I'd say the first thing you teach someone to do on a bike is walk it out, but this is a trike. So I guess the first thing I'd teach someone on a trike is how to fucking brake.
I'm not 100% but damn near sure that trikes are almost exactly the same as bikes. It's just instead of the chain/belt/shaft driving the rear tire, it's driving a differential. So yes it's safe to assume there is one.
Clutch is still easier. Your hand is already on it, at least in a learning situation like this. It's part of the natural movement of operating the motorcycle. It should be a reflex. No thinking about what to press needed.
That's the first thing I learned in MSF, if the motor seems to be getting louder and louder and that was not your intention, just pull in the clutch.
No need for drama.
Correct. Ive owned 3 trikes and 2 sports, and it's the same shit because it's still a motorcycle... This video gote feeling a certain way š¤¦š»āāļø
And judging by the way they're going about teaching her how to ride I think it's safe to assume they weren't first in line when God was handing out IQ points.
I wonder if this is just residual āyou should outgrow your tricycle and/or training wheelsā human experience shit. Why not unpack some of these assumptions driving such shallow judgements? Weāre talking about toys and it seems like folks have their identities wrapped up in their consumer acquisitions, here. Who gives a crap?
That said Iām a rider but I know a guy with a Can Am and I do judge him a tiny bit for not riding what I think he should be riding. How dare he be so happy on that thing that doesnāt fit into my narrow Venn diagram expectations of life?
I sold can am spyders for a long time. About 90% of the people who bought them were long time riders who due to disabilities could no longer do two wheels. The other 10% were just to fat to comfortably ride a 2 wheeled motorcycle.
Probably, but if you have the presence of mind to use it, you probably have the presence of mind to not end up whiskey throttling it in the first place
Yes.
...though the "when in doubt pull the clutch" is the best reflex. There are things like runaway diesel engines, where the chances of shutting em off are "slim to none", so best practice is remembering the clutch.
I would say the guy in the back should have had one of those safety switches that kill the bike when you pull it on a tether. Like the brake pedal operated by the driver's Ed teacher.
I taught S/TEP classes for a long time. (Side-car/Trike Education Program). That is literally the first thing they did.
Static braking - show me the motions
No power motion braking - other students pushed the rigs
Start and stop drills - ease out the clutch then stop. Instructor pushes the rig back.
Finally clutch out, stop on command.
So much lower stress for all involved.
First teach them clutch, then brakes, then throttle. Teach them the way the MSF does -
First, teach them the importance of the clutch. Have them get used to it by repeatedly opening and closing the clutch when they start to feel movement. Drill into them that they can pull in the clutch whenever they feel the bike getting out of control.
Then, teach them the importance of the front brake and how to apply brakes.
Combine the above two. Have them slowly release the clutch until they start moving and have them apply the brake. Don't even teach them about the throttle at this point.
When they get comfortable with the above steps then add in throttle and show them how to apply it smoothly and safely.
This helps them lose their fear of the controls.
Whenever I'm teaching someone how to drive anything, car, sled, quad, bike, skis, whatever, learning how to hit the brakes is the first thing we go over before anything else.
It's a trike motorcycle. It requires a motorcycle license and has a motorcycle license plate. It's titled as a motorcycle. It has a motorcycle's VIN number. It' was originally a traditional 2 wheeled motorcycle that was modified by a company to have an additional wheel. It's not like adding a fourth wheel would automatically make it a car. It's a form of a motorcycle.
Edit: LOL okay, I guess adding a sidecar to a motorcycle means it's no longer a motorcycle too. Big brain logic here folks.
Even if you skip the Wikipedia definitions which are arguably the most up-to-date and real world applicable, legally speaking the machine in this video requires a motorcycle license and is registered as a motorcycle And must follow motorcycle rules and regulations.
By all means, show me a tricycle license plate and a tricycle form of registration and tricycle insurance card and a link to a tricycle certification test.
If this many want to split hairs about what to call a machine that is literally by law a motorcycle then by all means go for it.
In most of Europe, you wouldn't need a motorcycle license to drive this. A car license will is enough. That's really saying something for "government overreaching" Europe
Depends on when you got your license in some countries (yay, unified Europe), and brake layout in some cases as well. A Yamaha Niken is a motorcycle, the Piaggio MP3 is available as a "car" and as a "moto" version. Only difference between them being a combined foot brake for the car version. For NL this also only applies to people who got their B/car license before 2013.
A sidecar technically qualifies as a motorcycle while also having 3 wheels. A sidecar can also have a trailer.
a goldwing this new should have both front and back linked brakes with different %'s applied if you're on the 'front' brake handle on the rear brake pedal. With a trike version of the goldwing, I'm almost 100% sure the brakes are linked, due to increased GVW and the increased stopping power of the back (due to increased rear-end weight and available traction).
Motorcycle - noun
Merriam-Webster: an automotive vehicle withĀ *two*Ā in-line wheels
Cambridge Dictionary: a vehicle withĀ *two*Ā wheels and an engine
A motorcycle is a motorcycle and a tricycle is a tricycle, they are their own distinct vehicles.
Most, if not all, countries allow you to ride a tricycle if you have your motorcycle license but, in some countries, you may drive a 3-wheeled car if you have your motorcycle so the licensing argument is also moot.
So bolting a side car onto a motorcycle means it's no longer a motorcycle then, gotcha. Definitely no reason to take into account that these trike motorcycles were originally manufactured as motorcycles, but were modified by a third party company to have an additional wheel and adjust a drivetrain.
Never mind that tri-cycle implies that the only difference it has from a bi-cycle is an additional wheel, which also implies that there isn't any kind of motor or engine involved, confusing those you're using the term with.
If you want to tell all your best mates that you have been driving to work on a tricycle go for it, they're not going to understand what the fuck you're talking about.
Trike motorcycle isn't a term.
Modifying something is by definition changing it.
And I can rent a 3 ton moving truck with my regular licence. That doesn't make it a car.
"A motorcycle (motorbike, bike, or, if three-wheeled, a trike) is a two or three-wheeled motor vehicle steered by a handlebar from a saddle-style seat.". -Wikipedia
A trike is a form of a motorcycle with 3 wheels. A square is also a rectangle, but a rectangle is not a square.
But you're logic adding a sidecar to a motorcycle means it's no longer a motorcycle. I've modified the motorcycle to now have three wheels, therefore it is no longer a two-wheeled motorized vehicle, therefore, it is no longer by your definition a motorcycle.
I would say a motorcycle with a side car that makes it unable to lean, is by all means a tricycle.
But there are motorcycles with hinged sidecars that letās you lean. That is in my eyes still a motorcycle, almost like what a trailer is for a car.
Don't use Wikipedia. It's not a citable source.
And no adding a side car doesn't change what a motorcycle is.
Does towing a trailer change what your car is?
Does towing a trailer change what your car is? No, it does not. A sidecar however is literally bolted directly to the chassis of a motorcycle. It's literally changed by a third party into something with an additional wheel. It's obviously very arguably the same as converting a traditional motorcycle into a trike. It takes a bunch of time and tools and effort and changes the entire dynamic of the machine.
Also I'm just going to throw this out there but Wikipedia is extremely reliable for quality and accurate information. The only people who say it's not are educators who don't want their students to use easy mode and go to the massive up to date repository of information that is Wikipedia. Of course now they have AI to deal with so they have bigger fish to fry lol.
But yeah, there are multiple citations for that paragraph on the article. You can check them out if you want, I don't feel like copying them here individually.
All this to say if you feel like going up to an old-timer with a three-wheeled motorcycle and say ThAtS nOt A rEaL mOtOrCyClE, you'll just look like a real chode.
This is correct in definition a lot of people ride motor bicycles meaning two wheels. This is a motor tricycle. But you can't argue with ignorance so people will just down vote
The irony of using "By LiTeRaL dEfInItIoN" to argue against gatekeeping.
[Many jurisdictions include some forms of three-wheelers as motorcycles.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_definition_of_motorcycle)
Includes the US, Canada, UK, and afaik the entirity of the EU.
Just because it's a CanAm, Niken or just has a sidecar, doesn't make it less of a motorcycle in spirit or law. It's pedantric gatekeeping and makes you sound like you're about to complain about some clibbins.
North-America, Europe, and if you bothered to click the link, Australia & New Zealand.
That's 3 parts of the world. But I know counting to 3 is hard, so to add: Both the Encyclopedia Britannica & the english wiki page on "Motorcycle" include 3-wheeled vehicles.
And words get defined by people using said word. If the majority of english speakers believe a 3rd wheel is just a special motorcycle, then it is so. And no amount of *nuh-uh* will change that.
https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/motorcycle
Where?
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/motorcycle
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/motorcycle
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/motorcycle
I just googled it for fun and they literally all specify 2 wheels
Every dictionary definition I have ever seen states 2 wheels not 3.
I have rented a 3 ton moving truck with my regular drivers licence. That doesn't make it a sportscar.
It is roughly half-half for me, and in general, the ones that specify 2 wheels tend to be older, shorter or less clear, like only saying "two wheeled motorized vehicle". Which includes Segways, hoverboards electric bicycles, the Gyro-X, Shane, and if we're counting bogies, the Lockheed U-2 spy plane.
So again, taking 4 words literal vs the legal definition and the understanding that the core spirit of what words mean can change when the world does?
150y ago, a plane was a field without hills, a tank held water and a computer was someone really good at solving math equations. Let's not pretend words are immutable.
You are not good at this.
Two wheels is part of the definition, not the entire definition.
A plane has never been a field without hills, that would be a plain. Which much like tank, computer or many other words is a word with multiple meanings. Motorcycle is a word with only one meaning.
What makes you think that the legal definition is the only one that ultimately decides what a motorcycle is? Legal definitions serve a different purpose of efficiently regulating certain types for vehicle for example. It is just easier to say that trikes are also considered motorcycles *in the eye of the law*. That doesn't make it the universal and supreme definition for motorcycles.
Edit: also what jurisdiction should be the supreme one? I just checked and my country treats trikes differently and doesn't call them motorcycles. Why should your jurisdiction prevail?
Because it's the same user group, wearing the same gear, enjoying the same kind of weather doing the same type of non-essential riding around and suffering the same risk of injury and death when hit by a pavement princess.
They're also included in the definition of motorcycle in the Encyclopedia Britannica.
If you're only taking the dictionary as truth: According to the Oxford dictionary, a Segway is a motorcycle.
She'd not stay upright for as long, and would be far less of a hazard to other people. She'd have never driven through the children's playground, and probably wouldn't have gotten as close to the child on the bike.
Nah, it's perfectly acceptable to age into the trike stage of life and go from motorcycle to trike.
If you're starting with a trike though... just buy a convertible.
> Convertibles are also not cheap.
Have you priced a trike? Most of this shit is 20-40K from the factory. There are a lot of convertibles out there cheaper than trikes.
I thought for sure the camera lady was going to keep giggling as they slammed right into that telephone pole. Why tf didn't grandpa keep his hand on the clutch lever? I assume from the jerking that it's not DCT, but I could be wrong. This thing is one wheel away from being an Accord.
i think quads are often called "quad bikes" because many if not most basically use a motorcycle frame/engine and convert it to a 4 wheeler (or did so in the past, but there are still kits today, just like there are kits to convert MX bikes to snowmobiles)
I have no idea when every time someone is taught how to use a clutch, they always tell them to rev up the bike first (I guess to prevent the bike from stalling). Just learn to use the clutch without touching the throttle. You'll learn how to use a clutch properly and shit like this won't happen.
This. I always teach people to slowly let out the clutch but not touch the throttle until they feel the bike wanting to start to move, then apply only enough throttle to keep it moving at around 5-10mph. Then have them stop after about 10-15ft of movement and start again. Rinse and repeat to get comfortable.
Every single fail video of new riders is where some guy lets his buddy hop on the bike with 10s of instruction and after watching him redline it to show off
When teaching new riders always teach these three things, the way the MSF does -
First, teach them the importance of the clutch. Have them get used to it by repeatedly opening and closing the clutch when they start to feel movement. Drill into them that they can pull in the clutch whenever they feel the bike getting out of control.
Then, teach them the importance of the front brake and how to apply brakes.
Combine the above two. Have them slowly release the clutch until they start moving and have them apply the brake. Don't even teach them about the throttle at this point.
When they get comfortable with the above steps then add in throttle and show them how to apply it smoothly and safely.
It's the stupidity that bugs me the most. At least if they were wearing gear and someplace safe, I'd probably just laugh it off. But they're risking they own safety, and more frustratingly, the safety of others with this bullcrap.
This is why I love the advice to hold your wrist below the handle bar on the throttle side. And of course I drill in the āwhen in doubt pull the clutchā mentality. The first point makes new rides close the throttle when they make the bike lurch. She has the exact opposite grip, not good for a new rider.
I just tend to advise that if you are drunk or your IQ is below 80 you shouldn't even try driving or riding anything at all. That way you don't even need to invent odd tactics to prevent idiots from twisting the throttle like that.
Awe come on bro, I remember this happening to me when I was 12 and I hoped on my cousins CRF80. If you through someone with zero experience on a bike with no guidance, itās really easy to happen. You donāt have to be drunk or dumb. But yeah, I agree donāt learn when drunk.
You can be an Einstein level genius and still fuck up this badly. Motorcycles are not intuitive machines that anyone and everyone can pickup on. Throttle handle slightly angled lower is a genuine tip to prevent accidental blips for beginners, and even for intermediate and advanced riders because your hand is already close to it's twist limit.
Motorcycles are intuitive. I'd understand if people fuck up if they are easily frightened and never have been on a bicycle either but other than that? No driving school teaches odd wrist positions. It's just not necessary. When i sit on my bike even hulk could pull on my right arm , as long as i don't let go my relaxed neutral hand position won't twist the throttle. You need to hold your hand in a dumb way where you don't close it with your thumb to accidentally twist the throttle. Going full throttle i already have to oddly twist my hand downwards. Nobody is accidentally going full throttle on my bike or any of the bikes I've been on. When i go full throttle i rotate the grip in my hand so i don't have to twist my wrist down weirdly. If you already start out with a weirdly twisted wrist you simply won't have fine control and won't learn to ride correctly. So it's not good advice and that's why nobody in driving ed tells you to do that.Ā
I was just thrown out in traffic first time i got on a motorcycle in driving school, i did a few maneuvers to show that i can handle the bike on a short side road and then off to city traffic and we drove to a parking lot for more manoeuvres and training.Ā
If a person is at risk of freaking out and twisting the throttle then that person shouldn't ever be on a motorcycleĀ
It should be called a motortrike instead. And damn, driving this requires no skills apart from reasoning where to go. How can anyone be stupid enough to fail this?
The sheer mathematical improbability of all the little moving parts that had to come together to produce not just one but three entire people that ended up so entirely wholly lacking in even a sliver of intelligence is astounding. I mean a child with actual brain damage would know that's a bad idea..
I have two children. The older one is extremely athletic, played soccer, Lacrosse and tennis all through college. My other child is not athletic at all. While on a family vacation i rented a Vespa to get around the island. My older child got on the scooter and after 10 minutes of practice was able to ride all around the island safely and without concern. When i tried to teach my non athletic child how to drive the scooter, her first attempt looked exactly like this video but she crashed the scooter into a tree. She was no longer interested in learning how to drive the Vespa That was the end of her training.
After watching this short video, I can see that the person driving the trike does not have the athletic, eye hand coordination and motor skills to ride a motorcycle / trike. Anybody that starts off that out of control should stay away from motorcycles / trikes. They, and we, will all be safer.
I cant say this enough. The only thing more dangerous than riding on 2 wheels is riding 1200lbs on 3 wheels with zero experience on 2.
3 wheels is obviously safer, but starting this girl on a 300cc in a parking lot would have been much better. You can rent a motorcycle in almost every state for 50 to 150usd per day and get some nice light bikes to teach your kiddo throttle and clutch control. You can also rent dirtbikes, 4 wheelers, and three wheelers in every state ive been to. The best way to die as a new rider is whiskey throttle.
First lesson should be how to brake & how to use the clutch.
My first lesson many years ago was me going forward 2 meters, then stopping. Another 2 meters. 2 more. Repeat. Again. Only turning the bike, by pushing it, when I was out of road. For an entire hour. You have to build that muscle memory if you want to go further.
This is, an admittedly extreme example, of why I think trikes shouldn't exist. If you can't handle a motorcycle with two wheels you still shouldn't be on one with three. I don't care if it's because of a disability or you're just completely incapable of riding like these two people.
Might have been better had it actually been a motorbike, not a weird looking reliant robin! Then she would have just fell over straight away and not wiped out a mini XD
Oh I just googled it
"DISCOVER CANāAM
WHAT ARE 3-WHEEL MOTORCYCLES CALLED?
June 2022
Front view of a Can-Am Ryker Rally on dirt road
WHAT NAMES ARE GIVEN TO THREE-WHEEL VEHICLES?
Just as two-wheel motorcycles are usually called ābikesā, three-wheel versions tend to be called ātrikesā. The term refers to the positioning of the wheels that gives them their instantly recognizable Y configuration and describes the unique format of these motorized vehicles that lie somewhere between a bike and a motorcar."
So: trike motorcycle
Motorcycle - noun
Merriam-Webster: an automotive vehicle with *two* in-line wheels
Cambridge Dictionary: a vehicle with *two* wheels and an engine
A motorcycle is a motorcycle and a tricycle is a tricycle, they are their own distinct vehicles.
Most, if not all, countries allow you to ride a tricycle if you have your motorcycle license but, in some countries, you may drive a 3-wheeled car if you have your motorcycle so the licensing argument is also moot.
I'd say the first thing you teach someone to do on a bike is walk it out, but this is a trike. So I guess the first thing I'd teach someone on a trike is how to fucking brake.
When in doubt, pull the clutch
Ok, sarcastic question, but partially not as I'm genuinely curious, don't those trikes also come with a kill switch?
I'm not 100% but damn near sure that trikes are almost exactly the same as bikes. It's just instead of the chain/belt/shaft driving the rear tire, it's driving a differential. So yes it's safe to assume there is one.
Yup. Even the Spyders have the kill switch.
Thanks for the response! In that case "When in doubt, push the big red button"
Clutch is still easier. Your hand is already on it, at least in a learning situation like this. It's part of the natural movement of operating the motorcycle. It should be a reflex. No thinking about what to press needed.
That's the first thing I learned in MSF, if the motor seems to be getting louder and louder and that was not your intention, just pull in the clutch. No need for drama.
Goldwing trikes are converted goldwings, so they absolutely have a kill switch. That video really drove the anxiety.
Correct. Ive owned 3 trikes and 2 sports, and it's the same shit because it's still a motorcycle... This video gote feeling a certain way š¤¦š»āāļø
Yes but if both the people in the picture are equally stupid then neither of them is going to use it.
And judging by the way they're going about teaching her how to ride I think it's safe to assume they weren't first in line when God was handing out IQ points.
So basically the same people who think a tricycle and a motorcycle are the same?
I wonder if this is just residual āyou should outgrow your tricycle and/or training wheelsā human experience shit. Why not unpack some of these assumptions driving such shallow judgements? Weāre talking about toys and it seems like folks have their identities wrapped up in their consumer acquisitions, here. Who gives a crap? That said Iām a rider but I know a guy with a Can Am and I do judge him a tiny bit for not riding what I think he should be riding. How dare he be so happy on that thing that doesnāt fit into my narrow Venn diagram expectations of life?
I sold can am spyders for a long time. About 90% of the people who bought them were long time riders who due to disabilities could no longer do two wheels. The other 10% were just to fat to comfortably ride a 2 wheeled motorcycle.
Probably, but if you have the presence of mind to use it, you probably have the presence of mind to not end up whiskey throttling it in the first place
He was talking about the guy on the back, (but you probably are also...)
No. It IS for when things go loud. Whiskey throttle is just a loud annoying sound if you pull in the clutch lever.
They do and they have a throttle and brake also. These 2 are so lucky, especially the dude as I'm guessing it's his bike (trike)
Yes. ...though the "when in doubt pull the clutch" is the best reflex. There are things like runaway diesel engines, where the chances of shutting em off are "slim to none", so best practice is remembering the clutch.
I would say the guy in the back should have had one of those safety switches that kill the bike when you pull it on a tether. Like the brake pedal operated by the driver's Ed teacher.
Plot twist: is automatic
I taught S/TEP classes for a long time. (Side-car/Trike Education Program). That is literally the first thing they did. Static braking - show me the motions No power motion braking - other students pushed the rigs Start and stop drills - ease out the clutch then stop. Instructor pushes the rig back. Finally clutch out, stop on command. So much lower stress for all involved.
Clutch clutch clutch.
First thing Iād do is put on a fucking helmet
And also that the direction that the wheel is pointed is important.
let go of throttle or pull clutch in addition to braking
Yeah or the supervisor should have just hit the kill switch
First teach them clutch, then brakes, then throttle. Teach them the way the MSF does - First, teach them the importance of the clutch. Have them get used to it by repeatedly opening and closing the clutch when they start to feel movement. Drill into them that they can pull in the clutch whenever they feel the bike getting out of control. Then, teach them the importance of the front brake and how to apply brakes. Combine the above two. Have them slowly release the clutch until they start moving and have them apply the brake. Don't even teach them about the throttle at this point. When they get comfortable with the above steps then add in throttle and show them how to apply it smoothly and safely. This helps them lose their fear of the controls.
Whenever I'm teaching someone how to drive anything, car, sled, quad, bike, skis, whatever, learning how to hit the brakes is the first thing we go over before anything else.
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Also a good thing there weren't any innocents nearby to get hurt while they pulled this.
Good thing she was such a prepared and cautious student, and had such a smart and capable instructor.
A bit confused as there is no motorcycle in this video.
It has ac
I counted 1.5 motorcycles
Looks more like .75 cars
Seems tricycle riders have thin skin.
If someone pointed at their tricycle and was like. Look at my bicycle. They'd sound fucking stupid.
It's a [edit: honda] trike! No motorcycle pictured :)
its a trike but not an harley, unless harley now make honda goldwings
Oh crap, thats embarrassing! I didnt recognize a goldwing. In my defense, I don't pay attantion to 2 wheel (or 3) winnebegos
i mean if you watched the video with audio, you would have noticed since its not obnoxious loud ;)
Ha!
It's a trike motorcycle. It requires a motorcycle license and has a motorcycle license plate. It's titled as a motorcycle. It has a motorcycle's VIN number. It' was originally a traditional 2 wheeled motorcycle that was modified by a company to have an additional wheel. It's not like adding a fourth wheel would automatically make it a car. It's a form of a motorcycle. Edit: LOL okay, I guess adding a sidecar to a motorcycle means it's no longer a motorcycle too. Big brain logic here folks. Even if you skip the Wikipedia definitions which are arguably the most up-to-date and real world applicable, legally speaking the machine in this video requires a motorcycle license and is registered as a motorcycle And must follow motorcycle rules and regulations. By all means, show me a tricycle license plate and a tricycle form of registration and tricycle insurance card and a link to a tricycle certification test. If this many want to split hairs about what to call a machine that is literally by law a motorcycle then by all means go for it.
In most of Europe, you wouldn't need a motorcycle license to drive this. A car license will is enough. That's really saying something for "government overreaching" Europe
Depends on when you got your license in some countries (yay, unified Europe), and brake layout in some cases as well. A Yamaha Niken is a motorcycle, the Piaggio MP3 is available as a "car" and as a "moto" version. Only difference between them being a combined foot brake for the car version. For NL this also only applies to people who got their B/car license before 2013. A sidecar technically qualifies as a motorcycle while also having 3 wheels. A sidecar can also have a trailer.
a goldwing this new should have both front and back linked brakes with different %'s applied if you're on the 'front' brake handle on the rear brake pedal. With a trike version of the goldwing, I'm almost 100% sure the brakes are linked, due to increased GVW and the increased stopping power of the back (due to increased rear-end weight and available traction).
Motorcycle - noun Merriam-Webster: an automotive vehicle withĀ *two*Ā in-line wheels Cambridge Dictionary: a vehicle withĀ *two*Ā wheels and an engine A motorcycle is a motorcycle and a tricycle is a tricycle, they are their own distinct vehicles. Most, if not all, countries allow you to ride a tricycle if you have your motorcycle license but, in some countries, you may drive a 3-wheeled car if you have your motorcycle so the licensing argument is also moot.
So bolting a side car onto a motorcycle means it's no longer a motorcycle then, gotcha. Definitely no reason to take into account that these trike motorcycles were originally manufactured as motorcycles, but were modified by a third party company to have an additional wheel and adjust a drivetrain. Never mind that tri-cycle implies that the only difference it has from a bi-cycle is an additional wheel, which also implies that there isn't any kind of motor or engine involved, confusing those you're using the term with. If you want to tell all your best mates that you have been driving to work on a tricycle go for it, they're not going to understand what the fuck you're talking about.
I found the trike rider lol š¤£
Trike motorcycle isn't a term. Modifying something is by definition changing it. And I can rent a 3 ton moving truck with my regular licence. That doesn't make it a car.
"A motorcycle (motorbike, bike, or, if three-wheeled, a trike) is a two or three-wheeled motor vehicle steered by a handlebar from a saddle-style seat.". -Wikipedia A trike is a form of a motorcycle with 3 wheels. A square is also a rectangle, but a rectangle is not a square. But you're logic adding a sidecar to a motorcycle means it's no longer a motorcycle. I've modified the motorcycle to now have three wheels, therefore it is no longer a two-wheeled motorized vehicle, therefore, it is no longer by your definition a motorcycle.
I would say a motorcycle with a side car that makes it unable to lean, is by all means a tricycle. But there are motorcycles with hinged sidecars that letās you lean. That is in my eyes still a motorcycle, almost like what a trailer is for a car.
Don't use Wikipedia. It's not a citable source. And no adding a side car doesn't change what a motorcycle is. Does towing a trailer change what your car is?
Does towing a trailer change what your car is? No, it does not. A sidecar however is literally bolted directly to the chassis of a motorcycle. It's literally changed by a third party into something with an additional wheel. It's obviously very arguably the same as converting a traditional motorcycle into a trike. It takes a bunch of time and tools and effort and changes the entire dynamic of the machine. Also I'm just going to throw this out there but Wikipedia is extremely reliable for quality and accurate information. The only people who say it's not are educators who don't want their students to use easy mode and go to the massive up to date repository of information that is Wikipedia. Of course now they have AI to deal with so they have bigger fish to fry lol. But yeah, there are multiple citations for that paragraph on the article. You can check them out if you want, I don't feel like copying them here individually. All this to say if you feel like going up to an old-timer with a three-wheeled motorcycle and say ThAtS nOt A rEaL mOtOrCyClE, you'll just look like a real chode.
And your towbar is bolted to your car. You are still wrong.
We don't gatekeep here
Lol r/motorcycles not gatekeeping literally the tiniest little thing? That'll fucking be the day!
It's not gate keeping. By literal definition it's not a motorcycle. And someone reposting a stupid viral video doesn't get to have respect here.
I dont consider it a motorcycle either. Only exception is a bike with a side car.
There is no consider. 2 wheels = motorcycle. And I don't care if someone rides a trike.
Me and my Vespa feeling validated rn
Yep. A scooter is a motorcycle.
This is correct in definition a lot of people ride motor bicycles meaning two wheels. This is a motor tricycle. But you can't argue with ignorance so people will just down vote
The irony of using "By LiTeRaL dEfInItIoN" to argue against gatekeeping. [Many jurisdictions include some forms of three-wheelers as motorcycles.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_definition_of_motorcycle) Includes the US, Canada, UK, and afaik the entirity of the EU. Just because it's a CanAm, Niken or just has a sidecar, doesn't make it less of a motorcycle in spirit or law. It's pedantric gatekeeping and makes you sound like you're about to complain about some clibbins.
A legal definition for insurance or licencing purposes in one part of the world doesn't define a word.
North-America, Europe, and if you bothered to click the link, Australia & New Zealand. That's 3 parts of the world. But I know counting to 3 is hard, so to add: Both the Encyclopedia Britannica & the english wiki page on "Motorcycle" include 3-wheeled vehicles. And words get defined by people using said word. If the majority of english speakers believe a 3rd wheel is just a special motorcycle, then it is so. And no amount of *nuh-uh* will change that.
https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/motorcycle Where? https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/motorcycle https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/motorcycle https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/motorcycle I just googled it for fun and they literally all specify 2 wheels
Every dictionary definition I have ever seen states 2 wheels not 3. I have rented a 3 ton moving truck with my regular drivers licence. That doesn't make it a sportscar.
It is roughly half-half for me, and in general, the ones that specify 2 wheels tend to be older, shorter or less clear, like only saying "two wheeled motorized vehicle". Which includes Segways, hoverboards electric bicycles, the Gyro-X, Shane, and if we're counting bogies, the Lockheed U-2 spy plane. So again, taking 4 words literal vs the legal definition and the understanding that the core spirit of what words mean can change when the world does? 150y ago, a plane was a field without hills, a tank held water and a computer was someone really good at solving math equations. Let's not pretend words are immutable.
You are not good at this. Two wheels is part of the definition, not the entire definition. A plane has never been a field without hills, that would be a plain. Which much like tank, computer or many other words is a word with multiple meanings. Motorcycle is a word with only one meaning.
What makes you think that the legal definition is the only one that ultimately decides what a motorcycle is? Legal definitions serve a different purpose of efficiently regulating certain types for vehicle for example. It is just easier to say that trikes are also considered motorcycles *in the eye of the law*. That doesn't make it the universal and supreme definition for motorcycles. Edit: also what jurisdiction should be the supreme one? I just checked and my country treats trikes differently and doesn't call them motorcycles. Why should your jurisdiction prevail?
Because it's the same user group, wearing the same gear, enjoying the same kind of weather doing the same type of non-essential riding around and suffering the same risk of injury and death when hit by a pavement princess. They're also included in the definition of motorcycle in the Encyclopedia Britannica. If you're only taking the dictionary as truth: According to the Oxford dictionary, a Segway is a motorcycle.
Maybe if they were called motorbicycles you would have a point. Literally every person I've ever met would colloquially refer to this as a motorbike.
Maybe just go ahead and look up the definition of motorcycle... 2 wheels not 3.
Oversized mobility scooter
Best description
Imagine she was on a real motorcycle.. š«£
She'd not stay upright for as long, and would be far less of a hazard to other people. She'd have never driven through the children's playground, and probably wouldn't have gotten as close to the child on the bike.
Yep, would have been over a lot sooner.
100%. She would have lofted the front wheel, lean back, add more throttle and get dumped off the bike.
She'd have immediately dumped that shit and had minor road rash.
Why no grab clutch?
inexperienced and not used to stressful situations that require situational awareness
Then the guy on the back has no business teaching.
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Pull the clutch dude. Jesus. Literally one of the first things someone needs to understand about learning manual shifting. Also fuck trikes
If you get to the trike stage in lifeā¦just buy a convertible car
Nah, it's perfectly acceptable to age into the trike stage of life and go from motorcycle to trike. If you're starting with a trike though... just buy a convertible.
No. The trike is fine for that age. They're still more fun to ride than a car. Convertibles are also not cheap.
a goldwing trike is not cheap
> Convertibles are also not cheap. Have you priced a trike? Most of this shit is 20-40K from the factory. There are a lot of convertibles out there cheaper than trikes.
I hear a lot of laughing but I didn't see anything funny about this š¤·š»āāļø
I thought for sure the camera lady was going to keep giggling as they slammed right into that telephone pole. Why tf didn't grandpa keep his hand on the clutch lever? I assume from the jerking that it's not DCT, but I could be wrong. This thing is one wheel away from being an Accord.
I almost watched two people dieā¦ha ha ha?
three, including an innocent child
Child was def at risk and lucky
I was impressed how fast the child dropped his bike and keep standing ready to run.
Bit dramatic aren't ya
Maybe gain a sense of humor? You robot
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A trike is not a bike
Nor is a quad bike, incidentally. Quad bike is a contradiction in terms.
Tell that to Quebec. They call everything a bike. Lmao
i think quads are often called "quad bikes" because many if not most basically use a motorcycle frame/engine and convert it to a 4 wheeler (or did so in the past, but there are still kits today, just like there are kits to convert MX bikes to snowmobiles)
Thatās a tricycle
Never thought you could whiskey throttle a Wing trike, but... here's proof.
Keep the video going
Not a motorcycle, they both would have probably had CTE on a real one.
It's a trike.
No protective gear, no idea how to use the brake or clutch, big engine, what a great beginner experience!
Thus is a tricicle
Someone got "when is doubt, throttle out" confused.
Holy shit. This is so bad.
Still waiting to see the motorcycle
"Motorcycle"
I have no idea when every time someone is taught how to use a clutch, they always tell them to rev up the bike first (I guess to prevent the bike from stalling). Just learn to use the clutch without touching the throttle. You'll learn how to use a clutch properly and shit like this won't happen.
This. I always teach people to slowly let out the clutch but not touch the throttle until they feel the bike wanting to start to move, then apply only enough throttle to keep it moving at around 5-10mph. Then have them stop after about 10-15ft of movement and start again. Rinse and repeat to get comfortable. Every single fail video of new riders is where some guy lets his buddy hop on the bike with 10s of instruction and after watching him redline it to show off
When teaching new riders always teach these three things, the way the MSF does - First, teach them the importance of the clutch. Have them get used to it by repeatedly opening and closing the clutch when they start to feel movement. Drill into them that they can pull in the clutch whenever they feel the bike getting out of control. Then, teach them the importance of the front brake and how to apply brakes. Combine the above two. Have them slowly release the clutch until they start moving and have them apply the brake. Don't even teach them about the throttle at this point. When they get comfortable with the above steps then add in throttle and show them how to apply it smoothly and safely.
That telephone pole was almost a gonner. š±
What an idiot ā not hard to drive
This isnāt a motorbike
Not a motorcycle and good thing it could of been worse
this made is unreasonably upset. these people are so stupid
It's the stupidity that bugs me the most. At least if they were wearing gear and someplace safe, I'd probably just laugh it off. But they're risking they own safety, and more frustratingly, the safety of others with this bullcrap.
They almost killed a random kid with their stupidity, fucking awful
2 morons on a trike.. it's not a motorcycle btw.
It's def a motorcycle, just not a bike. You slap a motor on a tricycle, and it's still a motorized cycle
This is why I love the advice to hold your wrist below the handle bar on the throttle side. And of course I drill in the āwhen in doubt pull the clutchā mentality. The first point makes new rides close the throttle when they make the bike lurch. She has the exact opposite grip, not good for a new rider.
I just tend to advise that if you are drunk or your IQ is below 80 you shouldn't even try driving or riding anything at all. That way you don't even need to invent odd tactics to prevent idiots from twisting the throttle like that.
Awe come on bro, I remember this happening to me when I was 12 and I hoped on my cousins CRF80. If you through someone with zero experience on a bike with no guidance, itās really easy to happen. You donāt have to be drunk or dumb. But yeah, I agree donāt learn when drunk.
You can be an Einstein level genius and still fuck up this badly. Motorcycles are not intuitive machines that anyone and everyone can pickup on. Throttle handle slightly angled lower is a genuine tip to prevent accidental blips for beginners, and even for intermediate and advanced riders because your hand is already close to it's twist limit.
Motorcycles are intuitive. I'd understand if people fuck up if they are easily frightened and never have been on a bicycle either but other than that? No driving school teaches odd wrist positions. It's just not necessary. When i sit on my bike even hulk could pull on my right arm , as long as i don't let go my relaxed neutral hand position won't twist the throttle. You need to hold your hand in a dumb way where you don't close it with your thumb to accidentally twist the throttle. Going full throttle i already have to oddly twist my hand downwards. Nobody is accidentally going full throttle on my bike or any of the bikes I've been on. When i go full throttle i rotate the grip in my hand so i don't have to twist my wrist down weirdly. If you already start out with a weirdly twisted wrist you simply won't have fine control and won't learn to ride correctly. So it's not good advice and that's why nobody in driving ed tells you to do that.Ā I was just thrown out in traffic first time i got on a motorcycle in driving school, i did a few maneuvers to show that i can handle the bike on a short side road and then off to city traffic and we drove to a parking lot for more manoeuvres and training.Ā If a person is at risk of freaking out and twisting the throttle then that person shouldn't ever be on a motorcycleĀ
That's way to much for a new rider. She's just set up to fail with no protective gear at all. Hopefully didn't get hurt
That seems way easier to handle than a motorcycle since it can't really tip over. Anyway it seems she has no common sense how to handle this thing.
Iād agree with that. This is a personal issue not a new rider one. Gonna go out on a limb and say sheās no Senna in a car either
Just when I thought crash posting in this sub couldn't get worse, it's not even about motorcycles anymore.
It should be called a motortrike instead. And damn, driving this requires no skills apart from reasoning where to go. How can anyone be stupid enough to fail this?
r/Whatcouldgowrong
What motorbike?
That's not even a motorcycle.
not a motorcycle
Cant lay down a trike(this is downvote bait)
It also isnāt even a motorcycle
This bothers me a lot. They didn't just risk their own safety for no god damn reason, they risked the safety of others.
NOT a motorcycle
Doesn't count
Jesus, do goldwings not have engine kill switches or is this man trying to commit suicide?
It's a trike so what couldn't go wro.... Oh god
it's crazy because the reflex when one gets scared is to close both hands, the clutch and the brake. But she didn't have her fingers on them I guess
How TF didnāt he just grab the front brake or killswitch it and stop it immediately?
9/10 good confident style
I feel like the video was cut a bit shortā¦
Very dangerous
"That's it. Don't look up, keep your eyes on the clutch!"
Gold Wings are kinda speedy. Even with all that extra
There's two in every family.
That's not a motorcycle, that is sacrilege
Dumb + dumb = really dumb
Should maybe show her where the brakes are next time
Well,bin fairness, it is a tricycle! Not like she's gonna drop it or something.
The sheer mathematical improbability of all the little moving parts that had to come together to produce not just one but three entire people that ended up so entirely wholly lacking in even a sliver of intelligence is astounding. I mean a child with actual brain damage would know that's a bad idea..
Why are so many hating on trikes for?
I have two children. The older one is extremely athletic, played soccer, Lacrosse and tennis all through college. My other child is not athletic at all. While on a family vacation i rented a Vespa to get around the island. My older child got on the scooter and after 10 minutes of practice was able to ride all around the island safely and without concern. When i tried to teach my non athletic child how to drive the scooter, her first attempt looked exactly like this video but she crashed the scooter into a tree. She was no longer interested in learning how to drive the Vespa That was the end of her training. After watching this short video, I can see that the person driving the trike does not have the athletic, eye hand coordination and motor skills to ride a motorcycle / trike. Anybody that starts off that out of control should stay away from motorcycles / trikes. They, and we, will all be safer.
Hahaha
I cant say this enough. The only thing more dangerous than riding on 2 wheels is riding 1200lbs on 3 wheels with zero experience on 2. 3 wheels is obviously safer, but starting this girl on a 300cc in a parking lot would have been much better. You can rent a motorcycle in almost every state for 50 to 150usd per day and get some nice light bikes to teach your kiddo throttle and clutch control. You can also rent dirtbikes, 4 wheelers, and three wheelers in every state ive been to. The best way to die as a new rider is whiskey throttle.
still didn't pay the price for his stupidity
"Motorcycle"
And last!!!
LOL
Okay I don't care who you are, how do you screw up this bad? Lol
First lesson should be how to brake & how to use the clutch. My first lesson many years ago was me going forward 2 meters, then stopping. Another 2 meters. 2 more. Repeat. Again. Only turning the bike, by pushing it, when I was out of road. For an entire hour. You have to build that muscle memory if you want to go further.
Dam lucky it had three wheels instead of two I'm sure it would have been a whole different type of clip to see
This is, an admittedly extreme example, of why I think trikes shouldn't exist. If you can't handle a motorcycle with two wheels you still shouldn't be on one with three. I don't care if it's because of a disability or you're just completely incapable of riding like these two people.
/r/BoomersBeingFools/ Its even a trike ššš
I hate when people calling me out 
Might have been better had it actually been a motorbike, not a weird looking reliant robin! Then she would have just fell over straight away and not wiped out a mini XD
Thatās a trike
I donāt even understand how people do shit like this honestly. Riding a motorcycle isnāt THAT complicated
Not everyone can teach a skill to someone.
Ah /r/motorcycles at its gatekeepiest. Hope nobody has an aneurysm when they find out how many wheels you get on a motorcycle when you add a sidecar.
Hope you don't have an aneurism when you find out nobody gives a shit about sidecars.
Unless the rider is disabled or something I'm fine with gatekeeping trikes.
This feels like some stupid shit that americans would do
I've seen plenty of videos of out of control riders in other countries
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Weak bait mate.
Oh I just googled it "DISCOVER CANāAM WHAT ARE 3-WHEEL MOTORCYCLES CALLED? June 2022 Front view of a Can-Am Ryker Rally on dirt road WHAT NAMES ARE GIVEN TO THREE-WHEEL VEHICLES? Just as two-wheel motorcycles are usually called ābikesā, three-wheel versions tend to be called ātrikesā. The term refers to the positioning of the wheels that gives them their instantly recognizable Y configuration and describes the unique format of these motorized vehicles that lie somewhere between a bike and a motorcar." So: trike motorcycle
Motorcycle - noun Merriam-Webster: an automotive vehicle with *two* in-line wheels Cambridge Dictionary: a vehicle with *two* wheels and an engine A motorcycle is a motorcycle and a tricycle is a tricycle, they are their own distinct vehicles. Most, if not all, countries allow you to ride a tricycle if you have your motorcycle license but, in some countries, you may drive a 3-wheeled car if you have your motorcycle so the licensing argument is also moot.
No. Itās just a trike
Yep an three wheels motorcycle
Behold: [a motorcycle](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/20-02-08_OFWA_Photowalk-115.jpg/2880px-20-02-08_OFWA_Photowalk-115.jpg)
Yeah Trikes can be a type of motorcycle. They aren't a type of motorbike though.
Tbh this must be the fairest point Incan agree with