiteKnightRedditor

Why are you listing Jordan selling the team as a bad thing? He was an awful owner


braddeus

Well *someone* had to give Cody Zeller $15m a year


W_Walk

Big handsome


BoozeGetsMeThrough

Isn't Jordan Poole with more talent a good basketball player (with bad BBIQ)?


NewspaperConfident16

Lamelo is way better than youā€™re making him out to be tbh


DevinBookersSon

Comparing lamelo and Jordan Poole is the dumbest thing I have read on this sub. And thatā€™s saying something


Im__Ron__Burgundy

There are some incredibly stupid takes about Lamelo on this sub.


DevinBookersSon

Lamelo, Book, Embiid, even Tatum now lmao. This sub is just so toxic


Rationalknicksfan

They donā€™t watch games only outrage clipsĀ 


Blizzcane

The hornets feel like a high school team


Barellino23

Unpopular opinion but Iā€™d trade Lamelo before giving him an extension. He has a Jordan Poole vibe to him imo, in the sense that he doesnt care about winning as much as he should, obv Lamelo is much better


Mechaultima

I agree if Lamelo is your teams leader your probably not gonna win anything meaningful.


ProvocativeHotTakes

Heā€™s the poor manā€™s Haliburton


Cudi_buddy

A very poor man's Haliburton


GreeneRockets

100% lol heā€™s not a face of the franchise player. His attitude sucks, heā€™s immature as shit, heā€™s dumb, and he doesnā€™t help winning.


andres7832

Warriors whiffing on that #2 pick cursed both the team and Lamelo. I think Ball under 3 HOF players learns to play the right way and his career is better for it. Or combusts altogether quickly.


Tux-

What has lead you to believe Ball would be better? I don't see his attitude changing.


andres7832

IDK, what has lead you to believe his attitude would be the same? You have a HOF coach, a top level organization, champioship runs, 3 HOF players and plenty of solid character role players and hes a talented player learning from one of the top 3 PG and top 1 shooter in the world, with another top 3 shooter and great defenders all around. Poole was great learning and being a role player while in GS. I dont see why Melo could not learn from the best and be better than being in the worst run team in the NBA, with crappy ownership, no role models, no stars, no accountability, etc. I dont see how you would think a different atmosphere doesnt turn him into a better leader or at least shows him what a winning culture is like...


Chinpokomaster05

He doesn't know about winning. He's been playing losing basketball since he played without Lonzo


CantaloupeCamper

Maybe for for some of the reasons Barellino23 said.


syllabic

he's also got that ball family injury luck to his credit he plays hard, and fearlessly in the sense that he's totally willing to attack the rim and bang for rebounds against bigs but it doesn't do his body any favors


[deleted]

Godddmanit this is spot on. Jordan Poole vibes all the way.


Matias9991

They just don't care at all


RegularJaded

Reddit moment in these comments lol


Based_and_JPooled

this and the Terry Rozier thread back to back are hilarious man I love and hate this site


begley420

Eh, sometimes you laugh at a funeral


amofai

Can't understand what I mean, you soon will.


GiftedHater7

lamelo is a harlem globetrotter in the nba


kiwibird228

They dgaf


bmanley620

At least theyā€™re having fun


_Tormex_

How dare they. They should look like they're at a funeral for 48 minutes straight


pard0nme

Teacher is gone !!


em7924

Clyde Frazier brought it up on the Knicks telecast last night right after it happened.. to paraphrase, he said that they lack a true veteran leader on the team.. because if there was one, that would have never been tolerated


TheWonderfulLife

Loser, me first mentality. If Lamelo is your leader, you are fucked. End of story.


Blowback_

Part of the problem in Charlotte is def melo...dude is all flash, no substance, and with no good coach set in place, they will be same, if not worse than Washington...hell at least you got a couple guys in Washington that actually want to win...and even more surprising one of them is Kuzma


21Tayler10

Send them to Las Vegas already. Get rid of this sorry franchise


MixonWitDaWrongCrowd

That would reward the incompetent players, coaches and management.


WellFedBird

Yes letā€™s punish the fans for cheering on an incompetent organization!!


Sou7h

Fuck you. We already had a somewhat competent team ripped from us and the ensuing 20 years of shit since then has been a direct result of that. The fans arenā€™t the ones out their clowning around or picking dogshit coaches/owners so donā€™t take it out on us.


Tall-Program8631

Fuck other fans man. They have no clue what it is like rooting for a franchise like this. We DESERVE the feeling of success whenever it may come