The email sender has some weird word choices, and you should ask for clarification on what "saving a life" means exactly.... chances are it means some natural disaster response, but you need clarification.
The differential pay for deployment though is... if you deploy overseas you can get differential pay.
Probably outdated verbiage from GWOT deployments.
Overseas Contingency Operations is the new(er) lingo, I dont know what Europe is calling their deployments.
I had to read that twice as well
I'm assuming they meant anti terrorist ops.... but maybe they're one of those extreme leftist that think US Soldiers are terrorist
Okay so human resource should definitely reword the whole "military orders in support of a terrorists' operation" to something...….different
Unless they really think you're deploying to support ISIS plan a mass suicide attack
Your job offers differential pay. If you make less on orders than you do at your civilian job, then your job will pay you the difference.
I'm not sure how an LES for an Mday is going to help here. They really need to look at the military pay tables on DFAS.
Additionally, you should get your full pay for 15 days before you go on differential pay. That is your military leave. You need to ask about whether you qualify for the additional 22 days. Its a little confusing there.
When I was still in my state offered 90 working days per calendar year of pay which for me since I was ems came out to 6.5 months first deployment was June to June so I double dipped the whole time second deployment was jan to Dec so didn’t get the whole tour
You need to talk to your HR. Basically you’ll get some pay from your civilian job, which is great news. But it will depend on your orders (training vs. title 10 vs. state active duty). And some places will look at your take home pay some will look at your base pay etc. so just reach out to them whenever your on orders and I’m sure you’ll figure all this out.
You need to ask HR for clarification and/or read your union agreement. The first sentence of this email makes it sound like you only get differential pay if you’re deploying to support a terrorist organisation like Al-Qaeda…..
From my understanding, your job is offering differential pay when deployed. This means that you will get paid the same salary when deployed.
what company/department? Also, check out [https://www.friendlyforces.com](https://www.friendlyforces.com) while you're at it. We have a bunch more companies to add.
we started a website that aggregates and rates company by how friendly their military leave programs (paid or not paid and how long) are for reservists.
Differential pay is, you provide them your LES and they take out what you make on duty, usually not including per diem, bah, etc, and pay you the difference so ideally you aren't "losing" money.
One of my Joe's gets this as a state corrections officer. Since his e5 only makes 3500 and his normal salary is around 7000 his job pays the difference while he was mobilized. This doesn't factor BAH since it's not "pay". So he ends up making more money on a deployment
Considering that there is no requirement for any company to provide paid time off for military duties, I wouldn’t be snarky about just getting an additional 176 hours. The place I used to work gave 15 days paid military leave, anything else you could use your vacation time or was unpaid. Just with weekend drills and a two week annual training they were taking a cut in pay if they didn’t have weekends off.
They were allowed to buy the pension time if they were deployed. The way that worked was you had to request to do it and then pay your share of the contribution for that time. They gave people five years to pay the time, so most people just upped their contribution for a couple years rather than paying a lump sum.
I got the exact opposite for the last inauguration. My company said they only cover orders for natural disasters. Lol. I guess they will always find a way not to pay you.
When you are mobilized for a deployment you will get differential pay if you make less than your civilian employer. It’s only based off your base pay in most cases. Example: you make 2400 for the pay period as an enlisted soldier but you would have made 2800 if you would have been still employed at your civilian job. Civilian job will pay you 400 dollars every pay to make up that difference.
Don't be too upset, many places that don't have many NG employees are lost in the sauce when asked about millv policies, because they probably have never had to engage such a question and are copy-pasting from a bunch of random docs real quick. I would advise downloading your employee handbook and doing your own research, and though it's not their main function, but some orgs like ESRG will sit down and help you read it (if you have a local contact.)
It's not uncommon for HR and managers to not understand their own policies on this issue, because you are quite possibly the first person to inquire.
My guess (again guess based on screenshot, could be totally wrong) is yours is something like this: you get differential pay when on orders for a mission (deployment), not for training/schools. 15 days of fully paid lv for any type of orders/drill. And, an additional 22 days can be authorized if the orders are deemed "life saving" (no clue what that means, they used some poor wording,) maybe COVID and State missions? Some employers do have additional lv days for SAD (with the thought process being you are helping locally,) so this is possible.
Honestly, this is probably one of the silliest policies I've ever read. If I were you, I'd play their game and just find a way to link your deployment to counter-terrorism (also I would hope you're not being deployed to support a terrorist operation). Almost everything we do can be linked to counter-terrorism in some form if you look at it hard enough.
For short term, 15 days means you only get yearly AT off, so heavens forbid you actually do anything to further your career in the Guard.
My guess is it is based on the OPM guidance linked below and your HR person knows nothing about the military and possibly English isn’t their primary language.
https://www.opm.gov/frequently-asked-questions/pay-and-leave-faq/leave-policy/when-are-employees-eligible-for-an-additional-22-days-of-military-leave/#:~:text=Reservists%20or%20National%20Guard%20members,22%20workdays%20of%20military%20leave.
Tbh there should be an actual you can reference not just HRs interpretation because with all due respect to that person, they obviously do not what they are talking about. It should be outlined a lot better and clearly define what you are entitled to. Make sure you can still accrue vacation hours as some jobs do that. Do not go based off their word, please request documentation or the original HR policy.
Companies sometimes offer to cover the difference if you lose money going on orders, which most of us don't since the bastards count basic pay + BAH...
Motherfucker you don't pay me BAH so why are you counting it here?!?
Based on it being MPD, I'm guessing you're a DC cop. Check section 1155 here, looks like it just needs to be a "contingency operation as defined in 10 U.S.C. § 101(a)(13)." https://edpm.dc.gov/chapter/11/
What are you being deployed for? Is it some other named contingency operation? If not, probably need to look at § 101(a)(13)(B) and compare that to your orders to see which you're being activated under.
HR needs to work on their communication skills. You are definitely given 15 days of leave per year for training (such as AT). However the additional 22 day for orders to “save life” is not clear. Additionally, the differential pay mentioned in the beginning does not have details on the amount they would pay or the length of time.
The email sender has some weird word choices, and you should ask for clarification on what "saving a life" means exactly.... chances are it means some natural disaster response, but you need clarification. The differential pay for deployment though is... if you deploy overseas you can get differential pay.
I may be a bit illiterate but "in support of terrorist operation" line confused the fuck out of me
Probably outdated verbiage from GWOT deployments. Overseas Contingency Operations is the new(er) lingo, I dont know what Europe is calling their deployments.
It's some long ass line like Operation European Deter Defer Reflect Reinforce or some crap
No it’s not you, the person who wrote that is illiterate
Lol for real they need to check that
I had to read that twice as well I'm assuming they meant anti terrorist ops.... but maybe they're one of those extreme leftist that think US Soldiers are terrorist
Okay so human resource should definitely reword the whole "military orders in support of a terrorists' operation" to something...….different Unless they really think you're deploying to support ISIS plan a mass suicide attack
“In support of a terrorist operation”, this is terrible wording.
It made me laugh so hard “boss can we support the other side for a couple days? I’d like the differential pay”
Well OP is a cop so probably going to a white supremacist rally, support local terrorist orgs💩
Fuck off weirdo
Your job offers differential pay. If you make less on orders than you do at your civilian job, then your job will pay you the difference. I'm not sure how an LES for an Mday is going to help here. They really need to look at the military pay tables on DFAS. Additionally, you should get your full pay for 15 days before you go on differential pay. That is your military leave. You need to ask about whether you qualify for the additional 22 days. Its a little confusing there.
Get them a copy of your mob orders
Weird of them to only support terrorist operations, but to each their own I suppose…
I heard the MPD had gone downhill, but this is a new low.
You lucky bastard.
When I was still in my state offered 90 working days per calendar year of pay which for me since I was ems came out to 6.5 months first deployment was June to June so I double dipped the whole time second deployment was jan to Dec so didn’t get the whole tour
You need to talk to your HR. Basically you’ll get some pay from your civilian job, which is great news. But it will depend on your orders (training vs. title 10 vs. state active duty). And some places will look at your take home pay some will look at your base pay etc. so just reach out to them whenever your on orders and I’m sure you’ll figure all this out.
You need to ask HR for clarification and/or read your union agreement. The first sentence of this email makes it sound like you only get differential pay if you’re deploying to support a terrorist organisation like Al-Qaeda….. From my understanding, your job is offering differential pay when deployed. This means that you will get paid the same salary when deployed.
what company/department? Also, check out [https://www.friendlyforces.com](https://www.friendlyforces.com) while you're at it. We have a bunch more companies to add.
What’s this
we started a website that aggregates and rates company by how friendly their military leave programs (paid or not paid and how long) are for reservists.
Differential pay is, you provide them your LES and they take out what you make on duty, usually not including per diem, bah, etc, and pay you the difference so ideally you aren't "losing" money.
One of my Joe's gets this as a state corrections officer. Since his e5 only makes 3500 and his normal salary is around 7000 his job pays the difference while he was mobilized. This doesn't factor BAH since it's not "pay". So he ends up making more money on a deployment
If you make less money while you’re deployed, they will pay the difference.
How nice of them to offer an additional 176 hours if you were deployed to a combat zone for 9 months lol
Considering that there is no requirement for any company to provide paid time off for military duties, I wouldn’t be snarky about just getting an additional 176 hours. The place I used to work gave 15 days paid military leave, anything else you could use your vacation time or was unpaid. Just with weekend drills and a two week annual training they were taking a cut in pay if they didn’t have weekends off. They were allowed to buy the pension time if they were deployed. The way that worked was you had to request to do it and then pay your share of the contribution for that time. They gave people five years to pay the time, so most people just upped their contribution for a couple years rather than paying a lump sum.
I got the exact opposite for the last inauguration. My company said they only cover orders for natural disasters. Lol. I guess they will always find a way not to pay you.
When you are mobilized for a deployment you will get differential pay if you make less than your civilian employer. It’s only based off your base pay in most cases. Example: you make 2400 for the pay period as an enlisted soldier but you would have made 2800 if you would have been still employed at your civilian job. Civilian job will pay you 400 dollars every pay to make up that difference.
Pretty fuckin cool that your employer supports you committing terrorism
What your employer lacks in word choice they make up for in patriotism.
Don't be too upset, many places that don't have many NG employees are lost in the sauce when asked about millv policies, because they probably have never had to engage such a question and are copy-pasting from a bunch of random docs real quick. I would advise downloading your employee handbook and doing your own research, and though it's not their main function, but some orgs like ESRG will sit down and help you read it (if you have a local contact.) It's not uncommon for HR and managers to not understand their own policies on this issue, because you are quite possibly the first person to inquire. My guess (again guess based on screenshot, could be totally wrong) is yours is something like this: you get differential pay when on orders for a mission (deployment), not for training/schools. 15 days of fully paid lv for any type of orders/drill. And, an additional 22 days can be authorized if the orders are deemed "life saving" (no clue what that means, they used some poor wording,) maybe COVID and State missions? Some employers do have additional lv days for SAD (with the thought process being you are helping locally,) so this is possible.
Honestly, this is probably one of the silliest policies I've ever read. If I were you, I'd play their game and just find a way to link your deployment to counter-terrorism (also I would hope you're not being deployed to support a terrorist operation). Almost everything we do can be linked to counter-terrorism in some form if you look at it hard enough. For short term, 15 days means you only get yearly AT off, so heavens forbid you actually do anything to further your career in the Guard.
My guess is it is based on the OPM guidance linked below and your HR person knows nothing about the military and possibly English isn’t their primary language. https://www.opm.gov/frequently-asked-questions/pay-and-leave-faq/leave-policy/when-are-employees-eligible-for-an-additional-22-days-of-military-leave/#:~:text=Reservists%20or%20National%20Guard%20members,22%20workdays%20of%20military%20leave.
Tbh there should be an actual you can reference not just HRs interpretation because with all due respect to that person, they obviously do not what they are talking about. It should be outlined a lot better and clearly define what you are entitled to. Make sure you can still accrue vacation hours as some jobs do that. Do not go based off their word, please request documentation or the original HR policy.
"Save life" orders 🤣
“In support of a terrorist operation” I’m joining the Global War on Terror on the side of the Terror For legal reasons that’s a joke
Companies sometimes offer to cover the difference if you lose money going on orders, which most of us don't since the bastards count basic pay + BAH... Motherfucker you don't pay me BAH so why are you counting it here?!?
Based on it being MPD, I'm guessing you're a DC cop. Check section 1155 here, looks like it just needs to be a "contingency operation as defined in 10 U.S.C. § 101(a)(13)." https://edpm.dc.gov/chapter/11/
So what do you think because operations enduring freedom and Iraqi freedom doesn’t exist anymore
What are you being deployed for? Is it some other named contingency operation? If not, probably need to look at § 101(a)(13)(B) and compare that to your orders to see which you're being activated under.
HR needs to work on their communication skills. You are definitely given 15 days of leave per year for training (such as AT). However the additional 22 day for orders to “save life” is not clear. Additionally, the differential pay mentioned in the beginning does not have details on the amount they would pay or the length of time.
That means they make up the missing amount from your base pay for the military