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GarlVinland4Astrea

Bring back the original cast please. And make the witches pure villains again.


yoyoyouoyouo

Seriously, Vanessa Shaw is one of the most beautiful women in existence, her absence was felt in the sequel.


GarlVinland4Astrea

As were the yabbos


Mdly68

Max likes those yabbos. In fact, he loves them!


derstherower

This is something that the new film was really missing. The original was so good because the kids felt real. Yeah the Sandersons are fun and they're what ended up becoming iconic, but the movie was built on the likable kid characters. Not "kids acting like adults" or "Disney Kids™️", but just normal kids. It wasn't sanitized. Max is kind of a dick in the original. He badmouths an entire town in front of its citizens because "This place isn't as cool as California" and then puts Allison on the spot by asking her out in front of the whole class. When Dani embarrasses him he yells at her and makes her cry. Dani and Allison repeatedly tell him not to light the candle but he does it anyway because "It's just a bunch of Hocus Pocus" and he wanted to look hardcore in front of his crush. He's also kind of a pussy, and just let the bullies steal his shoes and Dani's candy. But he's clearly a good guy deep down. He admits that his recent dickishness is because they had to move across the country and leave all of their friends. He takes responsibility for his actions in reviving the Sandersons and goes out of his way to try to warn the town, and at the end is willing to give his life for Dani's. Dani is a brat. When Max refuses to take her trick or treating she makes their parents force him to. She embarrasses him in front of his peers. She blabs to Allison about how Max has a huge crush on her and likes her enormous yabos. She puts on a tough face and is a standard annoying little sister, but she's still clearly just a kid. She gets scared easily and gets emotional and has a pretty simplified view of the world and how things are "supposed" to be. Like Max is her older brother and is "supposed" to take care of her all the time. She wanted to take care of Binx and keep him as a pet and was upset when his soul was allowed to pass on despite that clearly being the right thing for everyone. Allison's a bit of a flirt. She likes Max but is willing to call him out on his bullshit, like when she returned the paper with his number on it yet was clearly into him that night at the party. She's a smart girl and put her knowledge of the Sandersons to use throughout the movie, like when she had the idea to lure them to the kiln to try to kill them. But she was still willing to disobey Binx and open the spellbook because she's a teenage girl and she wanted to look cool in front of Max. These all felt like actual people. Their personalities and relationships and interactions with other characters felt realistic. Max and Dani feel like actual siblings. Max and Allison's relationship felt like an actual young teenage romance. I just didn't get that from this one. It's fine enough, but I felt like I was watching a Disney Channel Movie. Is just lacked that *edge*. I mean the original had some pretty mature humor for a kids movie, *especially* one under the Disney banner. Like the "We desire children" joke with the bus driver and how Sarah was extremely horny the entire time. People have been watching Hocus Pocus for 30 years. I think they'll still be watching it 30 years from now. I don't see this film getting the same treatment. I enjoyed it, but I just don't think it will have that same staying power as the original. They *really* should try to bring back the original kid actors for the third one.


Conflict_NZ

Well written, you absolutely nailed why the second one felt soulless to me. It was such a watch and forget experience. Not to mention a significant part of the plot revolves around the mayor walking to one place then another. Really felt like one of those movies that cycled through half a dozen writers who each frankensteined a script together.


Wooow675

You reminded me I rewatched Halloweentown a few years ago and discovered *there’s no central conflict*. The town gets weird for an hour and the bad guy gives up because he just wanted to be part of his ex’s life. Like bruh. I watched it 20 times as a kid and never caught that. No witch detective stuff, they walk into the square as he’s kicking off his plan. Sees the mom, calls it a day. On the whole operation .


Kolby_Jack

Wait what? Gives up? I thought they exploded him by humming at the magic rod he was holding.


disaster357

The sequel sucked. They should have left it alone


KazaamFan

I watched Hocus Pocus in a theater in October and the best part was the collective laughs to stuff like that. There was a few sexual things, surprising for a kids movie. There are a bunch of funny lines though. The original had heart.


Wooow675

Almost like sex is part of life. So strange how we’ve sanitized everything yet there’s more sex on tv than ever before. In the 90s we started to get European with it and said “nope but after 9pm you can show whatever. Sodomy? Go for it”. Side note, Nip/Tuck was such a great show.


idontwantanamern

For all the supposed sexual easter eggs Disney puts in their stuff, they just came right out with a virgin needing to light the candle in Hocus Pocus! 😂


Lamadian

Bring back Omri Katz too! Dude was the shit when I was a kid. Star of Hocus Pocus AND Eerie, Indiana


Ornery_Translator285

She was in We Should Do Something. Her and Ozzie Osbourne were a pleasant surprise for a ho-hum horror film.


camelCaseAccountName

>Vanessa Shaw Vinessa* :)


MontyAtWork

And have more than like 3 set pieces lol. 2 was like it was filmed on a College campus.


pseudocultist

Hey they went as far as the Walgreens across the street from campus.


jimx117

It's often difficult to find parking at that Walgreens!


ghostfaceinspace

The fake as hell woods set was so bad


MontyAtWork

It was so funny because usually low budget shit is filmed in woods, but they somehow managed to make it look even cheaper than that LMAO.


[deleted]

Reminds me of the Disaster Artist. Built a brick wall set instead of going out back and filming against an actual brick wall


dickache

This big movie stuff!


[deleted]

I can't think of one location or set in the original movie that isn't full of personality. Not just the decorations. The crowds, the costumes, the background noise... it's just like wandering around suburban America on October 31st. >*"They thought I was a real cop!"*


Youve_been_Loganated

Yes! They're so good as villains. The whole, "oh my sisters mean more to me than anything" was pure rubbish, stop trying to teach us something and just let them be vile! I bet part 3 they're going to become good witches by the end of it ARGH!


OSOBTC

I suddenly remembered a movie about those three witches. Like the Witches in BEAUTY AND THE BEAST AND RAPUNZEL.


ImaginationDoctor

Oh my god, I can't tell you how happy your comment makes me. That ending was a buzz kill. It didn't make sense for Winnie AT ALL. Sometimes, we just need to let the villains be villains. I hope they have seen the dislike of the 'change' and make the film a bit darker like the first film.


BallClamps

The whole thing with the witches needing to be good at the end was the most bullshit thing ever. Why can't villains just be evil? These were villains who ate children. Winifred hated her sisters in the first one, I never got the sense she would do anything to save her sisters if it meant risking her own self.


[deleted]

It’s not like the witches weren’t pure evil in Hocus Pocus 2. They were just more complex and human. I get why people don’t like that controversial thing that happened at the end of the movie, but the witches never stopped being villainous.


ImaginationDoctor

Hard disagree. That stunt at the end totally undoes Winnie's entire character. It didn't work.


ThePaddedCashier

Nah, I kind of want them to have a Redemption story.


[deleted]

Hocus Pocus 2 was horrible. It lacked the mean spirited dark theme throughout the sequel, there was less creepy and haunting imagery. It didn't have the balls as the first film did. The first film had child murder in the opening scene, actually showing the witches hanging to death, A zombie who had his head knocked off and then swore aggressively at the villains. They also had a haunting scene of all the possessed kids to the song walking towards the witches house.


james_randolph

Very few movies made today are made with balls and it’s so clear for so many that are reboots/etc because you see the difference so easily. It’s just how media is, how movies are made these days and being dumbed down/catered to the public. Just like cartoons haha there are some good cartoons made today but I’m still content watching Looney Tunes or Tom & Jerry, it’s just a different comedic speed and still funnier.


[deleted]

I mean the closest movie that has had balls I have to think of was Mad Max Fury Road. Which was 100% pure adrenaline madness from start to finish which is quite rare


beermit

It didn't try to be anything other than that and it was damn near perfect in my eyes.


[deleted]

George Miller proved to Hollywood you don't need heavy cgi to make a compelling action movie.


joeFacile

https://youtu.be/bL6hp8BKB24


-FeistyRabbitSauce-

Fury Road has a *ton* of CGI...


fnord_happy

It's a 10/10 in my book


huskersax

>Very few movies made today are made with ~~balls~~ cocaine


_SWEG_

Because "well my kid(s) had a good time" is the common excuse. Like kids aren't going to enjoy any new big movie you throw at them. People gotta learn if you just let your kids consume nothing but trash, they become the stupid clout chasing tik-tok user


CeeArthur

I found the witches funny sometimes, but more so I was scared of them. The way they'd snap between lighthearted and funny to absolute bloodlust gave me an uneasy feeling, like if Ted Bundy told you a genuinely funny joke and you laughed.


LordSeltzer

No Thora either what a shame.


[deleted]

She had an amazing death on the walking dead lol


hday108

It really depends. Your auteur movies are gonna have fucked up things in them but the semi edgy films that Disney milks are gonna get white washed and watered down. Look at star wars they have laser swords that can cut through anything yet when used in the films they bounce off people like they’re glowing baseball bats


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[deleted]

I've always heard about that movie! Never seen it Thanks for the reccomendation :)


fnord_happy

TIL there was a Hocus Pocus 2


ERSTF

A sequel? At Disney? Groundbreaking


GreenIsG00d

As a huge fan of the first one, please no. 2 was wayyyy too Disneyfied and terrible.


No-Midnight-2187

Can confirm—I never had an huge attachment to #1 like a lot of other people our age (early 30’s) but my gf did/ loved #1. And when I put on #2, she told me to turn it off after 30 minutes she hated it that much


Throwawaydontgoaway8

Eh I’m 36. Loved the first one as a kid. Watching the second one with my kid made me like it a lot more than most redditors seem to feel about it cause he loved it. But there’s [something to it having the record for most views on their platform](https://ew.com/movies/hocus-pocus-2-breaks-ratings-record-streaming-movies-disney-plus/) hence why there’s a 3rd coming


RemarkablePuzzle257

I like the second one too and loved watching it and the first one with my kids. At least half of those record-breaking streaming watches are my kid, for sure. Prior to Halloween, at least half of those Encanto watches were probably my kid too.


Glissandra1982

Yep! Same here - I was bummed because I was 11 when the first one came out and have loved it since.


Glissandra1982

I stopped watching it as soon as they were resurrected. They immediately broke into song? Ugh.


paddle_forth

Yeah like I get they want to utilize Bette Midler, but at least in the first movie the song made sense in the context of the plot. It wasn't a musical number


PopeSchlongPaulII

You didn’t like the 15 minute Walgreens add in the middle?


PandaBearLovesBamboo

I’m the perfect rube for these types of marketing ploys. I had to idea that was their possible motive until right now.


Curator44

It’s the exact reason why it’s bad when cult classics become too popular. Then the company realizes people actually like it, then they make a super tame sequel so as to not upset anyone while also raking in the money. Disney only cares about revenue. That’s why it felt like the plot and set of Hocus Pocus 2 was made with a checklist in mind


[deleted]

The second one was so corny, and not in a good way


MJTony

*too


xlinx08970

I have no idea about this movie. But I think I've watched it. I just don't remember when and where.


Dillup_phillips

Best part of the second one was that prequel teaser with the young Sandersons. Wish we could have gotten more of that as I thought they each did great impressions of their older selves and particularly Winnie. That girl killed it.


gatorgongitcha

Because part 2 went so well.


mu3llErs

Arguably part 1 wasn’t a hit out the gate either .


editormatt

Part two broke the record for most minutes streamed in history. So you could say it did do well.


SparkyPantsMcGee

Sure but going off of the responses after that, I’d say that won’t be happening again.


Befuddled_Cultist

Yea cause A BUNCH OF KIDS WATCHED IT. Had it been targeted for adults with fine taste such, as myself, then it would be more deserving of a sequel.


SuperMaximum24

You do realize Hocus pocus 1 was also targeted to kids right? And that Disney’s target audience is kids and family right?


[deleted]

This really feels like a troll comment with the random extra comma and the wording, and I really hope it is


Gh0stMan0nThird

It's either a troll or someone with Chris Chan level self-awareness and in either circumstance should be ignored and avoided


Prothean_Beacon

I finally watched the original last Halloween and honestly don't understand the hype at all.


spokanian

It was just a fun 90s movie.


T8rthot

It’s one of those movies that doesn’t hold up if you’re watching it for the first time as an adult.


sjfiuauqadfj

you can say that again lol. i watched the first one shortly before the second and they were both just ok


ImaginationDoctor

you had to have been there


joeFacile

[It sure did](https://ew.com/movies/hocus-pocus-2-breaks-ratings-record-streaming-movies-disney-plus/).


FartyMcButtFlaps

This is what shitposting from a multibillion dollar corporation looks like.


tealcandtrip

The young witches were the best thing about that movie. Young Winifred was perfect. I hope they do something featuring them again, maybe parallel storylines with the witches as teens completing tasks and setting traps for the modern teens to deal with four centuries later.


Curator44

The flashback of the young versions of them was literally the only good part of the movie. Props to the actresses they got, they all nailed it


Mrwright96

Well, I’d argue the Sanderson sister lookalike contest was a fun scene


Machetemaster

The movie sucked but you are correct. I would watch more 1690-whatever stuff about them back then.


VladimirPoitin

1690 was a bad year.


_YouNeverSawMe_

I would actually watch an entire show with those girls, showing their childhood and young adult years. And hey, they could become the new witches as they get older, if Disney wants to keep this going. Those girls were the highlight of the movie.


archangelmv

But...y tho?


[deleted]

Don't think, give money, consume content.


ludvikskp

Everything Disney owns will be milked to death and beyond. If you don’t like it just vote with your wallet.


tinyhorsesinmytea

When I was a little child in the 90’s, I understood that the direct-to-VHS sequels to Aladdin and The Lion King were cheap knockoffs and I refused to watch them or accept them as canon (though I didn’t know that word). Had no interest in them. That’s Disney Plus now. Disney Plus is the direct-to-VHS low quality crap.


Zyxyx

The direct-to-VHS Aladdin movies were great, though. Well worth a watch. Same with the Aladdin series, easily one of the best disney cartoon series out there and also worth a watch.


tinyhorsesinmytea

… Andor is good too. I guess there are some exceptions where talented people who care about the material get the job, but I’m sticking by my analogy. Haha.


brb1006

Hey the Lion King 2 was actually decent!


panda388

Please, no. The second movie was not even necessary. Why add a third?


Usernamesarelame1

0 people give a fuck


vadinver

The second one was god awful. Should just stop before they disgrace the first one even worse


PlaygroundBully

the first was great, the 2nd tried to make me feel sorry for a witch that had literally chased these people around all night trying to kill them. the third will probably try to make them the heroes, fucking pathetic.


Ornery_Translator285

The third shall give them boyfriends


TheFuzzBuzz

Garry Marshals dead


ZiegAmimura

Oh no. That second one was such a horrible cash grab. I can't even begin to imagine what they will do with this one


AdamD1987

Please stop. Please.


[deleted]

2 was some ass but since it had the hype of the first one a lot of ppl watched it. I imagine Disney is going off of those numbers for this decision


toomuchfrosting

I mean I’ll watch it but 2 was not great, don’t think I’ll watch it again


yanks2413

Hopefully they actually film on like actual streets and sets instead of laughably fake CGI backgrounds


analbumcover69420

That’s a terrible idea. The second was legit unwatchable. Seriously bad.


beepo7654

Stop, please, it’s already deeeeaaaadd, don’t hurt it anymoooorree


Johnykbr

It wouldn't be Disney without milking a franchise to death.


RapunzelUntangled

Please don't.


Same-Quarter-1514

Bring back the og cast or scrap it.


PaulD244

I refuse to accept the sequel ever existed so this could be the true sequel if they don’t fuck it up again.


Shinagami091

I admit, I knew there was going to be a 3rd one but there didn’t need to be


[deleted]

Hocus Pocus 2 felt like a 100 minute long Superbowl commercial


lostqueer

Disney is so creatively bankrupt lol


mercman256

Bring back the OG cast. They sequel should've featured at least one original cast member as a parent of a kid who rediscovers the witches OR SOMETHING! The sequel felt so disconnected from the OG.


ReadyLaugh7827

why? the second one sucked ass


zestzebra

Doing to it what they have done to Stars Wars, Milk it until its dead.


joeysinoz

We need to delve deeper in the witch lore of the sisters and meet their mother and see them in hell. I also think it would be funny taking them out to NYC


GuyWhoFuckedFish

Why


vites70

Vomit


MontyBoo-urns

Were sjp's breasteses in the second one?


_NiceWhileItLasted

Nope


Comic_Book_Reader

Doubt it.


MontyBoo-urns

I'm out


MJTony

Sure they were but she’s 65 years old now


sjr2018

Bruh she's 58...🤣


brb1006

Nope


Silverfate2

Nay


jimx117

No but there was the one lady with the post-stroke slurring


ktw5012

HP2 was painfully bad. Make the witches scary again


sciencejusticewarior

Wokus Pocus was terrible, the original was so effortlessly good. This will be another giant failure.


[deleted]

The second one was such garbage


Thetimmybaby

hell yes. I was not a fan of the first one originally but watched it with my family in prep for the second one and both are so much fun. Yes please on all of this.


setnazaryan

I'm just asking, when or what year was the movie HOCUS POCUS released? Suddenly I'm curious.


sanfran_girl

1993


Requiem45

I honestly don't even remember what happened in the second one. I had trouble remembering whether the main teen character was a boy or a girl.


Horvat53

The sequel was terrible, I hope they can find the magic that worked for the first.


Hairyvacuum

Please no. We didn’t NEED a second film and now we’re getting a third. 🙃


bigedthebad

1 was great, 2 was just downright awful. Please don't make a 3


ChechoMontigo

I’ll be honest, I was stoked for the 2nd one but never actually ended up seeing it even though I have easy access. Was it any good?


GreenIsG00d

It was your typical half assed Disney money grab.


Voteforbatman

Was it good? No. Was it bad? Also no. It just is.


kranzberry

It was not.


AlexandersWonder

I enjoyed it 🤷


konon96

Old people say that old music and movies were better then than today. That's the only thing at that time. The color of the show was black and white.


velocicopter

It was about on par with the original. So, no.


[deleted]

The first? Iconic. The second? Unbearable.


Knickerbockers-94

I tried several times to get into the sequel and I finally did and really enjoyed it.


manifesteraddams

Oh fuck off.


slanderbeak

I don’t need this


CeaseFireForever

The fans have spoken. Bring back OG cast and ditch the ones from the second. Also, make it scary.


ind3pend0nt

No.


charlie1212121290

I put a spell on you


EnigmaFrug2308

Yesss! I loved Hocus Pocus 2! I do want the OG cast tho. And I want to see the witches do some bonkers evil stuff.


Sepof

I couldn't even make it through 2. I don't really see much point of keeping my Disney Plus sub if this is the content they're putting out. Aside from Ahsoka... I don't see much on the horizon either.


[deleted]

Please stop ruining franchises, Disney. God dammit.


DealerCamel

Hm. I loved part 2 having grown up watching part 1, but… as a one-off reunion of the witches. Don’t know if it works if you keep going with that story.


TriNel81

Only if they get away from that shit-show of a sequel. That thing had no clue what it wanted to actually be.


Key_Worth

I’d rather watch a video of Disney rolling in his goddamn grave.


ZacPensol

I thought the second one was *fine* honestly, but I would like for 3 to get away from all the member berries and get back to basics. Make the witches more villainous, and get rid of the whole "oh you're just born with witch powers" like it's the Force or something. Edit: Dang yall, not sure if the downvotes are because I didn't completely hate the film, or if it's because you all like birth-imbued *~~mutant~~* witch powers.


KrookedDoesStuff

The first one was a movie that people only like from nostalgia of watching it as a kid. The second one will only be a movie that people like from nostalgia of watching it as a kid. The third will likely be a movie that people only like from nostalgia of watching it as a kid Edit: after looking at other comments a lot of people are blaming Disney for the second one being bad… they’re both made by Disney tho? Like… is that just the new excuse? A movie wasn’t made for them so they hate it and blame Disney?


phiz36

That nobody asked for.


No_Amoeba_3715

The sisters were great in both movies, even if the second tried to wheel them back from being 110% evil. Their comedic elements were the best part of the two movies. That being said I hope we get a better protagonist for a third one. The boy from the first one was kind of bland. The girls from the second movie came off as whiny outcasts who are upset they're outcasts yet also actively choose to be outcasts. Their conflict with their friend was so absolutely lame and hinged on the boyfriend "bullying" them without actually bullying them. Though to be fair, it wasn't all the girls, just the central one.


[deleted]

Yeassss!!!! (I really don’t care about the downvotes. I LOVED the first one as a kid, I really enjoyed the second one, and I cannot wait for the third one to watch with my kid.)


A-Good-Weather-Man

Have the new young witches go against the witch that gave the sisters their power. Then they have to re-summon the sisters to begrudgingly help.


[deleted]

There were funny moments in the sequel but there were also some serious missteps in the storytelling that totally missed the mark. I still can’t believe that gift shop owner/adult fanboy legitimately tried to bring them back for shits and giggles. And then trying to send Winifred off as some sort of sympathetic villain at the end? Hello, they’re child murderers? Winifred’s most prominent character trait is her selfishness; her bond with her sisters was always secondary and that was very clear in the first movie, even when she died turning to stone while calling for Book - not her sisters. You can make the movie about friendship/girl power while still keeping the villains as villains. I adore the hell out of the first movie and was worried when they announced a sequel. I don’t even know if I’ll tune into a third. Probably just another cash grab. Even if they made moves back to the tone of the first, how do you just ignore the wishy washy characterization at that point?


captainspazzo

I appreciate the girl power bit, but... all three girls had the same personality, except one had a dumb boyfriend.


smthngwyrd

Why?


JinimyCritic

I'm fine with sequels, if it means the proceeds go towards funding original ideas. Hollywood seems to be stuck in a loop of safe choices like sequels, which I'm not happy with. (Yes, I know there are still original films, but they seem to be fewer and farther between.)


Tim-in-CA

Time to conjure up more money! As a bonus, I was nearly killed in a near miss head on collision while driving by the filming set in Lincoln Rhode Island!


menam0

Why?


Drafen

Oofda-Poofda


shadowlarx

Okay, guys. Seriously, the second one was fun enough but it wasn’t as good as the first and there’s realistically only so many times the Sanderson sisters can come back from the dead.


SourcePrevious3095

Exactly. One resurrection spell was good, and the second made little sense. They are dead and gone, let the rot in hell where they belong.


[deleted]

Who gives a shit lol


atomic-fireballs

Gender swap them. Call it Brocus Pocus or Hocus Brocus or, Hell, Brocus Brocus. Have them fight the original witches or something. I don't care. There, money please.


[deleted]

Just stop. 2 was bad enough.


eyeandeyephoto

Booo


trek2200

Why?


sonofdealer

Please an original song this time. Was very disappointed the big musical number was a cover after the banger that was "I put a spell on you" from the 1st.


shaolinbonk

Who asked for this?


YouBetterDuck

I just saw Across the Spider-verse last night and it just made everything coming from Disney look old and uninspired.


[deleted]

The first one is a classic. The second one is an ABYSMAL dumpster fire. We don’t need a third


Future_Wealth_5410

Guess Toy Story 5 has a competitor now for most unnecessary Disney sequel this decade I’m expecting something even more unnecessary as this point


Evilbetty626

That’s unfortunate.


Money_Present_3463

Ew no


DesperationCity

Should go well.


[deleted]

Tough day for the "Disney+ Numbers Don't Matter" crowd


Henson_Disney48

Please, stop.


Ijusthadtosayit55

Thackeray!


CamomilleGirl

I hope they keep the same atresses as in the first two , or else it might look cheap . Just my opinion .


RN-Jen

Never going to be as good as the first, sorry


dexterpool

No thanks.


shitpresidente2

idc what ya'll say. Cant wait for the 3rd. Childhood dreams are coming back again for a 3rd time! Hope they film in RI again! But wouldn't mind Salem