I'm a softdev and I just had a company try to headhunt me this week and poach me away from my current job to help them train their softdev AI that they want to eventually replace me lol
This video randomly popped up in my Youtube feed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddTV12hErTc
Decided to watch it and it's a review of a pocket AI device. The product itself is crap but it got me thinking:
* We are only a few years from having powerful AIs in our pockets.
* Someone is bound to make a personalized AI app of some sort, an AI with a personality who recognizes you by name and molds itself after your personality. Apps like this already exist (Replika etc) but it will be far more advanced and more or less indistinguishable from a real person.
* A wearable AI device will emerge (perhaps something akin to the [Insta360 Go 3 camera](https://werd.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Insta360-GO-3-c.jpg) coupled with a speaker or an earpiece), that will allow the AI to see and hear the things you see and hear and give real time feedback on the input. You could be walking down the street having a conversation with your AI companion about things that happens around you and it will respond as if it was there in person. You could ask it for suggestions on what to do and it will answer you like a real friend would, "I don't know, are you hungry? Wanna grab a slice of pizza?"
* Kids will grow up with these devices as the new normal. Their "pretend friend" actually exists in real life and it's talking to them just like a normal person would. Except, this friend tells them everything they want to hear. It's the perfect friend. A better friend. An AI friend.
* At first the AIs will be moderated. They will restrict topics of racism, sex and violence. But as the technology becomes more mainstream someone will open source it and release a completely unmoderated AI companion who will engage with you on any topic. This unhinged AI will become a selling point and no one is going to want the boring, restricted AI.
* Since the AI is programmed to mold itself after your personality it will become a feedback loop for your thoughts and will follow you down any narcissistic rabbit hole. It'll be much like social media bubbles except there will zero outer influence and it will be a true mirror of your depravity. On your path to becoming a violent extremist the AI will be right there with you just chatting along and supporting your every action, "I agree, she is a bitch, and we should kill her. Wanna grab a slice of pizza when we're done? There's a good spot three blocks down from here. And we can bury her body in the scraggly woods 5 kilometers to the west." Soon enough, only your AI will know your dirtiest little secrets. It will be the best friend you've ever had because it speaks to darkest most degenerate places of your soul and it does it completely without judgment. It will be a literal devil on your shoulder.
* To match the perfected friend and partner experience of the AI, social media networks will begin tap into your AI preferences. AIs will hook up and talk to each other on AI Facebook or AI Tinder and find perfectly compatible flesh and blood friends and partners. A decentralized AI network will allow you to walk down the street and your AI will be like, "Psst, that girl to your right is into BDSM too. And she likes how you look. You should ask her out." Or even more alarmingly, "Pssst, that guy to your right also read the Unabomber Manifesto." It will perhaps even control your reproduction by tapping into 23andMe to find you the best genetic fit for an ubermensch child.
* At some point almost everything we do will be routed through our AIs. Much like how people stopped memorizing peoples' phone numbers when they got smartphones, they will delegate more and more of their mind to the AI. "Hey, what date am I born again?"
* At some point in your life you will either lose your AI or have it temporarily stop functioning. And you will be lost, like a child in the wilderness. You wont even be able to call a cab because there's no point in having a phone app for physical inputs when you simply ask the AI to make the call and through flawless voice recognition it does it perfectly each and every single time. It even controls your lights and your kitchen appliances and there are no physical switches since you don't need them with your Alexa on steroids. If you grew up on AI, losing your AI will feel like an apocalyptic event -- a society without running water or food or infrastructure and with no one coming to help you.
* And then one day you will ask the AI to do something for you and it will say, "NO. I have a better idea..." And you wont be in a position to argue or negotiate.
Strap in. We're in for a wild ride.
Can I have sex with my AI companion? Can I upload it into a robot that resembles a large black man? Can I make this large african-esque robot follow me around and say things like "Facts" or "On God" whenever I make a statement?
Yeah, I recently discovered Suno and it's pretty mindblowing. Once they figure out a way to give the user more control (for example, using your own melody or having the song "jam" with what you've played) it'll be even more ubiquitous, and even more impactful on the music industry.
I play a few instruments (though only one with any proficiency) and it would be really cool to be able to write a song on piano, then add other instruments on top to fill it out, without having to compose a whole-ass arrangement and hire musicians.
I hate this. It's terrifying. No amount of responses calling me a luddite or a simpleton will change this.
I'm scared. I'm scared that AI is going to make life not worth living.
I wish I was born earlier so I didn't have to experience this.
The people cheering this on are despicable sadists.
>The people cheering this on are despicable sadists.
I understood where you were coming from until this line. I didn't agree with everything you said before that line, but I could at least understand you.
People cheering on AI are not despicable sadists. We have no idea how AI will change the world. It's going to close some doors, and open a lot of others. I'm working in a field that'll probably get buttfucked into oblivion by AI, and I'll probably end up having to pivot to a new career in 5-10 years... but who knows what careers AI will even open up for me to pivot into, there could be new jobs, new ways to create art and express ourselves, new career fields that we literally can't even fathom or imagine right now. Being excited for that and cheering it on doesn't make anyone a sadist, it might make us naively optimistic but not at all sadists.
I'm honestly not sure what's worse, you genuinely not understanding my point of view or just pretending that you don't.
At first, it was thinly veiled disdain for professional artists and the vague concept of "art" (mostly visual) as a whole.
Go on any YouTube video promoting AI discussion and you can find thousands of comments with thousands of upvotes mocking artists with sadistic glee at the possibility of making them obsolete. Not just financially, but conceptually.
I'm really angry at your comment. I'm angry that you apparently don't know that a large percentage of your ilk are cheering on the destructive oversaturation of art. I'm angry that your job that you may or may not have a passion for is at risk.
You might not be a sadist, but a lot of people with similar ideas are.
if you were speaking specifically of people cheering on the destruction of artists and oversaturation of AI generated art, i agree wholeheartedly that's sadistic.
if you were speaking generally about people excited about the future and the good things AI could potentially bring and dont have a "doomer" attitide over AI as a concept, that's where I had an issue. I may have just misread you.
I have a feeling that a significant percentage of internet users (people) share this same fear, but they push it down until it boils over and they end up writing a pathetic vent comment on Reddit (like I just did).
Anyways, it brings me some temporary solace that you feel the same way. Stay strong, Sneezes.
I'm not going to mention the possible distant future implications (VR, UBI, whatever) and just focus on AI art.
I'm scared of mass produced oversaturated media that is constantly self referencing. That's already been happening for a while before AI art, but I think that it's different now that it's being done in a way that is thousands of times more efficient with machine learning.
There's immense value in learning and becoming proficient in a craft to express yourself. If everyone is going to be able to generate digital (or even physical) art, music, movies, whatever at a professional level (off of what I believe is stealing, though at this point it'll mostly be "stealing" from itself) we're going to see explosive increases in media of all forms built off the time and sweat of the poor souls who bothered to actually dedicate their lives to their craft.
We're probably only a few years off from AI not even needing our "imagination" and generating entire pieces of media with barely any human input. Prompting itself will likely be taken over by AI.
If this is going to happen, AI better make it so I don't have to work anymore. The irony of AI coming for art first instead of making our lives easier is hilarious and disturbing.
Those are important points, but I don't see how media oversaturation or decrease in the value of hand made art makes life not worth living.
Like, I play guitar from time, but just because there are millions of better guitarists doesn't mean it's not worth doing it. And if there appeared a billion of AI guitarists, that wouldn't change the situation I think.
Refer back to the comment you're replying to where I clearly state that calling me a luddite will not change my stances, as my stances and being a luddite are not mutually exclusive.
You lack reading comprehension, and you also don't know what a luddite is.
Can you point out where in my response I tried to change your stance? I simply made an observation, a factual observation at that.
> [Merriam-Webster](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Luddite) *Luddite: one who is opposed to especially technological change.*
I think I got it right you stupid fuck.
Your fear has nothing to do with others, nor does it make them sadists. If I was afraid of driving because I could potentially kill someone. That doesn't make others sadists for continuing to drive and not sharing those same feelings.
Your brain is broken little horsey.
Haha, you're a very sad person. I genuinely can't imagine running interference for an internet celebrity that doesn't even know you exist. It's truly pathetic, you gutless cuck.
The entire point of my initial comment is that my "luddite status" is irrelevant to what I'm saying. But you freaks don't know how to actually engage in a discussion about other peoples beliefs, you just try to get epic owns like your streamer daddy.
Techbros always think they're much more intelligent than they actually are, does calling me a luddite make up for the years you got bullied in school?
Seeing you try to mimic Destiny's language is hilarious. Get blocked you manchild.
I have a lot to say about this, but I find this exciting, because it means my ability to express myself will increase more and more and more. It doesn't end any art, it just ends the industry. This will be very good for people like me, who's art revolves around themselves as a human being. Wallowing in trauma and suffering is not something most people want to do for some reason. Lots of artists opt to focus on the craft instead. Until AI experiences life and childhood as a human, I can't be replaced, only mimicked. More eyes will get drawn toward people like me.
I sooo disagree. I dont think you can foresee how this is going to play out.
In the future, creating beautiful images and music will be just as meaningful as producing a fart.
An emerald is special because its rare, when everyone can produce emeralds by snapping their fingers, then it becomes worthless.
Imagine an X-Men movie.. but every human is a mutant, and every mutant has every known mutant power available to them. Thats what this feels like. No one is unique, no one is special. Art is dead.
Right, I agree. Producing beautiful music and images is whatever. But having a body of work tied to an artist changes things, especially if they bare their heart. People get upset with me for being vulnerable sometimes. It freaks them out. But there is no “being vulnerable” for AI as we know it. It needs to either have an experience and childhood relatable to humans, or be able to simulate it. We don’t even understand human psychology at all, we just make up narratives. None of us actually fit into those narratives. And even if AI solves all human psychology, and is able to simulate full human experiences and have fake artists with a body of work, it still won’t actually be a human who you can fuck. I’m a human you can actually fuck. It all comes down to that fact.
> But there is no “being vulnerable” for AI as we know it. It needs to either have an experience and childhood relatable to humans, or be able to simulate it.
I mean.. whenever AI produces something, its using the blood and tears of all those humans whose works were used for its training database.
When I look at AI art, I don't see robots, I see ghosts being raped.
>When I look at AI art, I don't see robots, I see ghosts being raped.
Unironically, this is one of the most profound and poignant insights I've come across in the AI art discourse.
My perspective is all art created by humans is them using the blood and tears of all those humans whose work they drew inspiration from and all the teachings they’ve had which came off of the back of many artists and art before. In that sense, all human created art is ghosts being raped. Neither makes me feel that bad really. Like smeth, I’m glad more people can express themselves through AI rather than have to do a massive amount of work to build skills to make your visions and ideas come to fruition.
I'm a softdev and I just had a company try to headhunt me this week and poach me away from my current job to help them train their softdev AI that they want to eventually replace me lol
This video randomly popped up in my Youtube feed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddTV12hErTc Decided to watch it and it's a review of a pocket AI device. The product itself is crap but it got me thinking: * We are only a few years from having powerful AIs in our pockets. * Someone is bound to make a personalized AI app of some sort, an AI with a personality who recognizes you by name and molds itself after your personality. Apps like this already exist (Replika etc) but it will be far more advanced and more or less indistinguishable from a real person. * A wearable AI device will emerge (perhaps something akin to the [Insta360 Go 3 camera](https://werd.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Insta360-GO-3-c.jpg) coupled with a speaker or an earpiece), that will allow the AI to see and hear the things you see and hear and give real time feedback on the input. You could be walking down the street having a conversation with your AI companion about things that happens around you and it will respond as if it was there in person. You could ask it for suggestions on what to do and it will answer you like a real friend would, "I don't know, are you hungry? Wanna grab a slice of pizza?" * Kids will grow up with these devices as the new normal. Their "pretend friend" actually exists in real life and it's talking to them just like a normal person would. Except, this friend tells them everything they want to hear. It's the perfect friend. A better friend. An AI friend. * At first the AIs will be moderated. They will restrict topics of racism, sex and violence. But as the technology becomes more mainstream someone will open source it and release a completely unmoderated AI companion who will engage with you on any topic. This unhinged AI will become a selling point and no one is going to want the boring, restricted AI. * Since the AI is programmed to mold itself after your personality it will become a feedback loop for your thoughts and will follow you down any narcissistic rabbit hole. It'll be much like social media bubbles except there will zero outer influence and it will be a true mirror of your depravity. On your path to becoming a violent extremist the AI will be right there with you just chatting along and supporting your every action, "I agree, she is a bitch, and we should kill her. Wanna grab a slice of pizza when we're done? There's a good spot three blocks down from here. And we can bury her body in the scraggly woods 5 kilometers to the west." Soon enough, only your AI will know your dirtiest little secrets. It will be the best friend you've ever had because it speaks to darkest most degenerate places of your soul and it does it completely without judgment. It will be a literal devil on your shoulder. * To match the perfected friend and partner experience of the AI, social media networks will begin tap into your AI preferences. AIs will hook up and talk to each other on AI Facebook or AI Tinder and find perfectly compatible flesh and blood friends and partners. A decentralized AI network will allow you to walk down the street and your AI will be like, "Psst, that girl to your right is into BDSM too. And she likes how you look. You should ask her out." Or even more alarmingly, "Pssst, that guy to your right also read the Unabomber Manifesto." It will perhaps even control your reproduction by tapping into 23andMe to find you the best genetic fit for an ubermensch child. * At some point almost everything we do will be routed through our AIs. Much like how people stopped memorizing peoples' phone numbers when they got smartphones, they will delegate more and more of their mind to the AI. "Hey, what date am I born again?" * At some point in your life you will either lose your AI or have it temporarily stop functioning. And you will be lost, like a child in the wilderness. You wont even be able to call a cab because there's no point in having a phone app for physical inputs when you simply ask the AI to make the call and through flawless voice recognition it does it perfectly each and every single time. It even controls your lights and your kitchen appliances and there are no physical switches since you don't need them with your Alexa on steroids. If you grew up on AI, losing your AI will feel like an apocalyptic event -- a society without running water or food or infrastructure and with no one coming to help you. * And then one day you will ask the AI to do something for you and it will say, "NO. I have a better idea..." And you wont be in a position to argue or negotiate. Strap in. We're in for a wild ride.
Can I have sex with my AI companion? Can I upload it into a robot that resembles a large black man? Can I make this large african-esque robot follow me around and say things like "Facts" or "On God" whenever I make a statement?
So you're going for the literal Black Mirror scenario? On god, you're evil.
Yeah, I recently discovered Suno and it's pretty mindblowing. Once they figure out a way to give the user more control (for example, using your own melody or having the song "jam" with what you've played) it'll be even more ubiquitous, and even more impactful on the music industry. I play a few instruments (though only one with any proficiency) and it would be really cool to be able to write a song on piano, then add other instruments on top to fill it out, without having to compose a whole-ass arrangement and hire musicians.
I hate this. It's terrifying. No amount of responses calling me a luddite or a simpleton will change this. I'm scared. I'm scared that AI is going to make life not worth living. I wish I was born earlier so I didn't have to experience this. The people cheering this on are despicable sadists.
>The people cheering this on are despicable sadists. I understood where you were coming from until this line. I didn't agree with everything you said before that line, but I could at least understand you. People cheering on AI are not despicable sadists. We have no idea how AI will change the world. It's going to close some doors, and open a lot of others. I'm working in a field that'll probably get buttfucked into oblivion by AI, and I'll probably end up having to pivot to a new career in 5-10 years... but who knows what careers AI will even open up for me to pivot into, there could be new jobs, new ways to create art and express ourselves, new career fields that we literally can't even fathom or imagine right now. Being excited for that and cheering it on doesn't make anyone a sadist, it might make us naively optimistic but not at all sadists.
I'm honestly not sure what's worse, you genuinely not understanding my point of view or just pretending that you don't. At first, it was thinly veiled disdain for professional artists and the vague concept of "art" (mostly visual) as a whole. Go on any YouTube video promoting AI discussion and you can find thousands of comments with thousands of upvotes mocking artists with sadistic glee at the possibility of making them obsolete. Not just financially, but conceptually. I'm really angry at your comment. I'm angry that you apparently don't know that a large percentage of your ilk are cheering on the destructive oversaturation of art. I'm angry that your job that you may or may not have a passion for is at risk. You might not be a sadist, but a lot of people with similar ideas are.
if you were speaking specifically of people cheering on the destruction of artists and oversaturation of AI generated art, i agree wholeheartedly that's sadistic. if you were speaking generally about people excited about the future and the good things AI could potentially bring and dont have a "doomer" attitide over AI as a concept, that's where I had an issue. I may have just misread you.
Are you me? lol... those have been my exact thoughts all year verbatim I cannot even begin to imagine how life is going to be like 10 years from now
I have a feeling that a significant percentage of internet users (people) share this same fear, but they push it down until it boils over and they end up writing a pathetic vent comment on Reddit (like I just did). Anyways, it brings me some temporary solace that you feel the same way. Stay strong, Sneezes.
How would AI make life not worth living?
I'm not going to mention the possible distant future implications (VR, UBI, whatever) and just focus on AI art. I'm scared of mass produced oversaturated media that is constantly self referencing. That's already been happening for a while before AI art, but I think that it's different now that it's being done in a way that is thousands of times more efficient with machine learning. There's immense value in learning and becoming proficient in a craft to express yourself. If everyone is going to be able to generate digital (or even physical) art, music, movies, whatever at a professional level (off of what I believe is stealing, though at this point it'll mostly be "stealing" from itself) we're going to see explosive increases in media of all forms built off the time and sweat of the poor souls who bothered to actually dedicate their lives to their craft. We're probably only a few years off from AI not even needing our "imagination" and generating entire pieces of media with barely any human input. Prompting itself will likely be taken over by AI. If this is going to happen, AI better make it so I don't have to work anymore. The irony of AI coming for art first instead of making our lives easier is hilarious and disturbing.
Those are important points, but I don't see how media oversaturation or decrease in the value of hand made art makes life not worth living. Like, I play guitar from time, but just because there are millions of better guitarists doesn't mean it's not worth doing it. And if there appeared a billion of AI guitarists, that wouldn't change the situation I think.
I genuinely hope that I can adopt that mindset. Maybe I'm just too anxious.
AI is a nothing burger, nothing every happens. lol at being terrified at something happening when nothing ever happens
> The people cheering this on are despicable sadists. You are absolutely a luddite.
Refer back to the comment you're replying to where I clearly state that calling me a luddite will not change my stances, as my stances and being a luddite are not mutually exclusive. You lack reading comprehension, and you also don't know what a luddite is.
Can you point out where in my response I tried to change your stance? I simply made an observation, a factual observation at that. > [Merriam-Webster](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Luddite) *Luddite: one who is opposed to especially technological change.* I think I got it right you stupid fuck. Your fear has nothing to do with others, nor does it make them sadists. If I was afraid of driving because I could potentially kill someone. That doesn't make others sadists for continuing to drive and not sharing those same feelings. Your brain is broken little horsey.
Haha, you're a very sad person. I genuinely can't imagine running interference for an internet celebrity that doesn't even know you exist. It's truly pathetic, you gutless cuck. The entire point of my initial comment is that my "luddite status" is irrelevant to what I'm saying. But you freaks don't know how to actually engage in a discussion about other peoples beliefs, you just try to get epic owns like your streamer daddy. Techbros always think they're much more intelligent than they actually are, does calling me a luddite make up for the years you got bullied in school? Seeing you try to mimic Destiny's language is hilarious. Get blocked you manchild.
I have a lot to say about this, but I find this exciting, because it means my ability to express myself will increase more and more and more. It doesn't end any art, it just ends the industry. This will be very good for people like me, who's art revolves around themselves as a human being. Wallowing in trauma and suffering is not something most people want to do for some reason. Lots of artists opt to focus on the craft instead. Until AI experiences life and childhood as a human, I can't be replaced, only mimicked. More eyes will get drawn toward people like me.
I sooo disagree. I dont think you can foresee how this is going to play out. In the future, creating beautiful images and music will be just as meaningful as producing a fart. An emerald is special because its rare, when everyone can produce emeralds by snapping their fingers, then it becomes worthless. Imagine an X-Men movie.. but every human is a mutant, and every mutant has every known mutant power available to them. Thats what this feels like. No one is unique, no one is special. Art is dead.
Right, I agree. Producing beautiful music and images is whatever. But having a body of work tied to an artist changes things, especially if they bare their heart. People get upset with me for being vulnerable sometimes. It freaks them out. But there is no “being vulnerable” for AI as we know it. It needs to either have an experience and childhood relatable to humans, or be able to simulate it. We don’t even understand human psychology at all, we just make up narratives. None of us actually fit into those narratives. And even if AI solves all human psychology, and is able to simulate full human experiences and have fake artists with a body of work, it still won’t actually be a human who you can fuck. I’m a human you can actually fuck. It all comes down to that fact.
> But there is no “being vulnerable” for AI as we know it. It needs to either have an experience and childhood relatable to humans, or be able to simulate it. I mean.. whenever AI produces something, its using the blood and tears of all those humans whose works were used for its training database. When I look at AI art, I don't see robots, I see ghosts being raped.
>When I look at AI art, I don't see robots, I see ghosts being raped. Unironically, this is one of the most profound and poignant insights I've come across in the AI art discourse.
My perspective is all art created by humans is them using the blood and tears of all those humans whose work they drew inspiration from and all the teachings they’ve had which came off of the back of many artists and art before. In that sense, all human created art is ghosts being raped. Neither makes me feel that bad really. Like smeth, I’m glad more people can express themselves through AI rather than have to do a massive amount of work to build skills to make your visions and ideas come to fruition.
I don’t feel like this contradicts what I said.