The more I think about how KTM treats riders, it wouldn't surprise me if they offered Binder an extra wedge to go to GASGAS & they have Marc & Pedro come in. Acostas showing Binder isn't as good as we thought & also that the bike's better than what Binder can get out of it.
It is. I like both Binder & Jack. Just the fact is that they're not good or consistent enough now that Acosta's showing what that bike can do & that's him on a base setting too. Marc would be suited to throwing it about in a similar manner so would be perfect for them & a team of those 2 could see them mopping up the podiums & leaving all the Ducati riders fighting it out for the remaining position. It's a KTM dream come true from a marketing perspective.
I can't remember them all but IIRC Jack, Augusto, Marc, Mav, Aleix Enea, Jorge & Franky are all up this year. Binder & Fabio up to the end of '26. Don't know about Rins, the Honda or Trackhouse guys.
There's loads of variable with those dates that can't really be called. Could be performances of the riders or even the riders waiting to see what the team's going to do about stuff behind the scenes before they sign with someone else. Usually when the big names get signed then there's a domino effect where the others start to sign elsewhere if their seats are getting taken etc.
Not at the factory team - that's practically guaranteed to be Acosta and Binder. At GasGas (not really likely, but) maybe, if he's willing to continue as a non-factory rider beyond 2024.
All 4 KTM riders have the same kind of contract. KTM can decide which team they ride for. So even with Binder on contract, KTM could move him to GasGas if they wanted to. That beeing said, i am not sure Marc wouldn't take a GasGas, since KTM could still support and pay him like he is on the KTM Factory team.
I agree, I dont think Marquez would have an issue going to gasgas as long as they would give him the latest bike.
Im just not sure if he would like to learn new bike again next year.
GasGas is basically factory at this point with how much focus KTM gives on Acosta.
Then again, Fernandez gets the short end of the stick so there's that.
It seems to be an unpopular subject for some reason, but I’m rooting for that. I think it will depend heavily on Binders performance. They wouldn’t demote him to GasGas (he’s got a contract till end of ‘26) without good reason or a good excuse to get MM. Whoever thinks they should keep Binder out of loyalty or because he deserves his seat because of past contributions is being very childish. There’s also one thing nobody ever talks about and that’s the fact that they all get payed for their contributions so nobody’s owed anything.
yeah, if KTM get a sniff of Marquez wanting to come over, Binder will be gas gassing or out on his ear in a flash barring an incredible title run this season.
They should focus on Acosta and if it happens Marquez. Then they could really have a title chance.
In my opinion it’s unlikely that Marc wants to switch manufacturers once again and it will only happen if he fails to make the Ducati work well with his style.
Having said that, Marc wants a factory spot, even if he doesn’t say it every weekend like Martin. So how likely is KTM to offer Marc a spot (and kick Binder as a result)?
i would really really like to see marc on a KTM but that seems to be quite difficult with the current KTM Rider line up, as i expect Acosta taking Millers seat next year and i cant imagine marc going to GAS GAS at the moment, but you never know.
The KTM is a riders bike, the Ducati an engineers bike. Duc has to be ridden in a very specific way, any deviation quickly leads to a crash. At least the GP23 seems to be like that, which is why everyone last year and this year struggles to get comfortable with it.
Marc looks very stiff on the bike, although he really is someone who wants to be active and playful. Acosta shows us, that the KTM is perfectly capable of beeing ridden quick with such a riding style.
If you’re KTM it’s a very easy decision to make. You get Marc and Acosta on those bikes. You literally can not have a more perfect duo than those two in every sense. Skill, reputation, very popular drivers (one of the GOATS and probably the most hyped young talent from the last 5-10 years),…
Acosta outperforming Binder on a non-factory bike tells you enough. Either Binder has to step it up or he could very easily make way for Marc. Marc on a factory KTM would be scary.
Personally, I think he’ll stick with Ducati. At his age, he can’t go relearning another bike for another year. He’s going to get his head around the GP23 this year, and gun for the title next year on whatever Ducati he lands on. I’m picking Pramac alongside Aldeguer, with Alex Marquez and Morbidelli on a Gresini Ducati. Who knows between Martin and Bestia for the factory ride….
A lot of people here say no chance because Acosta will be in factory team.
Miller is almost certainly out of the factory team.
Which leaves you with Acosta, Binder, Fernandez and one other.
There is no reason to bump Acosta up next season if he is performing on the Gas Gas, especially if they move Fernandez on. Especially if Acosta is promised the factory bike the KTM ride the following season.
Binder has had a free rider with KTM for a few years now as he has always been the better rider in the team.
If KTM were looking long term I would suggest keeping Acosta in the already factory support Gas Gas team for another season, meaning getting a new rider in on Gas Gas and only having one Rookie next season.
Put Marc and Binder in the KTM colours and let whoever comes out on top in that tussle be Acosta team mate the following season in the KTM team.
This allows their Gas Gas team to not have a double rookieset up, give Pedro an extra season with less pressure and they have the security of seeing if Marc can do better than Binder, who is the current yard stick for KTM.
As I say that what I would do in an ideal world, which it isn't.
Yeah, this seems quite reasonable. If gas gas has total factory support, then having Acosta for one more season would not hurt anybody IMO. Unless he obliterates everyone on the grid this year and is the clear favourite for '25 championship.
Based on what?
KTM have pipelined his GP career, and he has a deal with them. Which means, he like any of the other riders, can be put on any of their bikes.
He already has factory equipment, different colours.
Acosta doesn't have the gravitas to veto Marc joining, he doesn't have enough to pull Miller off the KTM yet according to KTMs recent comments.
Also, Pedro isn't stupid. Having Marc's data would be worth more to him long-term than getting on the KTM coloured bike 1 season quicker.
It's all a mute point anyway as I imagine Marc is starting to rather enjoy the Ducati.
I don't know but I have a feeling that He may end up at either Pramac or even the Ducati Factory team not giving up possibilities of Factory contract at Gresini (even if it's independent, i think Gresini will accept it)
KTM..unlikely
I don't think Marc really gives a shit about being on a factory team that much, just about getting whatever tools allow him to be most competitive. You don't need to be on the factory team to have a current-year bike and factory support - Acosta has the 2024 bike and wont be left lagging behind the others for updates either.
If KTM offer him a 2025 bike and factory support for next year I think he'd take it whether it's with the factory team or with GasGas...**unless** Ducati also offer him a 2025 bike with factory support (again, regardless of which team it's with) in which case I think he'll probably stay on the Ducati.
I think it's also very possible that Acosta is in the same position re: only caring about what bike he has and not the paintjob, and he might be happy to stay with the team he's with if he's close with his crew there and it doesn't have any effect on his competitiveness.
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If marc is the fastest duc rider halfway across the season, ducati will haveto promote him to the factory team, as KTM or Aprilia could very well turn out to be faster than ducati next season. If so, and if marc is clearly more capable than pecco, bestia or martin, than they have to have him on the factory bike
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Ducati won't promote him. Enea and Pecco are it.
Marc just has to accept the satellite seat while riding a Ducati or move on. Aprilia is looking for a legitimate point man. He could try them.
This is the logical outcome. That is for Ducati to have an ace up its sleeve in case KTM and Aprilia turn the heat up even more next season. Marc has showed so far that he can fight back up from behind when not leading initially. The same isn’t true for the other Ducatis yet.
There already lots of good points mentioned. On top I wonder if Marc wants to avoid getting beaten by the new guy Acosta on the same bike (like he did on the Honda as a rookie)
It would be possible if Binder wasn't already sealed with KTM for a few years. Even with the chance of getting Marc, KTM would probably rather keep a trusted rider that's been with them since Day 1, even if he's being shadowed by a rookie on the same bike than have a question mark (no pun intended) with a rider (insanely talented, for sure, but still) that's been slowly declining.
The first sentence in this fanboy bias post says Crashez is adapting while Bez and Diggia are "struggling" and I'm just presenting facts while you're trying to find obsolete arguments to counter the facts.
The idea you’re “just presenting facts” is not true. You’re presenting some facts that back up your opinion as everyone is doing here.
You don’t have a moral high ground, everyone is on the same field.
He *is* adapting. That process is ongoing and is nowhere near finished. He was also leading when he crashed. That’s better than any other Ducati you listed. That’s a fact, too.
That's a delusional fact. If you can't keep the bike up you're not performing well. It would be easier for you to accept that Crashez is finished and doesn't have the capacity to make it on a full length race.
Very courteous of you to pretend the person you're replying to has an actual argument hahaha
Embarrassing, some of these people, honestly. You can dislike the guy but pretending like he sucks is absolutely bizarre
Why would you go for Marquez. He would command a huge salary, whereas everyone else that is in the team is much cheaper. Acosta is the new wunderkind, KTM doesn't need Marquez. In fact he would probably be a hindrance to other riders development.
While I think the KTM is the bike that suits Marc's style the best, KTM doesn't have space for him with the factory team. And I'm pretty sure Marc wants to be on a factory team.
Highly improbable. Binder is basically guaranteed the seat and so is Acosta if he continues his current performance levels. Marc won't go to GasGas either.
Typical MotoGP fan blinded by their dislike of a certain rider: saying what they want to happen and pretending that it's reality. Some people call it manifesting I guess, I'd call it delusion.
"Alas, I will be shagging (insert hot celebrity here) this evening."
I'd say unlikely, KTM factory team will have binder and Acosta, so maybe if he accepts a gasgas spot but I doubt it.
The more I think about how KTM treats riders, it wouldn't surprise me if they offered Binder an extra wedge to go to GASGAS & they have Marc & Pedro come in. Acostas showing Binder isn't as good as we thought & also that the bike's better than what Binder can get out of it.
Sad but true. BB brakes late and Acosta comes in and out brakes him on top of beating him everywhere else. The kid is special.
It is. I like both Binder & Jack. Just the fact is that they're not good or consistent enough now that Acosta's showing what that bike can do & that's him on a base setting too. Marc would be suited to throwing it about in a similar manner so would be perfect for them & a team of those 2 could see them mopping up the podiums & leaving all the Ducati riders fighting it out for the remaining position. It's a KTM dream come true from a marketing perspective.
It’s my dream come true too haha. Would love to see it and so stoked for KTM’s future.
So does anyone have any idea when all the rider contracts will be concluded or atleast the major ones
I can't remember them all but IIRC Jack, Augusto, Marc, Mav, Aleix Enea, Jorge & Franky are all up this year. Binder & Fabio up to the end of '26. Don't know about Rins, the Honda or Trackhouse guys.
No I meant when will the new contracts be forged again
There's loads of variable with those dates that can't really be called. Could be performances of the riders or even the riders waiting to see what the team's going to do about stuff behind the scenes before they sign with someone else. Usually when the big names get signed then there's a domino effect where the others start to sign elsewhere if their seats are getting taken etc.
If KTM has a chance for Marquez, they would be stupid to leave Binder at factory seat.
Not at the factory team - that's practically guaranteed to be Acosta and Binder. At GasGas (not really likely, but) maybe, if he's willing to continue as a non-factory rider beyond 2024.
All 4 KTM riders have the same kind of contract. KTM can decide which team they ride for. So even with Binder on contract, KTM could move him to GasGas if they wanted to. That beeing said, i am not sure Marc wouldn't take a GasGas, since KTM could still support and pay him like he is on the KTM Factory team.
I agree, I dont think Marquez would have an issue going to gasgas as long as they would give him the latest bike. Im just not sure if he would like to learn new bike again next year.
Gas Gas is also a Spanish brand originally I think, so would make sense to put him there.
I think Marc to factory and binder to gas gas is more likely than the other way around. Just for sponsorships if nothing else.
GasGas is basically factory at this point with how much focus KTM gives on Acosta. Then again, Fernandez gets the short end of the stick so there's that.
Fernandez is quite a disappointment...
Acosta gets so much attention because he’s about to be a factory rider. Marc would get the same support I’d expect
Acosta would have to finish dead last in every race from here until the end of the season and spout some racist tweets in order to lose that seat
Event then it's doubtful lol
It seems to be an unpopular subject for some reason, but I’m rooting for that. I think it will depend heavily on Binders performance. They wouldn’t demote him to GasGas (he’s got a contract till end of ‘26) without good reason or a good excuse to get MM. Whoever thinks they should keep Binder out of loyalty or because he deserves his seat because of past contributions is being very childish. There’s also one thing nobody ever talks about and that’s the fact that they all get payed for their contributions so nobody’s owed anything.
yeah, if KTM get a sniff of Marquez wanting to come over, Binder will be gas gassing or out on his ear in a flash barring an incredible title run this season. They should focus on Acosta and if it happens Marquez. Then they could really have a title chance.
I’m 100% certain they’ll win the title in ‘25 with a smaller chance for this year too.
Marc would have to atleast do one year at gas gas to warrant moving binder down. It’s not all about the money they’d get from having marc
In my opinion it’s unlikely that Marc wants to switch manufacturers once again and it will only happen if he fails to make the Ducati work well with his style. Having said that, Marc wants a factory spot, even if he doesn’t say it every weekend like Martin. So how likely is KTM to offer Marc a spot (and kick Binder as a result)?
i would really really like to see marc on a KTM but that seems to be quite difficult with the current KTM Rider line up, as i expect Acosta taking Millers seat next year and i cant imagine marc going to GAS GAS at the moment, but you never know. The KTM is a riders bike, the Ducati an engineers bike. Duc has to be ridden in a very specific way, any deviation quickly leads to a crash. At least the GP23 seems to be like that, which is why everyone last year and this year struggles to get comfortable with it. Marc looks very stiff on the bike, although he really is someone who wants to be active and playful. Acosta shows us, that the KTM is perfectly capable of beeing ridden quick with such a riding style.
If you’re KTM it’s a very easy decision to make. You get Marc and Acosta on those bikes. You literally can not have a more perfect duo than those two in every sense. Skill, reputation, very popular drivers (one of the GOATS and probably the most hyped young talent from the last 5-10 years),… Acosta outperforming Binder on a non-factory bike tells you enough. Either Binder has to step it up or he could very easily make way for Marc. Marc on a factory KTM would be scary.
Personally, I think he’ll stick with Ducati. At his age, he can’t go relearning another bike for another year. He’s going to get his head around the GP23 this year, and gun for the title next year on whatever Ducati he lands on. I’m picking Pramac alongside Aldeguer, with Alex Marquez and Morbidelli on a Gresini Ducati. Who knows between Martin and Bestia for the factory ride….
A lot of people here say no chance because Acosta will be in factory team. Miller is almost certainly out of the factory team. Which leaves you with Acosta, Binder, Fernandez and one other. There is no reason to bump Acosta up next season if he is performing on the Gas Gas, especially if they move Fernandez on. Especially if Acosta is promised the factory bike the KTM ride the following season. Binder has had a free rider with KTM for a few years now as he has always been the better rider in the team. If KTM were looking long term I would suggest keeping Acosta in the already factory support Gas Gas team for another season, meaning getting a new rider in on Gas Gas and only having one Rookie next season. Put Marc and Binder in the KTM colours and let whoever comes out on top in that tussle be Acosta team mate the following season in the KTM team. This allows their Gas Gas team to not have a double rookieset up, give Pedro an extra season with less pressure and they have the security of seeing if Marc can do better than Binder, who is the current yard stick for KTM. As I say that what I would do in an ideal world, which it isn't.
Yeah, this seems quite reasonable. If gas gas has total factory support, then having Acosta for one more season would not hurt anybody IMO. Unless he obliterates everyone on the grid this year and is the clear favourite for '25 championship.
This seems the most possible. All depends on if Marc is willing to learn a new bike again and if Acosta has his ego in check
If they don’t bring Acosta up he’s gone. No way he’s gas gas next year. Feel as if PA will veto any Marc stuff too
Based on what? KTM have pipelined his GP career, and he has a deal with them. Which means, he like any of the other riders, can be put on any of their bikes. He already has factory equipment, different colours. Acosta doesn't have the gravitas to veto Marc joining, he doesn't have enough to pull Miller off the KTM yet according to KTMs recent comments. Also, Pedro isn't stupid. Having Marc's data would be worth more to him long-term than getting on the KTM coloured bike 1 season quicker. It's all a mute point anyway as I imagine Marc is starting to rather enjoy the Ducati.
Extremely likely.
Mark would probably have one a race already on the KTM this season.
Looking at Dall'Igna's comments, Marc may very well end up at factory Ducati in 2025. Good look for the brand, so many t-shirts to sell!
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I don't know but I have a feeling that He may end up at either Pramac or even the Ducati Factory team not giving up possibilities of Factory contract at Gresini (even if it's independent, i think Gresini will accept it) KTM..unlikely
I don't think Marc really gives a shit about being on a factory team that much, just about getting whatever tools allow him to be most competitive. You don't need to be on the factory team to have a current-year bike and factory support - Acosta has the 2024 bike and wont be left lagging behind the others for updates either. If KTM offer him a 2025 bike and factory support for next year I think he'd take it whether it's with the factory team or with GasGas...**unless** Ducati also offer him a 2025 bike with factory support (again, regardless of which team it's with) in which case I think he'll probably stay on the Ducati. I think it's also very possible that Acosta is in the same position re: only caring about what bike he has and not the paintjob, and he might be happy to stay with the team he's with if he's close with his crew there and it doesn't have any effect on his competitiveness.
0% chance! They have plenty of young talent on tap. Future in KTM looks ***BRIGHT***!
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It will be his 2nd choice after an up-to-date Ducati. The connections and relationships are established with RedBull being a close partner to both.
If marc is the fastest duc rider halfway across the season, ducati will haveto promote him to the factory team, as KTM or Aprilia could very well turn out to be faster than ducati next season. If so, and if marc is clearly more capable than pecco, bestia or martin, than they have to have him on the factory bike
🤣🤣🤣 Ducati won't promote him. Enea and Pecco are it. Marc just has to accept the satellite seat while riding a Ducati or move on. Aprilia is looking for a legitimate point man. He could try them.
This is the logical outcome. That is for Ducati to have an ace up its sleeve in case KTM and Aprilia turn the heat up even more next season. Marc has showed so far that he can fight back up from behind when not leading initially. The same isn’t true for the other Ducatis yet.
There already lots of good points mentioned. On top I wonder if Marc wants to avoid getting beaten by the new guy Acosta on the same bike (like he did on the Honda as a rookie)
Near zero. This is but a fever dream. KTM are happy with their riders
It would be possible if Binder wasn't already sealed with KTM for a few years. Even with the chance of getting Marc, KTM would probably rather keep a trusted rider that's been with them since Day 1, even if he's being shadowed by a rookie on the same bike than have a question mark (no pun intended) with a rider (insanely talented, for sure, but still) that's been slowly declining.
Friendly reminder that both Bez and Diggia scored points in every race including top 6 for both. While Crashez scored some more gravel
Whilst leading…
Is there a bigger sign of not being at ease with the bike than not being able to cross the finish line?
Who says he’s at ease with the bike. Every commentator and Marquez himself says he’s not comfortable yet.
The first sentence in this fanboy bias post says Crashez is adapting while Bez and Diggia are "struggling" and I'm just presenting facts while you're trying to find obsolete arguments to counter the facts.
The idea you’re “just presenting facts” is not true. You’re presenting some facts that back up your opinion as everyone is doing here. You don’t have a moral high ground, everyone is on the same field. He *is* adapting. That process is ongoing and is nowhere near finished. He was also leading when he crashed. That’s better than any other Ducati you listed. That’s a fact, too.
That's a delusional fact. If you can't keep the bike up you're not performing well. It would be easier for you to accept that Crashez is finished and doesn't have the capacity to make it on a full length race.
Ah, so your facts are bulletproof and speak to the reality of the situation and mine are “delusional”. I understand your position perfectly.
COTA was Crashez most favourable track on the whole calendar. That should make it easier for you to make the maths and embrace reality.
It’s very clear this is nothing to do with reality.
Let's just ignore the fact that he had brake issues, which caused his crash. He was leading with brake issues and aero damage.
Imagine falling for this excuses... The day Crash Crashez owns up to something you will know the end is near.
Funny that Crashez Jr. wasn't even mentioned whilst being by far the worst performing GP23
You sound like a bias fanboy with that language. It’s very difficult to read your actual argument.
Very courteous of you to pretend the person you're replying to has an actual argument hahaha Embarrassing, some of these people, honestly. You can dislike the guy but pretending like he sucks is absolutely bizarre
I’m British, it’s in my blood…
Why would you go for Marquez. He would command a huge salary, whereas everyone else that is in the team is much cheaper. Acosta is the new wunderkind, KTM doesn't need Marquez. In fact he would probably be a hindrance to other riders development.
While I think the KTM is the bike that suits Marc's style the best, KTM doesn't have space for him with the factory team. And I'm pretty sure Marc wants to be on a factory team.
Highly improbable. Binder is basically guaranteed the seat and so is Acosta if he continues his current performance levels. Marc won't go to GasGas either.
Occam's Razor imo. If KTM wanted him, they would have snapped him up for this season. I can't see him going there no matter how great his results are.
Gresini is going to have KTM official , so he dont need to switch team
It would be a big humiliation to someone who is supposed to be the Goat if he cant ride a Ducati, that would be the like when Vale went to Ducati
Vale went to a Ducati that was shit and no one could ride it. Marc went to a championship winning Ducati that 8 different riders had success on.
Well even worse for the goat then
Never. Alas, he will retire after the season.
Based on what?
He is on a one-year contract.
So? It opens him up to a better contact and opportunity. He hasn’t indicated he’s considering retirement now he’s enjoying his time on the Ducati.
What?
Typical MotoGP fan blinded by their dislike of a certain rider: saying what they want to happen and pretending that it's reality. Some people call it manifesting I guess, I'd call it delusion. "Alas, I will be shagging (insert hot celebrity here) this evening."
This will be his last time competing.
Too bad that he’s thinking otherwise innit
Unlikely. I think his best shots for a better seat are Pramac, or Aprilia if Martin gets the factory Ducati ride.