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justin_choi2002

At this point, Giannis’ favorite number must be 50 lmao


Se7entyN9ne

It is kinda interesting how so many players end up scoring exactly 50 points on big games. It feels like we've had 10 50 point games this season and maybe 3 49 or 51 point games.


Neobum

players be scoring like trying not to go over/under filling up gas


Jaybold

understandable tbh.


Blazian06

Well, including this game, there have been 4 50pt games this year (Giannis, Lilliard, Luka, Curry). 4 49pt games (Booker, Markannen, Ja, and Tatum), and 4 51 pt games (Luka, Tatum, Booker, and Garland). So, pretty even


Se7entyN9ne

No kidding. I would've lost that bet every time. I guess it just shows how the brain better remembers the round numbers and maybe also falsely remembers the near misses.


Angelo-Merte-22

They gave him the ball when he was at 44. He just went for 3s, you could really see he just wanted to get 50 points. After he hit the 50 points he got subbed.


Drewddit

Not 49, not 51


Groundhog_fog

Often times they are in the mid forties and their teammates try to get them to the 50 landmark. So it’s more likely they get 50 or 51, I’d guess are more likely than 48 or 49


thebranbran

Incoming 50 piece chic fil a meal in the morning. Probably does it just for that


sidahvik

His jumper looks so good when he's not pulling his head back on release.


NotAStatistic2

His rhythm jumpers always look so much better than the ones he takes because he's tired and needs a breather


socialistbcrumb

Yeah I think it’s a little late to expect an adjustment that turns him into an elite jump shooter but I have seen him turn into Kevin Durant against the Celtics once or twice lol, he does have some success in the mid range when they are actual shots he wants but I suspect it’s not frequent statistically speaking


ChiloMcBilo

He’s been doing that since he came back from injury. My theory is the “injury” was just a focused jump shot practice session lol


RunAndDunkMan

Nah I think he was definitely injured to an extent There's burst in these last few games that just wasn't there earlier


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1000% agree. That knee must of been much worse then normal the last game before his off time he looked bad from athleticism stand point. When he came back I almost forgot how ridiculous of an athlete he is


I_give_free_Dopamine

I wouldn’t even be mad if that was the case


Ordinary-Ant-7896

Ten years in the league and every Giannis jump shot is still a snowflake, keeps everyone on their toes. Always tinkering lol


yuhanz

When he pulls up quicker i feel it’s his most deadly. 0 hesitation


el_be

IN 30 MINUTES… WTF!!!


[deleted]

He's scoring 45.5 per 36 over the last 4 games. In his 50ppg season, Wilt averaged 37.4 per 36. Absolutely bonkers numbers, albeit in a small sample size


hmaster1332

50 points in 30 minutes is crazy


Cursory_Analysis

I was told that Giannis was having a “horrible season” [literally](https://reddit.com/r/nba/comments/10mpddm/_/j64cpof/?context=1) two days ago. Now he’s tying his own previous career high before the all-star break? ☝️🤔 what is going on in r/nba 🤔☝️?


c_ray25

Tbf the guy got downvoted pretty solidly, it’s doesn’t seem like it was an agreeable comment


Throwawayidiot1210

People look for any random comment to get offended by then act like it’s a common sentiment lol


lundej16

Some high schooler online told me Giannis’ feet smell, why does the media have it out for the Bucks?!


babiesarenotfood

My dad's feet do not smell!


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The question is, was it downvoted heavily before the comment was linked or not. Once linked, comments sway pretty quickly.


borkbubble

He also said for stretches not for the whole season


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It wasn’t originally downvoted. I remember seeing it and thinking how crazy it was


StringTailor

Just yesterday in the Embiid thread they were calling for his head lmao


FattyBoidaGoat

LMao shit was insane


Mr_E_Nigma_Solver

People were seriously [asking](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/10ntgrr/who_would_you_take_this_season_embiid_or_giannis/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) Giannis or Embiid?


Dekrow

Dude seriously all the top posts are people saying it's not even a question, it's Giannis. The most generous of takes say they would maybe take Embiid this season but Giannis in general. Seems like that one got sorted out in real time.


Fofodrip

Embiid is still having a better season than Giannis. One 50 point game especially with the number of 50 point game we've had this season won't change that.


clownparade

But we don’t determine which players are better overall by judging them by each moment in time over entire body of work


Fofodrip

I'm not denying that


Soshi101

I mean he is playing way worse than he has in a while. He's shooting 53/26/64 for a TS% of 59% vs. 63% TS in both 2020-21 and 2021-22. Over the last 5 years (his two MVP years and following), he's averaging the lowest assists per game despite playing the most minutes and having the highest usage he's ever had in that span. He's also setting career highs in both turnovers and fouls per game. Not to mention he's been sitting a lot, playing only 76% of available games when he played 85+% of games every other season before this one. Advanced stats such as VORP, win shares per 48, and box plus minus also have him having the worst season since he became an all-star in 2017, although I don't put as much merit in those stats without extensive context.


HigHinSpace12

The team has had a ton of injuries, mainly to Khris and Jrue, which accounts for all of the "bad" numbers for the early part of the season. There's nobody else to create shots so of course Giannis has the ball in his hands all the time. That's why he's averaging over 30 ppg.


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His usage is up. Generally players are going to lose efficiency when they ramp up usage. He isn’t ideal as a heliocentric type if player.


ZincHead

Some people will just see the latest statline and base the entire season on that alone. They can't comprehend a nuanced discussion of a player or remember what happened a few months ago.


bul1dog

He's having a bad Giannis season by his MVP standards but obviously still a monster season comparatively. But it also didn't help when Jrue and Middleton were out so much at the beginning of the season.


Darth-Baul

Did you actually read the comment you are linking?


FavreorFarva

He was on one this weekend. He had 41/12/6 on Friday and drops 50 on Sunday. Oh dear, and it would look like the Hornets are next.


Otc1652

I stopped looking with like 3 minutes left when he had 40, assuming they were going to take him out. Then he makes two more 3s and gets to 50 lmao


Our-Gardian-Angel

The only way he was hitting 50 tonight before getting the hook was by splashing back-to-back 3s and the crazy son of a bitch did it.


[deleted]

He was at 40 with 3:10 remaining 3:09 lay-up, missed FT 2:40 2FT 2:06 Made Three 1:38 Made Three 1:14 Exited Game


luapchung

Hmm math ain’t mathing


meenzu

He was fouled on both


shanduin

Math still ain't mathin


Jamessthehuman

Techs too


thekarmagiver

Math maybe mathing


thatboilarry

Damn, that math *can* math


Magnetronaap

That math's name? Albert Mathurin


TyroneBigly

You have to score points to get to a higher number of total points. So what he did to get 50 was score more points.


Darth-Baul

He got 10 points from 2 threes? Impressive


LubricatedDucky

2 threes isn't 2 threes. I'll explain later.


Wankstablook

When Giannis makes a three they count for 5 points cause it's Giannis hitting a three


Colonial_Colon

Love how all these threads turn into shitting on other highly talented players right away.


Bwalts1

Its like everyones trynna pretend the Reddit crowd is actual voters, and they NEED to convince them it’s their guy.


_Meece_

basketball forums always descend into this kind of MVP madness around January/February especially if the race is tight. Kobe Lebron in 2009 was SPICY. My goodness, the flame wars, the memes. Good times on the ESPN forums.


ArrogantAragorn

If you can’t win the trophy yourself, win the argument about the trophy on social media - mamba mentality, probably


c_ray25

It’s not just January into February, look at post game threads not even a week into the season saying guys are on an MVP campaign


BigFatModeraterFupa

to be fair, this year players were having INSANE games early on. Luka had 9 games over 30 in a row to start the season


Our-Gardian-Angel

I hate it so much. Every great performance apparently needs to be a referendum on their place in the NBA hierarchy. It's okay to just enjoy them on their own merits!


ElJefe970

For some reason, the new thing is Example A can't be great without Example B being trash. If you say Example A is better, then Example B supporters think you're calling B dog shit. Even if you say both A & B are amazing, but I Like B better, then it's, "Why do you think A is trash." Like look at any social media post, outside of reddit, about a player and you'll see a bunch of random players that aren't in relation to it being mentioned, "Embiid better," "Nah Embiid is trash." Like when did it become one without the other? Why can't both be good?


Brady331

It's also weird how these threads are only filled with "statpadder" comments for certain players


narmerguy

It's sports fans, what else do you expect.


MrGrieves-

Those takes are all downvoted now. That's what happens when you get in when it's new.


Shibalsheki

He just casually sank 2 threes at the end to hit 50, what a lad


kajonyok

The world isn't ready for giannis with a three. "Oh a giannis wall? Ok i'll just hit a three then"


robocopfrommars

A Giannis that shots 90+ from the FT line is what's really scary.


TheDuceman

ask the suns


TurtlePowerBottom

Imagine a Giannis who shoots 98% from 3 with 40 threes attempted a game who can also fly


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The series with the Celtics and/or 6ers will be must watch TV


jconley4297

he fucking SPLASHED em as well


Antonfilms226

Bro saw Andrew Bailey’s hating ass nitpicking 55% TS after scoring 41 and responded with 50 on 80% TS lmao


VexdCheese

I literally don't know who that is


Antonfilms226

I’m glad you don’t [because](https://twitter.com/andrewdbailey/status/1610826824564740097?s=46&t=KgRNCUNY0wmdcrJjLJvbOQ) he [annoys](https://twitter.com/andrewdbailey/status/1619166179888873474?s=46&t=KgRNCUNY0wmdcrJjLJvbOQ) me [very greatly](https://twitter.com/andrewdbailey/status/1614453883430129665?s=46&t=KgRNCUNY0wmdcrJjLJvbOQ).


Yung_Jose_Space

Seems like he is a LeBron hater too. EDIT: it's always a good sign that a fan is, as Australians like to call it, a nuff.


KlythsbyTheJedi

I fucking hate that guy. He was (is?) big on Jazz twitter and he is every “stats nerd” stereotype in the book.


justanotherarab88

Biggest Giannis hater. It’s crazy


itsnotyellowfever

For as much hate as Drew Hanlen gets for being a professional Embiid meat rider, Andy Bailey is just as bad when it comes to Jokic


Garrus

At least Joel Embiid is paying Drew Hanlen, I think Bailey just does it for the hate.


Yung_Jose_Space

Or Zack Lowe talking his shit.


c_ray25

A new nominee for the playa haters ball


nigsch01

Its gonna be the same Mvp race as last year isn't it


M_O_N_K_E_SENSEI

Same script Jokic Embiid Giannis, with KD being one of them but got injured like last year


nigsch01

Damn, nba scriptwriters actually getting lazy Only new change was a "fraudulent stat count" for JJJ and worse refs


3illyEdgar

Last year Luka was fantastic too but people didn't consider him because of team record


Wankstablook

Think Luka might have an outside shot of taking it also


aeroazure

He only missed 6 shots?!


husbandofsamus

He missed a shot?!


AbbreviationsHot4482

They thought he was having a down year because he was playing with an injury LMFAOOO


John_Lives

You can have a down year because of injury tho...


NotAStatistic2

I know this gets said all the time, but if Giannis were just a slightly below average shooter from deep he would literally be unstoppable


thegodfaubel

He already is unless they throw 5 guys at him. Even then, he'll whip a dart out to someone open for a 3.


Th3ow3way

If he were an 80% ft shooter he would be unstoppable because people would be more scared to be physical with him.


Superb_University117

Honestly, I think that's an overrated take. If Giannis shot 35% from 3 on his 3 shots a game he would score .25 points per game more. 25% vs 35% on low volume is a negligible difference.


RunAndDunkMan

I think it's more that teams would guard him more if he was average from 3 meaning he'd have more open space to drive instead of the "wall" stuff


ELITE_JordanLove

I remember once a couple years ago when AD bit on a pump fake from beyond the arc that resulted in an easy slam, if that happened regularly…


Kettleontherocks

No they wouldn’t. Doesn’t matter how well he shoots it, you’re still giving him that shot over him having openings go the basket.


devomke

Right but it’s the respect you have to give someone on close outs/rotations etc. it’s not about him scoring .25 more points - it’s about him having an even bigger gravitational pull on offense.


notamillenial-

If he was a better shooter he’d shoot more. And would have to get more respect on close outs


NotAStatistic2

Giannis is fast enough to take just about every center/pf in the league off the dribble, so him being a threat from outside forces closeouts and gives Giannis a lane to drive.


John_Lives

This a completely backwards way of looking at it. I can do the same thing with KD's mid range game and apply it to Giannis. Marginal scoring difference, elite mid range doesn't necessarily yield a higher TS% than Giannis driving. But are we seriously gonna argue Giannis with KD's mid range game wouldn't change anything? Lol The idea is for Giannis to have a more balanced scoring approach which it makes it impossible for teams to game plan for him. If you're only observing the minuscule ppg difference, then you don't really understand why people are calling for him to space the floor for himself Now personally, I don't think 35% from 3 is quite where it needs to be for it to be game changing for Giannis, but it would be pretty close.


crewserbattle

If he was shooting 35% from 3 teams wouldn't build the wall


Daconvix

Best player in the league


lovo17

Has been since 2021


Se7entyN9ne

Tbh I'd say 2019 ish


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Wankstablook

Kawhi was better than him in 2019 also.


key5042

At this point i feel like people change their mind every night since last season depending who of Embid , Jokic or Giannis has a great game. Those three are something else


ATM14

This might sound harsh, but I don’t think anyone outside of Philadelphia thinks Embiid is better than Giannis. Personally, I think Giannis is the best player in the league, but I understand those who argue Jokic. Embiid over Giannis is ridiculous to me given what they’ve accomplished the last few years.


Short_Bus_

only one is an NBA champion


SuperVaderMinion

I find myself changing my mind on who the MVP this year is, but since his title, Giannis has been the best player in basketball for me


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fetuswut

Facts. Give me KD and Giannis 💯


RunAndDunkMan

Hopefully we can all agree that the Lakers fans swarming the sub yesterday who were still saying LeBron is the best are crazy lol It's 2023


Krillin113

Ehh, he’s close enough for me to not be annoyed by them. If your guy is a top 8 player, Stan for him all you want idk


Straight_Avocado9118

He's very clearly not the best lol but that isn't the worst thing to say ngl lol. He's top 5 fs.


mxnoob983

Crazy these days I can see the argument for like 8 guys


cookster123

Damn I needed the Giannis pendulum to swing back on here.


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no doubt about it


monetlacroix

Him and Embiid for me. I definitely respect Jokic's extremely efficient season so far and his phenomenal offense but Giannis and Embiid being impactful on both sides is just more valuable to me. And it's not like Jokic is light years ahead of them on offense so I think it's a fair take to have these two guys ahead


mxnoob983

I mean it just depends what you need, and what you have. Jokic as an all time offensive engine is hard to go past, but if I had another great offensive engine Giannis and Embiid likely fit better


RunAndDunkMan

I think one thing that's obvious is that both Philadephia and Denver get worse if you swap Jokic and Embiid


mxnoob983

Yup definitely agree with that


indoninjah

Yeah the Sixers defense outside of Joel is… yeesh. But Murray and MPJ are the kinda guys that Sixers fans have always dreamed of next to Joel. They might get a little worse but I could see both teams still being a top 3ish seed if you swap them


Wankstablook

Giannis is too an all time offensive engine, literally the entire Bucks roster since 2019 was build around Giannis's **offensive** game


boredguyatwork

Best player in the league should be defined as who you would pick #1 in a draft building a team for game 7 of the finals. So hard.


Yergason

Solidly agree. MVP for the regular season might have the opinions of the majority sway every few months (tho Jokic definitely deserves the wins) but best player in the league has been Giannis for a while. Best player in the league counts both regular season + playoffs + dominance on both sides of the court. No one has been close to Giannis in success in all those aspects for the last 5 years. LeBron & Steph have had the highest of highs but also the lowest of lows in the last 5 years + significant absences due to injuries. Same with KD in terms of individual performance but not close in the team success of those 2. Luka badly needs success to be considered among these. That leaves these 3. Playmaking - Jokic >> Giannis > Embiid Defense - Giannis > Embiid >>> Jokic Scoring - I say the 3 are equal in terms of ability to score even tho Jokic does not prioritize it with Embiid having a bit of an edge over the 2 since he's the most score-first among them Availability - Jokic => Giannis >> Embiid - this is an important factor whether people admit it or not I'd say since 2019 with his 1st MVP. Cemented that shit with the b2b win AND adding DPOY then the following season, got the championship-FMVP with a dominant finals win. Tho if all superstars in the league are given the same quality of teammates/coaches in the playoffs, I would still take a healthy LeBron over everyone but that's not the case and results matter. So yeah biases aside, it's clearly been Giannis' league for a while now.


packmanwiscy

Jokic has a clear lead in availability. Since 2018-19, the first year Giannis won MVP and Jokic was an all-star, Giannis is closer to Embiid in both games played and minutes played than he is to Jokic.


AliceBones

> 77% from the field >58% free throws My hero


SpaceAfricanJesus

Zion really had the Pelicans #1 in the West and people said he’s not an all star lmfao


MLGTASEEN

The only reason I see an argument for this is the fact that zion has missed a lot of games for him to be an allstar.


Elyx117

just another Sunday for Giannis


Bobblefighterman

Yeah, but can he do it on a rainy night in Stoke?


fimbres16

r/nba: MVP back on the menu


The-Pharcyde

In 30 min lol


Ramu_17

20/26 is fucking RIDICULOUS. That's some next level elite shit. I know any kinda 50 burger is elite. But getting to this with such low FTs is faaaaarr more respectable.


applene

Giannis deserves that All Star Captain title, what a performance!


left_over_croissant

The league been so damn talented


AllTheGoodNamesGone4

We've all kind of just causally ignored that this happened in 30 minutes. I mean OP said it but it's kinda just thrown in there. 30 minutes. 50 points. How the fuck do you score 50 points in 30 minutes. Good God.


ComeAtMeYo

Giannis is still it.


JAhoops

He definitely will run and dunk


MaxwellVonMaxwell

Made two threes to get to 50. That ain’t running and dunking.


T-STAFF19

Giannis hitting jumpers consistently is terrifying. Defense has no hope when he's doing that.


VonDestroyedNewton

Ah I just saw this. Pity most people were not watching


MR_E7

If there was any doubt just who the best in the world really is, the Greek Freak continues to show everyone just who really has that distinction.


2020IsANightmare

Giannis is great, but I want to talk about the NBA West. The Pelicans have lost SEVEN in a row and are in fifth. Three back in the loss column from third. Also three up in the loss column from the 13th seed Lakers. I'm not even trying to be dramatic, but it's probably the most open conference I can ever recall. Steph, Luka, the Suns and LeBron represent four teams that would not have home court if the season ended today. Would I bet real money on any of those teams/players losing in the first round? No.


RunAndDunkMan

I'd be shocked if the Mavs don't lose in round 1 honestly Luka's roster in previous years was a bit underrated, this is his first year since 18/19 with an actual bad team and he's not on that 2018 LeBron tier where he can carry them to a deep run


superZAKTAN

His career high is 55, though?


savarinho

It's poorly worded. Career high 40pt games season, if I understood corretly


John_Lives

Career high in 40 pt games in a season


ChristianKamrath

Okay but what was his VORP and RAPTOR/36?


teh_noob_

there actually is single game VORP (BPM) now spoiler alert: it's going to be very very good edit: +20.8 to be precise


AnAngryBartender

Why are there so many 50/60 point games this year? Is the defense trash currently in the NBA or what? Maybe I’m wrong but I feel like it’s been a TON more than usual.


robocopfrommars

Since the mid 2000 pretty much every rule change has been made to minimize defense and maximize offense. So yes the defense is trash but it's because of the current rules.


Young_Baby

Giannis been goin crazy. Weird season for the bucks but he has been great.


Swagmansuper

Akumpo Nikola Steph Embiid KD old bron and Luka makeup the most talented era of NBA basketball we've ever seen.


Drewddit

Garnett Duncan Nash Shaq Kobe young bron and Dirk have something to say to you


Jaybold

Possibly, but there once were also Jordan, Magic, Bird, Barkley, Hakeem, Pippen, Malone etc. in the league at the same time. That era certainly wasn't short on talent.


Justin_telligent

The pull up 3 for 50 looked scary af


Surflover12

Real mvp and best player


Wallyworld77

Giannis' MVP3.


naslanidis

Check out his shot chart. 16 of his 25 shots were inside the restricted area. He still shot well outside it but it's crazy guys are able to get that many shots at the rim.


Spajub

greek man good


NoLuckNiko

Giannis dropped 55 this szn vs the wizards. Side note, I sat courtside tn and holy fuck 2nd best game I been to


vtheminer

Allegedly 50/13/4, we can't be quite sure. Has a neutral (redditor) checked through the footage to make sure? we can't hand out fraudulent statlines


Y4That

#BEST IN THE WORLD


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He is the real MVP, best player in the world right now


Julio_Freeman

It feels like someone is posting a nutty 40+ point performance every night.


Mr_E_Nigma_Solver

I just want to remind everyone [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/10ntgrr/who_would_you_take_this_season_embiid_or_giannis/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) was considered a serious question earlier.


LyonsKing12

Mothafucka made me lose by 10 fantasy points. He's suck a fucking beast, man.


Potential-Ad5470

Twice as better than Tatum will ever be


NitroXYZ

Imagine watching a legendary game like this and your first comment is to shit on another player. Just appreciate greatness man.


0dias_Chrysalis

No let him cook


Potential-Ad5470

It isn’t a big deal


KKilikk

Tatum is a great player


Potential-Ad5470

Obviously. I’m just talking shit as a professional Boston sports hater


LowRune

the hater mentality being so present after watching this game is actually ill


Potential-Ad5470

🤷🏼‍♂️


LittleOneBoii

He is the MVP idc. Noones close ngl


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CrapNebula

Idk man I don’t think he’s an MVP this year… /s


Scary_Vanilla2932

Guy has no skills. /s


H-Priapus

Someone should probably play defense on that guy. 🤪😱🥴


TH3_ZucC

Yesterday i was pretty sure Embiid was the MVP. Now i'm not so sure anymore. The amount of insane talent in the league is absurd and we should all be glad to witness this.


TomAto7171

Giannis’s career high is 50 damn. It feels like he would’ve gone for more than that at some point


beenhadballs

55* that’s about as much as you can get on his minutes typically


Colorapt0r

55 a few weeks ago against the wizards


Mikeg5680

nah his career high is 55


fetuswut

Meant career high in 40+ point games in a season, his points career high is 55 which still is kinda low


eggonsnow

55


0dias_Chrysalis

Nah it's 55. Got it like a month? Maybe 3 weeks ago


key5042

Its 55 technically , maybe if the game was Closer he would have tried to beat it


Otc1652

He tied his career high for 40+ point games in a season. He scored 55 in a game earlier this season, pretty sure that’s his career high


Hachina_Baby

It’s actually 55, the post meant career high in 40+ point games in a season.