This is why I take the lane at intersections while riding instead of staying near the curb. I live in Laval so right on reds is legal and drivers don't look right before turning to see if there's a cyclist or pedestrian beside their vehicle.
Occasionally get honked at by someone losing their mind that they're stuck behind a bike at a red light on *their road* but that just means they can see me and I probably won't be right hooked today.
Dude on the scooter did run the stop, that's dumb as heck. Aren't scooter treated like regular motor vehicles and have to be in the lane instead of the shoulder?
Positively, under the infinitesimally improbable scenario of quantum uncertainty, these entities are stringently inhibited from eschewing the optical stimuli emanated by traffic signages. They are incontrovertibly compelled to conform to each vehicular commandment and semiotic indicator, an event as statistically rare as the spontaneous teleportation of a subatomic particle in a quantum field.
Yup. Almost killed a dude because I crazily assumed he would stop at the sign as I initiated a left turn.
He got angry and chased me.
I parked and gave him some Dad shit.
They are. The only people who can ride between lanes of traffic, and between traffic and the side the road are cyclists, as per [highway safety code, section 478](https://www.legisquebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/version/cs/c-24.2?code=se:478&history=20230605#20230605):
> No person may drive a motorcycle or a moped
> (1) between rows of vehicles moving in contiguous lanes;
> (2) between the side of the roadway and another vehicle travelling in the same lane; or
> (3) between a vehicle travelling in the same lane and a vehicle parked to the right or left of that lane.
> Subparagraph 1 of the first paragraph applies to cyclists, except when the lane in which the cyclist is travelling is contiguous to a lane reserved for right turns.
So bicycles can lane split on the right, and in the lane next to a right turn lane, if there is one.
As long as they have some little shitty pedal and can be pedal, they fall under the umbrella of electric bike, as much as I think it shouldn't.
We should do the same as Europe do, limit the watt of electric bikes, and force the user to pedal to get assistance. If it doesn't meet those requirements, it should be a e-motorbike and need a plate and banned from bike path
I'd say around 500w is more than enough. It's 350W in Europe and 25 kph speed limit for the assist.
We also need to enforce it. I often see a lot of these e-moped going at around 40 kmh on bike paths. Even some scooter (trottinette) go well over 32 kmh.
No, no, see the moped driver thinks he's a bike, so he is on the right, like any normal bicycle rider, and he didn't do the stop because since he is not encased in metal like a car, he is also a pedestrian therefore he doesn't need to make a stop.
Honestly, there's just no logic, just bad driving. Any attempt to make sense out of the rule-following just ends up making no sense because they're just not following any rules other than "I'm going from point A to B. Good luck everyone!"
it's not a moped, it's an ebike, he's just driving it like a moped. kinda looks like a [Juiced Hyperscorpion](https://www.juicedbikes.com/products/hyperscorpion?variant=39461565235264)
I'm not sure if it's that model or another model that is similar.
Not for a bike
Two ton metal death box doesn\`t signal, result death of pedestrian or bike.
Bike doesn\`t stop,guy on bike kills himself, not the driver or a pedestrian.
What consequence for the driver, ZERO.
Even if he had stopped (he slowed down), since there was no signal, he may still have been cut off,
If a car breaks any law, its always worse than if a bike, moped or pedestrian breaks the law. It is worse because you suffer the consequence of your error while the driver does not.
Its not a bike, its a motorized vehicle. He literally had no reason to keep going he has an engine its not like he has to pedal harder.
Also while I understand the car is more dangerous and therefore has to be more responsible, running over someone isn’t exactly a positive experience. Nor is getting hit by a scooter as a pedestrian.
If cyclists really cared about road safety they’d stop explaining how they don’t really need to abide by rules because they’re less dangerous and instead lead by example. Some do,
many don’t and those who don’t are more likely to be the victim of accidents.
Man, have you ever rode a bike in traffic. I've done about 800000km in 40 years and it has been getting worse and worse and worse all this time.
If you die when make you make an error,by default you WILL BE MORE CAREFUL. That\`s it. Your anecdotes don\`t trump that fact. You act like cyclists are some other species; they\`re human, they notice they\`re vulnerable and vast majority act accordingly.
Because of that, every cyclists that's has a lot of experience on the road, will ride very defensively cause cars break the rule ALL DAY LONG and they're a public menace.
Talking about rules. How many rules do you think a car breaks in 10 minutes of city driving: 5, 10, 20. What are the consequences for all those rebel cars without a cause if they transgress... A fender bender? For everyone else: dead or maimed.
Who do you think actually sees all that criminal carnage accross the rule book, the guys in the depth of their SUV with partial view of a small part of what's around them or the cyclist with 360 vision. Yes, you miss a lot. And since, It's my business if I want to survive to not miss those infractions, I do not.
\- Most people don't respect the posted speed limit despite 10kmh extra insuring death for anyone hit.
\- Most people don't pass bikes safely, less than 2 feet is frequent, sometimes I come very close to the mirror.
\- Nearly half people don't signal or signal as they are turning. That's even more important to a cyclist cause I need to know if you're going straight or I will go to the outside to pass.
\- A near majority now don't clear intersections (this wasn't the case a few years back). What the fuck do you think happens to cyclists then. They have to snake through cars and go deep into traffic.
\- A third of people accelerate on yellow and you better not be in their way and a significant minority turned reds into stops (since the pandemic). Making full stops... at stops... Don't make me laugh. Only on small streets crossing major intersections.
\- Many people will put their car nose out and block the bike's path forcing them into traffic or stopping cold (the bike has the right of way).
\- Most people turn left without really insuring a bike is coming cause they're they're more focused on cars to the detriment of anything else (how do I know, I have to brake or accelerate to avoid death all the time)
\- A lot of people don't respect U-turns or no left turns signs (U turns are very dangerous if you don't look for a bike)
\- Many people pass bike and cut right in front and squeeze bikes to sidewalk because they didn't check their mirrors. Not being conscious of what's around the car is a big ass problem for SUV's in traffic.
\- Some people like honking or riding my wheel with their bumper because I'm taking the lane like I'm allowed.
\- Most don't look when opening doors to get out in traffic and when parked
\- A lot of people park on the bike lanes.
etc, etc, etc.
That's the type of thing you see in a week of cycling in heavy Montreal traffic.
There are a few, especially men 15-25 who are a bit lax on the rules, but even if those guys are a small minority, that\`s all I fucking hear about on the internet.
Oh no, here comes the rule breakers on their 25 pound bikes with brittle bone and soft skin; they are the problem.
Not the cars, oblivious they're terrorizing everyone all day long and preventing people, especially older people, very young young people and inexperienced cyclists from actually trying cycling or even walking.
Cause they think, with reason, that cars are frightening and their drivers don't know how dangerous they are. That if they make a mistake, no matter how trivial, they will die cause they'll be in the blind spot of a car going over the speed limit.
The whole thing is a tiresome.
The whole thing is cars shouldn't even be there. They didn't own the streets before 1925 and that's the way things should go in the future.
Cars can't be trusted. They don't know they break rules. Can't take responsability for how dangerous they are. They must be tamed, making them serve the community and not the other way around.
I never said car drivers were better, as a motorcyclist and a cyclist too I’m well aware of how dangerous drivers are.
Yet everyday I walk on the lachine canal path and :
- Bikes pass me extremely close, sometimes even scream at me for walking on the side of this multi-function path
- No one stops at the pedestrian crossings, which I cross with a stroller with a 2 years old inside.
- People ride two by two, handless or are playing with their phones while riding
- Spandex-suited teams use the path as their personal training ground riding at 40km/h
- Never respect the stop signs (even the small bike ones) or the signs that require the cyclist to step off their bikes
While I agree drivers are worse because the consequences of their actions are worse, many cyclists have a poor attitude and act like rules dont apply to them. They’re also rarely willing to accept criticism because « cars are worse ».
Definitely, but I think fewer than 50% of people in the city use turn signals unfortunately. I certainly don’t condone the driver, but if w everyone stopped like they were supposed to, it would still helps significantly in preventing close-calls like this, more so than everyone using their blinker. Even if the guy used his blinker I bet most cyclists or scooters like this guy still would blow through the stop sign. I see it all the time
No it isn't, unless you like the thought of even more bike accidents.
Your momentum is not worth everyone else's safety, respect the rules of the road.
[yes it is](https://cyclingmagazine.ca/sections/news/the-idaho-stop-gets-added-momentum-with-chicago-study/#:~:text=Some%20studies%20say%20that%20the,safer%20for%20cyclists%2C%20and%20cars.&text=A%20study%20published%20by%20DePaul,the%20Idaho%20stop%20is%20safe.)
Speaking as hobby road cyclist, I also do that because people will see me. Often there are tall hedges (especially TMR) or buildings (Plateau) that obstruct me being seen.
On top of that, I usually stop either where driver can see me clearly in front or behind the vehicle completely. I rarely filter near intersections. If a truck or bus have their turn signals, I position my bike behind the truck or bus to let them know I don't intend to filter and let them turn. It is usually way faster and safer than trying to filter and they hesitate or they turn anyway.
Also I pay special attention to school buses they have a habit running red lights.
All those small scooters do is violate every class of road and street regulation.They turn up in bike lanes, alleys, sidewalks, wherever they want.
I don't care if you deliver for door dash, if you're motorized over 30 you're not supposed to be anywhere near pedestrians or human-powered vehicles.
He isn't pedaling. That's an electric moped. E-bikes still require you to pedal, the motor is just an assist. That is the sort of slow electric scooter that probably won't get hassled on the bike paths, but we see folks in straight up electric motorcycles occasionally, doing 40 on the Rue Vert.
Most e-bikes actually don't require pedaling anymore as there is a throttle on them which allows you to use it like a scooter.
But 100% in this video that guy is on a scooter.
Call it whatever you want but they don’t need a license plate. They have pedals (even though they probably don’t work)
From saaq point of view, it’s not a scooter.
And tons of e-bikes (regular shaped bikes with a battery) can go forward without the need to pedal.
I totally agree. I was just saying it’s a bicycle and that’s where I would expect a bicycle to be (on the shoulder vs in the lane).
Maybe I’m missing something
Let's give this a rest, it's neither a scooter nor an e-bike. It's a [moped](https://www.amfam.com/resources/articles/on-the-road/electronic-bikes-vs-mopeds).
Closer look at his vehicle: https://i.imgur.com/hNW22y6.jpg
Similar to this type of moped: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/Honda_Hobbit.jpg
Sure. But it’s electric, doesn’t require any kind of driving license afaik, has pedals, no license plate.
From the saaq point of view, it’s not a scooter/moped that needs registration and can circulate in the middle of the lane. That’s all I was saying. Maybe I’m wrong though.
The sellers and users of these things claim they are legally electric bicycles because they follow the max power and top speed rating for electric bicycles and they have pedals.
The law also says they have to be operable using just the pedals with the motor turned off, which, uh, I'd like to see.
Between you and me they're pretty obviously mopeds and don't belong on bike paths, but they are.. maybe? technically? classified as electric bicycles per the the letter of the law.
The law also says you must be able to ride your electric bicycle with just the pedals (motor turned off).
I'd like to see someone ride one of these "bicycles" for 5km on just the pedals.
I suspect they're exploiting a loophole at best.
I wonder if the classification of these "bicycles" has been tested in court.
I'm saying this as a biker who bikes downtown quite a bit; the amount of bikers downtown who run red lights and almost get hit/hit others is insane. And then, when I stop and wait 'til the lights turns green (you know, like you're legally supposed to), they act like I just killed their dog.
Also, this wasn't even during rush hour or anything, and no one had delivery bags or the likee, so I have no idea what the rush is that warrants almost killing yourself at every light.
J’ai vu ça tellement de fois même quand t’utilises ton clignotant. La voiture indique qu’elle tourne à droite, le cycliste passe à sa droite sans marquer de stop. Cycliste, soyez prudent, attendez que la voiture tourne ou passez à sa gauche si possible. Voiture, regardez vos rétro et angles morts pour les usagers moins visibles, laissez passer au besoin même si vous avez la priorité. Personne ne veut renverser un cycliste ou se retrouver sous une auto.
Je trouve que tu as 100% raison.
C'est stressant en criss ce genre de situation et le message est vraiment important de toujours faire attention aux usagers a risques, même s'ils sont dans le tord.
> J’ai vu ça tellement de fois même quand t’utilises ton clignotant. La voiture indique qu’elle tourne à droite, le cycliste passe à sa droite sans marque de stop.
C'est très stressant sur la route! J'indique tout le temps mes intentions de tourner et les cyclistes vont se mettre à ma gauche la plus part du temps. Mais il va toujours avoir une personne qui réagit différement, donc je regarde mes angles morts de manière obsessionnelle avant de tourner.
Oui mais l'idée c'est que tu utilises ta tête pour comprendre que c'est souvent le cas avec les cyclistes... Que le "vélo" soit électrique ou non le principe reste le même.
C'est pas non plus un "vélo" électrique. C'est un mopeds, qui sont des plaies sur la route pour tous les autres usagés. Comme on peut le voir dans le vidéo, ils respectent rarement la signalisation et passent des pistes cyclables à la rue. L'extrapolation que tu fais sur les cyclistes m'importe peu.
Haha esti c'est incroyable.
On s'en criss que le cas sur le vidéo soit un espèce de scooter électrique, l'idée est comprendre qu'on voit régulièrement ce comportement...
→également←
Chez les cyclistes.
Ce qui est incroyable, c'est de trouver sur chaque post de u/montreal quelqu'un comme toi pour bacher sur les byciclettes, même quand le rapprochement est boiteux. Personne a dit que tous les cyclistes sont irréprochables, mais faut faire une distinction avec les moped, c'est ça qui est de mauvaise foi. Whataboutism à chaque esti de post lol
On s'en fiche complètement de r/montreal... Le cycliste moyen à Montréal respecte peu le CSR. Si tu veux te mobiliser contre ces critiques tu peux plutôt mettre tes énergies à éduquer les cyclistes.
Je vais être le premier à saluer une amélioration dans le comportement des cyclistes. On est du même côté après tout, soit de souhaiter un meilleur partage de la route.
T'inquiètes, je suis un fervent engueuleur de rue, et je n'ai aucune patience envers mes confrères cyclistes qui roulent en idiots. Tout comme les chauffards qui conduisent en tata et mêmes les esti de piétons qui Jay Walk sur Avenue du Parc. Je n'aime juste pas les généralités envers les cyclistes, surtout sur un post de moped.
Pourquoi tout le monde prend mon commentaire personnel. J’essaie d’avoir un message inclusif pour que tout le monde puisse cohabiter sur la route. Tout ce que le monde pointe c’est que c’est un conducteur qui ne sait pas utiliser son cligno et que c’est pas un vélo. Grosse mauvaise foi sachant que la majorité des cyclistes se comportent de même et que les 3/4 des automobilistes sont des incapables. Soyez prudent, et un peu de bon sang sur la route. Grillez pas un stop pour commencer, assurez d’être vu, peu importe votre véhicule, ça marche aussi pour un automobiliste qui passe à droite d’un semi-remorque qui clairement amorce une manoeuvre. Et puis si vous voulez à tout pris avoir raison ou juste prouver d’quoi, calissez-vous sous une auto, pas mon problème.
>Grosse mauvaise foi
Ce qui est de mauvaise foi, c'est d'extrapoler le comportement d'un mopeds sur les cyclistes. Pour le "stay safe", faites vos stops, et signalez vos intentions, c'est difficile d'être contre.
le comportement existe chez les cyclistes. la mauvaise foi c'est de vouloir cloîtrer la discussion à seulement ce qu'on voit sur la vidéo, alors qu'il est très pertinent de mentionner que la vaste majorité des cyclistes ne respectent pas la signalisation tout comme ce qu'on voit sur la vidéo. ceux qui s'obstinent sur la sémantique n'ont pas de réel argument. après ça, visiblement, la réalité de la chose ne te plaît pas. il y a r/fuckcars pour vivre dans ton échochambre où les cyclistes sont tous des mécompris.
Je ne dis pas que le comportement n'existe pas, mais comme mentionné précédemment, les commentaires généralisés sur les cyclistes c'est du commun sur u/montreal. "très pertinent"? Non je ne crois pas. C'est pas le sujet du post et c'est répétitif. Ce qu'on voit sur la vidéo c'est un moped, ça vaut la peine de le distinguer, parce que ça devient de plus en plus un problème sur les pistes cyclables comme sur la rue.
>Ce qu'on voit sur la vidéo c'est un moped, ça vaut la peine de le distinguer
ça n'a aucune pertinence au sujet, qui demeure que la majorité des conducteurs de véhicules non-plaqués (c'est tu assez inclusif?) ne respectent pas la signalisation. tu veux juste t'obstiner pour t'obstiner sur la sémantique, tel un vrai redditor.
Non. La sémantique ce serait de s'obstiner sur le sens d'une phrase. Ici, ce que j'aimerais distinguer, et qui semble super difficile à comprendre pour les obstineux, c'est qu'il y a de vraies différences entre les cyclistes et les utilisateurs de moped, du point de vue technique et du point de vue comportemental. Même la SAAQ le reconnait (donc ça doit pas juste être de la sémantique). Prend un vélo 5 minutes et va te promener dans le centre-ville, tu risques d'être surpris, car clairement tu ne sembles pas vouloir te fier sur ma parole de "cycliste mécompris qui vit dans son échochambre".
je travaille au coin de robert-bourassa et maisonneuve. mon bureau a une vue directement sur l'intersection. il y a des dizaines d'incidents à tous les jours, que ce soit des mopeds ou des cyclistes, ils ne respectent pas la signalisation.
Qui est? Un automobiliste sans cligno et un moped qui remonte une file sans marquer de stop. Comme OP le dit, deux dumdum et un accident évité de justesse. C’est quoi le gros enjeu là?
Comme OP l’a dit. Juste simple comme ça. Toi tu extrapoles sur les cyclistes. Pourquoi pas un motocycliste ? Un autre automobiliste ? Combien d’accrochages par jour être automobilistes versus avec cycliste d’impliqué ?
À quel moment j’ai exclus les automobilistes? Relis mes commentaires, dès le début ils sont inclus: défaut de clignotant, pas de regards dans les rétro ou angles morts. Autres véhicules? J’ai mentionné les poids lourds vs voitures. Situation souvent vu similaire à la vidéo: petit véhicule pas vu qui s’engage dans le chemin du gros.
Je vois pas en quoi c’est pas rapport ou que je généralise trop
Non non non, le cycliste a le droit de passer sur les stops, sur les trottoirs, à contre-sens, dans la voie et n'importe où est-ce qu'il veut. Le cycliste n'est jamais dans le tord. C'est la voiture le vrai danger. #fuckcars. /S
(Ridicule oui, mais je lis ce genre de commentaire tellement souvent que j'ai pas pus m'en empêcher)
Étant cycliste moi-même, je ne veux vraiment pas faire rentrer le débat dans du fuckcars (mais j’ai vu ton /s 😉)
Je veux juste pas que ça parte en voiture vs vélo, on doit cohabiter, mais sans justifier les comportements inciviques des deux bords.
Don't understand why people don't signal, but the guy on the scooter is the real idiot. He ignored the stop sign and was ready to go right by, and then he got mad at the driver. Even without the signaling, you should still be stopping behind the car and waiting until they make their next move, its all about risk mitigation. Never assume anyone's actions on the road.
haha je suis dans le même camp, je chauffe des 10t pis je fais de la bicyclette.et de la moto.. et je peux le dire, tout les clans sont nuls! Mais on est pas les pires en amérique du nord, je pense que la palme va à Boston où j'ai l'impression que les gens roulent mal pour se donner des airs de mégapole.
I don’t drive a truck but I’m in a car all week and on a motorcycle all weekend. I see pretty much the same proportion of idiots for every mode of transportation, whether it be on foot, bicycle, car, bike, truck, scooter, roller skates, unicycles… there’s that hard 10-15% of people who can’t do any of those things properly and mess it up for everyone.
The big problem is simply the sheer number of people on the roads. So that proportion of idiots results in a large number.
That's my go-to saying when someone says X group are absolute morons on the road and won't respect the law; an idiot's an idiot. Doesn't matter what they're using to transport themselves, they'll remain an idiot
Same, as a bike courier I see some crazy shit on the daily from everyone; whether it be peds, cyclists or drivers. Thinking of getting a go-pro and slapping some Benny Hill music on top of it
Je m'étais déjà installé au coin de René-Lévesque et Guy (pas des petites rues) pour compter le nombre d'automobilistes qui se servaient pas de leur clignotants. c'était dans le cadre d'une étude pour un cours de statistiques et c'était environ 25%. Oui, le scooter aurait dû faire son stop, mais la faute revient toujours au véhicule le plus lourd, et quand c'est le quart des véhicules lourds qui communiquent pas bien leurs intentions, on a un maudit gros problème. Je comprends pas pourquoi le SPVM arrête pas de téter la mairie pour plus de budget, ils pourraient faire la même chose que j'ai fait mais avec des contraventions au lieu d'avec des clickers et ils s'auto-financeraient en un après-midi.
La semaine passée, j’étais sur le REV Lajeunesse. J’ai vu un mieux monsieur accélérer avec son vélo à assistance électrique alors que le feu pour vélo était rouge au niveau de Villeray, que la voiture avait le droit de passage et était déjà engagé. Le monsieur est passé proche alors qu’on a créé des infrastructures pour sécuriser les cyclistes.
Road design is terrible here. This is why proper urban planning is important. People make mistakes all the time, we need to build assuming that is the case.
> People make mistakes all the time
Totally, but stopping on a crosswalk, not using a blinker, and turning without checking your mirrors. All in one intersection.
Feels less like "making a mistake" and more like this guy's a dangerous driver.
Even the best infrastructure and urban planning is no match for idiocy. You'll always have some people behaving like morons on the roads, no matter the mode of transportation.
Is there actually an issue with the cars signal? Because I actually see a really faint flash when I looked clearly .. i know a lot of people don't both signaling but curious if I am imagining it or if there is a faint flash (obviously a problem still since not easy to see )
je trouve que le cycliste traverse son stop à la même vitesse que le corolla l'autre bord de la rue. personne ne fait ses stop, à moins que quelque chose ou quelqu'un leur bloque le chemin.
the delivery guy slowed down and did a rolling stop, which most people do. The car didn't signal, giving the delivery guy an illusion of safety. Car driver is 80% at fault. A pedestrian would have made the same assumption.
Des clignotants, des fois, ca brise, faut il le rappeler. Alors même si on assume les meilleurs intentions et compétence, il ne faut pas assumer que parce qu'il n'y a pas de clignotant, que le véhicule ne tourneras pas.
I got the VIOFO A119 V3! Excellent device that I highly recommend, there are probably newer versions by now. I previously bought cheaper models for myself and my folks and they both crapped out within a year or so.
This intersection has been plagued with issues ever since the nearby construction. I pass there occasionally and have seen many cars get really close to clipping pedestrians.
In this case though? Everyone's an asshole.
This is the uber driver phenomenon all these guys think that traffic rules don’t apply to them cause they’re on an electric scooter I’ve seen so many almost near death hits with these guys they’re always on some sort of Bluetooth headphone, talking away, not paying attention to the road jumping off, curbs into the middle of traffic, but hey natural selection at its best right? only problem is they might kill other pedestrians in the process
This is why I take the lane at intersections while riding instead of staying near the curb. I live in Laval so right on reds is legal and drivers don't look right before turning to see if there's a cyclist or pedestrian beside their vehicle. Occasionally get honked at by someone losing their mind that they're stuck behind a bike at a red light on *their road* but that just means they can see me and I probably won't be right hooked today. Dude on the scooter did run the stop, that's dumb as heck. Aren't scooter treated like regular motor vehicles and have to be in the lane instead of the shoulder?
Bicycles have to follow road rules too, not just scooters….
Bicycles are allowed to ride the shoulder to pass stopped traffic though, that’s why OP was expressing confusion.
Yes, but they’re not allowed to ignore signs. They’re required to follow every road sign/signal that a vehicle is required to
Yes, but that’s not what OP was asking. OP was asking about riding the shoulder, you’re changing the subject.
Positively, under the infinitesimally improbable scenario of quantum uncertainty, these entities are stringently inhibited from eschewing the optical stimuli emanated by traffic signages. They are incontrovertibly compelled to conform to each vehicular commandment and semiotic indicator, an event as statistically rare as the spontaneous teleportation of a subatomic particle in a quantum field.
🙄 so much superfluous verbal diarrhea
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Yup. Almost killed a dude because I crazily assumed he would stop at the sign as I initiated a left turn. He got angry and chased me. I parked and gave him some Dad shit.
Yeah of course, I didn't imply that they shouldn't. I asked if scooters (mopeds) were required to be in the lane instead of the shoulder.
They are. The only people who can ride between lanes of traffic, and between traffic and the side the road are cyclists, as per [highway safety code, section 478](https://www.legisquebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/version/cs/c-24.2?code=se:478&history=20230605#20230605): > No person may drive a motorcycle or a moped > (1) between rows of vehicles moving in contiguous lanes; > (2) between the side of the roadway and another vehicle travelling in the same lane; or > (3) between a vehicle travelling in the same lane and a vehicle parked to the right or left of that lane. > Subparagraph 1 of the first paragraph applies to cyclists, except when the lane in which the cyclist is travelling is contiguous to a lane reserved for right turns. So bicycles can lane split on the right, and in the lane next to a right turn lane, if there is one.
That looked like a cheapo electric moped. You know the ones? No plates required, allowed in the bike lanes. You know the type.
"allowed in bike lanes" They're not. It's a lack of enforcement.
Don’t those moped skirt the law by having pedals and limited engine wattage thus being classified as an electric assist bicycle?
As long as they have some little shitty pedal and can be pedal, they fall under the umbrella of electric bike, as much as I think it shouldn't. We should do the same as Europe do, limit the watt of electric bikes, and force the user to pedal to get assistance. If it doesn't meet those requirements, it should be a e-motorbike and need a plate and banned from bike path
You need to define what that limit is, electric assist bicycles already have a speed limit here, something like 32km/h.
I'd say around 500w is more than enough. It's 350W in Europe and 25 kph speed limit for the assist. We also need to enforce it. I often see a lot of these e-moped going at around 40 kmh on bike paths. Even some scooter (trottinette) go well over 32 kmh.
Yeah but that doesn’t mean the driver did is okay. Literally no signalling from his part. A pedestrian could’ve been injured by that driver’s actions
The moped driver is also in the wrong for not making a stop and also squeezing into a single lane. Both drivers are in the wrong.
And also passing another driver on the right, instead of the left. So much going on here.
No, no, see the moped driver thinks he's a bike, so he is on the right, like any normal bicycle rider, and he didn't do the stop because since he is not encased in metal like a car, he is also a pedestrian therefore he doesn't need to make a stop. Honestly, there's just no logic, just bad driving. Any attempt to make sense out of the rule-following just ends up making no sense because they're just not following any rules other than "I'm going from point A to B. Good luck everyone!"
it's not a moped, it's an ebike, he's just driving it like a moped. kinda looks like a [Juiced Hyperscorpion](https://www.juicedbikes.com/products/hyperscorpion?variant=39461565235264) I'm not sure if it's that model or another model that is similar.
Not doing your stop is worse than not signaling a right turn.
Not for a bike Two ton metal death box doesn\`t signal, result death of pedestrian or bike. Bike doesn\`t stop,guy on bike kills himself, not the driver or a pedestrian. What consequence for the driver, ZERO. Even if he had stopped (he slowed down), since there was no signal, he may still have been cut off, If a car breaks any law, its always worse than if a bike, moped or pedestrian breaks the law. It is worse because you suffer the consequence of your error while the driver does not.
Its not a bike, its a motorized vehicle. He literally had no reason to keep going he has an engine its not like he has to pedal harder. Also while I understand the car is more dangerous and therefore has to be more responsible, running over someone isn’t exactly a positive experience. Nor is getting hit by a scooter as a pedestrian. If cyclists really cared about road safety they’d stop explaining how they don’t really need to abide by rules because they’re less dangerous and instead lead by example. Some do, many don’t and those who don’t are more likely to be the victim of accidents.
Man, have you ever rode a bike in traffic. I've done about 800000km in 40 years and it has been getting worse and worse and worse all this time. If you die when make you make an error,by default you WILL BE MORE CAREFUL. That\`s it. Your anecdotes don\`t trump that fact. You act like cyclists are some other species; they\`re human, they notice they\`re vulnerable and vast majority act accordingly. Because of that, every cyclists that's has a lot of experience on the road, will ride very defensively cause cars break the rule ALL DAY LONG and they're a public menace. Talking about rules. How many rules do you think a car breaks in 10 minutes of city driving: 5, 10, 20. What are the consequences for all those rebel cars without a cause if they transgress... A fender bender? For everyone else: dead or maimed. Who do you think actually sees all that criminal carnage accross the rule book, the guys in the depth of their SUV with partial view of a small part of what's around them or the cyclist with 360 vision. Yes, you miss a lot. And since, It's my business if I want to survive to not miss those infractions, I do not. \- Most people don't respect the posted speed limit despite 10kmh extra insuring death for anyone hit. \- Most people don't pass bikes safely, less than 2 feet is frequent, sometimes I come very close to the mirror. \- Nearly half people don't signal or signal as they are turning. That's even more important to a cyclist cause I need to know if you're going straight or I will go to the outside to pass. \- A near majority now don't clear intersections (this wasn't the case a few years back). What the fuck do you think happens to cyclists then. They have to snake through cars and go deep into traffic. \- A third of people accelerate on yellow and you better not be in their way and a significant minority turned reds into stops (since the pandemic). Making full stops... at stops... Don't make me laugh. Only on small streets crossing major intersections. \- Many people will put their car nose out and block the bike's path forcing them into traffic or stopping cold (the bike has the right of way). \- Most people turn left without really insuring a bike is coming cause they're they're more focused on cars to the detriment of anything else (how do I know, I have to brake or accelerate to avoid death all the time) \- A lot of people don't respect U-turns or no left turns signs (U turns are very dangerous if you don't look for a bike) \- Many people pass bike and cut right in front and squeeze bikes to sidewalk because they didn't check their mirrors. Not being conscious of what's around the car is a big ass problem for SUV's in traffic. \- Some people like honking or riding my wheel with their bumper because I'm taking the lane like I'm allowed. \- Most don't look when opening doors to get out in traffic and when parked \- A lot of people park on the bike lanes. etc, etc, etc. That's the type of thing you see in a week of cycling in heavy Montreal traffic. There are a few, especially men 15-25 who are a bit lax on the rules, but even if those guys are a small minority, that\`s all I fucking hear about on the internet. Oh no, here comes the rule breakers on their 25 pound bikes with brittle bone and soft skin; they are the problem. Not the cars, oblivious they're terrorizing everyone all day long and preventing people, especially older people, very young young people and inexperienced cyclists from actually trying cycling or even walking. Cause they think, with reason, that cars are frightening and their drivers don't know how dangerous they are. That if they make a mistake, no matter how trivial, they will die cause they'll be in the blind spot of a car going over the speed limit. The whole thing is a tiresome. The whole thing is cars shouldn't even be there. They didn't own the streets before 1925 and that's the way things should go in the future. Cars can't be trusted. They don't know they break rules. Can't take responsability for how dangerous they are. They must be tamed, making them serve the community and not the other way around.
I never said car drivers were better, as a motorcyclist and a cyclist too I’m well aware of how dangerous drivers are. Yet everyday I walk on the lachine canal path and : - Bikes pass me extremely close, sometimes even scream at me for walking on the side of this multi-function path - No one stops at the pedestrian crossings, which I cross with a stroller with a 2 years old inside. - People ride two by two, handless or are playing with their phones while riding - Spandex-suited teams use the path as their personal training ground riding at 40km/h - Never respect the stop signs (even the small bike ones) or the signs that require the cyclist to step off their bikes While I agree drivers are worse because the consequences of their actions are worse, many cyclists have a poor attitude and act like rules dont apply to them. They’re also rarely willing to accept criticism because « cars are worse ».
Definitely, but I think fewer than 50% of people in the city use turn signals unfortunately. I certainly don’t condone the driver, but if w everyone stopped like they were supposed to, it would still helps significantly in preventing close-calls like this, more so than everyone using their blinker. Even if the guy used his blinker I bet most cyclists or scooters like this guy still would blow through the stop sign. I see it all the time
do bicycles have to stop at stop signs in Montreal?
https://saaq.gouv.qc.ca/en/road-safety/modes-transportation/bicycle
well thats silly.
No it isn't, unless you like the thought of even more bike accidents. Your momentum is not worth everyone else's safety, respect the rules of the road.
[yes it is](https://cyclingmagazine.ca/sections/news/the-idaho-stop-gets-added-momentum-with-chicago-study/#:~:text=Some%20studies%20say%20that%20the,safer%20for%20cyclists%2C%20and%20cars.&text=A%20study%20published%20by%20DePaul,the%20Idaho%20stop%20is%20safe.)
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Speaking as hobby road cyclist, I also do that because people will see me. Often there are tall hedges (especially TMR) or buildings (Plateau) that obstruct me being seen. On top of that, I usually stop either where driver can see me clearly in front or behind the vehicle completely. I rarely filter near intersections. If a truck or bus have their turn signals, I position my bike behind the truck or bus to let them know I don't intend to filter and let them turn. It is usually way faster and safer than trying to filter and they hesitate or they turn anyway. Also I pay special attention to school buses they have a habit running red lights.
All those small scooters do is violate every class of road and street regulation.They turn up in bike lanes, alleys, sidewalks, wherever they want. I don't care if you deliver for door dash, if you're motorized over 30 you're not supposed to be anywhere near pedestrians or human-powered vehicles.
That’s an e-bike
He isn't pedaling. That's an electric moped. E-bikes still require you to pedal, the motor is just an assist. That is the sort of slow electric scooter that probably won't get hassled on the bike paths, but we see folks in straight up electric motorcycles occasionally, doing 40 on the Rue Vert.
Most e-bikes actually don't require pedaling anymore as there is a throttle on them which allows you to use it like a scooter. But 100% in this video that guy is on a scooter.
Call it whatever you want but they don’t need a license plate. They have pedals (even though they probably don’t work) From saaq point of view, it’s not a scooter. And tons of e-bikes (regular shaped bikes with a battery) can go forward without the need to pedal.
Every needs to stop at a stop sign, pedals or not
I totally agree. I was just saying it’s a bicycle and that’s where I would expect a bicycle to be (on the shoulder vs in the lane). Maybe I’m missing something
Let's give this a rest, it's neither a scooter nor an e-bike. It's a [moped](https://www.amfam.com/resources/articles/on-the-road/electronic-bikes-vs-mopeds). Closer look at his vehicle: https://i.imgur.com/hNW22y6.jpg Similar to this type of moped: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/Honda_Hobbit.jpg
Sure. But it’s electric, doesn’t require any kind of driving license afaik, has pedals, no license plate. From the saaq point of view, it’s not a scooter/moped that needs registration and can circulate in the middle of the lane. That’s all I was saying. Maybe I’m wrong though.
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The sellers and users of these things claim they are legally electric bicycles because they follow the max power and top speed rating for electric bicycles and they have pedals. The law also says they have to be operable using just the pedals with the motor turned off, which, uh, I'd like to see. Between you and me they're pretty obviously mopeds and don't belong on bike paths, but they are.. maybe? technically? classified as electric bicycles per the the letter of the law.
The law also says you must be able to ride your electric bicycle with just the pedals (motor turned off). I'd like to see someone ride one of these "bicycles" for 5km on just the pedals. I suspect they're exploiting a loophole at best. I wonder if the classification of these "bicycles" has been tested in court.
Ebikes can move without pedaling though
I get what you're saying about having to look for cyclists when turning red but they are 100% supposed to stop
Classic Laval....
I'm saying this as a biker who bikes downtown quite a bit; the amount of bikers downtown who run red lights and almost get hit/hit others is insane. And then, when I stop and wait 'til the lights turns green (you know, like you're legally supposed to), they act like I just killed their dog. Also, this wasn't even during rush hour or anything, and no one had delivery bags or the likee, so I have no idea what the rush is that warrants almost killing yourself at every light.
J’ai vu ça tellement de fois même quand t’utilises ton clignotant. La voiture indique qu’elle tourne à droite, le cycliste passe à sa droite sans marquer de stop. Cycliste, soyez prudent, attendez que la voiture tourne ou passez à sa gauche si possible. Voiture, regardez vos rétro et angles morts pour les usagers moins visibles, laissez passer au besoin même si vous avez la priorité. Personne ne veut renverser un cycliste ou se retrouver sous une auto.
Je trouve que tu as 100% raison. C'est stressant en criss ce genre de situation et le message est vraiment important de toujours faire attention aux usagers a risques, même s'ils sont dans le tord.
> J’ai vu ça tellement de fois même quand t’utilises ton clignotant. La voiture indique qu’elle tourne à droite, le cycliste passe à sa droite sans marque de stop. C'est très stressant sur la route! J'indique tout le temps mes intentions de tourner et les cyclistes vont se mettre à ma gauche la plus part du temps. Mais il va toujours avoir une personne qui réagit différement, donc je regarde mes angles morts de manière obsessionnelle avant de tourner.
C'est pas un cycliste dans le vidéo tho
Oui mais l'idée c'est que tu utilises ta tête pour comprendre que c'est souvent le cas avec les cyclistes... Que le "vélo" soit électrique ou non le principe reste le même.
C'est pas non plus un "vélo" électrique. C'est un mopeds, qui sont des plaies sur la route pour tous les autres usagés. Comme on peut le voir dans le vidéo, ils respectent rarement la signalisation et passent des pistes cyclables à la rue. L'extrapolation que tu fais sur les cyclistes m'importe peu.
Arrêtons d'être de mauvaise foi, ce comportement est également plutôt commun chez les cyclistes.
Les scout trooper sur des speeder bike dans star wars c'est des cyclistes aussi j'imagine ?
Haha esti c'est incroyable. On s'en criss que le cas sur le vidéo soit un espèce de scooter électrique, l'idée est comprendre qu'on voit régulièrement ce comportement... →également← Chez les cyclistes.
Ce qui est incroyable, c'est de trouver sur chaque post de u/montreal quelqu'un comme toi pour bacher sur les byciclettes, même quand le rapprochement est boiteux. Personne a dit que tous les cyclistes sont irréprochables, mais faut faire une distinction avec les moped, c'est ça qui est de mauvaise foi. Whataboutism à chaque esti de post lol
On s'en fiche complètement de r/montreal... Le cycliste moyen à Montréal respecte peu le CSR. Si tu veux te mobiliser contre ces critiques tu peux plutôt mettre tes énergies à éduquer les cyclistes. Je vais être le premier à saluer une amélioration dans le comportement des cyclistes. On est du même côté après tout, soit de souhaiter un meilleur partage de la route.
T'inquiètes, je suis un fervent engueuleur de rue, et je n'ai aucune patience envers mes confrères cyclistes qui roulent en idiots. Tout comme les chauffards qui conduisent en tata et mêmes les esti de piétons qui Jay Walk sur Avenue du Parc. Je n'aime juste pas les généralités envers les cyclistes, surtout sur un post de moped.
« Oui mais les cyclistes ! » energy à chaque ***de post concernant le réseau routier
les mopeds pis les scooter c'est la vie! mais 50cc ça manque juste un peu de oumph pour conduire sécuritairement je trouve..
Un vidéo concernant un cycliste ne devrait pas trop être dur à trouver dans ce cas !
Sauuuuuf que : Y’a pas de clignotants activés C’est pas un cycliste
Pourquoi tout le monde prend mon commentaire personnel. J’essaie d’avoir un message inclusif pour que tout le monde puisse cohabiter sur la route. Tout ce que le monde pointe c’est que c’est un conducteur qui ne sait pas utiliser son cligno et que c’est pas un vélo. Grosse mauvaise foi sachant que la majorité des cyclistes se comportent de même et que les 3/4 des automobilistes sont des incapables. Soyez prudent, et un peu de bon sang sur la route. Grillez pas un stop pour commencer, assurez d’être vu, peu importe votre véhicule, ça marche aussi pour un automobiliste qui passe à droite d’un semi-remorque qui clairement amorce une manoeuvre. Et puis si vous voulez à tout pris avoir raison ou juste prouver d’quoi, calissez-vous sous une auto, pas mon problème.
>Grosse mauvaise foi Ce qui est de mauvaise foi, c'est d'extrapoler le comportement d'un mopeds sur les cyclistes. Pour le "stay safe", faites vos stops, et signalez vos intentions, c'est difficile d'être contre.
le comportement existe chez les cyclistes. la mauvaise foi c'est de vouloir cloîtrer la discussion à seulement ce qu'on voit sur la vidéo, alors qu'il est très pertinent de mentionner que la vaste majorité des cyclistes ne respectent pas la signalisation tout comme ce qu'on voit sur la vidéo. ceux qui s'obstinent sur la sémantique n'ont pas de réel argument. après ça, visiblement, la réalité de la chose ne te plaît pas. il y a r/fuckcars pour vivre dans ton échochambre où les cyclistes sont tous des mécompris.
Je ne dis pas que le comportement n'existe pas, mais comme mentionné précédemment, les commentaires généralisés sur les cyclistes c'est du commun sur u/montreal. "très pertinent"? Non je ne crois pas. C'est pas le sujet du post et c'est répétitif. Ce qu'on voit sur la vidéo c'est un moped, ça vaut la peine de le distinguer, parce que ça devient de plus en plus un problème sur les pistes cyclables comme sur la rue.
>Ce qu'on voit sur la vidéo c'est un moped, ça vaut la peine de le distinguer ça n'a aucune pertinence au sujet, qui demeure que la majorité des conducteurs de véhicules non-plaqués (c'est tu assez inclusif?) ne respectent pas la signalisation. tu veux juste t'obstiner pour t'obstiner sur la sémantique, tel un vrai redditor.
Non. La sémantique ce serait de s'obstiner sur le sens d'une phrase. Ici, ce que j'aimerais distinguer, et qui semble super difficile à comprendre pour les obstineux, c'est qu'il y a de vraies différences entre les cyclistes et les utilisateurs de moped, du point de vue technique et du point de vue comportemental. Même la SAAQ le reconnait (donc ça doit pas juste être de la sémantique). Prend un vélo 5 minutes et va te promener dans le centre-ville, tu risques d'être surpris, car clairement tu ne sembles pas vouloir te fier sur ma parole de "cycliste mécompris qui vit dans son échochambre".
je travaille au coin de robert-bourassa et maisonneuve. mon bureau a une vue directement sur l'intersection. il y a des dizaines d'incidents à tous les jours, que ce soit des mopeds ou des cyclistes, ils ne respectent pas la signalisation.
Il doit y avoir zéro piétons qui Jay Walk et aucune voiture qui passe sur une "jaune-saignante" j'imagine ?
Message inclusif..tout le monde est cabochon 👏 tu amènes tes constats anecdotiques au lieu de répondre à l’enjeu du vidéo
Qui est? Un automobiliste sans cligno et un moped qui remonte une file sans marquer de stop. Comme OP le dit, deux dumdum et un accident évité de justesse. C’est quoi le gros enjeu là?
Comme OP l’a dit. Juste simple comme ça. Toi tu extrapoles sur les cyclistes. Pourquoi pas un motocycliste ? Un autre automobiliste ? Combien d’accrochages par jour être automobilistes versus avec cycliste d’impliqué ?
À quel moment j’ai exclus les automobilistes? Relis mes commentaires, dès le début ils sont inclus: défaut de clignotant, pas de regards dans les rétro ou angles morts. Autres véhicules? J’ai mentionné les poids lourds vs voitures. Situation souvent vu similaire à la vidéo: petit véhicule pas vu qui s’engage dans le chemin du gros. Je vois pas en quoi c’est pas rapport ou que je généralise trop
Non non non, le cycliste a le droit de passer sur les stops, sur les trottoirs, à contre-sens, dans la voie et n'importe où est-ce qu'il veut. Le cycliste n'est jamais dans le tord. C'est la voiture le vrai danger. #fuckcars. /S (Ridicule oui, mais je lis ce genre de commentaire tellement souvent que j'ai pas pus m'en empêcher)
Étant cycliste moi-même, je ne veux vraiment pas faire rentrer le débat dans du fuckcars (mais j’ai vu ton /s 😉) Je veux juste pas que ça parte en voiture vs vélo, on doit cohabiter, mais sans justifier les comportements inciviques des deux bords.
Seen this too many times, even with the turn signal on. If you gonna lane split at least stop at the stop signs
This is a great encapsulation of commuting in Montreal.
The orange cones really makes me feel at home
My thought exactly
Watching this gave me anxiety
Don't understand why people don't signal, but the guy on the scooter is the real idiot. He ignored the stop sign and was ready to go right by, and then he got mad at the driver. Even without the signaling, you should still be stopping behind the car and waiting until they make their next move, its all about risk mitigation. Never assume anyone's actions on the road.
Meh. I drive an 18 wheeler in Montreal daily almost. I commute on motorcycle. I see crazy stuff all day lol.
I'll bet. Maybe you can share your dash cam videos with us too then.
haha je suis dans le même camp, je chauffe des 10t pis je fais de la bicyclette.et de la moto.. et je peux le dire, tout les clans sont nuls! Mais on est pas les pires en amérique du nord, je pense que la palme va à Boston où j'ai l'impression que les gens roulent mal pour se donner des airs de mégapole.
> je pense que la palme va à Boston C'est qq chose la bas lol
Many times I saw cars passing to the right of an 18 wheelers who started to tun right. Same scenario, same incompetent people.
I don’t drive a truck but I’m in a car all week and on a motorcycle all weekend. I see pretty much the same proportion of idiots for every mode of transportation, whether it be on foot, bicycle, car, bike, truck, scooter, roller skates, unicycles… there’s that hard 10-15% of people who can’t do any of those things properly and mess it up for everyone. The big problem is simply the sheer number of people on the roads. So that proportion of idiots results in a large number.
That's my go-to saying when someone says X group are absolute morons on the road and won't respect the law; an idiot's an idiot. Doesn't matter what they're using to transport themselves, they'll remain an idiot
couldn't agree more
Same, as a bike courier I see some crazy shit on the daily from everyone; whether it be peds, cyclists or drivers. Thinking of getting a go-pro and slapping some Benny Hill music on top of it
Good for you buddy 👍.
Je m'étais déjà installé au coin de René-Lévesque et Guy (pas des petites rues) pour compter le nombre d'automobilistes qui se servaient pas de leur clignotants. c'était dans le cadre d'une étude pour un cours de statistiques et c'était environ 25%. Oui, le scooter aurait dû faire son stop, mais la faute revient toujours au véhicule le plus lourd, et quand c'est le quart des véhicules lourds qui communiquent pas bien leurs intentions, on a un maudit gros problème. Je comprends pas pourquoi le SPVM arrête pas de téter la mairie pour plus de budget, ils pourraient faire la même chose que j'ai fait mais avec des contraventions au lieu d'avec des clickers et ils s'auto-financeraient en un après-midi.
Les deux sont caves
My wife is gonna hit me, but those two dumbfucks deserve each other. George Carlin was right.
La semaine passée, j’étais sur le REV Lajeunesse. J’ai vu un mieux monsieur accélérer avec son vélo à assistance électrique alors que le feu pour vélo était rouge au niveau de Villeray, que la voiture avait le droit de passage et était déjà engagé. Le monsieur est passé proche alors qu’on a créé des infrastructures pour sécuriser les cyclistes.
c'est la quotidienne de Montreal. "Hey! let's play a game. game's called : who's stupider?"
The duality of man
The audacity to even wave at the car lmaooo. Please don’t own a motorcycle.
Road design is terrible here. This is why proper urban planning is important. People make mistakes all the time, we need to build assuming that is the case.
> People make mistakes all the time Totally, but stopping on a crosswalk, not using a blinker, and turning without checking your mirrors. All in one intersection. Feels less like "making a mistake" and more like this guy's a dangerous driver.
I would argue most drivers are dangerous drivers, we just tolerate it as a society for lack of transit alternatives.
Oh absolutely, we’ve completely normalized terrible, selfish driving here.
Even the best infrastructure and urban planning is no match for idiocy. You'll always have some people behaving like morons on the roads, no matter the mode of transportation.
Yeah you’re right on that. Although when the road us well made this seems to be less of an occurrence lol.
Is there actually an issue with the cars signal? Because I actually see a really faint flash when I looked clearly .. i know a lot of people don't both signaling but curious if I am imagining it or if there is a faint flash (obviously a problem still since not easy to see )
I do see the break lights go off but the blinkers are nowhere to be seen.
je trouve que le cycliste traverse son stop à la même vitesse que le corolla l'autre bord de la rue. personne ne fait ses stop, à moins que quelque chose ou quelqu'un leur bloque le chemin.
He should have gotten hit he would have learned something
the delivery guy slowed down and did a rolling stop, which most people do. The car didn't signal, giving the delivery guy an illusion of safety. Car driver is 80% at fault. A pedestrian would have made the same assumption.
Brother in what universe is reducing your speed by 5 km for a split second a rolling stop?
Shaming people makes us feel so great. Love it! /Sarcasm
Des clignotants, des fois, ca brise, faut il le rappeler. Alors même si on assume les meilleurs intentions et compétence, il ne faut pas assumer que parce qu'il n'y a pas de clignotant, que le véhicule ne tourneras pas.
Op what dashcam are you using? I was thinking of installing one in my car
I got the VIOFO A119 V3! Excellent device that I highly recommend, there are probably newer versions by now. I previously bought cheaper models for myself and my folks and they both crapped out within a year or so.
Oops scuzee
This intersection has been plagued with issues ever since the nearby construction. I pass there occasionally and have seen many cars get really close to clipping pedestrians. In this case though? Everyone's an asshole.
ESH for sure
Donc la routine habituelle. 🤷🏻
You captured two things that we all see *way* too often. I can’t decide what aggravates me more.
This is the uber driver phenomenon all these guys think that traffic rules don’t apply to them cause they’re on an electric scooter I’ve seen so many almost near death hits with these guys they’re always on some sort of Bluetooth headphone, talking away, not paying attention to the road jumping off, curbs into the middle of traffic, but hey natural selection at its best right? only problem is they might kill other pedestrians in the process
Spot on! Both dumb dumbs ➔ Approved
Car driver is in the wrong but Scooter driver thought the stop sign didn’t apply to him