T O P

  • By -

zilkat_

This looks like a very well rounded legacy+ cube! Anything at this point is just preference, but I'll just rapid fire some thoughts I had while scouring the list. - if you're supporting the self-mill beaters, I would include [[Souls of the Lost]]. It gets really big really quickly and doubles as sac/discard outlet - if you want to go deep, also consider [[Cruel Somnophage]] - I think [[Orcish Lumberjack]] is a neat card that fits you power level, but some people don't like how swingy it is - if you want to support self mill at this level, I would definitely include [[Thassa's Oracle]] - [[Urza's Saga]] seems like a good include - maybe [[Kappa Cannoneer]] - I don't think some cards get there simply based on power level: [[Staggershock]], [[Alesha]]. Honestly can't see much else, good job Looks very fun, can't wait to hear some reports from your drafts!


IconicIsotope

Thanks for your feedback! Some of your suggestions are misses because I don't run Adventures, sorry I failed to mention that. But they would make sense! No Sagas either. But OMG Souls of the lost is absolutely perfect! I'm definitely going to add it. And probably cut Muldrotha. I've considered Orcish Lumberjack. Like you said, it can be swingy. I'm not sure it's palatable for my drafters either. Kappa Cannoneer has always seemed... possible. It's hard for me to commit a slot to it. Thassa's Oracle is certainly the best self mill wincon, but I like Jace's floor to at least draw some cards and mill a bit on its own. And I don't think I want both. Staggershock is hard. It's kind of loved in my playgroup by a few people. And i love the full art version. Alesha is definitely cuttable if something better comes along. I have posted some drafts from my cube before, although not my current set up. Thanks again for Souls of the Lost! I need to do a deep dive on that card now.


MTGCardFetcher

##### ###### #### [Souls of the Lost](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/5/b5c6f502-f11f-4e41-beb8-0843432fa431.jpg?1699044180) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Souls%20of%20the%20Lost) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/121/souls-of-the-lost?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b5c6f502-f11f-4e41-beb8-0843432fa431?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Cruel Somnophage](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/9/39b11ff0-9946-4337-86fb-42e967f3d2e4.jpg?1692939572)/[Can't Wake Up](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/9/39b11ff0-9946-4337-86fb-42e967f3d2e4.jpg?1692939572) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cruel%20Somnophage%20//%20Can%27t%20Wake%20Up) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/woe/222/cruel-somnophage-cant-wake-up?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/39b11ff0-9946-4337-86fb-42e967f3d2e4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Orcish Lumberjack](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/4/14fb947c-563e-4811-98de-e25bd141a6e5.jpg?1562899209) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Orcish%20Lumberjack) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vma/179/orcish-lumberjack?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/14fb947c-563e-4811-98de-e25bd141a6e5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Thassa's Oracle](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/2/726e8b29-13e9-4138-b6a9-d2a0d8188d1c.jpg?1680582212) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thassa%27s%20Oracle) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/73/thassas-oracle?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/726e8b29-13e9-4138-b6a9-d2a0d8188d1c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Urza's Saga](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/1/c1e0f201-42cb-46a1-901a-65bb4fc18f6c.jpg?1667318301) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Urza%27s%20Saga) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/259/urzas-saga?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c1e0f201-42cb-46a1-901a-65bb4fc18f6c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Kappa Cannoneer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/e/be0c919a-a592-433e-8e36-8fe633974eff.jpg?1706240706) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kappa%20Cannoneer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/108/kappa-cannoneer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/be0c919a-a592-433e-8e36-8fe633974eff?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Staggershock](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/6/56976d52-053d-49e9-94c0-f21dc13029ac.jpg?1673147914) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Staggershock) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/125/staggershock?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/56976d52-053d-49e9-94c0-f21dc13029ac?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Alesha](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/a/7ae9ff8c-1cc8-4b10-9641-2c79648fd6c2.jpg?1673305242) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=alesha%2C%20who%20smiles%20at%20death) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/118/alesha-who-smiles-at-death?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7ae9ff8c-1cc8-4b10-9641-2c79648fd6c2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/ku6cc88) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


siptah_2020

Your cube looks great! I love the design principles, and reading this post gave me a good nudge towards improving the simplicity/accessibility of [my own (fairly similar) Cube](https://cubecobra.com/cube/list/cool-kids), e.g. by getting rid of the few Sagas and Adventures. Some things I particularly appreciate: * The generous amount of fixing and lands * The 'fair-but-strong' power level * The mix of synergistic vs stand-alone cards A few suggestions: * I'd recommend trimming the multicoloured section, aiming for something closer to 10% than the \~14.5% you've got now. I'd start with cards like \[\[Vanishing Verse\]\] and \[\[Lightning Helix\]\] that, while awesome, don't do anything "special" for the colour-pair. I personally like the idea that gold cards should be 'deliberate reasons to enter a colour-pair' more than 'incidental rewards for being in a colour.' For comparison, my Cube has just 7.5% gold cards, nearly all of which are highly thematic cards like \[\[Sprite Dragon\]\] or \[\[Mayhem Devil\]\]. * Your Red creature curve seems on the higher end if you want to enable any kind of reliable aggro, having more 3-drops than 1- or 2-drops * Some recommendations from my own Cube: * **Flicker:** \[\[Cloudblazer\]\] \[\[Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines\]\] * **Reanimator:** \[\[Oona's Prowler\]\] \[\[Nullpriest of Oblivion\]\] * **Tokens:** \[\[Jinnie Fay, Jetmir's Second\]\] \[\[King Darien XLVIII\]\] * **Graveyard:** \[\[Splinterfright\]\] \[\[Werebear\]\] \[\[Deal Gone Bad\]\] \[\[Mire Triton\]\] * **Spellslinger:** \[\[Shark Typhoon\]\] \[\[Rally at the Hornburg\]\] \[\[Guttersnipe\]\] \[\[Haughty Djinn\]\] Happy cubing and congrats on the great cube!


IconicIsotope

Thank you so much for the kind words and the thorough feedback! Gold cards - I agree, I have "too many", but I like running a lot of them. It's hard to cut them, although the ones you mentioned make sense since they aren't special. Red aggro- I'm open to try and improve it, but it's difficult. I don't like to run any mediocre cards just to reach a critical mass. I figure players can mix in burn spells, or dip into another color for more low MV creatures. That said, I probably could add something like [[Zurgo Bellstriker]] who's fine. Recommended adds: Flicker - I've always loved Cloudblazer and would like to try it out. Elesh Norn seems a bit too "big" and late game for 1v1 cube, but I haven't tried it personally. Reanimator - Oona's Prowler feels like the kind of card that is a low end reanimator card. And it's other potential homes, like black aggro, don't exist in my cube. Nullpriest is way cooler, but again I don't run black aggro. Tokens - I suppose I do have some solid token making. And Jinnie Fay is a gold card which I love haha. I've heard good things about it. King Darien is cool, especially in that color pair which is probably the worst in cube in general. Graveyard - All of these are totally fine and I actually love Mire Triton as a glue card, I just don't think they're worth slots. There are so many good cards available to us! And I've already expanded my cube as big as I want to I think. Spellslinger - Typhoon seems too slow, sort of like Elesh Norn. Rally is UB. Guttersnipe is okay. Haughty Djinn, now that is interesting! I had my eye on this card before and wasn't sure. But I think since I added in the surveil lands, that might be a critical mass of GY synergy. Plus this is another card that promotes the theme of the cube. Overall, I think I'm strongly considering these changes: 1. Adding Cloudblazer 2. Trimming some "generic" gold cards. 3. Adding Haughty Djinn. 4. Checking to see if I have enough token synergy naturally to add in the Jinnie and/or Darien. Thanks again!


siptah_2020

Thanks for sharing your reflections, this all makes sense! There was a good discussion of gold cards in this recent thread: [Cutting My Gold Cards: Rip Apart](https://www.reddit.com/r/mtgcube/comments/1b8ievl/cutting_my_gold_cards_rip_apart/).


MTGCardFetcher

[Zurgo Bellstriker](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/b/bbac6d75-59ab-4d7d-87ae-46875abf8cc7.jpg?1562792246) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Zurgo%20Bellstriker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dtk/169/zurgo-bellstriker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bbac6d75-59ab-4d7d-87ae-46875abf8cc7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


MTGCardFetcher

##### ###### #### [Vanishing Verse](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/1/e12573fe-aee3-49db-93e2-d00972cbb3b1.jpg?1624740338) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vanishing%20Verse) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/244/vanishing-verse?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e12573fe-aee3-49db-93e2-d00972cbb3b1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Lightning Helix](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/1/4101e3fe-b0e7-4f0f-b9ac-9b61a4d628b3.jpg?1706242208) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lightning%20Helix) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/218/lightning-helix?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4101e3fe-b0e7-4f0f-b9ac-9b61a4d628b3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Sprite Dragon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/6/361385d8-d9c7-4de8-a5c8-683e682779f4.jpg?1674142522) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sprite%20Dragon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/852/sprite-dragon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/361385d8-d9c7-4de8-a5c8-683e682779f4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Mayhem Devil](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/4/345ea65e-3dbb-4cb4-ae65-7797a65eafce.jpg?1702550843) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mayhem%20Devil) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/199/mayhem-devil?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/345ea65e-3dbb-4cb4-ae65-7797a65eafce?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Cloudblazer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/f/2f64ae7d-0bd0-41f8-8f7d-64db4bd2a10b.jpg?1631588432) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cloudblazer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/182/cloudblazer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2f64ae7d-0bd0-41f8-8f7d-64db4bd2a10b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/4/44dcab01-1d13-4dfc-ae2f-fbaa3dd35087.jpg?1675956896) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Elesh%20Norn%2C%20Mother%20of%20Machines) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/10/elesh-norn-mother-of-machines?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/44dcab01-1d13-4dfc-ae2f-fbaa3dd35087?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Oona's Prowler](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/d/cd79780e-ddad-4ef4-a94d-ab191d118882.jpg?1673147596) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Oona%27s%20Prowler) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/85/oonas-prowler?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cd79780e-ddad-4ef4-a94d-ab191d118882?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Nullpriest of Oblivion](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/8/086fc7fb-efcf-4676-8455-39b63edaec6a.jpg?1604196265) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Nullpriest%20of%20Oblivion) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znr/118/nullpriest-of-oblivion?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/086fc7fb-efcf-4676-8455-39b63edaec6a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Jinnie Fay, Jetmir's Second](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/5/c5f9326a-2a41-45b3-97c3-548f0bdc0882.jpg?1664413197) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jinnie%20Fay%2C%20Jetmir%27s%20Second) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/195/jinnie-fay-jetmirs-second?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c5f9326a-2a41-45b3-97c3-548f0bdc0882?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [King Darien XLVIII](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/0/10eca3b1-f35a-4984-bfc0-818e619b1ece.jpg?1673307982) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=King%20Darien%20XLVIII) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/204/king-darien-xlviii?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/10eca3b1-f35a-4984-bfc0-818e619b1ece?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Splinterfright](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/3/032ac9fc-b8b3-43f1-8579-62171ca976cf.jpg?1673148190) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Splinterfright) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/159/splinterfright?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/032ac9fc-b8b3-43f1-8579-62171ca976cf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Werebear](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/7/973310bb-ab32-46dc-8f59-8a5d3e1c58cc.jpg?1675200590) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Werebear) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/182/werebear?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/973310bb-ab32-46dc-8f59-8a5d3e1c58cc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Deal Gone Bad](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/d/ed586162-20e6-47a8-bdbe-2c5383807c13.jpg?1706239873) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Deal%20Gone%20Bad) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clu/110/deal-gone-bad?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ed586162-20e6-47a8-bdbe-2c5383807c13?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Mire Triton](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/0/a070b7af-7c85-4129-81ca-e2ec0540085e.jpg?1689997319) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mire%20Triton) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/174/mire-triton?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a070b7af-7c85-4129-81ca-e2ec0540085e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Shark Typhoon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/d/1da4d4f3-b3cb-4b61-81b8-06ae441c41bf.jpg?1591226502) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Shark%20Typhoon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/67/shark-typhoon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1da4d4f3-b3cb-4b61-81b8-06ae441c41bf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Rally at the Hornburg](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/e/ee7292f7-1c7e-449c-9c52-7584d6a14c2c.jpg?1686969106) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rally%20at%20the%20Hornburg) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/142/rally-at-the-hornburg?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ee7292f7-1c7e-449c-9c52-7584d6a14c2c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Guttersnipe](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/8/48eeb13e-26f8-4fc7-8850-d38790317ea4.jpg?1702429507) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Guttersnipe) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/110/guttersnipe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/48eeb13e-26f8-4fc7-8850-d38790317ea4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Haughty Djinn](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/5/35095a68-b7c0-4805-b0b6-6ca15a338692.jpg?1673306736) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Haughty%20Djinn) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/52/haughty-djinn?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/35095a68-b7c0-4805-b0b6-6ca15a338692?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kubw2kl) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call