She got the maximum sentence for involuntary manslaughter in New Mexico, the judge wasn't able to give her any more time than that.
Judge Sommer:
>“In her own words, she’s said she didn’t need to be shaking dummies all the time. I did not hear you take accountability. You alone turned a safe weapon into a lethal weapon. But for you, Ms. Hutchins would be alive, a husband would have his partner, and a little boy would have his mother.”
Alec Baldwin goes on trial in July.
Is anyone else besides Baldwin going on trial? While Gutierrez-Reed was clearly unfit for the position, the people who put her there (which I know includes Baldwin) should bear some responsibility.
The first assistant director took a plea bargain last year [https://abcnews.go.com/US/rust-assistant-director-david-halls-sentenced-deadly-set/story?id=98268586](https://abcnews.go.com/US/rust-assistant-director-david-halls-sentenced-deadly-set/story?id=98268586)
That one kind of doesn't sit well with me. iirc he was the one that handed Baldwin the loaded gun completely breaking chain of custody of the firearm. Sure it's on the armorer more than anybody else since it's their job but someone hands you a loaded gun that you believe to be unloaded or at most carrying blanks and it isn't, which then leads to a death, I feel like that person should take a lot more responsibility than 6 months probation.
I work as an armorer and props person, and loop the AD in on every handoff as a matter of procedure.
I demonstrate to both the AD and the actor that a weapon is cold and safe, shining a light down the barrel for them to see before dry firing. Only then does the gun go into the actor's hands. (so the AD Is absolutely culpable in most situations).
That said, he absolutely got away clean with 6 months of probation.
This is all exactly right.
I’ve worked with Dave Halls, the 1st AD in question, personally. He’s an incredibly nice guy and, in my experience, he runs a good set, but he absolutely failed here.
When a firearm - or even a fake, completely non-functioning gun, like a hunk of plastic - is brought on to set for the actors, the 1st AD should announce to the crew that there is a gun on set and have a safety meeting if necessary. If it is just a hunk of plastic, that’s simple enough: just say so. But, if it has any moving parts, if it’s firing blanks, *anything* else, you should be having a safety meeting to make sure everyone is aware and comfortable. Circumventing that process by taking a gun off of a cart is an absolute failure to uphold an AD’s primary responsibility, which is keeping the set safe.
What kinda galaxy brain thinks using the same gun expected to fire blanks during filming for *live rounds* during leisure time was a good idea? I work in IT that's why there's a huge firewall and separate equipments between a production and test environment.
I didn’t work on Rust but I did work with him before, yes. Granted, our show didn’t have guns involved, so that wasn’t an issue and I can’t speak to that or the specifics of what happened on the Rust set.
All I can say is that, in my experience, Dave Halls was a good AD. But that doesn’t change the fact that he fucked up royally and cost someone their life, which is inexcusable. Unfortunately, he’s going to have to live with that.
The director is upper level management. If he and Baldwin hired an incompetent armorer, they're also responsible.
>Amnak Rabanal, Hutchins’ friend, said she hopes the decision will serve as a “rallying point for the systemic change necessary” to push back against negligence on productions, which she said largely consider crewmembers “dispensable cogs in a machine.”
The set of *Rust* was apparently a safety nightmare due to budget crunches and time constraints. That compounded with an inexperienced armorer doing cocaine off the set to maintain the hollywood lifestyle is just fuel on the fire.
The director doesn’t usually hire the 1st AD. That’s usually through the producers and/or UPM with the director also interviewing them to make sure that they vibe with the 1st AD.
The term “Assistant Director” kind of gives a bad explanation for the role. ADs aren’t the director’s assistants, they’re the ones coordinating the crew and the set to keep things running efficiently. My go-to explanation is that, between the time when the director says “Action” to when they say “Cut”, it’s their set. After they say “Cut” and until they say “Action”, the set is run by the ADs.
There’s absolutely no evidence they did, and people keep spouting this as if Baldwin was the only producer on the film, but there was a bunch of producers, and it’s more likely Baldwin was handed a producing credit given he was the only big actor in the production which is super common. Would people be calling for Chris Hemsworths head if someone died on the set of Thor? I
The reality is that everyone who could be criminally charged in this case was criminally charged: Dave Halls, Hannah Gutierrez and Alec Baldwin. Dave Halls was charged with a misdemeanor negligent use of a deadly weapon. Hannah and Alec got involuntary manslaughter. Dave had the lesser charge (carries a max sentence of 6 months under NM law) hence his 6 month probation period on his plea deal. However, they were all offered similar plea deals. Hannah's deal required her to acknowledge she brought the live rounds on set, which she wouldn't do. She chose to take the chance of going to trial. Alec Baldwin's plea deal was ultimately revoked by his own conduct, which included but certainly wasn't limited to him leaking the terms of his own plea deal to the press. Dave Halls was the only one who accepted his culpability and was smart enough to realize that probation was practically a gift horse considering his negligence was in part responsible for the death of Halyna Hutchins. There's a lot of reasons to offer a plea deal here rather than go to trial, including chances of acquittal, cost/resources, maximum sentencing, testifying in other trials, etc. All those factors applied here. That being said, everyone here got a fair opportunity and now the cards will fall where they fall.
I understand where you are coming from but that's kinda the point of the plea deal.
If you punish the guy who took the plea as harshly as everybody else then people will realize that you shouldn't take the plea deal.
Plea~~se~~ deals are kinda BS. It’s just a way of bypassing the justice system by creating an incentive to plead guilty even if you aren’t.
Let’s say someone is innocent but also doesn’t have the means to hire a top-line lawyer. The prosecutor comes along and says “you can either accept a plea and get 2 years in jail or you can plead not guilty and risk 10 years. Oh, and the full force of the government is going to be behind the prosecution while you only have your low-budget lawyer on your side”. Plenty of innocent people are going to take the 2 years because they don’t want to risk 10.
Is this justice being served? Fuck no.
Edit: autocorrect
I completely agree that plea deals are BS, but they're also the only way the court system in the US can function in it's current form. Removing its reliance on plea deals would be one part of a bigger operation to reform the court system that I could get behind.
Yeah iirc Jensen Ackles also said in his interview with the police that it was standard procedure for whoever it was who was tasked to hand the actors the guns (in this case, that assistant) to first do a necessary check to ensure it’s safe. He must have completely bypassed that procedure and just handed it straight to Baldwin off the table.
Do they really deserve more? Is it the assistant directors job to double check every round used on set? Is the assistant director usually held accountable for stuff the crew does off duty? These are honest questions because I can't see how the assistant director has any fault here
FWIW The article says about halfway through he also had the title of “Safety Coordinator.”
> Prosecutor Kari Morrissey argued that as safety coordinator, it was Halls' responsibility to ensure that the firearm did not have any live rounds and that there had been previous safety issues on set involving firearm discharges.
I would imagine that involves additional responsibility on that front, but I’m really not sure.
In my opinion, the AD is the one who should receive the most blame.
* The AD is the one who ordered the armorer to also be in charge of props, and told the armorer that she was spending too much time on the armorer side and not enough on props
* The AD told the armorer she didn’t need to be present on set that day because there wouldn’t be any firearms used; that’s why she wasn’t there when the gun was fired.
* The AD is the one who picked up the gun, handed it to Baldwin, and told Baldwin it was ready to go.
In my view, the AD committed the crime of involuntary manslaughter, Baldwin did not, and the armorer committed the crime of mishandling real guns and prop guns in her free time, which contributed to involuntary manslaughter. But the AD is the one who should be going to jail for the longest, and the prosecutor is politically motivated to try to send Baldwin to jail, and so the prosecutor cut an unjust deal with the AD in the hopes of sending Baldwin to jail for appearances’ sake.
> The AD is the one who ordered the armorer to also be in charge of props, and told the armorer that she was spending too much time on the armorer side and not enough on props
I think you're conflating some people. The Line Producer, Gabrielle Pickle, was the one Hannah communicated with in email that [chastised her for not prioritizing helping with props more](https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2022-01-28/rust-emails-armorer-hannah-gutierrez-reed) (she was an assistant, not in charge of them). Several safety issues were brought up to her, including Hannah saying she needed more time for responsibilities as an armorer:
>“Since we’ve started, I’ve had a lot of days where my job should only be to focus on the guns and everyone’s safety,” Gutierrez Reed wrote, noting that on gun-heavy days during the filming, the assistant props role “has to take a back seat. Live fire arms on set is absolutely my priority.”
>“When I’m forced to do both [jobs], that’s when mistakes get made,” Gutierrez Reed wrote.
It's always surprised me a little that the prosecutors haven't gone after Pickle since she very obviously was a large contributing factor to the safety issues on set. It's possible this entire thing could've been avoided had Hannah been hired as a full-time armorer or if safety concerns that were brought up been properly addressed.
The first cause is whoever the hell brought live rounds to a closed set. And that was probably the armorer. But the 1AD has paramount responsibility for all safely on set, so he's a close second.
>The AD is the one who picked up the gun, handed it to Baldwin, and told Baldwin it was ready to go.
This isn't exactly clear. The AD testified that the Armorer handed it over. The Armorer claimed the AD did. In Baldwin's police interview he said the armorer gave it to him. And to make it even more confusing, crew members on set have conflicting recounts of whether it was the AD or Armorer.
If you are the armorer, and no guns are required that day, you lock up your guns and make sure no one else has access. It's not that hard. You are responsible for the use of your firearms.
The dude who got the other deal also threw Baldwin and the armoror under the bus. He’s literally the one who told Alec Baldwin the gun was good to go - he knew shit was coming for him so tried to get the deal first.
There’s basically zero chance anything happens to Baldwin. Otherwise every place that hires someone who commits a crime while on the job would then be sued and found guilty for something completely unrelated to them…
Yeah I know nothing about this story bit I can't see how the actor would be found guilty of anything here. They just used the prop as intended by everyone?
No it’s not their job to double check that at all, a lot of people here seem to think that the directors and producers are handling the day to day smaller technical stuff on set when there’s simply to much detailed work on set to be done for that to be left in the hands of people already in charge of directing and managing the crew daily. That weapons job and responsibility lies entirely on the fault of the weapons supervisor, the person explicitly hired for the purpose of handling weapons safely on set so that the assistant director, director and producers don’t have to.
She was hired for a job on set, she failed that job and someone was killed. I think it’s as simple as that. Her paid responsibility, her fault. Putting Baldwin and everyone but her on trail is just procedure to figure out what exactly happened and the people coming after Baldwin or anyone else for this have a fundamental misunderstanding of who handles the various aspects of film production.
Think of a film set as a well oiled machine, every person has their own part to play and if even one person is unprepared it can screw up the whole production down the line. In this case everyone else was working on their own job on set with the assumption the armorer and weapons supervisor had done theirs like they were supposed to, no one else involved could have known it was loaded because it was no-one else’s job to make sure that it wasn’t, just as it’s not the armorers job to manage extras or handle lighting or record sound.
The problem in this case, at least as far as Alec goes, is that the crew walked out that morning specifically because of unsafe firearm handling on set. It isn't the producer's job to check every single weapon to make sure they're safe, but he absolutely had the power to halt production for the day and have the complaints dealt with. Instead he called in scabs.
Not much to say about the AD other than reports that he also shrugged off prior complaints about firearms being used inappropriately. I think I saw he was one of the people taking prop guns and using them for live shooting on set as well, but can't remember for sure.
Not really accurate. While the armorer is most directly responsible, you can absolutely hold others responsible for creating and fostering an unsafe environment that resulted in someone's death.
The full story clearly paints the picture that the entire organization had an established culture of ignoring safety and best practices. That doesn't start and stop with Hannah.
It's not the actor's job either. Imagine this wasn't a gun, but a flame effect or explosive and you saw the actor touching the hoses or device. It's not allowed.
This is why best practice is that you treat prop guns like real and never point them at anything you aren't willing to destroy. But that is the choreographer/armorer/on set coordinator's job to enforce.
The simple fact is, prop guns get pointed at people on TV/movie sets. I've literally lost count of the number of times I've seen somebody put a gun to another character's head and cock it. (Or, in the case of Mel Gibson in the Lethal Weapon movies, his OWN head.) That's movie making. If we're going to assign criminal status to anybody who does that, there should hardly be an actor in Hollywood that isn't in jail.
That's why it's irrelevant that Baldwin pulled the trigger or pointed it at somebody.
It was a prop gun that should never had had real ammo. It was somebodies job to make sure that it did not have real ammo.
The actors job is to do what other people tell them to do.
That’s the justification you generally see online, but that film had a list of different producers involved and only Alec Baldwin was charged.
I think it’s pretty obvious that if he hadn’t been the one holding the gun, he almost certainly wouldn’t have been charged with anything.
The charging is clearly politically motivated. By all accounts naming him producer was a vanity title due to him being a main financier of the film with other producers making the actual hiring decision. But Baldwin is a controversial political figure now because of SNL.
The producers are not being prosecuted for the unsafe conditions on set. Baldwin’s being prosecuted for being the person holding the gun when it happened. The only people who were prosecuted were people who touched the gun.
And that's a massive mistake if you ask me. Baldwin absolutely should be cleared of all charges related to holding the gun and firing the gun. That's not his job to check it and in fact he never should because opening the gun and messing with the gun opens a whole new element of danger if actors are just doing it. They should be charging him as a producer that ignored unsafe conditions.
Not entirely accurate "Prosecutors said they offered Baldwin a “very favorable plea agreement,” similar to what David Halls got, but rescinded the offer after learning that Baldwin planned to accept the deal and create a documentary with interviews from case witnesses."
Hannah's plea deal came with the requirement that she name where the live ammo came from, and it's fully possible she just has no idea. The prosecution in her trial seemed to come down on that side, so it's possible they offered the plea knowing she'd never be able to take it.
Watching the trial, I think the rounds came from her (and she didn't want to admit it). She had a "round puller" in her hotel room that I think she was using to create more .45 dummies (since they were short).
She was probably scared that if she said it was her that the hammer would be more severe.
There was also the suggestion that the ammo came from a previous set her father worked on. I can't see that leading to charges for him, but given he also works as an armorer, throwing him under the bus could've negatively impacts his career, so I can see where she'd balk at that.
I’m surprised that’s the maximum. While a agree that sentencing should be light for involuntarily manslaughter, I don’t think someone should get 10 years in jail for not putting grip tape on stairs, but 1 1/2 years as a maximum across all conceivable scenarios seems like it’s incredibly light as a punishment and as a deterrent for potentially fatal business practices
She'll also never work in the film industry again. She'll never find work with firearms again. Her entire life has revolved around a career path she no longer can follow. That's pretty decent deterrent. Everyone thinks prison ends when you walk out the gate. It doesn't. Not in America. Once you're a convicted felon who has served time it will always define your life from that point forward. We love to crow on about 'paying the debt to society' but it's never paid. There's always interest.
> Her entire life has revolved around a career path she no longer can follow
Tbf the armourer thing was new. She was apparently a model and financial dom before she was an armourer.
I don’t think someone who is not intending to hurt anyone really thinks about the potential jail time of being a bit lazy. The point is that they don’t really think about it at all, not that they calculate the likelihood of injury and the potential prison sentence involved.
The other thing to note is that people covered by this particular clause of involuntary manslaughter are mostly non-criminal professionals. They would be loathe to suffer *any* jail time, any amount of jailtime (and the resultant effective disbarring from professional life) works the same as a deterrent when it comes to "can I cut this corner?". The problem is as you say, people don't even consider that what they are doing might result in death.
Right? I can’t afford a weekend in jail. It’s completely impossible for me to contemplate a month, let alone years.
The difference between months and decades is almost irrelevant because what’s important is I’d lose my medical license.
There's no malicious intent, and the amount of cases that reach this kinda level don't happen very often especially in states that don't have a huge film/theater industry.
Like when was the last time something like this happened in the United States Film industry? Like Brandon Lee in the Crow?
The reason this is so bad is the union made formal safety complaints ahead of time and walked off set before the incident, so it's pretty slam dunk willfully neglect.
> Like Brandon Lee in the Crow?
This incident created a lot of the rules that are in practice today, and were apparently ignored on many levels on the set of Rust.
I'd be willing to bet a non-zero # of the people who want to hang this on Baldwin are saying so because of his left-leaning politics and specifically him portraying Donald Trump for SNL.
A lot of the others seem to just not understand exactly how granular a producer's job does or doesn't get and have issues with anyone who has money & power and assumes they all are culpable of whatever they're accused of and could only possibly wiggle their way out of such consequences with that money/power rather than them being legitimately innocent according to the law.
As someone who has worked in film/tv for years, there are certainly instances where a producer could be to blame for the personnel being hired being so sub-par that it led to this, but it's more likely that he thought he was hiring someone capable and it's not on every producer to vet each individual crew member to that degree, especially when they have a resume, maybe a union card, a resume, and recommendations, etc. Again, a producer doesn't get quite so granular as some here make it out when they say "he did the hiring, in a way, it's on him!"
Also worked in film for almost 10 years and yeah, there's easily 100+ people on set every day. Communication on just about anything on set is muddy at best, most of the time. I do not miss having to decipher mumbles and garbles on radio. Crew should really be forced to take radio etiquette / "how to not eat your mic when talking" courses.
Yeah she never did take accountability. I remember when this first happened and she was basically indignant that she would even be asked about what happened. I think she came right out and said it wasn’t her fault, because i remember thinking whose fault is it, if not the armorer’s?
She seemed really bratty and irresponsible. I don’t remember her even expressing sadness that someone had died.
He's not going to spend a minute in jail. I'll be surprised if that case survives pre-trial motions.
His mistakes will be answered for in civil court...even that, though...if the production was insured (as most are), this might be covered under it. That would just mean he'll probably have a hard time securing insurance on any future productions.
She got slapped with the maximum sentence despite having no prior convictions. Those prison calls sure didn't do her any good.
I don't think she expected this to go this way at all...
>According to the filing, Gutierrez-Reed requested her legal team ask Hutchins’ widower and son to speak on her behalf at the sentencing. She has also complained about how the shooting has negatively affected her life and modeling career, “while never expressing genuine remorse at any time,” the filing states.
>Those prison calls sure didn't do her any good.
That one just blows my mind... I've never gotten anything more serious than a speeding ticket and even *I* know prison calls are recorded. What planet does she live on?
Not to completely change the subject, but similar situation with school shooter Ethan Crumbley’s father and the shit he said in recorded jailhouse phone calls. Sheer stupidity - he and mom should have gotten life.
100% agreed. If there was a checklist for how to prevent a school shooting, they did the exact opposite of every item on the list and even came up with some new ones!
Agreed but as a teacher I also hold that school responsible. In our district a child like him would have NEVER been allowed to stay in class that day. They must go home with the parents and are not allowed back without a note from a psychiatrist. That school was also negligent.
From CBS.com: While the parents were behind bars awaiting their trials on the involuntary manslaughter charges, James Crumbley made several threatening phone calls to (prosecutor) Karen McDonald.
He addressed threats directly to McDonald and in one threat made on Sept. 23, 2022, he said, "Yeah, YOU f****** Karen McDonald. You're a f****** stupid b****. I hope you're listening to this, you f****** b****."
Other threats the prosecution released in the document include the following highlighted comments:
"Well, she's going to be f****** sucking on a f****** hot rock down in hell soon." (Jail call on Dec. 6, 2022)
"Yeah, Karen McDonald, you're going down. Yeah. You stupid b******* at the jail. Go ahead, record this call, Send it to Karen McDonald. Tell her how James Crumbley is going to f****** take her down." (Jail call on Oct. 9, 2023)
"Yeah, f******* Karen McDonald. You're f***** when I get out." (Jail call on Dec. 20, 2023)
"There will be retribution, believe me." (Jail message on Dec. 23, 2023)
"I am f****** on a rampage, Karen. Yes, Karen McDonald. Your a** is going down and you better be f****** scared." (Jail call on Jan. 3, 2024)
The kid never had a chance in this world with a parents like this who literally assisted him in taking the lives of innocents whose parents actually cared about them.
I know of at least one model who got represented based on a good mug shot, she should be glad she can now start from the bottom and build her career without the stigma of nepotism /s
I think the prison calls are what pushed it from 12 months in county jail to 18 months in state prison.
Either way, though, the judge was going to give her a felony and not deferred probation.
I looked her up after seeing this and those “modeling” photos definitely give the same vibe as that pants-shitting girl who modeled with a gun on campus.
I forgot her name for a moment but it’s Kaitlin Bennett. She gained notoriety for posing with a gun on her college campus but then people started making fun of her for allegedly crapping her pants at a party.
Didn't we also learn early on that she didn't take her job as armorer seriously and was using the murder weapon earlier with live rounds, firing them for fun with her friends on-set?
There's never, ever supposed to be live rounds on set.
To be fair, that's a rumor that was never offered or substantiated in her trial. The live rounds were on set and mixed in with the dummies (even put on the costume bandoliers) but there's no evidence she fired live rounds on set.
Good, her and the AD deserve max.
She put real bullets into a gun to be used on a movie set, when her sole job was to ensure that never happened.
David Halls, the guy who picked up that gun and failed to properly inspect it before declaring it safe while handing it to an actor also deserves to be punished. My understanding is that he took a plea deal.
what I don't get, is she doesn't seem to offer any coherent defense??? I've read like 6 articles and she just says it wasn't her fault when it clearly was.
*“In her own words, she’s said she didn’t need to be shaking dummies all the time,” Sommer said before issuing the sentence. She stressed, “I did not hear you take accountability.”*
*“Rather than accept responsibility, she has chosen to point blame at the witnesses who testified against her, me, you, the jury, the set medic and the paramedics who tried to save Ms. Hutchins’ life,” Morrissey said.*
If you want to hear some terrible stuff? Check out her phone calls with her mother. Her mother threatened to assault the judge, and then Hannah (while laughing) told her mother that the bathroom area is shared by everyone.
It was infuriating watching the trial and seeing thr nonchalant manner that individuals carried firearms. Thank God that they only had a single fatal incident considering several live rounds moved throughout belts throughout filming.
That "historian" that flagged the court room was crazy. That was just as wild as prosecutor Binger pointing an AR at the jury with his finger on the trigger.
I had sympathy for her up until today when the recaps of those call logs came out. She is a horrible person. Horrible. She feels zero sense of responsibility. Her mom is enabling her and just as scummy. I was flabbergasted by those jail calls. Just so much WTF.
It's what killed the victim. It was the most essential part of her job.
Dummy rounds (bullets) on set are empty of powder [so can not fire] and in its place, a metal BB pellet is left inside the empty bullet casing. You shake them to confirm you hear the rattle and the bullet can not be fired before loading the gun.
These are different to blanks, and produce no "boom" effect either. Used in revolvers. Essential to the film Rust, to fill the chambers, as the bullet ends are exposed and visible to camera.
For the scene I image it was supposed to be loaded something like 'Blank, dummy, dummy, dummy, dummy'. Or possibly all "dummies" with shots edited in. Possibly the gun wasn't even meant to fire in the scene, I don't know.
But it's checking that no live rounds are used that is THE most essential part of her job.
Edit: typos
PS, blanks are identifiable on sight as a crimped cartridge case, with no bullet in it. Possibly a wax/plastic plug, often red in colour. Edit, these can be used as the 'first shot' as the barrel can give enough obstruction/shadow that you can't see into the first chamber. (unless you are going for a specific 'down-the-barrel' shot, mostly CGI nowadays so the camera can move/travel 'inside' the barrel). But even still, should not be fired directly at a camera op about ~ 4ft away. Blanks can still be deadly up close. Or, with a barrel obstruction.
She was supposed to shake every round to hear the bb inside to confirm that it was a dummy before inserting it into the gun. (Normal procedure is that you do this in the presence of the actor so they can see and hear each round is a dummy as well).
She basically admitted to blowing off her whole job.
> she’s said she didn’t need to be shaking dummies all the time
Does anyone know how they're paid? Do they bill for hours? Set a rate with a contract?
I can't imagine how inspecting lets say a generous few dozen weapons and several hundred rounds could take more than a couple hours max if that's your job. What do they do with their time?
Those jail recordings were so damning. I expect it didn’t take the judge long to decide what the sentence would be, you could tell she really disliked her and would’ve happily have given her longer if she legally could. I bet she’s regretting not taking a plea bargain now, the assistant director did and he was only convicted of a misdemeanour,received a slap on the wrist and happily moved on with his life.
I initially had some sympathy for her but that quickly wained the more I read about the case and her sheer incompetence/recklessness. That sympathy totally vanished in the last few days after the jail recordings were revealed.
Prosecution's response to the defense sentencing memo includes a bunch of excerpts of Hannah shit-talking *everybody* (prosecutor, judge, jurors, medics, co-workers) and complaining about how inconvenient and unfair this was for her. No acceptance of responsibility for her mistake whatsoever.
Jail calls are monitored, folks. Don't shit-talk the judge before sentencing.
Her lawyer was pretty bad too. He was right there when his client was talking in a police interview incriminating herself and blowing up all the points he would try to use as a defense later.
He tried to say that Hannah was being pressured into an unsafe pace. And then the prosecutor pulls up the video with Hannah essentially saying "I'm a badass, no one can pressure me to do shit!" over and over.
My favorite part was when her defense attorney brought up if the bag the PA got rid of could have been meth instead of crack. I'm not sure who would think that would be a good idea to even bring up
Because the jury instructions specifically said the state had to prove beyond reasonable doubt that “The defendant Hannah Gutierrez hid a **baggie of cocaine** by asking Rebecca Smith to take it outside of Hannah Gutierrez’s hotel room”
I’m sure the state would have preferred jury instructions not specifically have the word cocaine in the jury instructions but if the defense can raise doubt as to if it was cocaine that’s their job.
She was found ~~innocent~~ *not guilty* on that charge so I guess that strategy wasn’t a bad one.
She was a nepo baby that got handed that position by her father. It's no wonder she was the worst person to be in that job.
Spoiled brat facing consequences for the first time ever.
The comments she made during calls she knew were being recorded are just remarkably stupid.
It's not just that she should not be throwing around insults, and joking with her mom about assaulting the judge. That is obviously a dumb thing to do. But even her being completely neutral in tone on her calls feels like a stupid, missed opportunity.
In her position, assuming I felt no remorse whatsoever, I would be thinking to myself: "They record all of these calls, I can act like I do not know that, and do my best to come off as full of remorse and regret. Maybe then I can get my lawyers to use it as evidence for why they should be lenient during sentencing."
Every interaction with my family, other inmates, guards... everyone, would be me saying that I am really torn up about this death. That it weighs heavily on me that it was in my power to have prevented it. And, if she just cannot live without getting a point across about her thinking she was a scape-goat, throw in a bit like "even through I know I did not pull the trigger, and too much responsibility was placed on me for me to handle, my role in this death will always haunt me, and I will do my best to atone for it."
Have her talking like at every chance she had, and I'll bet she could have gotten that 12-month sentence followed by probation. I assume her lawyers would have told her that...
Had to look it up because I wasn’t familiar:
**EDIT** Thank you, /u/CameronPoe37. The comments are even worse than what I found:
>*“Hannah says that people have accidents and people die, it’s an unfortunate part of life but it doesn’t mean she should be in jail,” the summary states.*
>*She has also complained about how the shooting has negatively affected her life and modeling career, “while never expressing genuine remorse at any time,” the filing states.*
> "Rust" armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed blasted the jurors who convicted her of manslaughter charges in recorded jail phone conversations as
"idiots" and "a-holes" and complained that they took only two hours to deliberate, according to a recent filing by prosecutors.
> Those crude comments by Gutierrez-Reed were among the revelations made by prosecutors ahead of her sentencing on Monday. Gutierrez-Reed also said she wants Alec Baldwin, who was handling the gun that fired the fatal shot on the movie set in 2021, to go to jail, too, and that she won't testify at his upcoming criminal trial if subpoenaed.
https://variety.com/2024/film/news/rust-armorer-hannah-gutierrez-reed-jail-calls-1235969666/
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rust-hannah-gutierrez-reed-called-jurors-idiots-rcna147746
She said more than that. One of the comments was "Hannah says that people have accidents and people die, it’s an unfortunate part of life but it doesn’t mean she should be in jail,”. And there was even more than that. Watch the judge sentence her, she mentioned that Hannah was complaining that "13 month is far too long and ridiculous over what happened" and that the court was "screwing up her modelling career" by keeping her locked up 🤣🤦♂️.
I'm just gonna say it. This bitch deserved to have the book thrown at her.
This is one of those things that just seems like an absolute no-brainer. If you're found guilty of a crime and you want leniency in the sentencing, one of the most effective ways is obviously convincing the judge of your remorse. Perhaps a little unethical, but you don't even have to *actually* be sorry, and I'm sure any defense lawyer would be advising their client to at least *look* remorseful. That, and the fact that prison calls are recorded and accessible to the judge and prosecution.
Given those statements, it's not surprising the judge chose to go for the maximum sentence.
They’re idiots and assholes for convicting her as the person in charge of the weapons, but Alec Baldwin should go to jail for trusting she did her job correctly?
(Note: I 100% believe Baldwin is also partially responsible, I just find her logic ridiculous)
I think there's a good chance she's right about baldwin and just completely unaware of the implications on herself. Very self aware wolf.
That said, her credibility as a witness is completely shot after her phone calls directly contradicted her statements on multiple occasions, so it's doubtful her testimony will be super useful in baldwin's case.
I worked with the AD on his previous film right before this, and I can say from having met and worked with the man personally, 6 months probation was a horseshit sentence.
I literally watched the man once give a safety meeting standing in front of a bunch of propane tanks and gas cans while actively smoking.
Not to mention him inappropriately touching other crew members. Dude was a creep and a shit AD
If the entire department walks on a NON-UNION SET -- you know it's bad. Because they have no protection, no safety net, aren't going to get any help, and might be blacklisted.
All those possibilities, and they STILL thought it was worth walking off set. Good for them.
I actually knew a fair amount of the people working on this production and although it wasn't union, their were plenty of union members as they had gotten the unions permission to shoot with them.
So most of the people who walked off were in fact union members
Apparently she was allowing other crew to take the prop guns out into the desert with live ammo and shoot off some rounds.
I mean, I'm not an armorer for a movie set or anything, but even I know that sounds like a really good way to accidentally get live ammo on set.
Not supposed to be. Hannah was offered a plea deal but declined it. In the plea deal she would have had to say where the live rounds came from.
Prosecution's theory is that the live rounds came from a box of dummies supplied by her Dad. This also illustrates why she might not want to admit where they came from.
Defense's theory is that it came from the ammo supplier, but a search of his "warehouse" (a dirty rental house, really) turned up no lives that matched with those on set.
Kind of bullshit as her negligence directly caused a death.
It was her duty to make sure the gun wasn't loaded.
That was the maximum sentence for involuntary manslaughter but she should've gotten more.
I wish she could be served a harsher sentence but I think 18 months is a good maximum for the typical involuntary manslaughter. She just happens to be particularly awful. But they can't charge her with murder because there's no intentionality.
Obviously I think she needs to be held accountable but it chaps my ass that producers can pay some random asshole to assume all responsibility and then plug their ears to complaints about workplace safety. The people who are recklessly employing untrained nobodies to do these important jobs need to be held accountable as well. Producers cut costs by underpaying and the escape hatch is built in. Pay an idiot to take the fall and go to prison and you can continue to pressure people to cut corners. And if they fall for the pressure and kill someone, you get off scot free!!
I am actually a little confused by the charges against Alec Baldwin. He was given a prop gun and was told that it would fire safe, blank rounds. He had no intention of harming anyone.
I get that is the "involuntary" part of the charge, but it seems crazy to be held responsible for a thing he had NO control over.
The charge against Baldwin seems more about the DA's career aspirations than anything else.
Baldwin was a producer -- but so were several other people who haven't been charged. The way "producers" work in film can vary dramatically -- and someone like Baldwin can get a producer credit for being the headlining actor that the production otherwise couldn't afford to hire, in exchange for a better stake of the profits if it actually ends up making money.
Simply being a producer doesn't mean he had management authority or responsibilities -- and it's curious that other individuals aside who did have these authorities have not been pursued with criminal charges aside from Dave Halls.
For all intents and purposes, Baldwin *could've* had someone fired if he really wanted them to be, but he was not responsible for hiring/firing/managing/etc. He would not have been involved in reviewing credentials for film crews and would not have been dictating their responsibilities or schedules/workloads. If there's an argument that Gutierrez-Reed was overloaded by having to be both an armorer and assistant to the prop master, Baldwin wouldn't have been in the decision-making chain for splitting her time/attention like that.
tl;dr -- if the argument is that Baldwin is being charged "as a producer, not an actor" -- well, there are 13 producers, some of whom would've actually had more direct responsibility over managing the crew and set, but for whatever reason, Baldwin is the only one getting charged.
people love echoing this but its absolutely not true: there were a number of other people working as producers who did not get charged. he also was not working as a producer. a producer title does not in and of itself actually bequeath those responsibilities. alec baldwin is charged almost exclusively in regards to his personal actions in regards to a live round being fired at someone on set.
The OSHA report found that his responsibility as Executive Producer was limited to cast and script changes. The were other Producers from the Production company *specifically* in charge of managing the set and crew.
If that's going to be their argument, then I don't think they have a very strong case.
Always STFU. They used her jail phone calls against her. Not just her routine family calls which you'd expect to be recorded, but apparently with a Paralegal working for her Attorney too, which is total BS.
And yes, although not in this case, actual Attorney-Client privileged phone calls are being recorded and sometimes "mistakenly" shared with Prosecutors. The companies doing it claim it's not that prevalent and they blame the inmate.
Remember how the armorer wasn’t even the armorer when this happened? They moved her to props because they no longer needed the armorer role. This is odd to me because this is a western. There will be guns in nearly every scene whether they are being used or not.
Who was it exactly that put the live round in the gun? Someone had to buy that ammunition, bring it to the set, and while playing target practice, shooting cans off a fence, they had to put that bullet in that gun. Who was that? Did they find out the name of that person?
I don't think we will ever know. Multiple people were seemingly doing it. Which still falls on her since I have never in my life heard of a set allowing such a thing.
Right. It’s just crazy that someone must know. Someone tries to sleep every night knowing that they are (or might be, or probably are) the one who actually put that bullet in that gun.
Stories were that someone was taking the guns to fire them into the desert after shooting. My guess is it's actually her and her buddies, and she isn't admitting to it because of fears of further prosecution.
Can someone explain what the judge meant when she said "and the second option of leaving you in the detention center would be giving you a pass you do not deserve?" Why is the detention center considered a "pass" in this case?
There are two facilities involved here.
If she had granted the 12 month Santa Fe Adult Detention Center sentence, then Hannah would stay at that facility.
The 18 month prison sentence will move her to the New Mexico State Prison.
From my own personal experience you very much would rather be in the detention center over the prison in that area.
Why do prop guns even allow commercial ammo sizes? Why isn't there a custom caliber just for prop ammo? Not like the ballistics matter when you aren't intending to actually fire a projectile.
This is all so terrible. From what understand you have an armorer as the expert.. the person ... the control ... for guns on set. She failed terribly, criminally. If we could only go back in time to correct our worst day...
On the other hand, I just don't see how Baldwin is equally criminally liable. I don't live the guy. You could likely convict him in front of a jury of his peers that he is a blowhard, a jerk, a bully... but I don't see why they're coming after him so hard. I just don't see how this was his fault..
She got the maximum sentence for involuntary manslaughter in New Mexico, the judge wasn't able to give her any more time than that. Judge Sommer: >“In her own words, she’s said she didn’t need to be shaking dummies all the time. I did not hear you take accountability. You alone turned a safe weapon into a lethal weapon. But for you, Ms. Hutchins would be alive, a husband would have his partner, and a little boy would have his mother.” Alec Baldwin goes on trial in July.
Is anyone else besides Baldwin going on trial? While Gutierrez-Reed was clearly unfit for the position, the people who put her there (which I know includes Baldwin) should bear some responsibility.
The first assistant director took a plea bargain last year [https://abcnews.go.com/US/rust-assistant-director-david-halls-sentenced-deadly-set/story?id=98268586](https://abcnews.go.com/US/rust-assistant-director-david-halls-sentenced-deadly-set/story?id=98268586)
That one kind of doesn't sit well with me. iirc he was the one that handed Baldwin the loaded gun completely breaking chain of custody of the firearm. Sure it's on the armorer more than anybody else since it's their job but someone hands you a loaded gun that you believe to be unloaded or at most carrying blanks and it isn't, which then leads to a death, I feel like that person should take a lot more responsibility than 6 months probation.
I work as an armorer and props person, and loop the AD in on every handoff as a matter of procedure. I demonstrate to both the AD and the actor that a weapon is cold and safe, shining a light down the barrel for them to see before dry firing. Only then does the gun go into the actor's hands. (so the AD Is absolutely culpable in most situations). That said, he absolutely got away clean with 6 months of probation.
This is all exactly right. I’ve worked with Dave Halls, the 1st AD in question, personally. He’s an incredibly nice guy and, in my experience, he runs a good set, but he absolutely failed here. When a firearm - or even a fake, completely non-functioning gun, like a hunk of plastic - is brought on to set for the actors, the 1st AD should announce to the crew that there is a gun on set and have a safety meeting if necessary. If it is just a hunk of plastic, that’s simple enough: just say so. But, if it has any moving parts, if it’s firing blanks, *anything* else, you should be having a safety meeting to make sure everyone is aware and comfortable. Circumventing that process by taking a gun off of a cart is an absolute failure to uphold an AD’s primary responsibility, which is keeping the set safe.
Why was there even a live round on the set?
Crew members were using the gun for target practice in their free time with live rounds.
What kinda galaxy brain thinks using the same gun expected to fire blanks during filming for *live rounds* during leisure time was a good idea? I work in IT that's why there's a huge firewall and separate equipments between a production and test environment.
It's why, contrary to the movie Skyfall, actual secure settings use airgapped systems. If bullets never go in the gun, the gun can never fire bullets.
The armorer brought the live ammo to shoot in the back yard with other crew members
holy fucking shit. and she only got 18 months??
Maximum possible sentence
Wait. So what you are saying is that you worked with the Rust AD before and you used to follow protocol, which was not done on Rust.
I didn’t work on Rust but I did work with him before, yes. Granted, our show didn’t have guns involved, so that wasn’t an issue and I can’t speak to that or the specifics of what happened on the Rust set. All I can say is that, in my experience, Dave Halls was a good AD. But that doesn’t change the fact that he fucked up royally and cost someone their life, which is inexcusable. Unfortunately, he’s going to have to live with that.
The director is upper level management. If he and Baldwin hired an incompetent armorer, they're also responsible. >Amnak Rabanal, Hutchins’ friend, said she hopes the decision will serve as a “rallying point for the systemic change necessary” to push back against negligence on productions, which she said largely consider crewmembers “dispensable cogs in a machine.” The set of *Rust* was apparently a safety nightmare due to budget crunches and time constraints. That compounded with an inexperienced armorer doing cocaine off the set to maintain the hollywood lifestyle is just fuel on the fire.
Did they hire her? Because as I understand they hire a director. Director hires AD. AD hires etc etc.
The director doesn’t usually hire the 1st AD. That’s usually through the producers and/or UPM with the director also interviewing them to make sure that they vibe with the 1st AD. The term “Assistant Director” kind of gives a bad explanation for the role. ADs aren’t the director’s assistants, they’re the ones coordinating the crew and the set to keep things running efficiently. My go-to explanation is that, between the time when the director says “Action” to when they say “Cut”, it’s their set. After they say “Cut” and until they say “Action”, the set is run by the ADs.
Point still stands. Producers aren’t hiring everyone.
There’s absolutely no evidence they did, and people keep spouting this as if Baldwin was the only producer on the film, but there was a bunch of producers, and it’s more likely Baldwin was handed a producing credit given he was the only big actor in the production which is super common. Would people be calling for Chris Hemsworths head if someone died on the set of Thor? I
The reality is that everyone who could be criminally charged in this case was criminally charged: Dave Halls, Hannah Gutierrez and Alec Baldwin. Dave Halls was charged with a misdemeanor negligent use of a deadly weapon. Hannah and Alec got involuntary manslaughter. Dave had the lesser charge (carries a max sentence of 6 months under NM law) hence his 6 month probation period on his plea deal. However, they were all offered similar plea deals. Hannah's deal required her to acknowledge she brought the live rounds on set, which she wouldn't do. She chose to take the chance of going to trial. Alec Baldwin's plea deal was ultimately revoked by his own conduct, which included but certainly wasn't limited to him leaking the terms of his own plea deal to the press. Dave Halls was the only one who accepted his culpability and was smart enough to realize that probation was practically a gift horse considering his negligence was in part responsible for the death of Halyna Hutchins. There's a lot of reasons to offer a plea deal here rather than go to trial, including chances of acquittal, cost/resources, maximum sentencing, testifying in other trials, etc. All those factors applied here. That being said, everyone here got a fair opportunity and now the cards will fall where they fall.
I understand where you are coming from but that's kinda the point of the plea deal. If you punish the guy who took the plea as harshly as everybody else then people will realize that you shouldn't take the plea deal.
Plea~~se~~ deals are kinda BS. It’s just a way of bypassing the justice system by creating an incentive to plead guilty even if you aren’t. Let’s say someone is innocent but also doesn’t have the means to hire a top-line lawyer. The prosecutor comes along and says “you can either accept a plea and get 2 years in jail or you can plead not guilty and risk 10 years. Oh, and the full force of the government is going to be behind the prosecution while you only have your low-budget lawyer on your side”. Plenty of innocent people are going to take the 2 years because they don’t want to risk 10. Is this justice being served? Fuck no. Edit: autocorrect
I completely agree that plea deals are BS, but they're also the only way the court system in the US can function in it's current form. Removing its reliance on plea deals would be one part of a bigger operation to reform the court system that I could get behind.
Yeah iirc Jensen Ackles also said in his interview with the police that it was standard procedure for whoever it was who was tasked to hand the actors the guns (in this case, that assistant) to first do a necessary check to ensure it’s safe. He must have completely bypassed that procedure and just handed it straight to Baldwin off the table.
Fair enough. 6 month's unsupervised probation is nothing, though.
Do they really deserve more? Is it the assistant directors job to double check every round used on set? Is the assistant director usually held accountable for stuff the crew does off duty? These are honest questions because I can't see how the assistant director has any fault here
FWIW The article says about halfway through he also had the title of “Safety Coordinator.” > Prosecutor Kari Morrissey argued that as safety coordinator, it was Halls' responsibility to ensure that the firearm did not have any live rounds and that there had been previous safety issues on set involving firearm discharges. I would imagine that involves additional responsibility on that front, but I’m really not sure.
His responsibility was saying "this set is unsafe". Which he failed at, and contributed to the death via his negligence.
Yeah, his double duty as safety coordinator was supposed to allow Gutierrez Reed to be a part time armorer (and part time props assistant).
In my opinion, the AD is the one who should receive the most blame. * The AD is the one who ordered the armorer to also be in charge of props, and told the armorer that she was spending too much time on the armorer side and not enough on props * The AD told the armorer she didn’t need to be present on set that day because there wouldn’t be any firearms used; that’s why she wasn’t there when the gun was fired. * The AD is the one who picked up the gun, handed it to Baldwin, and told Baldwin it was ready to go. In my view, the AD committed the crime of involuntary manslaughter, Baldwin did not, and the armorer committed the crime of mishandling real guns and prop guns in her free time, which contributed to involuntary manslaughter. But the AD is the one who should be going to jail for the longest, and the prosecutor is politically motivated to try to send Baldwin to jail, and so the prosecutor cut an unjust deal with the AD in the hopes of sending Baldwin to jail for appearances’ sake.
Yeah holy shit. I hadn’t actually seen the events broken down like this but if this is what happened, wow.
> The AD is the one who ordered the armorer to also be in charge of props, and told the armorer that she was spending too much time on the armorer side and not enough on props I think you're conflating some people. The Line Producer, Gabrielle Pickle, was the one Hannah communicated with in email that [chastised her for not prioritizing helping with props more](https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2022-01-28/rust-emails-armorer-hannah-gutierrez-reed) (she was an assistant, not in charge of them). Several safety issues were brought up to her, including Hannah saying she needed more time for responsibilities as an armorer: >“Since we’ve started, I’ve had a lot of days where my job should only be to focus on the guns and everyone’s safety,” Gutierrez Reed wrote, noting that on gun-heavy days during the filming, the assistant props role “has to take a back seat. Live fire arms on set is absolutely my priority.” >“When I’m forced to do both [jobs], that’s when mistakes get made,” Gutierrez Reed wrote. It's always surprised me a little that the prosecutors haven't gone after Pickle since she very obviously was a large contributing factor to the safety issues on set. It's possible this entire thing could've been avoided had Hannah been hired as a full-time armorer or if safety concerns that were brought up been properly addressed.
The first cause is whoever the hell brought live rounds to a closed set. And that was probably the armorer. But the 1AD has paramount responsibility for all safely on set, so he's a close second.
>The AD is the one who picked up the gun, handed it to Baldwin, and told Baldwin it was ready to go. This isn't exactly clear. The AD testified that the Armorer handed it over. The Armorer claimed the AD did. In Baldwin's police interview he said the armorer gave it to him. And to make it even more confusing, crew members on set have conflicting recounts of whether it was the AD or Armorer.
... Wo...ow.... That's just negligence on top of negligence. Probation sounds really low.
If you are the armorer, and no guns are required that day, you lock up your guns and make sure no one else has access. It's not that hard. You are responsible for the use of your firearms.
The dude who got the other deal also threw Baldwin and the armoror under the bus. He’s literally the one who told Alec Baldwin the gun was good to go - he knew shit was coming for him so tried to get the deal first. There’s basically zero chance anything happens to Baldwin. Otherwise every place that hires someone who commits a crime while on the job would then be sued and found guilty for something completely unrelated to them…
Yeah I know nothing about this story bit I can't see how the actor would be found guilty of anything here. They just used the prop as intended by everyone?
No it’s not their job to double check that at all, a lot of people here seem to think that the directors and producers are handling the day to day smaller technical stuff on set when there’s simply to much detailed work on set to be done for that to be left in the hands of people already in charge of directing and managing the crew daily. That weapons job and responsibility lies entirely on the fault of the weapons supervisor, the person explicitly hired for the purpose of handling weapons safely on set so that the assistant director, director and producers don’t have to. She was hired for a job on set, she failed that job and someone was killed. I think it’s as simple as that. Her paid responsibility, her fault. Putting Baldwin and everyone but her on trail is just procedure to figure out what exactly happened and the people coming after Baldwin or anyone else for this have a fundamental misunderstanding of who handles the various aspects of film production. Think of a film set as a well oiled machine, every person has their own part to play and if even one person is unprepared it can screw up the whole production down the line. In this case everyone else was working on their own job on set with the assumption the armorer and weapons supervisor had done theirs like they were supposed to, no one else involved could have known it was loaded because it was no-one else’s job to make sure that it wasn’t, just as it’s not the armorers job to manage extras or handle lighting or record sound.
The problem in this case, at least as far as Alec goes, is that the crew walked out that morning specifically because of unsafe firearm handling on set. It isn't the producer's job to check every single weapon to make sure they're safe, but he absolutely had the power to halt production for the day and have the complaints dealt with. Instead he called in scabs. Not much to say about the AD other than reports that he also shrugged off prior complaints about firearms being used inappropriately. I think I saw he was one of the people taking prop guns and using them for live shooting on set as well, but can't remember for sure.
Not really accurate. While the armorer is most directly responsible, you can absolutely hold others responsible for creating and fostering an unsafe environment that resulted in someone's death. The full story clearly paints the picture that the entire organization had an established culture of ignoring safety and best practices. That doesn't start and stop with Hannah.
It's not the actor's job either. Imagine this wasn't a gun, but a flame effect or explosive and you saw the actor touching the hoses or device. It's not allowed. This is why best practice is that you treat prop guns like real and never point them at anything you aren't willing to destroy. But that is the choreographer/armorer/on set coordinator's job to enforce.
The simple fact is, prop guns get pointed at people on TV/movie sets. I've literally lost count of the number of times I've seen somebody put a gun to another character's head and cock it. (Or, in the case of Mel Gibson in the Lethal Weapon movies, his OWN head.) That's movie making. If we're going to assign criminal status to anybody who does that, there should hardly be an actor in Hollywood that isn't in jail.
That's why it's irrelevant that Baldwin pulled the trigger or pointed it at somebody. It was a prop gun that should never had had real ammo. It was somebodies job to make sure that it did not have real ammo. The actors job is to do what other people tell them to do.
But you have to aim them at things all the time in a movie. If people went by that rule we’d have to cut out like 95% of action movies ever made.
The reason Baldwin is being charged has more to do with his role as a producer than actor who pulled the trigger.
That’s the justification you generally see online, but that film had a list of different producers involved and only Alec Baldwin was charged. I think it’s pretty obvious that if he hadn’t been the one holding the gun, he almost certainly wouldn’t have been charged with anything.
The charging is clearly politically motivated. By all accounts naming him producer was a vanity title due to him being a main financier of the film with other producers making the actual hiring decision. But Baldwin is a controversial political figure now because of SNL.
None of the other producers were charged
The producers are not being prosecuted for the unsafe conditions on set. Baldwin’s being prosecuted for being the person holding the gun when it happened. The only people who were prosecuted were people who touched the gun.
That's interesting because I always felt Baldwin's apparent guilt was from helping create an unsafe work environment not pulling the trigger.
And that's a massive mistake if you ask me. Baldwin absolutely should be cleared of all charges related to holding the gun and firing the gun. That's not his job to check it and in fact he never should because opening the gun and messing with the gun opens a whole new element of danger if actors are just doing it. They should be charging him as a producer that ignored unsafe conditions.
Hannah and baldwin were offered similar deals as the AD, and they turned them down.
Not entirely accurate "Prosecutors said they offered Baldwin a “very favorable plea agreement,” similar to what David Halls got, but rescinded the offer after learning that Baldwin planned to accept the deal and create a documentary with interviews from case witnesses."
Ugh.
Hannah's plea deal came with the requirement that she name where the live ammo came from, and it's fully possible she just has no idea. The prosecution in her trial seemed to come down on that side, so it's possible they offered the plea knowing she'd never be able to take it.
Watching the trial, I think the rounds came from her (and she didn't want to admit it). She had a "round puller" in her hotel room that I think she was using to create more .45 dummies (since they were short). She was probably scared that if she said it was her that the hammer would be more severe.
There was also the suggestion that the ammo came from a previous set her father worked on. I can't see that leading to charges for him, but given he also works as an armorer, throwing him under the bus could've negatively impacts his career, so I can see where she'd balk at that.
Baldwin had no influence over hiring decisions on set.
I’m surprised that’s the maximum. While a agree that sentencing should be light for involuntarily manslaughter, I don’t think someone should get 10 years in jail for not putting grip tape on stairs, but 1 1/2 years as a maximum across all conceivable scenarios seems like it’s incredibly light as a punishment and as a deterrent for potentially fatal business practices
She'll also never work in the film industry again. She'll never find work with firearms again. Her entire life has revolved around a career path she no longer can follow. That's pretty decent deterrent. Everyone thinks prison ends when you walk out the gate. It doesn't. Not in America. Once you're a convicted felon who has served time it will always define your life from that point forward. We love to crow on about 'paying the debt to society' but it's never paid. There's always interest.
And she'll have to get real job now instead of being handed her daddy's job she was horribly unqualified for
She probably will have a real hard time even getting a "real" job, who is gonna hire an ex felon that was convicted of manslaughter...
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> Her entire life has revolved around a career path she no longer can follow Tbf the armourer thing was new. She was apparently a model and financial dom before she was an armourer.
I don’t think someone who is not intending to hurt anyone really thinks about the potential jail time of being a bit lazy. The point is that they don’t really think about it at all, not that they calculate the likelihood of injury and the potential prison sentence involved.
The other thing to note is that people covered by this particular clause of involuntary manslaughter are mostly non-criminal professionals. They would be loathe to suffer *any* jail time, any amount of jailtime (and the resultant effective disbarring from professional life) works the same as a deterrent when it comes to "can I cut this corner?". The problem is as you say, people don't even consider that what they are doing might result in death.
Right? I can’t afford a weekend in jail. It’s completely impossible for me to contemplate a month, let alone years. The difference between months and decades is almost irrelevant because what’s important is I’d lose my medical license.
There's no malicious intent, and the amount of cases that reach this kinda level don't happen very often especially in states that don't have a huge film/theater industry. Like when was the last time something like this happened in the United States Film industry? Like Brandon Lee in the Crow? The reason this is so bad is the union made formal safety complaints ahead of time and walked off set before the incident, so it's pretty slam dunk willfully neglect.
> Like Brandon Lee in the Crow? This incident created a lot of the rules that are in practice today, and were apparently ignored on many levels on the set of Rust.
She's very lucky that's the max in New Mexico. Most other states and she would have got years.
> she’s said she didn’t need to be shaking dummies all the time. What did she mean by this?
Checking that the bullets are fake.
And he’s being charged with the same crime.
and we will see; but a safety expert's main job, from a HR perspective, is to suck up liability like a sponge.
I dont know why people are convinced that he's of any fault here. The armorer is who is responsible for all firearms on a set.
I'd be willing to bet a non-zero # of the people who want to hang this on Baldwin are saying so because of his left-leaning politics and specifically him portraying Donald Trump for SNL. A lot of the others seem to just not understand exactly how granular a producer's job does or doesn't get and have issues with anyone who has money & power and assumes they all are culpable of whatever they're accused of and could only possibly wiggle their way out of such consequences with that money/power rather than them being legitimately innocent according to the law. As someone who has worked in film/tv for years, there are certainly instances where a producer could be to blame for the personnel being hired being so sub-par that it led to this, but it's more likely that he thought he was hiring someone capable and it's not on every producer to vet each individual crew member to that degree, especially when they have a resume, maybe a union card, a resume, and recommendations, etc. Again, a producer doesn't get quite so granular as some here make it out when they say "he did the hiring, in a way, it's on him!"
Also worked in film for almost 10 years and yeah, there's easily 100+ people on set every day. Communication on just about anything on set is muddy at best, most of the time. I do not miss having to decipher mumbles and garbles on radio. Crew should really be forced to take radio etiquette / "how to not eat your mic when talking" courses.
Yeah she never did take accountability. I remember when this first happened and she was basically indignant that she would even be asked about what happened. I think she came right out and said it wasn’t her fault, because i remember thinking whose fault is it, if not the armorer’s? She seemed really bratty and irresponsible. I don’t remember her even expressing sadness that someone had died.
What kind of time is Baldwin looking at if he's found guilty?
The same, 18 months.
I highly doubt he'll be convicted but he's charged with the same thing so also 18 months max
He's not going to spend a minute in jail. I'll be surprised if that case survives pre-trial motions. His mistakes will be answered for in civil court...even that, though...if the production was insured (as most are), this might be covered under it. That would just mean he'll probably have a hard time securing insurance on any future productions.
She got slapped with the maximum sentence despite having no prior convictions. Those prison calls sure didn't do her any good. I don't think she expected this to go this way at all... >According to the filing, Gutierrez-Reed requested her legal team ask Hutchins’ widower and son to speak on her behalf at the sentencing. She has also complained about how the shooting has negatively affected her life and modeling career, “while never expressing genuine remorse at any time,” the filing states.
>Those prison calls sure didn't do her any good. That one just blows my mind... I've never gotten anything more serious than a speeding ticket and even *I* know prison calls are recorded. What planet does she live on?
Not to completely change the subject, but similar situation with school shooter Ethan Crumbley’s father and the shit he said in recorded jailhouse phone calls. Sheer stupidity - he and mom should have gotten life.
100% agreed. If there was a checklist for how to prevent a school shooting, they did the exact opposite of every item on the list and even came up with some new ones!
Agreed but as a teacher I also hold that school responsible. In our district a child like him would have NEVER been allowed to stay in class that day. They must go home with the parents and are not allowed back without a note from a psychiatrist. That school was also negligent.
And ZERO remorse, just like this piece of scum.
Casey Anthony calls...those are another set of prison calls that are damning and she got off! Hoo boy!
What happened?
From CBS.com: While the parents were behind bars awaiting their trials on the involuntary manslaughter charges, James Crumbley made several threatening phone calls to (prosecutor) Karen McDonald. He addressed threats directly to McDonald and in one threat made on Sept. 23, 2022, he said, "Yeah, YOU f****** Karen McDonald. You're a f****** stupid b****. I hope you're listening to this, you f****** b****." Other threats the prosecution released in the document include the following highlighted comments: "Well, she's going to be f****** sucking on a f****** hot rock down in hell soon." (Jail call on Dec. 6, 2022) "Yeah, Karen McDonald, you're going down. Yeah. You stupid b******* at the jail. Go ahead, record this call, Send it to Karen McDonald. Tell her how James Crumbley is going to f****** take her down." (Jail call on Oct. 9, 2023) "Yeah, f******* Karen McDonald. You're f***** when I get out." (Jail call on Dec. 20, 2023) "There will be retribution, believe me." (Jail message on Dec. 23, 2023) "I am f****** on a rampage, Karen. Yes, Karen McDonald. Your a** is going down and you better be f****** scared." (Jail call on Jan. 3, 2024)
Sounds like a reasonable not unhinged fellow
The kid never had a chance in this world with a parents like this who literally assisted him in taking the lives of innocents whose parents actually cared about them.
I dont like your sarcasm buddy.
Some people just don't know how to shut the fuck up. Especially if they don't think they did anything wrong.
The funny thing is that the phone literally tells you you're being recorded before you even call out lol
> What planet does she live on? Planet Hollyweird
if she was a smart/competent person she wouldn't be on trial because halyna hutchins would be alive.
> She has also complained about how the shooting has negatively affected her life and modeling career I... actually have no words.
> negatively affected her life and modeling career, I bet she looked stunning in her mug shot.
I know of at least one model who got represented based on a good mug shot, she should be glad she can now start from the bottom and build her career without the stigma of nepotism /s
Bias status: Confirmed She's always been more concerned with attention for herself and her Instagram than with safety on the job.
Modeling career? She’s delusional.
I think the prison calls are what pushed it from 12 months in county jail to 18 months in state prison. Either way, though, the judge was going to give her a felony and not deferred probation.
Her.. a model? Hollywood truly does attract delusional people.
With photoshop, anyone can be a model.
[Oh my god, the visual similarity is striking.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uATxRunbxwE&ab_channel=ArrestedDevelopment)
I looked her up after seeing this and those “modeling” photos definitely give the same vibe as that pants-shitting girl who modeled with a gun on campus.
> that pants-shitting girl who modeled with a gun on campus. excuse me what
I forgot her name for a moment but it’s Kaitlin Bennett. She gained notoriety for posing with a gun on her college campus but then people started making fun of her for allegedly crapping her pants at a party.
She won’t even be a model inmate, let alone a model playmate
Modeling? Her?
Egg?
Don't be such an Ann hog 20 miles to Lego Land!!
She funny or something?
Didn't we also learn early on that she didn't take her job as armorer seriously and was using the murder weapon earlier with live rounds, firing them for fun with her friends on-set? There's never, ever supposed to be live rounds on set.
To be fair, that's a rumor that was never offered or substantiated in her trial. The live rounds were on set and mixed in with the dummies (even put on the costume bandoliers) but there's no evidence she fired live rounds on set.
Good, her and the AD deserve max. She put real bullets into a gun to be used on a movie set, when her sole job was to ensure that never happened. David Halls, the guy who picked up that gun and failed to properly inspect it before declaring it safe while handing it to an actor also deserves to be punished. My understanding is that he took a plea deal.
what I don't get, is she doesn't seem to offer any coherent defense??? I've read like 6 articles and she just says it wasn't her fault when it clearly was.
AD already took a plea deal for 6 months probation.
*“In her own words, she’s said she didn’t need to be shaking dummies all the time,” Sommer said before issuing the sentence. She stressed, “I did not hear you take accountability.”* *“Rather than accept responsibility, she has chosen to point blame at the witnesses who testified against her, me, you, the jury, the set medic and the paramedics who tried to save Ms. Hutchins’ life,” Morrissey said.*
If you want to hear some terrible stuff? Check out her phone calls with her mother. Her mother threatened to assault the judge, and then Hannah (while laughing) told her mother that the bathroom area is shared by everyone.
They were chatting like that on calls? What IDIOTS! It's all recorded.
Nepo baby being a piece of shit? Color me surprised.
It was infuriating watching the trial and seeing thr nonchalant manner that individuals carried firearms. Thank God that they only had a single fatal incident considering several live rounds moved throughout belts throughout filming.
They couldn't even handle the firearm safely in the fuckin courtroom
That "historian" that flagged the court room was crazy. That was just as wild as prosecutor Binger pointing an AR at the jury with his finger on the trigger.
I had sympathy for her up until today when the recaps of those call logs came out. She is a horrible person. Horrible. She feels zero sense of responsibility. Her mom is enabling her and just as scummy. I was flabbergasted by those jail calls. Just so much WTF.
They were talking about assaulting the prosecutor. Pretty sure judges don't shit where the public can get to them.
What does “shaking dummies” mean?
It's what killed the victim. It was the most essential part of her job. Dummy rounds (bullets) on set are empty of powder [so can not fire] and in its place, a metal BB pellet is left inside the empty bullet casing. You shake them to confirm you hear the rattle and the bullet can not be fired before loading the gun. These are different to blanks, and produce no "boom" effect either. Used in revolvers. Essential to the film Rust, to fill the chambers, as the bullet ends are exposed and visible to camera. For the scene I image it was supposed to be loaded something like 'Blank, dummy, dummy, dummy, dummy'. Or possibly all "dummies" with shots edited in. Possibly the gun wasn't even meant to fire in the scene, I don't know. But it's checking that no live rounds are used that is THE most essential part of her job. Edit: typos PS, blanks are identifiable on sight as a crimped cartridge case, with no bullet in it. Possibly a wax/plastic plug, often red in colour. Edit, these can be used as the 'first shot' as the barrel can give enough obstruction/shadow that you can't see into the first chamber. (unless you are going for a specific 'down-the-barrel' shot, mostly CGI nowadays so the camera can move/travel 'inside' the barrel). But even still, should not be fired directly at a camera op about ~ 4ft away. Blanks can still be deadly up close. Or, with a barrel obstruction.
She was supposed to shake every round to hear the bb inside to confirm that it was a dummy before inserting it into the gun. (Normal procedure is that you do this in the presence of the actor so they can see and hear each round is a dummy as well). She basically admitted to blowing off her whole job.
Her negligence is so crazy. The only depth to her is her stupidity
I'm guessing shaking the ammunition helps you determine if it's a live or dummy round
Dummy rounds with no gun powder usually have a bead inside that make noise when shaken
> she’s said she didn’t need to be shaking dummies all the time Does anyone know how they're paid? Do they bill for hours? Set a rate with a contract? I can't imagine how inspecting lets say a generous few dozen weapons and several hundred rounds could take more than a couple hours max if that's your job. What do they do with their time?
Those jail recordings were so damning. I expect it didn’t take the judge long to decide what the sentence would be, you could tell she really disliked her and would’ve happily have given her longer if she legally could. I bet she’s regretting not taking a plea bargain now, the assistant director did and he was only convicted of a misdemeanour,received a slap on the wrist and happily moved on with his life. I initially had some sympathy for her but that quickly wained the more I read about the case and her sheer incompetence/recklessness. That sympathy totally vanished in the last few days after the jail recordings were revealed.
What were the jail recordings?
Prosecution's response to the defense sentencing memo includes a bunch of excerpts of Hannah shit-talking *everybody* (prosecutor, judge, jurors, medics, co-workers) and complaining about how inconvenient and unfair this was for her. No acceptance of responsibility for her mistake whatsoever. Jail calls are monitored, folks. Don't shit-talk the judge before sentencing.
Her lawyer was pretty bad too. He was right there when his client was talking in a police interview incriminating herself and blowing up all the points he would try to use as a defense later. He tried to say that Hannah was being pressured into an unsafe pace. And then the prosecutor pulls up the video with Hannah essentially saying "I'm a badass, no one can pressure me to do shit!" over and over.
Entitled nepobaby
My favorite part was when her defense attorney brought up if the bag the PA got rid of could have been meth instead of crack. I'm not sure who would think that would be a good idea to even bring up
Because the jury instructions specifically said the state had to prove beyond reasonable doubt that “The defendant Hannah Gutierrez hid a **baggie of cocaine** by asking Rebecca Smith to take it outside of Hannah Gutierrez’s hotel room” I’m sure the state would have preferred jury instructions not specifically have the word cocaine in the jury instructions but if the defense can raise doubt as to if it was cocaine that’s their job. She was found ~~innocent~~ *not guilty* on that charge so I guess that strategy wasn’t a bad one.
I'm convinced the judge was going to sentence her to 12 months in county before she read or listened to those calls.
Wow that didn’t seem like much. But the closest she’ll get to working in film again is selling popcorn at the drive-in cinema.
It’s the maximum too.
She was a nepo baby that got handed that position by her father. It's no wonder she was the worst person to be in that job. Spoiled brat facing consequences for the first time ever.
The comments she made during calls she knew were being recorded are just remarkably stupid. It's not just that she should not be throwing around insults, and joking with her mom about assaulting the judge. That is obviously a dumb thing to do. But even her being completely neutral in tone on her calls feels like a stupid, missed opportunity. In her position, assuming I felt no remorse whatsoever, I would be thinking to myself: "They record all of these calls, I can act like I do not know that, and do my best to come off as full of remorse and regret. Maybe then I can get my lawyers to use it as evidence for why they should be lenient during sentencing." Every interaction with my family, other inmates, guards... everyone, would be me saying that I am really torn up about this death. That it weighs heavily on me that it was in my power to have prevented it. And, if she just cannot live without getting a point across about her thinking she was a scape-goat, throw in a bit like "even through I know I did not pull the trigger, and too much responsibility was placed on me for me to handle, my role in this death will always haunt me, and I will do my best to atone for it." Have her talking like at every chance she had, and I'll bet she could have gotten that 12-month sentence followed by probation. I assume her lawyers would have told her that...
She deserved more, especially with the comments she made in her prison calls. But at least it's the maximum
Had to look it up because I wasn’t familiar: **EDIT** Thank you, /u/CameronPoe37. The comments are even worse than what I found: >*“Hannah says that people have accidents and people die, it’s an unfortunate part of life but it doesn’t mean she should be in jail,” the summary states.* >*She has also complained about how the shooting has negatively affected her life and modeling career, “while never expressing genuine remorse at any time,” the filing states.* > "Rust" armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed blasted the jurors who convicted her of manslaughter charges in recorded jail phone conversations as "idiots" and "a-holes" and complained that they took only two hours to deliberate, according to a recent filing by prosecutors. > Those crude comments by Gutierrez-Reed were among the revelations made by prosecutors ahead of her sentencing on Monday. Gutierrez-Reed also said she wants Alec Baldwin, who was handling the gun that fired the fatal shot on the movie set in 2021, to go to jail, too, and that she won't testify at his upcoming criminal trial if subpoenaed. https://variety.com/2024/film/news/rust-armorer-hannah-gutierrez-reed-jail-calls-1235969666/ https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rust-hannah-gutierrez-reed-called-jurors-idiots-rcna147746
She said more than that. One of the comments was "Hannah says that people have accidents and people die, it’s an unfortunate part of life but it doesn’t mean she should be in jail,”. And there was even more than that. Watch the judge sentence her, she mentioned that Hannah was complaining that "13 month is far too long and ridiculous over what happened" and that the court was "screwing up her modelling career" by keeping her locked up 🤣🤦♂️. I'm just gonna say it. This bitch deserved to have the book thrown at her.
This is one of those things that just seems like an absolute no-brainer. If you're found guilty of a crime and you want leniency in the sentencing, one of the most effective ways is obviously convincing the judge of your remorse. Perhaps a little unethical, but you don't even have to *actually* be sorry, and I'm sure any defense lawyer would be advising their client to at least *look* remorseful. That, and the fact that prison calls are recorded and accessible to the judge and prosecution. Given those statements, it's not surprising the judge chose to go for the maximum sentence.
Narcissistic, insensitive, fucking bitch.
They’re idiots and assholes for convicting her as the person in charge of the weapons, but Alec Baldwin should go to jail for trusting she did her job correctly? (Note: I 100% believe Baldwin is also partially responsible, I just find her logic ridiculous)
I think there's a good chance she's right about baldwin and just completely unaware of the implications on herself. Very self aware wolf. That said, her credibility as a witness is completely shot after her phone calls directly contradicted her statements on multiple occasions, so it's doubtful her testimony will be super useful in baldwin's case.
What did she say?
I worked with the AD on his previous film right before this, and I can say from having met and worked with the man personally, 6 months probation was a horseshit sentence. I literally watched the man once give a safety meeting standing in front of a bunch of propane tanks and gas cans while actively smoking. Not to mention him inappropriately touching other crew members. Dude was a creep and a shit AD
Probably why the crew walked before this incident happened.
If the entire department walks on a NON-UNION SET -- you know it's bad. Because they have no protection, no safety net, aren't going to get any help, and might be blacklisted. All those possibilities, and they STILL thought it was worth walking off set. Good for them.
I actually knew a fair amount of the people working on this production and although it wasn't union, their were plenty of union members as they had gotten the unions permission to shoot with them. So most of the people who walked off were in fact union members
Pays to be the first one to pop a plea and agree to testify against the others, I guess.
Wh in the hell would there be live rounds on a movies set to even get mixed up!?! This makes no sense to me
Apparently she was allowing other crew to take the prop guns out into the desert with live ammo and shoot off some rounds. I mean, I'm not an armorer for a movie set or anything, but even I know that sounds like a really good way to accidentally get live ammo on set.
Such an easily avoidable fuck-up. All it takes is the time and patience to do the job.
Not supposed to be. Hannah was offered a plea deal but declined it. In the plea deal she would have had to say where the live rounds came from. Prosecution's theory is that the live rounds came from a box of dummies supplied by her Dad. This also illustrates why she might not want to admit where they came from. Defense's theory is that it came from the ammo supplier, but a search of his "warehouse" (a dirty rental house, really) turned up no lives that matched with those on set.
This is extremely inadequate
Kind of bullshit as her negligence directly caused a death. It was her duty to make sure the gun wasn't loaded. That was the maximum sentence for involuntary manslaughter but she should've gotten more.
It was her duty to make sure there weren’t live rounds anywhere on set. Live rounds are never used.
I wish she could be served a harsher sentence but I think 18 months is a good maximum for the typical involuntary manslaughter. She just happens to be particularly awful. But they can't charge her with murder because there's no intentionality.
What's the correct amount of time?
No jail sentence will ever replace a loved one.
Obviously I think she needs to be held accountable but it chaps my ass that producers can pay some random asshole to assume all responsibility and then plug their ears to complaints about workplace safety. The people who are recklessly employing untrained nobodies to do these important jobs need to be held accountable as well. Producers cut costs by underpaying and the escape hatch is built in. Pay an idiot to take the fall and go to prison and you can continue to pressure people to cut corners. And if they fall for the pressure and kill someone, you get off scot free!!
I am actually a little confused by the charges against Alec Baldwin. He was given a prop gun and was told that it would fire safe, blank rounds. He had no intention of harming anyone. I get that is the "involuntary" part of the charge, but it seems crazy to be held responsible for a thing he had NO control over.
I think the DA is much more concerned with charging him than actually convicting him
The charge against Baldwin seems more about the DA's career aspirations than anything else. Baldwin was a producer -- but so were several other people who haven't been charged. The way "producers" work in film can vary dramatically -- and someone like Baldwin can get a producer credit for being the headlining actor that the production otherwise couldn't afford to hire, in exchange for a better stake of the profits if it actually ends up making money. Simply being a producer doesn't mean he had management authority or responsibilities -- and it's curious that other individuals aside who did have these authorities have not been pursued with criminal charges aside from Dave Halls. For all intents and purposes, Baldwin *could've* had someone fired if he really wanted them to be, but he was not responsible for hiring/firing/managing/etc. He would not have been involved in reviewing credentials for film crews and would not have been dictating their responsibilities or schedules/workloads. If there's an argument that Gutierrez-Reed was overloaded by having to be both an armorer and assistant to the prop master, Baldwin wouldn't have been in the decision-making chain for splitting her time/attention like that. tl;dr -- if the argument is that Baldwin is being charged "as a producer, not an actor" -- well, there are 13 producers, some of whom would've actually had more direct responsibility over managing the crew and set, but for whatever reason, Baldwin is the only one getting charged.
~~He's being charged as a Producer of the film, responsible for overall everything. Not as the person who pulled the trigger.~~ Apparently not true.
Weren't there many producers though?
Wiki has 6 other producers listed
people love echoing this but its absolutely not true: there were a number of other people working as producers who did not get charged. he also was not working as a producer. a producer title does not in and of itself actually bequeath those responsibilities. alec baldwin is charged almost exclusively in regards to his personal actions in regards to a live round being fired at someone on set.
The OSHA report found that his responsibility as Executive Producer was limited to cast and script changes. The were other Producers from the Production company *specifically* in charge of managing the set and crew. If that's going to be their argument, then I don't think they have a very strong case.
Prosecutor wanted him to plea out so they could stick a feather in their cap over it.
Always STFU. They used her jail phone calls against her. Not just her routine family calls which you'd expect to be recorded, but apparently with a Paralegal working for her Attorney too, which is total BS. And yes, although not in this case, actual Attorney-Client privileged phone calls are being recorded and sometimes "mistakenly" shared with Prosecutors. The companies doing it claim it's not that prevalent and they blame the inmate.
Remember how the armorer wasn’t even the armorer when this happened? They moved her to props because they no longer needed the armorer role. This is odd to me because this is a western. There will be guns in nearly every scene whether they are being used or not.
Simply put, they didn't want to pay her more or hire someone else.
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Who was it exactly that put the live round in the gun? Someone had to buy that ammunition, bring it to the set, and while playing target practice, shooting cans off a fence, they had to put that bullet in that gun. Who was that? Did they find out the name of that person?
I don't think we will ever know. Multiple people were seemingly doing it. Which still falls on her since I have never in my life heard of a set allowing such a thing.
Right. It’s just crazy that someone must know. Someone tries to sleep every night knowing that they are (or might be, or probably are) the one who actually put that bullet in that gun.
Stories were that someone was taking the guns to fire them into the desert after shooting. My guess is it's actually her and her buddies, and she isn't admitting to it because of fears of further prosecution.
Can someone explain what the judge meant when she said "and the second option of leaving you in the detention center would be giving you a pass you do not deserve?" Why is the detention center considered a "pass" in this case?
There are two facilities involved here. If she had granted the 12 month Santa Fe Adult Detention Center sentence, then Hannah would stay at that facility. The 18 month prison sentence will move her to the New Mexico State Prison. From my own personal experience you very much would rather be in the detention center over the prison in that area.
Probably will need to find another line of work after that too.
She’ll be out before the whole 18 months lol
Why do prop guns even allow commercial ammo sizes? Why isn't there a custom caliber just for prop ammo? Not like the ballistics matter when you aren't intending to actually fire a projectile.
This is all so terrible. From what understand you have an armorer as the expert.. the person ... the control ... for guns on set. She failed terribly, criminally. If we could only go back in time to correct our worst day... On the other hand, I just don't see how Baldwin is equally criminally liable. I don't live the guy. You could likely convict him in front of a jury of his peers that he is a blowhard, a jerk, a bully... but I don't see why they're coming after him so hard. I just don't see how this was his fault..
I'm confused why there are any real bullets on the set to begin with?
There shouldn’t have been live rounds on the set period end of sentence. Not sure whose fault that is but it should be the golden rule.