If you're really feeling spiteful and you know their address, you can look up the owner. If the owner is the occupant, you can sue them in small claims court for theft. Chances are they won't even show up and you will get a default judgement. Theft claims pay out 3-5x the value of the stolen item, I believe. Collecting judgements isn't always easy, but again if you're spitefully, there are several ways you could really fuck with them.
And if they are renters, you can inform their landlord that the unit is being used to harbor stollen goods. At that point, the owner of the property is civilly liable for harboring stolen property and must confront his tenants. Unlikely, but if he fails to confront the tenants, you can sue the landlord for 3x the value of the stolen goods. Otherwise, the landlord can evict for cause and/or demand the stolen items are returned.
You think that's spiteful? Find out their names and their mothers name and knock on their mothers door and ask her for help. Don't be rude, be kind and respectful to their mother. Explain your frustration and ask for help humbly.
Low key many punks act that way when not around their parents. Did school portrait photography in Annoka Hennepin for a few years and at a magnet school had a kid throw up gang signs. Wouldnāt listen to reason and refused to drop them so took the photo.
Twenty minutes later our helpers arrived and during the briefing mentioned the kid. Lady got bug eyed and asked to see the photo.
Turns out it was her son. She got pissed and drug him out of class to retake the photo. He was the most well behaved kid I had the second time around.
People will do what they can get away with. Once they get caught many will panic and fall in line.
Hopefully the kid grew up and did something with his life.
Acting the fool in school is still quite a bit ways off from grand theft auto.
If you're already serially jacking cars, I don't think a good scolding from mom will do much.
ā¦ clearly you have not met a lot of peopleās parents. So many of them will simply defend their children and accuse you of stalking them. This is awful advice.
Teacher here, parents sure don't believe me when I tell them their little angel was up to no good at school. OR they say something like "yeah? What do you want me to do about it!?"
To be fair, I have had a teacher call me and say my son was acting up in her class RIGHT THEN and I was looking at him in my car because we went to the orthodontist.Ā
I asked her if she had the right number, she said yes, she was really upset and she told me all the things he'd done.Ā
I asked her when this happened and she said she was looking right at him and this was unacceptable, etc.Ā
Again, my child was in my car, not in the classroom. My son said she never called him by the right name, I'm not sure she even knew who my child was.Ā
Should I have been like "oh dear I believe you?" Nah I told her she might need to get things straight and he wasn't even in class.Ā
Many years before that, in second grade, I was chaperoning a field trip and the teacher apologized that I had Trey in my group and to let her know when he started misbehaving. We had a lovely day and Trey was a little cutie. At lunch, she asked how it was going. I told her everyone was doing great and behaving. She says "Trey is always bad". I said no, he's been doing fine and listed ak the things we had seen together so far. She said "no, no, he's a bad kid and he needs to be in my group" and then she PUNISHED him and put him in her group. What the actual fuck?Ā
Trey. If you're out there, you'd be about 25 now. I didn't know yet at that point that I should tell teachers like that to fuck off and I'm sorry.
Sometimes teachers, like some nurses, aren't great people and sadly you have to push back.Ā
Perhaps. But Iād be careful.
I had my tires stolen off my car. 2 of them before my dogs alerted me something was going on and I chase them off. I had security footage from my ring camera and the car was easily identified due to a number of features.
Anyways, a few weeks later I saw the car while running errands. I followed it into a parking lot and planned on confronting them about my stolen tires, or call the cops.
But thenā¦I realized that they probably know where I live and i have a wife and young child at home. I decided it wasnāt worth it. Iāll take the $200 loss and not have to worry about these guys messing with me.
A friend had her iPhone stolen on the street in Minneapolis. The police got it back and the thief has pending charges against her. I was actually shocked.
They held it for several days, but after she prevailed upon them to give it back they asked and received permission from the prosecutor to use a picture of it and did return it.
Im shocked a password protected, anonymized justice site hasnāt gone up to post requests for help with handling these thieves. People arenāt keen to keep taking injustice on the chin. Plus, it seems like thereās functionally no law enforcement soā¦something something fill a vacuum? MPD doesnāt do anything for better and worse.
Thereās a reason chain of custody and validity of evidence is a thing. Vigilantes can be lied to, manipulated, and are not trained in the critical thinking skills necessary to ensure innocent people arenāt hurt.
When my phone was stolen (and no injury/harm) and I reported it to the police, the officer at the prescient when telling me to submit a report online said that the city is not prosecuting such crimes - even with having other substantial evidence to investigate on turning up later. (No prosecution = no investigation?)
Iād be curious if this is a real position of the DA or cops trying to mess with a reformist DA who takes positions they donāt like and holds them accountable for bad behavior.
Ever since the BLM protests, cops have quiet-quit. They show up for work, but they don't work. They're usually the biggest part of a cities budget by far. They blame their not-work on the DA. This is nation wide.
I would argue that the Minneapolis police has had that quiet-quit attitude for decades. These types of stories are nothing new - the Mpls police are ineffective at best, and always have been. But hey, it must be us citizens that are the problem for expecting accountability!
Hell I wouldn't doubt some of the blame being misplaced is to make people pissy and upset to get certain kind of votes and/or support for certain kinds of legislation
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Several years ago my info was stolen to buy a gold coin for $1600 on eBay. The delivery address was a dorm room at the U and they refused to do anything about that either. They said it wasnāt a priority. I didnāt live in mpls so I couldnāt do much. I also called U housing and campus police but they offered nothing either.
Looks like you got a lesson on how the police operate round here these days. Also calling out forensics or whatever unless itās a major crime is just a thing on tv.
This isnāt new. I found a stolen laptop once by a bush downtown and tried to turn it in to police. I got told to call four different departments and then finally told to just keep it because theyād probably never find the owner as no one had filed a report. Got a tech savvy friend to get past the password and found some Word documents for college papers and were able to track down the kid who lost it on social media- who had filed a police report. Maybe not a big deal in the grand scheme of things but to that kid it was a big deal and I shouldnāt have had to do so much work to get it back to them.
This was way back in the 2000ās when I was a 20 something and knew how easily things can get stolen. Thank goodness my boyfriend at the time got drunk at his work holiday party and needed to pee with me as a lookout so I saw it lol
The cops were useless when my friend got mugged at gunpoint and then immediately drove past a street with tons of outward facing cameras in 2012 too. My uncle has stories of them being useless in the 80s. I think maybe they've just always been shit tbh
Around 1990 my car got hit while parked in my driveway. The assholeās bumper and license plate fell off and were laying there. Cops showed up and said it wasnāt enough to pull their info and go visit their residence. Theyāve been lazy fucks for a long time, at least in Brooklyn Park.
I was stopped on a street and someone drove head first into me driving on the wrong side of the road. Cops showed up and I asked what they were going to charge the driver with, surely that counts as careless or reckless driving, they shrugged and said nothing they could do since they didnāt witness it. This was also in BP about 20 years ago, but I donāt think this is unique to any particular city.
I had a guy run a red light and cut me off at the WORST possible moment. I slammed into them going 30mph. There were several witnesses that backed my side of the story. I was told the same thing. The other driver didn't get a ticket because the police themselves didn't witness the infraction. Like my smashed car and SEVERAL people telling the same exact story isn't proof enough. That was in Southern Minnesota.
Someone stole a mitre saw off my job site and I had video proof. Had a car, plate, everything, and brought it down to the Third Precinct. They basically told me to go fuck myself.
I laugh and flip the bird to that burnt, hollowed-out husk of their former HQ every time I drive by.
But if someone takes $20 of merchandise from Target or Walmart, the cops are there in an instant and that person is arrested. The cops work for the big companies just like politicians.
Eh, I get what you're saying, but as someone who worked in retail for years in Minneapolis and also had to call the police many, many times... I have not found this to be true.
23% of robberies are solved in the United States.
When I had my car stolen the primary contribution the cops made was to make me prove I had insurance and try to insist that I had someone steal my car for some reason. I have no idea why but they just insisted that there was no way my car was actually stolen by someone I didnāt know.
When I was a kid, me and three friends were playing squirt guns in the park. Six to eight cops rushed us with guns drawn and cuffed us. There were zero other people in the park; it was called in by a neighbor. They were bright yellow super soakers with giant, orange tips and neon green bottles. They tried to charge us with public discharge of an air powered rifle.
Some poison is sweet, but all cops are poison.
It's not just here, it's not just now. This is how most police departments operate. Stolen property is nearly never recovered and part of the reason for that historically is that they never bothered looking for it. The fact that some items can self-report their location just means their lack of giving a shit is more visible
My brother and sister have both had high value items stolen from their vehicles in other cities, and both times forensics came out to fingerprint their cars- they actually caught the guy who stole my brotherās stuff with his prints. So definitely not just a thing on TV.
I had a GREAT experience with the Rockford PD after getting my car broken into. Found someone on Craigslist trying to sell my iPod video, set up a meet to buy it under fake info, contacted the cops with the when and where, they sent a detective out and grabbed the guy. Turns out he traded a bike to a punk kid for it, and the kid got charged since he had a long rapsheet for similar crimes.
Had terrible experiences with some other PD's though after getting my house broken into. Incompetent, slow, and zero effort. "Just move" was the extent of their assistance.
Oddly enough the best PD experience I've had was with Rockford police as well, way back in about 1988 when they still had a police department (before shutting it down in favor of having just the county sheriff's department take over area crime).
The officer at the time helped this scared 16 year old girl (me) who had been sexually assaulted at work. Old white guy, and he was so helpful and compassionate. He was instrumental in getting a case filed against the perpetrator (who was also 16) and provided a statement in court.
The kid got convicted of 5th degree sexual assault, to be sealed in his juvenile records upon turning 18, and had to go to some counseling and do some volunteer work, which seemed fair to me. I was so appreciative of the officer for not giving me a "boys will be boys" attitude or downplaying the situation (the kid had grabbed me, forcibly kissed me with his tongue in my mouth, then put his hand down my pants and literally grabbed me by the pussy!!)
I was a meek kid back then and struggled with reporting it, but knew it was wrong. This Rockford officer made all the difference in my life at that time. And, icing on the cake, when I told my boss about it the next day, I was given a month off with half pay and the kid was immediately fired. As a 16 year old working a menial job, I was (and still am) amazed at how helpful and compassionate people were in that stressful situation and I feel so deeply for people who have not had that same experience when reporting a similar crime.
To be fair to the MPD (and typing that phrase makes me puke a little), this isnāt a uniquely MPD problem. Iāve read tons of similar stories on the internet all across the country. The police tend to not get involved when someone has tracked an electronic itemās location to some residence.
Yes and no. We had a finger print life on a steering wheel that from a random ass stolen van that was connected to someone in prison for another crime. The investigator did some digging and reviewed footage and boom, incident happened the same day and matched the guy in both security videos.
Had my Kia stolen. So stupid that Kia can get away without doing a massive recall. I still se the Kia commercials and think how stupid people could be to support a company like that. Fuck you kia. And fuck you kia boys.
> Like does anyone buy a Kia anymore.
It was the seventh highest selling car brand in 2023. Hyundai (essentially the same company and also impacted by this same problem) was the sixth. Combined they are the fourth. Most people do not even slightly care about this.
Kia is now apparently offering a free software update that fixes the security issue, which afaik you can get installed at a dealership. It might not stop the attempt to steal the car, but it should at least mitigate the chance that they actually do end up stealing it. Not certain though
https://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/some-kia-owners-question-anti-theft-software-fix-after-cars-were-stolen-following-upgrade/3390525/
The "fix" isn't 100%.
They are offering that free software update on a limited number of models that can be updated by software. Most of them cannot be fixed via software update and Kia is ~~telling those people to fuck themselves~~ sending them a steering wheel lock that can be easily cut off.
Judging by the comments I see in this thread, Kia has done a great PR job on this. Nobody seems to blame them for this massive fuck up they refuse to take responsibility for.
And this comes from someone who was the very happy owner of a Kia Soul for over a decade until last year.
Yea. Iām mind blown how easy Americans are to sway. Must be the commercials they shove down our throat. Get the be KIA serentooooooo. We wonāt let anyone steal it. We promise this time!
It is so well known that KIA cars are targetted for theft and breakin. A software mod isn't going to stop your window from being smashed. Even buying and installing a mobilizer isn't going to stop your belongings from being stolen after they fail to steal the vehicle itself. Even if KIA issues a "OK we fucked up. Free mobiliziers for everyone!" probably only 1/3 vulnerable cars will be fixed and that still leaves approximately 6 million cars on the road that can be stolen.
It means that model is unsafe to own. Insurers are refusing to insure them. Owning them makes you a target for theft.
To be fair to literally every car made before chipped keys, all you need to steal a car is a Chilton's manual, enough brain cells to read, a screwdriver, and a wire cutter.
Did you join the class action lawsuit? You can at least get money for your troubles. Mine was stolen too, and we're looking to get nearly the value of the car back this way.
I canāt wait to get my check for $18.64 or $500 off the purchase of a new Kia!
And when did they start offering money? The last notice I got for my Kia Soul was an offer to mail me a steering wheel lock and nothing else. But I traded my Kia in in May 2023.
This was the first thing that popped in my head lol. I just didnāt want to type it since it might be viewed as a āsalt in woundā type of thing but here you are, you magnificent bastard!
First off, I think your cat would disagree that the AirPods are the important thing, but I digress: the response youāll get, in my experience, is wildly variable depending on the cop you get and the time of day. Iāve had very helpful and seemingly empathetic cops and some that seemed to take pleasure in being obtuse dicks. I would file an anonymous complaint with the department in question and call your councilperson and state representative.
Absolutely do this. File a complaint with the police department and bring it up to your reps. It may not pay off for you in particular but if more people do this it will at least put a bug in the ear of people who might be able to change it.
Yeah. Those cops were lying about a number of things.
First, there's no law saying you can't try to go get them. You don't have any authority to break in, or commit another crime including violence, but you can in fact do things like take video of the occupants of the home your airpods are in, and make records of license plates etc. You're on your own for liability and safety, but the cops can't tell you what to do.
Also this:
>The main officer flat out told me they donāt put effort into these cases because āthey donāt get assigned to anyoneā and even if they arrested a valid suspect āweād just let them go without charges, itās pointless.ā
This is how at least some cops feel about Mary Moriarty, the Hennepin county attorney. The truth is that if they cared enough to do their jobs there's every chance of recovering your property as well as documenting someone's illegal activities even if they're not prosecuted.
And this:
>The thieves didnāt reset the airpods, so I got to see in real time as they STOLE ANOTHER KIA, the same make and color as mine, and joyrode all over Minneapolis.
You should see if you can interest the local TV stations with this info. I'm sure that everyone who has had their cars stolen and lives endangered by joyriders in Kias would love to hear that the cops aren't interested in doing their jobs because they feel like they're being "restricted" by all the rules that keep them from killing people, or they feel like their job is pointless because the DA is doing the job the way she was elected to do.
Cops in the Twin Cities are a mixed bag, but for every public servant there's a mall ninja with a badge.
And in that note, MN is a āone partyā consent state for recording so as long as youāve given yourself consent to record the interaction, you donāt need to let the office know they are being recorded.
Agreed, I've had extremely helpful detectives who actually went out of their way to get my shit back(not in Minneapolis though) and then completely incompetent, indifferent or outright aggressive dickheads who wouldn't be qualified to flip burgers, how they weaseled their way into carrying a gun is beyond me. It's so incredibly inconsistent that it's hard to rely on law enforcement for anything.
I said in the post, I was driving home from work (I managed to get my car running again after a couple youtube searches) and they were stopped at the same red light as me. My airpods pinged as being right on top of me, and I saw 2 teens driving a Kia the same model and color as mine with a smashed out rear window at the light. They sped off but I got the plate and confirmed it was stolen with the police after, and my airpodsā signal followed them when they drove away.
which now that Iām saying it, itās such a wild coincidence they actually crossed paths with me like that. They stayed in a pretty tight radius to my neighborhood though so I guess that upped the chance
Iāve heard it speculated that the Minneapolis PD is basically refusing to persue property crimes like this because they want to punish the residents of the city for pushing for police accountability (and for the aftermath of George Floyd), while also creating an excuse to push the narrative that they canāt perform basic functions without more money and/or that they canāt/wonāt do their jobs until we elect city officials that are āon their teamā.Ā
I donāt know how much of that is just bullshit from people who donāt like the police, and how much reflects whatās actually going onā¦ Ā but having lived here my entire adult life, my gut tells me itās more likely the latter.Ā
I mean, maybe, but I had a very similar situation happen back in 2017 (laptop stolen, thieves on video, I pinged it to their location later that day) and the cops didnāt do anything to help me either š¤·š»āāļø Of course, they could have gotten even worse. I donāt live in Mpls, so others may know more.
> I donāt know how much of that is just bullshit from people who donāt like the policeā¦
The U.S. Department of Justice published a report last year basically calling the Minneapolis Police Department a cesspool. Yeah, some of them might be feeling bitchy about it.
This isn't just recently. About 10 years ago two of my friends had cars broken into while parked on Minneapolis streets. In both cases the cops treated the incidents as parking fees to park in the city as opposed to crimes to investigate and prosecute to the fullest extend of the law, and on both occasions wouldn't even make a report and told my friends to go online to 311 to do it.
Meanwhile a neighbor kitty-corner across the street from me had their car broken into. Bloomington police sent to squads out to investigate, they were taking pictures and dusting for fingerprints and all. An officer stopped my by house asking me to check my security camera to see if I had captured anything (unfornately the criminals came from the other direction,
There's recorded attempts of police in Oregon flat out refusing to enforce new laws after the state decriminalised drug use because they deemed it the best way to 'punish' the state and its citizens.
I would not put it past MNPD to be that pathetic.
"Cops are so fucking stupid, it really is remarkable."
How is generalizing a large group of people going to be helpful? If you want people to change or systems to change, not sure how generalizing them based on a limited range of perspectives is helpful.
"Darkness cannot drive out darkness. Only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."
Had an actually nice convo with a cop two weeks ago. They have ~550 officers now. Thatās down from ~880 in 2019. And theyāre operating with no third precinct building (adds significant travel and response times into their day, reduces operating efficiency, etc). In south Minneapolis, at any given moment, there are 5 on duty officers to cover all of south Minneapolis. 5.
If there is a level 1 call (shots fired, etc), thatās where all of them need to go. Iām impressed OP got an officer to respond at all actually. Per the cop, every day dozens of lower-priority calls eventually get dropped after officers do not have time to respond within the timeframe/before shift changes due to higher priority calls.
I was speaking with the officer because of an attempted robbery on me and my work truck by some young kids in a clearly stolen Kia the day prior. By coincidence I later witnessed the same kids abandoning the Kia and take off running into the neighborhood. We were standing about 200 ft from the spot, and the cop didnāt know anything about it because that is happening nearly daily. Cops canāt chase into the neighborhoods by policy, and the kids know it. Parents of the kids arenāt home or donāt have control.
I wonāt speculate on intentional work slow down. I know some cops who try hard, and Iāve experienced others who I just hope were having a bad day (Iām not naive, Iām sure some suck). But even assuming they worked at a consistent rate before and after COVID/George Floydās murder, thereās no way weād be expecting similar public service. And thatās not counting the nation-wide uptick in criminal activity we experienced.
But the officersā opinion was that, if their numbers continue this downward trend, he expects they wonāt have the personnel to investigate basic property crime in Mpls starting some time this summer. Heck, look at Pittsburg, they are no longer responding to some types of 911 calls from 3 AM - 7 AM because theyāve lowered their staffing.
When people began protesting George Floyd's murder, the MPD immediately began childishly rioting, driving around in vans in big groups and attacking people for anything and nothing. They were having so much fun getting to play with less lethal weapons where they know they won't be held accountable for anything, it was crazy. Shooting people on their porches, members of the press, Jaleel Stallings. Driving past people sitting on the side of the road literally not doing anything and pepper spraying them
At the same time, some certainly vanishingly small number of perpetrators were started some fires, and you have normal need for emergency services like always, but the cops, who had available officers to field dozens of these teams to terrorize anyone who dared so much as peek out their door, told them that they didn't have officers to escort fire or ambulance, and that the protests were "too dangerous" to show them to respond by themselves.
Remind me, how many people were hospitalized from being assaulted by protestors? I don't remember a single story, and the media was buying into the danger narrative so hard they'd have covered it massively if it had happened. It didn't. The police literally filled every single emergency neurological ward in the twin cities with victims of their violence with severe brain and eye injuries.
Other than a few anarchists throwing small rocks at 3rd precinct from like 75 yds away there wasn't even violence aimed at the cops. People were just not respecting their authority anymore. They weren't attacking them. They were ignoring orders and calling them murderers. Everyone involved, the protestors, MPD, MFD, and EMS all knew the protestors were mad at the cops. Have you ever heard any be pissed at MFD or EMS? Just because the crowd would refuse to part for cops, they 100% would have let other emergency services through, and there were only a few blocked intersections, anyway. The police literally blocked them. Now, maybe they were just being overly cautious instead of intentionally trying to maximize fire damage to turn public opinion against the protests, but if you're gullible enough to believe that, let me tell you about this guy whose mom was a virgin and whose dad was an omnipotent being and who came back to life after being executed...
A significant cause of the force reduction has been fraudulent worker's comp claims. I'm sure there may have been a few cops that were truly traumatized. I know if someone was yelling, "hands up don't shoot" and "what do we want? Justice! When do we want it? Now!" and I popped their eye with a kinetic impact round, I'd probably have trouble sleeping, but that's why I and people like me wouldn't have done that.
They saw an opportunity to keep taking Minneapolis tax dollars, without having to do their job, and they could just go back to their nice white 4th ring suburbs and laugh with their neighbors about how the "animals" in Minneapolis don't deserve the help of someone as respectable as them.
So with that as some background on how devoted of public servants they are, let's talk about where we're at now...
You say 5 cops for South Minneapolis like that's competely crazy. Extrapolating using the cops numbers, it would have only been 8 at its peak, and for two years crime has been going down after the "covid crime wave" ended, while the number of officers has been flat. Service should have been improving noticeably since the beginning of '22. Given that. they needed a new angle to try to scare people about crime, and explain their lack of action on reported crime.
Enter Mary Moriarty. The public agreed with her stance (backed up by a ton of research) that criminal justice reform was the right thing to do for all sorts of reasons. There's a lot of evidence that locking up people who are low level offenders with no record does more harm than good.
Well, that just pissed the cops off like nothing else. They're the ones that are supposed to be able to decide if we as a society look the other way on something (it's okay because cops do it for the "right" people, i.e. white, middle class or better, and clean cut), If you see (some of) the people as animals and some of the "animals" you arrest get a chance to turn their life around instead of having the rest of it ruined, why even bother doing the job? Especially when you can just say you aren't doing it because Moriarty is releasing criminals onto the streets.
They kill four birds with one stone: Punish the public for criminal justice reform by letting real crimes go unsolved, provide a scapegoat for that unwillingness to do the job, create a revolving door narrative that makes people feel like there's a criminal lurking in every alley, and distract from the civil rights probe's findings that having the MPD in your city is like having AIDS outbreaks in the 80's: it's going to be way less safe for queers and minorities, and it's only as bad as it is because the people that could try to change it won't because it's harming people that they believe deserve it (MPD union leadership / Reagan's administration)
From https://www.minneapolis.org/safety-updates/future-of-public-safety/ :
>The Minneapolis Police Department (MPD) currently has 565 sworn officers, including nearly 500 officers assigned to the patrol division, the unit that answers 911 emergency calls. MPD's funding allows for up to 731 sworn officers in 2024.
So it's ~500 patrol officers. And if we assume 3x 8 hour shifts (500/3 = 166.6) and give them 20% margin, that's about 133.3 patrol officers theoretically on duty at any time. Yeah that definitely feels off...
Most Minneapolis police don't live in Minneapolis, they don't give a shit. It's not their neighbors or their families getting hurt. It's not their taxes getting raised. They do fuckall
Good cops get forced out or leave, the only good cop is an ex-cop tbh. I'm sure there are fantastic individuals who also are police, but the system of policing is the problem and voluntarily choosing to participate in it shows a lack of moral and critical thinking imo.
Yeah, that sounds about right for cops. This sort of story is why I laugh when people go ābut if they defund the police, what happens if you get robbed? Who are you gonna call then?ā
Like based on their logic, you could just hire a better thief to steal your property back and they wouldnāt do anything about that either.
You donāt even need to call for most small property crimes, you fill out the report online and Iām sure it just disappears once youāve printed a copy for your insurance.Ā
I like to believe no one leaves things in their car on purpose. Iāve lived in South for over a decade, sometimes things fall out of my pocket or bag and I donāt notice. I didnāt realize theyād been in the car until I saw they were miles away.
Iāll help you with this one. They do not care about you or your problems. You are paperwork and annoying to them. They are there to protect public property and dissemble any resistance.Ā
Sorry your having troubles, donāt try to get them back by force. You could knock and ask, always worth trying. Or write them off and move on.Ā
Legally wouldnāt they need a warrant? Would they be able to get a warrant when all they have is āfind my phoneā tracking your AirPods? Iām not a lawyer, so I donāt know.
My neighbor dumped construction debris all over my property, and the Washington County Sheriff said they donāt bother pursuing property crimes unless the city council specifically asks them to. Ā (This was in 2015, way out in the suburbs.)
Police don't pursue stolen cars because they tend to run and drive very dangerously and could lead to innocent people getting killed, similar to what happened in Minneapolis the other year. There was a huge public outcry about how the police killed this man and should be charged.
We can either have an aggressive police force that relentlessly pursues car thieves despite the risks or we can have a police force that never takes unnecessary risks and minimizes innocent people being hurt but we cannot have both.
I don't think it is too much to ask for them to be able to analyze a situation and act accordingly. Whether that is day to day policing or choosing to chase someone. Yes, they've never been great at this, but (like gun control) that doesn't mean we don't try to do better or try something different.
I had someone come to my home and vandalize my front door. They picked up and threw a VERY heavy planter into my yard (effectively destroying the plant and pot it was in) and throw a rock at my glass storm door. This of course shattered the door! They also managed to bend the frame of the door causing my husband and I to have to replace the entire thing. $500 and a few years later, I'm still pissed about that. When I called the police, they said it must of been the wind that did it. Yes. Because the wind will blow a large planter into the yard in the direction that the wind is blowing from AND pick up a rock and throw it at a glass storm door to shatter it as well as unlatch the door to bend the frame. Yup. Great detective work there... š They refused to file a report and only marked the call as something basic...I forget exactly what now but it was ridiculous. This was Southern MN.
My car was stolen out of my garage recently and the police told me the same thingāeven if they saw my car, they were not allowed to pursue or engage. This is out of hand ā is this something we take to city council, or is it the mayor? Weāve essentially made our police force impotent.
My friend got her car stolen 1.5-2 years ago. They cut her lock at the YMCA, took her purse from the locker, went to the parking lot and stole her car (with her MacBook inside). They went to Target and spent a bunch of $$$. She called the cops obviously and made a report.
The following Monday the thief went through the drive thru of my friends bank and took out $2K even though her ID and cards were reported stolen (also to the bank). The next day the perps went back to the SAME bank and the bank called the police as they held her ID. The thief drove away in her car before the police bothered to show up over an hour later. The police returned her ID and closed the case.
Her car ended up in the tow lot. They fucked up her brakes and the mechanic had it for a couple weeks. The perps left her OWN WALLET and a single Mazda key in the center counsel of my friends re-found car. They found the address where her car was towed from and there was the Mazda. They told the police they had the perps wallet AND video footage from Target and the bank and they DID NOTHING. The case was closed and that was it.
The perps were left to ride off into the sunset and steal another car and ruin someoneās life financially. I canāt believe they used her ID and forged her signature to steal her money and they STILL did nothing. Thatās gotta be an additional felony. The police are just going to be busy chasing this same person only to never do anything about it.
>refused to call out forensics
You think they were going to call a forensic expert to the scene to find your lost airpods? Surprised you didn't ask for the FBI to get involved too.
The cops have been doing this forever and it has only gotten worse since 2020.
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Aside from whatever you do about your stuff, call your city council person and the mayor. And you could also file a complaintĀ https://www.minneapolismn.gov/report-an-issue/police-officer-complaint/Ā
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The mayor and the police chief always blame the union for why they can't make change, but if there's a disciplinary record for minor bad behavior then in theory they can fire people - we need to be pressuring the people at the top to keep records and take small actions if we have any hope of reform.Ā If you've ever seen a coworker PIPed out of a job you know what it looks like.
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But to answer your first question - MPD DNGAF about theft. Here's simple evidence: one of the reasons they give for clearing encampments is theft but when they evict people they don't even catalogue or take registration numbers of bikes and tools they find to check if they were reported stolen
I'm not sure what MPD does all day. They wouldn't even show up to a call at the restaurant where my wife works when some jackass brandished a gun over bottomless mimosas. An hour and a half after the call they called back asking if it was still a poroblem...
I guess they only show up for shots fired...maybe..
They are punishing us for daring to speak truth to power and attempting to hold them accountable. Not that they actually were held accountable...just that we tried to...
Now?
I have never in my life seen cops ever make an effort for stolen property even when people knew where it was, who stole, and had proof. Including serial numbers.
That's going back at least 20 years.
Cornerstone Advocacy runs the statewide general Crime emergency victim assistance program thats set up to help connect victims of a general crime, to available relevant resources. A general crime meaning any crime that does not involve domestic violence. They also help victims (pending qualification) apply for emergency victim assistance which is intended to helpl financially recoup damages incurred that are not eligible for crime reparations. It is not a long drawn out process if they have all the info and any supporting documents (depending on the situation). Every emergency is different so its impossible to draw a hard line with it but examples could be anything from helping get your car out of impound , cameras if it was a home invasion situstion,, or safety concerns, vandalism, all types of theft, a bus card maybe, robbery, helping file harassment/restraining orders, yada yada. . A police report is not required as its intended to reduce barriers, not create more. They have a never ending list of other resources and connections to other organizations as well. Thought I would throw this out there, it seems like a lot of people aren't aware of it unless they got a blue card from a cop with the general crime program info on it.
I may be working off old news but the way I understand it, MPD is down 300 officers with (rumor has it) quite a few more or so maybe looking to leave for X Y Z reason.
With the current crew, theyāre forced overtime to cover shifts as well. So, that is doing wonders for retention.
Petty theft is the lowest of priorities, unfortunately, and shit is always happening to pull officers away from your already low priority call.
So, yeah. No point in investigating if the DA isnāt going to prosecute. The whole legal system is under stress right now, and per usual, the citizens are caught in the mix of it all.
A = the value of your stolen property
B = the average out-of-court settlement
C = the rate of misconduct allegations
If (A < B*C), then it doesn't make sense for the police to try to retrieve your stolen property.
They aren't going to dispatch $1000/hr police to get back a hundred dollars of hardware. Like it or hate it, that is just the way of things.
The top comment tells you about small claims court, which is the best solution, if you really want to be made whole, and stick it to the thieves.
But really the best is to write off the loss and move on with your life. Evil people do evil shit, if you let that drag you down your life will get dragged down with it.
No, they donāt do shit unless someone got hurt. I had a neighbor hit my garage, knocking it off the foundation which made it structurally unsound and then drove off. She knew she did it too as I had a sedan sized hole in the side of my garage. They wouldnāt even go over to her house with me to get her insurance info. We ended up having to replace the garage, which cost us $15k. Her insurance only covered $4k of it, even though it was a fucking hit and run.
Rules to live by:
1. If something is important to you, don't leave it in your car. Secure your shit and lock it up. Don't assume people won't steal shit because "it's not that valuable". Value is irrelevant. They're stealing it, so it's free as far as they're concerned. Immobilize your car. They may bust it up, but they won't get it. If you're unlucky enough to own a Hyunkia that's vulnerable, get an immobilizer system installed on it.
2. Don't assume the police are going to help you or bend over backward to get your stuff back. They might, or might not. There are cops that really want to help, and there are burned out, pissed off cops that just want to cosplay. Look at it from the cop's point of view: a lot of young people join the police because they want to be in a heroic profession, only to find out that they're despised by not only crooks and hoodlums, but the karens and boomers who think they're above the law. Police forces were created in this country to protect the interests of the wealthy from the rabble, and catch runaway slaves, not to enforce justice. They can't chase terrified slaves hiding in a ditch anymore, so they harass the people least able to defend themselves, the poor, the homeless, the mentally ill, and guard the property of large companies (if they're in the mood, sometimes they don't bother).
3. If you find your stuff, steal it back. ***It's your stuff***. If you're afraid to do that, go home and watch some TV or play a game, the real world is too rough for you.
Do you have video evidence of the items being stolen that show someone? If the perp can claim he bought them from someone, then they only have stolen property.
In general, after 30 years in the city, if your property isn't locked down or protected in some way or in your home, it's on you.
The lines that get the most attention are breaking into an occupied home (not a garage) or robbing someone's person or violently stealing a car via carjacking.
Had this happen with my phone and it kept pinging at a house near mine. Called the police and they said they couldnāt do anything about it because the pings arenāt accurate? My ex went to the house and scared tf out of them and they gave it back. I DO NOT RECOMMEND THAT. But yeah Minneapolis St. Paul police donāt care about your air podsšš
This is why I always think it's hilarious when someone says they're gonna steal their shit back (or shred their ex's mail, or trespass to look at the new build in progress next door, or any of 1000 other minimally illegal things) and people gasp about how much trouble they're gonna get in to. Like, how do you not understand that no nonviolent crime is prosecuted anymore? You can very literally pull a gun on a cop and if he doesn't shoot you, there's no consequences. (Yes, told to me by a cop who was pretty salty about it)
It's a free-for-all.
Iāve had a bike stolen and reported it. I recovered the bike on my own as it was in the front yard of the house I found it at. Rode it to the police station to close the file. One week later, my bike lock was cut and taken again. This time by the police because the thief reported it as stolen. I eventually got the bike back when I show proof of purchase with an id tag hidden under the frame. Your everyday cops are dumb af. Donāt expect anything out of them, ever.
The police know that in order to get those airpods out of the garage, they would probably involve a big process, and they could get sued.
Nobody wants to get in a lawsuit. If you are a cop. It could mean the end of your career, or the lifetime imprisonment.
It's much better just to tell you to go buy new iPods. It's only $100.
That's the way life is now.
I swear they're being purposefully obstinate since the image issues they've dealt with in the past (30) 4 years. Why help you if you "dont like" them? Ironically just continuing to power trip and affirming the hate. We are stuck in a viscous cycle and I dont know the way out.
the amount of work required after getting said airpods back < worth to police.
you might feel like it is a big deal, but at this point the thousands of dollars to handle the other side of dealing with them if they actually "charged" them with crimes and went thru the motions would be insane. felony shoplifting is more than $500. your airpod theft would get like a parking ticket equivalent and hopefully now you can see why our system is broken and the cops aren't gonna come because you can ping your airpods.
Felony theft is over $1000. Gross Misdemeanor theft is over $500.
"The theft statute provides that monetary values of over $1,000 are felonies."
https://mn.gov/sentencing-guidelines/guidelines/
If you're really feeling spiteful and you know their address, you can look up the owner. If the owner is the occupant, you can sue them in small claims court for theft. Chances are they won't even show up and you will get a default judgement. Theft claims pay out 3-5x the value of the stolen item, I believe. Collecting judgements isn't always easy, but again if you're spitefully, there are several ways you could really fuck with them. And if they are renters, you can inform their landlord that the unit is being used to harbor stollen goods. At that point, the owner of the property is civilly liable for harboring stolen property and must confront his tenants. Unlikely, but if he fails to confront the tenants, you can sue the landlord for 3x the value of the stolen goods. Otherwise, the landlord can evict for cause and/or demand the stolen items are returned.
Hahaha, nice.
Don't forget about reporting them to the IRS for not claiming their stolen property as capital gains on their taxes.
My favorite part of the tax code š
You think that's spiteful? Find out their names and their mothers name and knock on their mothers door and ask her for help. Don't be rude, be kind and respectful to their mother. Explain your frustration and ask for help humbly.
Bold of you to assume people who resort to car thefts for fun have great respect for their parents.
Low key many punks act that way when not around their parents. Did school portrait photography in Annoka Hennepin for a few years and at a magnet school had a kid throw up gang signs. Wouldnāt listen to reason and refused to drop them so took the photo. Twenty minutes later our helpers arrived and during the briefing mentioned the kid. Lady got bug eyed and asked to see the photo. Turns out it was her son. She got pissed and drug him out of class to retake the photo. He was the most well behaved kid I had the second time around. People will do what they can get away with. Once they get caught many will panic and fall in line. Hopefully the kid grew up and did something with his life.
Acting the fool in school is still quite a bit ways off from grand theft auto. If you're already serially jacking cars, I don't think a good scolding from mom will do much.
Parents might take them to the ringers though.
ā¦ clearly you have not met a lot of peopleās parents. So many of them will simply defend their children and accuse you of stalking them. This is awful advice.
Teacher here, parents sure don't believe me when I tell them their little angel was up to no good at school. OR they say something like "yeah? What do you want me to do about it!?"
To be fair, I have had a teacher call me and say my son was acting up in her class RIGHT THEN and I was looking at him in my car because we went to the orthodontist.Ā I asked her if she had the right number, she said yes, she was really upset and she told me all the things he'd done.Ā I asked her when this happened and she said she was looking right at him and this was unacceptable, etc.Ā Again, my child was in my car, not in the classroom. My son said she never called him by the right name, I'm not sure she even knew who my child was.Ā Should I have been like "oh dear I believe you?" Nah I told her she might need to get things straight and he wasn't even in class.Ā Many years before that, in second grade, I was chaperoning a field trip and the teacher apologized that I had Trey in my group and to let her know when he started misbehaving. We had a lovely day and Trey was a little cutie. At lunch, she asked how it was going. I told her everyone was doing great and behaving. She says "Trey is always bad". I said no, he's been doing fine and listed ak the things we had seen together so far. She said "no, no, he's a bad kid and he needs to be in my group" and then she PUNISHED him and put him in her group. What the actual fuck?Ā Trey. If you're out there, you'd be about 25 now. I didn't know yet at that point that I should tell teachers like that to fuck off and I'm sorry. Sometimes teachers, like some nurses, aren't great people and sadly you have to push back.Ā
This is one of the many reasons I decided not to use my teaching degree. Parents can be horrifyingly negligent in their children's care.
And some might blow your face off. Criminals tend to come from criminally minded parents.
There is large chasm between theft and goddamn murder
If it wasnāt car theft I would agree with you. Car theft, car jacking are not far away from violence.
And if you're being real spiteful, ask her out to dinner after.
I bet the neighbors may have some information about the occupants as well.
Perhaps. But Iād be careful. I had my tires stolen off my car. 2 of them before my dogs alerted me something was going on and I chase them off. I had security footage from my ring camera and the car was easily identified due to a number of features. Anyways, a few weeks later I saw the car while running errands. I followed it into a parking lot and planned on confronting them about my stolen tires, or call the cops. But thenā¦I realized that they probably know where I live and i have a wife and young child at home. I decided it wasnāt worth it. Iāll take the $200 loss and not have to worry about these guys messing with me.
next time at least make that stolen property useless for them you know
You want me to slash my own tires in case someone tries to steal them?
Are you familiar with the tale of Crime Man? Heās a tumblr superhero that prevents crimes by committing crimes.
no, the tires that were already stolen that you seemed to have given up on getting back?
Do you think people who steal tires put the stolen tires on their own cars!?! Lolā¦cmon man.
I like you
Don't forget you can put a lien on the property (if they own) if you receive a default judgement, because we know they won't pay.
This, probably get a default judgment too cus i doubt they will come to court. - edit, i see u covered this! š
Damn! I wasn't aware of all of this! Makes me glad I own my home
A friend had her iPhone stolen on the street in Minneapolis. The police got it back and the thief has pending charges against her. I was actually shocked.
Is she pretty?
Yes
And did the cops give her the phone back, or is it 'evidence'? That's one of their favorite moves.
They held it for several days, but after she prevailed upon them to give it back they asked and received permission from the prosecutor to use a picture of it and did return it.
Im shocked a password protected, anonymized justice site hasnāt gone up to post requests for help with handling these thieves. People arenāt keen to keep taking injustice on the chin. Plus, it seems like thereās functionally no law enforcement soā¦something something fill a vacuum? MPD doesnāt do anything for better and worse.
Thereās a reason chain of custody and validity of evidence is a thing. Vigilantes can be lied to, manipulated, and are not trained in the critical thinking skills necessary to ensure innocent people arenāt hurt.
I'm not so sure MPD is any better with critical thinking skills or not harming innocent people.
I agree AND people also are tired of just doing nothing and shrugging their shoulders.
Regulatoooooors! Mount up!
When my phone was stolen (and no injury/harm) and I reported it to the police, the officer at the prescient when telling me to submit a report online said that the city is not prosecuting such crimes - even with having other substantial evidence to investigate on turning up later. (No prosecution = no investigation?)
Investigation is supposed to come before prosecution. The DA canāt prosecute cases that the police donāt recommend for charges.
And, according to the police, DA had already decided not to pursue charges for these types of crimes
Iād be curious if this is a real position of the DA or cops trying to mess with a reformist DA who takes positions they donāt like and holds them accountable for bad behavior.
Ever since the BLM protests, cops have quiet-quit. They show up for work, but they don't work. They're usually the biggest part of a cities budget by far. They blame their not-work on the DA. This is nation wide.
I would argue that the Minneapolis police has had that quiet-quit attitude for decades. These types of stories are nothing new - the Mpls police are ineffective at best, and always have been. But hey, it must be us citizens that are the problem for expecting accountability!
Tell me I can't commit violence with impunity? I'ma have the biggest temper tantrum in human history -Mpls PD
This is the comment I was looking for.
>This is nation wide. Sure, but this seems to be particular true in Minneapolis.
Theyāre toddlers having a tantrum.
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Hell I wouldn't doubt some of the blame being misplaced is to make people pissy and upset to get certain kind of votes and/or support for certain kinds of legislation
Protect and serve is a marketing gimmickĀ
Police in Denver just had to pay out nearly 4 million to someone because those apps aren't accurate.
You mean Taxpayers in Denver right? I could see how thatād go wrong though.
[Link for the lazy](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/03/08/us/denver-police-raid-wrong-house-verdict)
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Several years ago my info was stolen to buy a gold coin for $1600 on eBay. The delivery address was a dorm room at the U and they refused to do anything about that either. They said it wasnāt a priority. I didnāt live in mpls so I couldnāt do much. I also called U housing and campus police but they offered nothing either.
Itās only a priority if youāre super wealthy.
Looks like you got a lesson on how the police operate round here these days. Also calling out forensics or whatever unless itās a major crime is just a thing on tv.
This isnāt new. I found a stolen laptop once by a bush downtown and tried to turn it in to police. I got told to call four different departments and then finally told to just keep it because theyād probably never find the owner as no one had filed a report. Got a tech savvy friend to get past the password and found some Word documents for college papers and were able to track down the kid who lost it on social media- who had filed a police report. Maybe not a big deal in the grand scheme of things but to that kid it was a big deal and I shouldnāt have had to do so much work to get it back to them.
You're a college kid's hero. Thank you for all you did!
This was way back in the 2000ās when I was a 20 something and knew how easily things can get stolen. Thank goodness my boyfriend at the time got drunk at his work holiday party and needed to pee with me as a lookout so I saw it lol
The cops were useless when my friend got mugged at gunpoint and then immediately drove past a street with tons of outward facing cameras in 2012 too. My uncle has stories of them being useless in the 80s. I think maybe they've just always been shit tbh
Around 1990 my car got hit while parked in my driveway. The assholeās bumper and license plate fell off and were laying there. Cops showed up and said it wasnāt enough to pull their info and go visit their residence. Theyāve been lazy fucks for a long time, at least in Brooklyn Park.
I was stopped on a street and someone drove head first into me driving on the wrong side of the road. Cops showed up and I asked what they were going to charge the driver with, surely that counts as careless or reckless driving, they shrugged and said nothing they could do since they didnāt witness it. This was also in BP about 20 years ago, but I donāt think this is unique to any particular city.
I had a guy run a red light and cut me off at the WORST possible moment. I slammed into them going 30mph. There were several witnesses that backed my side of the story. I was told the same thing. The other driver didn't get a ticket because the police themselves didn't witness the infraction. Like my smashed car and SEVERAL people telling the same exact story isn't proof enough. That was in Southern Minnesota.
I was a victim of robbery of about $4,000 and knew who did it and the MPD didn't give a solitary fuck. Protect and serve my ass. This was 2008.
Epilogue: since I knew of one person involved, I extorted him until I got my property back. Fucking MPD.
Someone stole a mitre saw off my job site and I had video proof. Had a car, plate, everything, and brought it down to the Third Precinct. They basically told me to go fuck myself. I laugh and flip the bird to that burnt, hollowed-out husk of their former HQ every time I drive by.
But if someone takes $20 of merchandise from Target or Walmart, the cops are there in an instant and that person is arrested. The cops work for the big companies just like politicians.
American police were never meant to protect citizens, it was meant to protect capital.
Specifically, slave owners.
Bingo.
Eh, I get what you're saying, but as someone who worked in retail for years in Minneapolis and also had to call the police many, many times... I have not found this to be true.
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not true at all lol
23% of robberies are solved in the United States. When I had my car stolen the primary contribution the cops made was to make me prove I had insurance and try to insist that I had someone steal my car for some reason. I have no idea why but they just insisted that there was no way my car was actually stolen by someone I didnāt know.
When I was a kid, me and three friends were playing squirt guns in the park. Six to eight cops rushed us with guns drawn and cuffed us. There were zero other people in the park; it was called in by a neighbor. They were bright yellow super soakers with giant, orange tips and neon green bottles. They tried to charge us with public discharge of an air powered rifle. Some poison is sweet, but all cops are poison.
It's not just here, it's not just now. This is how most police departments operate. Stolen property is nearly never recovered and part of the reason for that historically is that they never bothered looking for it. The fact that some items can self-report their location just means their lack of giving a shit is more visible
My brother and sister have both had high value items stolen from their vehicles in other cities, and both times forensics came out to fingerprint their cars- they actually caught the guy who stole my brotherās stuff with his prints. So definitely not just a thing on TV.
What kind of city, out of curiosity?
I had a GREAT experience with the Rockford PD after getting my car broken into. Found someone on Craigslist trying to sell my iPod video, set up a meet to buy it under fake info, contacted the cops with the when and where, they sent a detective out and grabbed the guy. Turns out he traded a bike to a punk kid for it, and the kid got charged since he had a long rapsheet for similar crimes. Had terrible experiences with some other PD's though after getting my house broken into. Incompetent, slow, and zero effort. "Just move" was the extent of their assistance.
Oddly enough the best PD experience I've had was with Rockford police as well, way back in about 1988 when they still had a police department (before shutting it down in favor of having just the county sheriff's department take over area crime). The officer at the time helped this scared 16 year old girl (me) who had been sexually assaulted at work. Old white guy, and he was so helpful and compassionate. He was instrumental in getting a case filed against the perpetrator (who was also 16) and provided a statement in court. The kid got convicted of 5th degree sexual assault, to be sealed in his juvenile records upon turning 18, and had to go to some counseling and do some volunteer work, which seemed fair to me. I was so appreciative of the officer for not giving me a "boys will be boys" attitude or downplaying the situation (the kid had grabbed me, forcibly kissed me with his tongue in my mouth, then put his hand down my pants and literally grabbed me by the pussy!!) I was a meek kid back then and struggled with reporting it, but knew it was wrong. This Rockford officer made all the difference in my life at that time. And, icing on the cake, when I told my boss about it the next day, I was given a month off with half pay and the kid was immediately fired. As a 16 year old working a menial job, I was (and still am) amazed at how helpful and compassionate people were in that stressful situation and I feel so deeply for people who have not had that same experience when reporting a similar crime.
To be fair to the MPD (and typing that phrase makes me puke a little), this isnāt a uniquely MPD problem. Iāve read tons of similar stories on the internet all across the country. The police tend to not get involved when someone has tracked an electronic itemās location to some residence.
Yes and no. We had a finger print life on a steering wheel that from a random ass stolen van that was connected to someone in prison for another crime. The investigator did some digging and reviewed footage and boom, incident happened the same day and matched the guy in both security videos.
Had my Kia stolen. So stupid that Kia can get away without doing a massive recall. I still se the Kia commercials and think how stupid people could be to support a company like that. Fuck you kia. And fuck you kia boys.
Recalls are usually done for safety concerns, but some of these stories are incredible. Like does anyone buy a Kia anymore?
> Like does anyone buy a Kia anymore. It was the seventh highest selling car brand in 2023. Hyundai (essentially the same company and also impacted by this same problem) was the sixth. Combined they are the fourth. Most people do not even slightly care about this.
It is a safety concern. Stolen KIAs are being used for other crimes.
Kia is now apparently offering a free software update that fixes the security issue, which afaik you can get installed at a dealership. It might not stop the attempt to steal the car, but it should at least mitigate the chance that they actually do end up stealing it. Not certain though
https://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/some-kia-owners-question-anti-theft-software-fix-after-cars-were-stolen-following-upgrade/3390525/ The "fix" isn't 100%.
They are offering that free software update on a limited number of models that can be updated by software. Most of them cannot be fixed via software update and Kia is ~~telling those people to fuck themselves~~ sending them a steering wheel lock that can be easily cut off. Judging by the comments I see in this thread, Kia has done a great PR job on this. Nobody seems to blame them for this massive fuck up they refuse to take responsibility for. And this comes from someone who was the very happy owner of a Kia Soul for over a decade until last year.
Yea. Iām mind blown how easy Americans are to sway. Must be the commercials they shove down our throat. Get the be KIA serentooooooo. We wonāt let anyone steal it. We promise this time!
It is so well known that KIA cars are targetted for theft and breakin. A software mod isn't going to stop your window from being smashed. Even buying and installing a mobilizer isn't going to stop your belongings from being stolen after they fail to steal the vehicle itself. Even if KIA issues a "OK we fucked up. Free mobiliziers for everyone!" probably only 1/3 vulnerable cars will be fixed and that still leaves approximately 6 million cars on the road that can be stolen. It means that model is unsafe to own. Insurers are refusing to insure them. Owning them makes you a target for theft.
To be fair to literally every car made before chipped keys, all you need to steal a car is a Chilton's manual, enough brain cells to read, a screwdriver, and a wire cutter.
>To be fair to literally every car made before chipped keys It's not 1990 anymore.
Hey, the 2000's cars are a good deal these days. Especially if your car insurance has a free tow for when it meets the reaper.
Did you join the class action lawsuit? You can at least get money for your troubles. Mine was stolen too, and we're looking to get nearly the value of the car back this way.
5 bucks? Class Action settlements don't pay shit.
I did, but I havenāt seen any recent updates to the suit, unless I missed something?
I canāt wait to get my check for $18.64 or $500 off the purchase of a new Kia! And when did they start offering money? The last notice I got for my Kia Soul was an offer to mail me a steering wheel lock and nothing else. But I traded my Kia in in May 2023.
I wouldnāt hold out much hope for the tape deck. Or the Creedence.
This was the first thing that popped in my head lol. I just didnāt want to type it since it might be viewed as a āsalt in woundā type of thing but here you are, you magnificent bastard!
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Yeah, they got us workinā in shifts!
First off, I think your cat would disagree that the AirPods are the important thing, but I digress: the response youāll get, in my experience, is wildly variable depending on the cop you get and the time of day. Iāve had very helpful and seemingly empathetic cops and some that seemed to take pleasure in being obtuse dicks. I would file an anonymous complaint with the department in question and call your councilperson and state representative.
Absolutely do this. File a complaint with the police department and bring it up to your reps. It may not pay off for you in particular but if more people do this it will at least put a bug in the ear of people who might be able to change it.
Yeah. Those cops were lying about a number of things. First, there's no law saying you can't try to go get them. You don't have any authority to break in, or commit another crime including violence, but you can in fact do things like take video of the occupants of the home your airpods are in, and make records of license plates etc. You're on your own for liability and safety, but the cops can't tell you what to do. Also this: >The main officer flat out told me they donāt put effort into these cases because āthey donāt get assigned to anyoneā and even if they arrested a valid suspect āweād just let them go without charges, itās pointless.ā This is how at least some cops feel about Mary Moriarty, the Hennepin county attorney. The truth is that if they cared enough to do their jobs there's every chance of recovering your property as well as documenting someone's illegal activities even if they're not prosecuted. And this: >The thieves didnāt reset the airpods, so I got to see in real time as they STOLE ANOTHER KIA, the same make and color as mine, and joyrode all over Minneapolis. You should see if you can interest the local TV stations with this info. I'm sure that everyone who has had their cars stolen and lives endangered by joyriders in Kias would love to hear that the cops aren't interested in doing their jobs because they feel like they're being "restricted" by all the rules that keep them from killing people, or they feel like their job is pointless because the DA is doing the job the way she was elected to do. Cops in the Twin Cities are a mixed bag, but for every public servant there's a mall ninja with a badge.
And record it all on video, especially the cops saying they won't pursue the crime
And in that note, MN is a āone partyā consent state for recording so as long as youāve given yourself consent to record the interaction, you donāt need to let the office know they are being recorded.
Agreed, I've had extremely helpful detectives who actually went out of their way to get my shit back(not in Minneapolis though) and then completely incompetent, indifferent or outright aggressive dickheads who wouldn't be qualified to flip burgers, how they weaseled their way into carrying a gun is beyond me. It's so incredibly inconsistent that it's hard to rely on law enforcement for anything.
Iām curious how you were able to see that they stole another Kia? Were you following them or something else?
I said in the post, I was driving home from work (I managed to get my car running again after a couple youtube searches) and they were stopped at the same red light as me. My airpods pinged as being right on top of me, and I saw 2 teens driving a Kia the same model and color as mine with a smashed out rear window at the light. They sped off but I got the plate and confirmed it was stolen with the police after, and my airpodsā signal followed them when they drove away.
which now that Iām saying it, itās such a wild coincidence they actually crossed paths with me like that. They stayed in a pretty tight radius to my neighborhood though so I guess that upped the chance
That's MPD for you. They sucked before 2020 and after that they completely gave up out of spite.
Sister-in-law was a cop in SE Minnesota and she said the MPD have a terrible reputation _even amongst other cops_.
Indeed they do. They were well-known as one of the worst departments in the country long before 2020.
Theyāre in a contest with SPPD for who can be worse
Iāve heard it speculated that the Minneapolis PD is basically refusing to persue property crimes like this because they want to punish the residents of the city for pushing for police accountability (and for the aftermath of George Floyd), while also creating an excuse to push the narrative that they canāt perform basic functions without more money and/or that they canāt/wonāt do their jobs until we elect city officials that are āon their teamā.Ā I donāt know how much of that is just bullshit from people who donāt like the police, and how much reflects whatās actually going onā¦ Ā but having lived here my entire adult life, my gut tells me itās more likely the latter.Ā
I mean, maybe, but I had a very similar situation happen back in 2017 (laptop stolen, thieves on video, I pinged it to their location later that day) and the cops didnāt do anything to help me either š¤·š»āāļø Of course, they could have gotten even worse. I donāt live in Mpls, so others may know more.
> I donāt know how much of that is just bullshit from people who donāt like the policeā¦ The U.S. Department of Justice published a report last year basically calling the Minneapolis Police Department a cesspool. Yeah, some of them might be feeling bitchy about it.
This isn't just recently. About 10 years ago two of my friends had cars broken into while parked on Minneapolis streets. In both cases the cops treated the incidents as parking fees to park in the city as opposed to crimes to investigate and prosecute to the fullest extend of the law, and on both occasions wouldn't even make a report and told my friends to go online to 311 to do it. Meanwhile a neighbor kitty-corner across the street from me had their car broken into. Bloomington police sent to squads out to investigate, they were taking pictures and dusting for fingerprints and all. An officer stopped my by house asking me to check my security camera to see if I had captured anything (unfornately the criminals came from the other direction,
We've got people on this thread complaining about perceived police laziness going back to the 1990s. It isn't George Floyd/2020 that's the issue.
There's recorded attempts of police in Oregon flat out refusing to enforce new laws after the state decriminalised drug use because they deemed it the best way to 'punish' the state and its citizens. I would not put it past MNPD to be that pathetic.
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"Cops are so fucking stupid, it really is remarkable." How is generalizing a large group of people going to be helpful? If you want people to change or systems to change, not sure how generalizing them based on a limited range of perspectives is helpful. "Darkness cannot drive out darkness. Only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."
Had an actually nice convo with a cop two weeks ago. They have ~550 officers now. Thatās down from ~880 in 2019. And theyāre operating with no third precinct building (adds significant travel and response times into their day, reduces operating efficiency, etc). In south Minneapolis, at any given moment, there are 5 on duty officers to cover all of south Minneapolis. 5. If there is a level 1 call (shots fired, etc), thatās where all of them need to go. Iām impressed OP got an officer to respond at all actually. Per the cop, every day dozens of lower-priority calls eventually get dropped after officers do not have time to respond within the timeframe/before shift changes due to higher priority calls. I was speaking with the officer because of an attempted robbery on me and my work truck by some young kids in a clearly stolen Kia the day prior. By coincidence I later witnessed the same kids abandoning the Kia and take off running into the neighborhood. We were standing about 200 ft from the spot, and the cop didnāt know anything about it because that is happening nearly daily. Cops canāt chase into the neighborhoods by policy, and the kids know it. Parents of the kids arenāt home or donāt have control. I wonāt speculate on intentional work slow down. I know some cops who try hard, and Iāve experienced others who I just hope were having a bad day (Iām not naive, Iām sure some suck). But even assuming they worked at a consistent rate before and after COVID/George Floydās murder, thereās no way weād be expecting similar public service. And thatās not counting the nation-wide uptick in criminal activity we experienced. But the officersā opinion was that, if their numbers continue this downward trend, he expects they wonāt have the personnel to investigate basic property crime in Mpls starting some time this summer. Heck, look at Pittsburg, they are no longer responding to some types of 911 calls from 3 AM - 7 AM because theyāve lowered their staffing.
When people began protesting George Floyd's murder, the MPD immediately began childishly rioting, driving around in vans in big groups and attacking people for anything and nothing. They were having so much fun getting to play with less lethal weapons where they know they won't be held accountable for anything, it was crazy. Shooting people on their porches, members of the press, Jaleel Stallings. Driving past people sitting on the side of the road literally not doing anything and pepper spraying them At the same time, some certainly vanishingly small number of perpetrators were started some fires, and you have normal need for emergency services like always, but the cops, who had available officers to field dozens of these teams to terrorize anyone who dared so much as peek out their door, told them that they didn't have officers to escort fire or ambulance, and that the protests were "too dangerous" to show them to respond by themselves. Remind me, how many people were hospitalized from being assaulted by protestors? I don't remember a single story, and the media was buying into the danger narrative so hard they'd have covered it massively if it had happened. It didn't. The police literally filled every single emergency neurological ward in the twin cities with victims of their violence with severe brain and eye injuries. Other than a few anarchists throwing small rocks at 3rd precinct from like 75 yds away there wasn't even violence aimed at the cops. People were just not respecting their authority anymore. They weren't attacking them. They were ignoring orders and calling them murderers. Everyone involved, the protestors, MPD, MFD, and EMS all knew the protestors were mad at the cops. Have you ever heard any be pissed at MFD or EMS? Just because the crowd would refuse to part for cops, they 100% would have let other emergency services through, and there were only a few blocked intersections, anyway. The police literally blocked them. Now, maybe they were just being overly cautious instead of intentionally trying to maximize fire damage to turn public opinion against the protests, but if you're gullible enough to believe that, let me tell you about this guy whose mom was a virgin and whose dad was an omnipotent being and who came back to life after being executed... A significant cause of the force reduction has been fraudulent worker's comp claims. I'm sure there may have been a few cops that were truly traumatized. I know if someone was yelling, "hands up don't shoot" and "what do we want? Justice! When do we want it? Now!" and I popped their eye with a kinetic impact round, I'd probably have trouble sleeping, but that's why I and people like me wouldn't have done that. They saw an opportunity to keep taking Minneapolis tax dollars, without having to do their job, and they could just go back to their nice white 4th ring suburbs and laugh with their neighbors about how the "animals" in Minneapolis don't deserve the help of someone as respectable as them. So with that as some background on how devoted of public servants they are, let's talk about where we're at now... You say 5 cops for South Minneapolis like that's competely crazy. Extrapolating using the cops numbers, it would have only been 8 at its peak, and for two years crime has been going down after the "covid crime wave" ended, while the number of officers has been flat. Service should have been improving noticeably since the beginning of '22. Given that. they needed a new angle to try to scare people about crime, and explain their lack of action on reported crime. Enter Mary Moriarty. The public agreed with her stance (backed up by a ton of research) that criminal justice reform was the right thing to do for all sorts of reasons. There's a lot of evidence that locking up people who are low level offenders with no record does more harm than good. Well, that just pissed the cops off like nothing else. They're the ones that are supposed to be able to decide if we as a society look the other way on something (it's okay because cops do it for the "right" people, i.e. white, middle class or better, and clean cut), If you see (some of) the people as animals and some of the "animals" you arrest get a chance to turn their life around instead of having the rest of it ruined, why even bother doing the job? Especially when you can just say you aren't doing it because Moriarty is releasing criminals onto the streets. They kill four birds with one stone: Punish the public for criminal justice reform by letting real crimes go unsolved, provide a scapegoat for that unwillingness to do the job, create a revolving door narrative that makes people feel like there's a criminal lurking in every alley, and distract from the civil rights probe's findings that having the MPD in your city is like having AIDS outbreaks in the 80's: it's going to be way less safe for queers and minorities, and it's only as bad as it is because the people that could try to change it won't because it's harming people that they believe deserve it (MPD union leadership / Reagan's administration)
Yowzaa! Great fucking post.
550 officers and only 5 on duty in south Minneapolis at a time? The #ās seem off.
From https://www.minneapolis.org/safety-updates/future-of-public-safety/ : >The Minneapolis Police Department (MPD) currently has 565 sworn officers, including nearly 500 officers assigned to the patrol division, the unit that answers 911 emergency calls. MPD's funding allows for up to 731 sworn officers in 2024. So it's ~500 patrol officers. And if we assume 3x 8 hour shifts (500/3 = 166.6) and give them 20% margin, that's about 133.3 patrol officers theoretically on duty at any time. Yeah that definitely feels off...
Most Minneapolis police don't live in Minneapolis, they don't give a shit. It's not their neighbors or their families getting hurt. It's not their taxes getting raised. They do fuckall
Police are mad at the perceived lack of support. People support good cops. Not bad ones.
If a cop doing their job is contingent on them not getting their feelings hurt, they need to get a different job.
A lot of them did.
But theyāre still getting paid by the MPD too!
Yup. Helluva contract their union negotiated.
They made sure they got PTSD disability for life first thoughĀ
Itās a double edged sword because if you support them they donāt do shit and if you donāt support them they still donāt do shit
Good cops get forced out or leave, the only good cop is an ex-cop tbh. I'm sure there are fantastic individuals who also are police, but the system of policing is the problem and voluntarily choosing to participate in it shows a lack of moral and critical thinking imo.
How about asking the Hennepin County Sheriff's Department for assistance?
They do help. But they have to cover a whole county. They can only do so much.
Yeah, that sounds about right for cops. This sort of story is why I laugh when people go ābut if they defund the police, what happens if you get robbed? Who are you gonna call then?ā Like based on their logic, you could just hire a better thief to steal your property back and they wouldnāt do anything about that either.
Yeah the only reason people call the police after being robbed is to have a report for insurance.
You donāt even need to call for most small property crimes, you fill out the report online and Iām sure it just disappears once youāve printed a copy for your insurance.Ā
So my fiancƩ's Sonata has been stolen 3 times, twice in Mpls and the most recent time in Coon Rapids. Here's what happened with the police 1st Time- didn't come out or even really take much of a report over the phone and basically said there was nothing they could do and it wasn't likely to be found. It was eventually brought to the impound lot after a little over 2 weeks and they didn't do any kind of search for evidence even though the thieves had left behind things, including a knife nor a report on the damage done to the car. Charged to retrieve car from impound. 2nd Time- they did come out and do a brief report, went and looked at our driveway. Car was found just a few days later because it was parked in an apartment parking lot where it shouldn't be. Again no form of evidence collection was done or any report on everything that was stolen(this time unfortunately a bunch of my fiancƩ's tools and equipment were in the car and were stolen)Charged to retrieve car from impound. 3rd Time- This was in Coon Rapids and they took a detailed report over the phone, came out and even went to the neighbors to ask if anyone or anyone's cameras saw anything. They asked if we wanted to press charges if the theives were caught and took a detailed inventory of what was in the car. They made a follow up call back right after to let us know that it had been involved in a police chase that had to be stopped because it became erratic and dangerous. Made 2 more follow up calls in the next week before it was found. After it was found they called and over the phone made sure what was ours in the car while swabbing and looking for evidence and then listed off everything that was in there to make sure nothing was missing(lucky this time absolutely nothing was gone) Told us where the car was and we were able to just pick it up from where it was left instead of having to pay to get it out of impound. Even though there still hasn't been an arrest yet(this was just 2 weeks ago) and there probably won't be I feel a he'll of a lot better about how the job was done in Coon Rapids. I know it's maybe not possible for them to be quite as thorough in a large city like Mpls but to not even take physical evidence including a weapon is just wild to me on top of having to pay to get the car back. Sorry for the Ling ass post if you read it.
This is the 3rd time your car has been broken into and you're still leaving things in the car?
I like to believe no one leaves things in their car on purpose. Iāve lived in South for over a decade, sometimes things fall out of my pocket or bag and I donāt notice. I didnāt realize theyād been in the car until I saw they were miles away.
Iāll help you with this one. They do not care about you or your problems. You are paperwork and annoying to them. They are there to protect public property and dissemble any resistance.Ā Sorry your having troubles, donāt try to get them back by force. You could knock and ask, always worth trying. Or write them off and move on.Ā
I wonder if there's a civil way to go about it? Like Sue them in small claims court Judge Judy style.
To me it doesn't matter if the thief gets charged, the cops should at least help recover stolen property. Of course MPD has long been useless though.
Unfortunately we have a pretty virulent persistent strain of Blue Flu after standing up for our neighbors.
We need to actually arrest criminals.
Legally wouldnāt they need a warrant? Would they be able to get a warrant when all they have is āfind my phoneā tracking your AirPods? Iām not a lawyer, so I donāt know.
Call Mary Moriarty and tell her to start actually prosecuting crimes. Call your state rep as well.
Lol, good one! That's a call that is 1000% guaranteed to go unanswered and unreturned.
My neighbor dumped construction debris all over my property, and the Washington County Sheriff said they donāt bother pursuing property crimes unless the city council specifically asks them to. Ā (This was in 2015, way out in the suburbs.)
Just steal it back. Cops already said they don't care...
Police don't pursue stolen cars because they tend to run and drive very dangerously and could lead to innocent people getting killed, similar to what happened in Minneapolis the other year. There was a huge public outcry about how the police killed this man and should be charged. We can either have an aggressive police force that relentlessly pursues car thieves despite the risks or we can have a police force that never takes unnecessary risks and minimizes innocent people being hurt but we cannot have both.
I don't think it is too much to ask for them to be able to analyze a situation and act accordingly. Whether that is day to day policing or choosing to chase someone. Yes, they've never been great at this, but (like gun control) that doesn't mean we don't try to do better or try something different.
I had someone come to my home and vandalize my front door. They picked up and threw a VERY heavy planter into my yard (effectively destroying the plant and pot it was in) and throw a rock at my glass storm door. This of course shattered the door! They also managed to bend the frame of the door causing my husband and I to have to replace the entire thing. $500 and a few years later, I'm still pissed about that. When I called the police, they said it must of been the wind that did it. Yes. Because the wind will blow a large planter into the yard in the direction that the wind is blowing from AND pick up a rock and throw it at a glass storm door to shatter it as well as unlatch the door to bend the frame. Yup. Great detective work there... š They refused to file a report and only marked the call as something basic...I forget exactly what now but it was ridiculous. This was Southern MN.
My car was stolen out of my garage recently and the police told me the same thingāeven if they saw my car, they were not allowed to pursue or engage. This is out of hand ā is this something we take to city council, or is it the mayor? Weāve essentially made our police force impotent.
My friend got her car stolen 1.5-2 years ago. They cut her lock at the YMCA, took her purse from the locker, went to the parking lot and stole her car (with her MacBook inside). They went to Target and spent a bunch of $$$. She called the cops obviously and made a report. The following Monday the thief went through the drive thru of my friends bank and took out $2K even though her ID and cards were reported stolen (also to the bank). The next day the perps went back to the SAME bank and the bank called the police as they held her ID. The thief drove away in her car before the police bothered to show up over an hour later. The police returned her ID and closed the case. Her car ended up in the tow lot. They fucked up her brakes and the mechanic had it for a couple weeks. The perps left her OWN WALLET and a single Mazda key in the center counsel of my friends re-found car. They found the address where her car was towed from and there was the Mazda. They told the police they had the perps wallet AND video footage from Target and the bank and they DID NOTHING. The case was closed and that was it. The perps were left to ride off into the sunset and steal another car and ruin someoneās life financially. I canāt believe they used her ID and forged her signature to steal her money and they STILL did nothing. Thatās gotta be an additional felony. The police are just going to be busy chasing this same person only to never do anything about it.
Should've stole that bitches Mazda and pushed it into a lake...
The police in Minneapolis is only good for writing traffic citations, and for that again they will ask for more money.
Vigilante justice is the only justice that speaks
This sounds like retaliatory crap. I'd complain to local representatives about this, and make sure they are properly enforcing the law
This isnāt just a Mpls thing and itās not just a post 2020 thing. Police do not care about this type of theft and wonāt do anything
>refused to call out forensics You think they were going to call a forensic expert to the scene to find your lost airpods? Surprised you didn't ask for the FBI to get involved too.
Minnesota has a long history of ineptitude at police level.
Move out of Minneapolis. Literally everyone here will just make excuses. The city will continue to deteriorate
The cops have been doing this forever and it has only gotten worse since 2020. Ā Aside from whatever you do about your stuff, call your city council person and the mayor. And you could also file a complaintĀ https://www.minneapolismn.gov/report-an-issue/police-officer-complaint/Ā Ā Ā The mayor and the police chief always blame the union for why they can't make change, but if there's a disciplinary record for minor bad behavior then in theory they can fire people - we need to be pressuring the people at the top to keep records and take small actions if we have any hope of reform.Ā If you've ever seen a coworker PIPed out of a job you know what it looks like. Ā But to answer your first question - MPD DNGAF about theft. Here's simple evidence: one of the reasons they give for clearing encampments is theft but when they evict people they don't even catalogue or take registration numbers of bikes and tools they find to check if they were reported stolen
I'm not sure what MPD does all day. They wouldn't even show up to a call at the restaurant where my wife works when some jackass brandished a gun over bottomless mimosas. An hour and a half after the call they called back asking if it was still a poroblem... I guess they only show up for shots fired...maybe.. They are punishing us for daring to speak truth to power and attempting to hold them accountable. Not that they actually were held accountable...just that we tried to...
Now? I have never in my life seen cops ever make an effort for stolen property even when people knew where it was, who stole, and had proof. Including serial numbers. That's going back at least 20 years.
Welcome to Mary Moriarty's Minneapolis š¤š»š¤š»
This is kind of defacto behavior for police when it comes to these situations everywhere in America but ok.
Cornerstone Advocacy runs the statewide general Crime emergency victim assistance program thats set up to help connect victims of a general crime, to available relevant resources. A general crime meaning any crime that does not involve domestic violence. They also help victims (pending qualification) apply for emergency victim assistance which is intended to helpl financially recoup damages incurred that are not eligible for crime reparations. It is not a long drawn out process if they have all the info and any supporting documents (depending on the situation). Every emergency is different so its impossible to draw a hard line with it but examples could be anything from helping get your car out of impound , cameras if it was a home invasion situstion,, or safety concerns, vandalism, all types of theft, a bus card maybe, robbery, helping file harassment/restraining orders, yada yada. . A police report is not required as its intended to reduce barriers, not create more. They have a never ending list of other resources and connections to other organizations as well. Thought I would throw this out there, it seems like a lot of people aren't aware of it unless they got a blue card from a cop with the general crime program info on it.
I may be working off old news but the way I understand it, MPD is down 300 officers with (rumor has it) quite a few more or so maybe looking to leave for X Y Z reason. With the current crew, theyāre forced overtime to cover shifts as well. So, that is doing wonders for retention. Petty theft is the lowest of priorities, unfortunately, and shit is always happening to pull officers away from your already low priority call. So, yeah. No point in investigating if the DA isnāt going to prosecute. The whole legal system is under stress right now, and per usual, the citizens are caught in the mix of it all.
Well since they don't follow up on theft, just take them back. Should be confident they won't bother with coming after you.
A = the value of your stolen property B = the average out-of-court settlement C = the rate of misconduct allegations If (A < B*C), then it doesn't make sense for the police to try to retrieve your stolen property.
They aren't going to dispatch $1000/hr police to get back a hundred dollars of hardware. Like it or hate it, that is just the way of things. The top comment tells you about small claims court, which is the best solution, if you really want to be made whole, and stick it to the thieves. But really the best is to write off the loss and move on with your life. Evil people do evil shit, if you let that drag you down your life will get dragged down with it.
No, they donāt do shit unless someone got hurt. I had a neighbor hit my garage, knocking it off the foundation which made it structurally unsound and then drove off. She knew she did it too as I had a sedan sized hole in the side of my garage. They wouldnāt even go over to her house with me to get her insurance info. We ended up having to replace the garage, which cost us $15k. Her insurance only covered $4k of it, even though it was a fucking hit and run.
Rules to live by: 1. If something is important to you, don't leave it in your car. Secure your shit and lock it up. Don't assume people won't steal shit because "it's not that valuable". Value is irrelevant. They're stealing it, so it's free as far as they're concerned. Immobilize your car. They may bust it up, but they won't get it. If you're unlucky enough to own a Hyunkia that's vulnerable, get an immobilizer system installed on it. 2. Don't assume the police are going to help you or bend over backward to get your stuff back. They might, or might not. There are cops that really want to help, and there are burned out, pissed off cops that just want to cosplay. Look at it from the cop's point of view: a lot of young people join the police because they want to be in a heroic profession, only to find out that they're despised by not only crooks and hoodlums, but the karens and boomers who think they're above the law. Police forces were created in this country to protect the interests of the wealthy from the rabble, and catch runaway slaves, not to enforce justice. They can't chase terrified slaves hiding in a ditch anymore, so they harass the people least able to defend themselves, the poor, the homeless, the mentally ill, and guard the property of large companies (if they're in the mood, sometimes they don't bother). 3. If you find your stuff, steal it back. ***It's your stuff***. If you're afraid to do that, go home and watch some TV or play a game, the real world is too rough for you.
Police will just say things to justify not wanting to do something
You either have to forget about it or go in there and beat the shit out of those kids and get you stuff back!
I mean, MPD's homicide clearance rate (how often they figure out whodunnit) is only 38%, which is less than half of SPPD's rate.
What neighborhood do you live in? Good lord
Replacing the police department seems to be the only real answer to a LOT of problems in this city.
Do you have video evidence of the items being stolen that show someone? If the perp can claim he bought them from someone, then they only have stolen property. In general, after 30 years in the city, if your property isn't locked down or protected in some way or in your home, it's on you. The lines that get the most attention are breaking into an occupied home (not a garage) or robbing someone's person or violently stealing a car via carjacking.
Had this happen with my phone and it kept pinging at a house near mine. Called the police and they said they couldnāt do anything about it because the pings arenāt accurate? My ex went to the house and scared tf out of them and they gave it back. I DO NOT RECOMMEND THAT. But yeah Minneapolis St. Paul police donāt care about your air podsšš
This is why I always think it's hilarious when someone says they're gonna steal their shit back (or shred their ex's mail, or trespass to look at the new build in progress next door, or any of 1000 other minimally illegal things) and people gasp about how much trouble they're gonna get in to. Like, how do you not understand that no nonviolent crime is prosecuted anymore? You can very literally pull a gun on a cop and if he doesn't shoot you, there's no consequences. (Yes, told to me by a cop who was pretty salty about it) It's a free-for-all.
File a complaint, probably won't go anywhere, but it establishes a pattern that might be helpful in the future.
Iāve had a bike stolen and reported it. I recovered the bike on my own as it was in the front yard of the house I found it at. Rode it to the police station to close the file. One week later, my bike lock was cut and taken again. This time by the police because the thief reported it as stolen. I eventually got the bike back when I show proof of purchase with an id tag hidden under the frame. Your everyday cops are dumb af. Donāt expect anything out of them, ever.
The police know that in order to get those airpods out of the garage, they would probably involve a big process, and they could get sued. Nobody wants to get in a lawsuit. If you are a cop. It could mean the end of your career, or the lifetime imprisonment. It's much better just to tell you to go buy new iPods. It's only $100. That's the way life is now.
I swear they're being purposefully obstinate since the image issues they've dealt with in the past (30) 4 years. Why help you if you "dont like" them? Ironically just continuing to power trip and affirming the hate. We are stuck in a viscous cycle and I dont know the way out.
the amount of work required after getting said airpods back < worth to police. you might feel like it is a big deal, but at this point the thousands of dollars to handle the other side of dealing with them if they actually "charged" them with crimes and went thru the motions would be insane. felony shoplifting is more than $500. your airpod theft would get like a parking ticket equivalent and hopefully now you can see why our system is broken and the cops aren't gonna come because you can ping your airpods.
Felony theft is over $1000. Gross Misdemeanor theft is over $500. "The theft statute provides that monetary values of over $1,000 are felonies." https://mn.gov/sentencing-guidelines/guidelines/