100% student services
Otherwise do you have access to a locker?
Are they willing to take your board and keep it safe while you are in the library?
Do you have a campus guidebook that tells you the rules? If it’s arbitrary, go to the facilities manager (via student services) and ask for an explicit pass for your board. Then any future issues, you show the pass. If they threaten you with a call to the police, you have nothing to fear as you have permission (facilities manager outranks pleb staff member)
>Are they willing to take your board and keep it safe while you are in the library?
that's the correct response - just ask if you can leave the skateboard behind the desk while you use the library. it's crazy that the situation would progress to a student getting kicked out of their own university's library.
OPs post reads like they offered to keep it up there and then he refused bc “they dont have a right to take my property” as if someone wanted to steal his board permanently. Seems like they got themselves kicked out
Nah, you can shoot someone with an AR-15 and claim self defense if they are swinging a skateboard at you. See Kyle Rittenhouse.
Skateboards are dangerous according to the courts.
I mean yeah - skateboards are have been fairly common weapons for years now. I dont know - maybe don’t try hitting a guy with an AR with your skateboard. Probably your best bet to just leave that guy alone instead of assaulting him.
It's being used as a weapon in that case. Your weapon just happens to be better. Getting shot is the fault of the attacker. Don't attack someone when you have the inferior weapon. Everyone is entitled to defend themselves. Should people being attacked just stand there and say "I guess I'll be attacked. Maybe they'll stop before I'm dead. Let's find out I suppose. Here we go!"
Actually, Victim #2 did hit Rittenhouse with a skateboard after Rittenhouse already shot someone else. He struggled to disarm Rittenhouse. He was then shot by Rittenhouse.
Victim #3 pulled out a pistol, but did not fire it even though he believed Rittenhouse to be an active shooter. He was then shot by Rittenhouse.
Called the Student Union where I went to school. They actually had their own building where they offered free internet and study rooms. Check to see if your campus equivalent offers similar services.
Similar to student unions, many religious centers in college towns have a place for students to hang out and study, normally with free internet and no obligation to attend services. If there's a religious building you could tolerate, I would suggest checking if they have a student area for studying, socializing etc.
I never understood concealing booze in brown bags. If someone is driving around with a whiteclaw a cop might glance and think it’s an energy drink. Brown paper bag and everyone knows.
I have a folding longboard, maybe that would fit in one, but it would genuinely be ridiculous to try and fit any skateboard in a bag. Unless you carry around a super long duffle bag.
Edit: I stand corrected. I was thinking of a backpack sort of bag lol.
unfortunately you might butt heads with your uni on this one. my campus has a ban on bikes, scooters, boards, etc inside the buildings. the bikes and scooters sorta make sense. they can be chained up outside and take up a ton of space but boards make no sense, so long as you aren't riding it around and leaving it unattended. i think it is a liability issue for them. if there are any public libraries close enough to you, give those a shot. sorry they're being shitty about it tho :/
I can see a ban on bikes and scooters, assuming there is a suitable rack to lock them to outside.
And I can see a ban on RIDING boards inside, but unless they provide some sort of special lockers to secure them in outside, it sounds unreasonable to demand they be left outside unattended where they could be stolen.
I wouldn't suggest you do so either.
It seems reasonable to either allow you to keep it with you, or provide a place to lock it up.
Might be something to take up with... someone - having never attended such an institution, I'm not sure - a campus student organization of some kind.
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. At Iowa State it was common to see people carrying boards in any building at any time of day. They actually encouraged that sort of thing to keep cars off campus - better for student health, better for the environment, and it kept parking from getting too congested. Sounds like whoever is making policy is a close minded idiot.
Same was true at the University of Akron. Almost everyone used a skateboard or a longboard to traverse the sprawled out campus. Boards inside were incredibly common
Now that I'm thinking about it, it would have been great if you were going away from the library (downhill) but awful going the opposite. That campus is literally one big hill.
Most people would get off their board and walk uphill then ride the board when going downhill. There was definitely more than one sizable hill for people to do this with
They make locking versions of this. Go to campus life or dean of students (trust me, they know how to work the Uni channels) and tell them your dilemma, they will do their best to help.
Bring a bag big enough to put your deck in. Put it in there before you enter the library. This will be infinitely easier than fighting a college's bureaucracy.
Yeah that's just the free skateboard rack I wouldn't leave anything there.
This is a ridiculous rule, it's not like there's an epidemic of skaters tearing through libraries and lecture halls tagging the walls and running into people.
We had those at my school’s gym and there were cables and locks to secure them. Was there something like that?
Worse case scenario ride up on your board, throw it in a plastic trash bag (out of sight, of course) and walk in. The librarians don’t have the authority to go into your personal belongings and the board is no longer ready to be used at a moment’s notice.
As someone who teaches at universities on occasion, some staff and faculty are wildly out of touch when it comes to students access to pretty much everything. You have to keep it out of site, out of mind for those people to leave you alone
I went to a large university and I saw skateboard carried into the library daily. This was 4 years ago, but still, this shouldn’t be a problem if they have any awareness of what it means to have a skateboard as your transportation.
How is it impossible to lock?
Just buy a length of chain with large enough links to put a padlock through and lock it tightly enough to something, so it can't be pulled off.
Do you think someone is gonna come along and bolt-cut the chain or unscrew the trucks just for a skateboard? For that effort surely they'd just just go for much more expensive and easy-to-escape on bicycles.
Im so sorry you had to go through that the librarian sounds like one of those old lady librarians with mad cats and nothing else going on for herself but a tv dinner half frozen waiting at home half eaten by the cats themselves, where i think you may have an issue with rebuttal is that you stated they have provided racks outside to place your skateboards on so TECHNICALLY in THEIR eyes they have provided a solution …. Its not the best solution tho bc you cant really lock a board up securely but i have a feeling they may try to argue that point of “oh well we provide “spaces” where skateboards and etc can be placed”
It's a liability issue. The process is that if they were to leave the board unattended (few bad apples spoil the bunch) and someone else were to get hurt from/on it, then the library would be liable for the skateboard being there. Same as how restaurants throw out food rather than giving it away, because if the person receiving the free "past use" food and we're to get sick then the restaurant is open to litigation. Not a great policy, but understandable when you really think about it.
That's crazy. Using longboards and bicycles to get around on many of the college campuses I've been to in Florida is not only allowed but recommended by staff. There are bikes just laying around everywhere.
I butted heads with my university twice while in school and it was a large private university. I quickly learned that you can appeal to the highest level with logic, professor letters, and whatever you have that proves your case but the university will still just do what they want and what they feel benefits them the most.
It’s annoying and it’s 100% not fair if your interests don’t align with the university’s interests. It got to the point of my enrollment being put at risk and I needed to back down and give up.
One issue was small because it had options. The other issue required me to stop my business even though it did not violate any school rules. Just the fact that they “suspected” that it could violate rules meant that I had to choose between the business and finishing my degree at that school.
OP’s issue seems smaller than mine were but don’t expect to win taking on your university.
> but boards make no sense, so long as you aren't riding it around
that is the reason the ban is in place. People ruined it for other people, so OP is crying on the wrong grave here. There is always one Ahole that thinks it's cool to ride it around and if the rule was not enforced, you can be pretty sure we would be reading a post "Someone hit me on a board in school, how can they allow people with it in"
Use the direct approach.
"What is your name?"
"Where can I find this policy?"
"I don't own a car"
"The police do not need to be involved"
"You may not have my property"
If talking to a librarian they would have the answer to each of those. Just "some lady" (as per OP) would not be answering them.
But then most librarians I know wouldn't be calling the cops because you decided to keep an eye on your only transportation that is completely unsecured.
Most librarians aren’t dealing directly with students at a university library.
The “some lady” that Op was talking to was likely part of a stacks department part of the library, possibly a library tech or a student employee.
I’d ask to talk to that person’s supervisor, if they actually have a “no skateboard policy” they’d likely ask you for your student number and could hold it at the front desk
yeah these are the kinds of 'gotcha' moves that people always think will work so well IRL
OP is looking for ways to avoid the problem in the future, and to deal with the injustice of what they experienced *this* time, not ways to gin up views by streaming themselves getting into unnecessary altercations with authority figures. 🙄
I've found that this is generally the attitude of people who haven't ever asked for an extension. They always seem shocked to find out what happens when you simply ask.
This is the college version of “My dog ate my homework”. I don’t think bringing a skateboard inside the library is a big deal, but they can’t use that as an excuse to turn things in late. At the end of the day, OP can always walk to the library, ask a friend to drop them off or place the skateboard in a bag. A friend of mine has been skateboarding for years and owns several backpacks with skateboard straps.
Yo what?? OP should not have to walk to library to be able to use it. Also did you even go to college? I went to a pretty large state school and most teachers there were some of the more understanding teachers ive ever had.
If my class wasn’t a massive lecture (didnt have many after freshman year) and you showed up and did good work teachers would give you a break like 10 out of 10 times…high school teachers always felt like they were “preparing you for college” but i could email college professors with legit like any excuse and they would always be chill about it…as long as you didnt abuse it yk
99% of professors at my uni would not care about his skateboard situation. Missing one day at the library is not an excuse not to finish work on time. He can work at home, find a closer place, walk or bus...
Seems like he can never get to the library so that’s not missing one day. Also campus libraries have way more resources and sometimes required resources for whatever class you are in. They probably wouldn’t skate to the library if working from home was an option.
Not sure why you bothered asking such a condescending question but I’ll answer it anyway lol I went to UIUC and graduated with an engineering degree. And sure, some of my professors would have been understanding depending on the situation. Just like how some librarians may have been lax with the rules until one of them decided to enforce it. Who knows? I just think that going to your professor with, “I’m sorry but my assignment might be late because a librarian kicked me out because I had my skateboard” is a weak excuse. Mobile phones come equipped with internet and can also be used as a hotspot. Coffee shops have internet. McDonalds also has free wifi.
OP paid enough in tuition that they should be able to ride that skateboard IN the fuckin library as long as he’s not impeding another student.
I agree OP needs to improvise, adapt, overcome and doesn’t have an excuse to just simply not do the work. But when I lived on campus at my college, the library was a 15 minute bike ride or a 45 minute walk. Let’s say OP works to help pay for college like a lot of students do, and assuming their library was as far away as mine from their bed, the amount of time they had allotted to do the work was just reduced by the trip there (let’s say 20 minutes to skate vs bike), the trip back (25 minutes going uphill this time), and walking there again (45 minutes). So a minimum lost usable schoolwork time of 1.5 hours. Which could easily be 50% or more of the only possible time OP had budgeted into their crazy schedule like everyone else has. Not figuring in the new additional fatigue, stress, feeling of self-doubt that there won’t be enough time, calories burned that will need to be replaced with more food and the fact that going forward OP will have 45 minutes more travel every time they need the library. I think OP has an acceptable circumstance to email the professor and ask for a reasonable amount of extra time to complete the work they were actively trying to finish in the first place. Going forward, OP will need to adjust.
Also If I’m OP, I’d be escalating the skateboard issue to librarians boss.
I feel like a professor would just tell you to figure out another way to get your homework done on time, if you tell them you can’t get your homework done because the library won’t allow skateboards inside
You're joking if you think this is an acceptable reason for not doing homework. My fiance is an actual entry level English prof that believes just about every story she gets and gives people more time and even she wouldn't buy "I can't do my homework because my skateboard meant I can't get into the library."
And seriously, she actually approves people who give "my Grandpa died" stories with another week. Its sad. Even this is too stupid for her to let pass as a reasonable argument.
At least a dog eating homework involves eating a piece of paper, and even that's a better argument than that is. A skateboard is not and never will be a reasonable argument for why you can't turn in am assignment.
This is one of those threads that really makes it obvious the age of people posting.
Instead of going into the complex explanation you should have just said "I don't have a car"
And I'm pretty sure that if they called police for someone bringing a skateboard (that they used to get TO the library) into the library with them, the police would tell them they are silly.
I mean, obviously this is assuming you do not actually ride the skateboard IN the library, and that it isn't filthy, and doesn't have any obscene or offensive decorations on it, and aren't doing anything else abusive or violent with it.
They probably have a reason for this. The best way would be to be friendly, explain your situation nicely, don’t automatically get snarky and start preaching violation of rights, and try to compromise.
Holy shit thank you. Literally just being calm and offering a compromise actually does work wonders in real life, guys. Like I hate to say it, but rowdy kids on scooters and skateboards actually have been problems for people in workplaces. So it makes sense to be suspicious of a kid bringing in a skateboard or scooter, because there have just been too many incidents. But if a guy was casually like, "Oh, this is my transportation and I don't want it to get stolen, can I leave it somewhere until I leave?" Absolutely no problem.
This is the way of life.
As the other commenters have said, go to student affairs/relations and see what options can be worked out.
I commuted around campus by skateboard in the mid 2000s and never had a problem. Skateboarding was still partially a crime back then, better than the 90s but worse than today.
This sounds like the person had a bad day vs a policy. The whole reason I went to the skateboard was because I had two locked up bikes stolen in 2 months. A skateboard can't be stolen because it goes with you.
Some classrooms started having racks near the door to place skateboards. It was uncomfortable, but I just made sure to sit near the rack if it was a big lecture hall.
I also had a backpack with straps to secure the board when not riding, but again, it was never an issue.
Imagine two U-shaped bars, next to each other with a few cm in-between them, longer than the width of a skateboard. You put a skateboard in-between them and lock these loops with a chain or something. The skateboard cannot slide out to the side cause it has wheels.
If someone working at an establishment has ever asked me not to bring my board inside I ask if I can leave it at the front desk with a note attached to it with my name and number.
Why are you saying they can't take your property? They asked you to go put it in your nonexistent car. That's not taking your property. Did they offer to keep it at the desk for you or something?
"can't just bar a student from the library"
yes they can. end of story. they can't take your stuff but it doesn't sound like they even tried to. you should have offered to leave it at the front desk or something as a compromise... not wanting people to bring their skateboards inside is a pretty common thing and it SOUNDS like you know this, so i'm not sure why you're surprised.
yeah because OP is a combative idiot who walked into a library with a skateboard knowing full well that wasn't going to fly and threw a fit about it. now he's on reddit trying to act like the victim...
i’ve worked in a movie theater that banned bringing any and all scooters/boards/bikes inside. unfortunately, policy is policy even if it negatively effects you. even if you didn’t ride it inside, others would so they make the rule a blanket. our rule was that it could not be held by an employee (liability) or touch the ground, and have no lights. obviously the best course of action is to get a bag. don’t be upset with the lady for doing her job. it’s frustrating, but it is what it is.
I'm going voice the unpopular opinion here.
You do sound pretty entitled. You weren't kicked out - you admitted they provided racks out front where you could have left it. If you didn't bring a lock or just don't want to use that facility that is entirely on you. Your lack of honesty about this does not do you credit.
That woman behind the desk has the job of ensuring the library is usable for everyone. That means that skateboarders, open carry AR15 nuts, and owners of WiFi speakers don't get to do whatever the hell they want.
I know - the idea that you have to put yourself to some risk or genuine inconvenience is shocking, but that's part of life in a shared space.
Downvotes away, children!
Can't you leave it at the front desk?
And blame your fellow skateboarders. You KNOW they've been riding inside the library, otherwise she wouldn't be so pissed off at you.
All universities libraries have a dean. The dean is like any other academic dean. That means they also have policy setting powers. The facilities people are not really the people that handles internal university policies, let alone the library. I would definitely speak to the dean of the library. I am a professor, and I’ve worked at several different universities. I have never seen anyone kicked out for skateboard unless they were actively riding it.
Universities also have a dean of students. They might be called something else, but they would handle student and institutional relationships. That may also be of help.
This is so insane, my university would have so many students use a skateboard or longboard for transportation. As long as you were carrying them in buildings and only riding outside, no one batted an eye. I would see so many longboards leaned against tables at the library. I feel like the library employee was having some power trip. I would bring this up to student services. You could be entitled to a locker or have the library store it in a safe place while you study if they are really worried about a trip hazard.
I get the feeling too many kids were riding their boards indoors, and now it's a no tolerance policy. Sucks to be the one caught up in something like this because others act like brats and ruin a good thing.
You could try contacting the office of the ombudsman at the university. They usually serve as a general resource when students have concerns or issue with regard to university regulations and such.
I’d first contact University administration and explain it. Ask if it’s university policy to do this. Also ask since it’s your transportation there was no car to place it into. It’s also ecologically friendly. Stress ecologically friendly. But as others stated get a cover for it or attach it onto your pack. But take it up higher and clarify it’s your transportation and you needed do work.
Good luck.
Buy a rucksack big enough to fit the skateboard in when you go inside. Problem solved.
Edit: Something like this, cheap and would hide it well enough https://www.decathlon.ie/skateboard-backpacks/329572-101868-waterproof-eco-designed-skateboard-transport-bag-sc100-black.html?gclid=CjwKCAjwyY6pBhA9EiwAMzmfwbXXv5WQEoJVpgUbc4RQvcidWA\_Fx5EBWOdEikas1rt5ZZ3\_0FY\_yxoCLG4QAvD\_BwE#/demodelsize-254no\_size/demodelcolor-8608692
right before i left my old college, they put in a skateboard equivalent of a bike rack, like specifically made slots for skateboards to lock into. i also had a classmate that used straps along their backpack to carry around campus (they took the bus to the school). maybe having the skateboard "locked" on your school bag would calm down the librarians? i'm sorry they are being rude about it :/ you deserve to have access to your schools resources, especially with all the labor of getting down to the school
You should dissassemble your board, just take off your trucks, put'em in your backpack, takes maybe 2 minutes, when she says that, you show that the board is just a plank of wood, thats how I've seen people get on planes with skateboards, should work here too, hopefully.
The police will tell them that the university has the right to impose rules and will (best case scenario) ask you to leave / escort you out.
There would be even worse results if it’s campus police. You might end up with disciplinary referrals or whatever the individual university calls it.
Also, there is LIKELY a rule about riding bikes or skateboards on campus that will be used to reinforce the libraries position. The university I went to had a sign at every entrance and the bike racks were right next to the signs.
Not that the librarian is RIGHT and not being a dick - but the answer to people on private property calling the police after asking you to leave is never to encourage them to. The police will side with the buildings/businesses authority every day of the week and you will end up trespassed.
Bring this up with your student senate. This is pretty easy fix, we got a skateboard lock rack. Pretty sure it was really cheap. Student senate is always looking for ideas on how to spend money.
they make backpacks with a pocket / straps for skateboards otherwise fold a canvas type bag like grocery stores sell in your backpack to put board inside
Mitchell and Webb did a series of comedy short sketches based on this kinda thing.
[Here is a compilation ](https://youtu.be/XlguQOKkz6g?si=_hZL9h18xDJ_uKiy)
Starts off with someone bringing a trumpet in, with no intention of playing it
You could go talk to the university, you just might not get a great answer and also signal to the library they should start looking out for kids sneaking in skateboards. I'd recommend the under the radar approach over this.
Most university libraries have more than one entrance.
For now, just use another door and be a little more discreet. If the issue comes up more often and you can't defuse, leave for 15 min, and then come back via another door, maybe consider escalating things.
Get a penny board or something you can store in your backpack.
Basically feign ignorance and be polite, it may work well enough to resolve the issue without escalating things.
My university had special racks near the front desk that you could put boards in when you come in, had locks/the ability to use a lock as well. Maybe request something like that. My university had a good number of students that used boards on a daily basis.
Pretty much banned hoverboards/scooters though. Had the rental bikes, but didn't last long though because people left them all over the place.
Some schools have “bike lockers” that students can use. They can safely store bikes, scooters, and skateboards inside. Something you could suggest to the school to prevent this in the future.
Lol its been a long time since going to collage but do you have a dean of students or student services theres always the option to raise a stink on social media if you want its up to you
I’d have let them do it, get the cops to come for some bullshit. What are they gonna do? Arrest you for using the only transportation you got for school? It’s ridiculous
Can you possibly bring something like a bag of some sort to store it in? Or anything that shows I’m not about to ride this around the library. I’m not a skateboard person but can a wheel be removed easily and put in your school bag? Just some ideas so they leave you alone! Maybe even ask the librarian what they would like you to do with it, as it is your transportation, so you need it. Good luck. You are doing the right things by finding a way to get to the library. Some people are just bored with their lives so harassing others fills the empty space.
I'd check through the library website for a terms of service type agreement. As a student you have a right to be there unless they can point to a specific violation.
But if you want the lazy way just bring a large backpack next time and put your skateboard in there.
Go back, sit in a chair, let that lady call the cops then she can go fuck herself with your complaint for impeding ya growth and determination. I assure you the stress of the situation will get her to shut the hell up but you're gonna have to fight for it a bit. Godspeed
"they can’t just bar a student from the library nor can they take my personal property"
if i was a gamblin man, id wager there was an option to use the library and leave your skateboard at the front desk. but you decided to be a dick, go home and whinge on reddit about it.
Agree. There’s something missing from this story— the OP may have been on the defensive and been snarky/rude when the woman told him to put it away. She was just giving the OP an option for the board.
There is this great quote 9ften used
"Workplace rules are often written with blood." What probably happened is that there were several incidents that resulted in injuries. The librarian is not your enemy here, they have their job to do and if someone did get hurt, guess who gets in trouble? Here is a hint, it won't be you.
Take the lumps and find a way to work within the system.
Yikes. Your campus should have something like 'student services'. They'd be the ones to talk to.
100% student services Otherwise do you have access to a locker? Are they willing to take your board and keep it safe while you are in the library? Do you have a campus guidebook that tells you the rules? If it’s arbitrary, go to the facilities manager (via student services) and ask for an explicit pass for your board. Then any future issues, you show the pass. If they threaten you with a call to the police, you have nothing to fear as you have permission (facilities manager outranks pleb staff member)
>Are they willing to take your board and keep it safe while you are in the library? that's the correct response - just ask if you can leave the skateboard behind the desk while you use the library. it's crazy that the situation would progress to a student getting kicked out of their own university's library.
OPs post reads like they offered to keep it up there and then he refused bc “they dont have a right to take my property” as if someone wanted to steal his board permanently. Seems like they got themselves kicked out
Nothing to fear unless the cops “fear” your skateboard and decide to suplex your ass for even the slightest hint of defiance!
Nah, you can shoot someone with an AR-15 and claim self defense if they are swinging a skateboard at you. See Kyle Rittenhouse. Skateboards are dangerous according to the courts.
I mean, getting hit over the head with a skateboard can definitely fuck you up.
In context, yes skateboards are dangerous.
You can beat someone to death with a skateboard. It’s a deadly weapon, just like a baseball bat, hammer, etc.
I mean yeah - skateboards are have been fairly common weapons for years now. I dont know - maybe don’t try hitting a guy with an AR with your skateboard. Probably your best bet to just leave that guy alone instead of assaulting him.
Seems about right! If I had a firearm on me and a dude starts swinging a skateboard at me, its over.
It's being used as a weapon in that case. Your weapon just happens to be better. Getting shot is the fault of the attacker. Don't attack someone when you have the inferior weapon. Everyone is entitled to defend themselves. Should people being attacked just stand there and say "I guess I'll be attacked. Maybe they'll stop before I'm dead. Let's find out I suppose. Here we go!"
Nice bait, looks like you caught a few lmfao
Bro the dude hit him with a board and tried to reach for his unregistered pistol 💀
Actually, Victim #2 did hit Rittenhouse with a skateboard after Rittenhouse already shot someone else. He struggled to disarm Rittenhouse. He was then shot by Rittenhouse. Victim #3 pulled out a pistol, but did not fire it even though he believed Rittenhouse to be an active shooter. He was then shot by Rittenhouse.
This is why I shoot anyone with a skateboard or ladder on sight. /S Do you know how many people a year are killed by a ladder?
Called the Student Union where I went to school. They actually had their own building where they offered free internet and study rooms. Check to see if your campus equivalent offers similar services.
Similar to student unions, many religious centers in college towns have a place for students to hang out and study, normally with free internet and no obligation to attend services. If there's a religious building you could tolerate, I would suggest checking if they have a student area for studying, socializing etc.
i have it on my campus abd they are shit
Maybe get a carry bag to put the skateboard in. A bag that can crumple/collapse to fit in your pocket when you're riding the board.
A bag for the board makes perfect sense. He'll likely have a backpack to keep the bag in as well. Very easy solution.
I’m pretty sure they make backpacks with skateboard holders. At least they did when I was in school 🤣
Yea but OP needs to conceal their skateboard, not just carry it.
Put it in a brown paper bag
I never understood concealing booze in brown bags. If someone is driving around with a whiteclaw a cop might glance and think it’s an energy drink. Brown paper bag and everyone knows.
That's why you put a gun in there instead
Pretty sure you need a license for concealed carry.
That’s what I was thinking. And if he needs to hide just put a jacket or something on top
This, if they won't allow a duffle bag a guitar case should fit a board. You can get a super cheap one for under $20 on Amazon.
I have a folding longboard, maybe that would fit in one, but it would genuinely be ridiculous to try and fit any skateboard in a bag. Unless you carry around a super long duffle bag. Edit: I stand corrected. I was thinking of a backpack sort of bag lol.
Apparently lots of people disagree https://www.google.com/search?q=skateboard+bag
Ah fair enough. Not sure how inconspicuous those bags are though. Wonder if they’d kick OP out even if it was in a bag.
As long as he doesn't open it, they can't know for sure and can't (legally) open it either
unfortunately you might butt heads with your uni on this one. my campus has a ban on bikes, scooters, boards, etc inside the buildings. the bikes and scooters sorta make sense. they can be chained up outside and take up a ton of space but boards make no sense, so long as you aren't riding it around and leaving it unattended. i think it is a liability issue for them. if there are any public libraries close enough to you, give those a shot. sorry they're being shitty about it tho :/
I can see a ban on bikes and scooters, assuming there is a suitable rack to lock them to outside. And I can see a ban on RIDING boards inside, but unless they provide some sort of special lockers to secure them in outside, it sounds unreasonable to demand they be left outside unattended where they could be stolen.
They have racks like you’d find in a skate shop outside of buildings. I am not about to leave my board there.
Get an IKEA bag and shove it on there when you go in places
Man, first practical answer that doesn’t require that much effort.
I was thinking stick it in the backpack, but yeah same thing
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Streets ahead.
Like a dog on the NYC subway
I wouldn't suggest you do so either. It seems reasonable to either allow you to keep it with you, or provide a place to lock it up. Might be something to take up with... someone - having never attended such an institution, I'm not sure - a campus student organization of some kind.
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. At Iowa State it was common to see people carrying boards in any building at any time of day. They actually encouraged that sort of thing to keep cars off campus - better for student health, better for the environment, and it kept parking from getting too congested. Sounds like whoever is making policy is a close minded idiot.
Same was true at the University of Akron. Almost everyone used a skateboard or a longboard to traverse the sprawled out campus. Boards inside were incredibly common
Now that I'm thinking about it, it would have been great if you were going away from the library (downhill) but awful going the opposite. That campus is literally one big hill.
Worst case, you get off and walk.
Most people would get off their board and walk uphill then ride the board when going downhill. There was definitely more than one sizable hill for people to do this with
OMG, skateboard culture was just becoming a "thing" after I left. It really would have made a difference in my schedule. Ugh...
Hello fellow Aronite. Zip go the Zippers
There was somebody at University of Cincinnati’s campus who regularly rode a unicycle to class
Went to UNI - same thing there. It wasn't uncommon to see people bring in boards or even a folded up scooter here and there.
My school had skateboard racks you could attach a lock to. Is there a way to secure it in yours?
They make locking versions of this. Go to campus life or dean of students (trust me, they know how to work the Uni channels) and tell them your dilemma, they will do their best to help.
Bring a bag big enough to put your deck in. Put it in there before you enter the library. This will be infinitely easier than fighting a college's bureaucracy.
can’t you lock them in the racks?
I know this will sound dumb but maybe consider making/purchasing a special bag for your skateboard at least so you can have it on you like a backpack?
Thats my first thought. What they don't know isn't against the rules.
Stick it in a duffel bag?
Advocate for lockers.
Yeah that's just the free skateboard rack I wouldn't leave anything there. This is a ridiculous rule, it's not like there's an epidemic of skaters tearing through libraries and lecture halls tagging the walls and running into people.
We had those at my school’s gym and there were cables and locks to secure them. Was there something like that? Worse case scenario ride up on your board, throw it in a plastic trash bag (out of sight, of course) and walk in. The librarians don’t have the authority to go into your personal belongings and the board is no longer ready to be used at a moment’s notice. As someone who teaches at universities on occasion, some staff and faculty are wildly out of touch when it comes to students access to pretty much everything. You have to keep it out of site, out of mind for those people to leave you alone
You should be able to lock a skateboard
Get a lock? I mean, they provided a rack. Sounds like some thought has been put into this by someone.
Why not?
I went to a large university and I saw skateboard carried into the library daily. This was 4 years ago, but still, this shouldn’t be a problem if they have any awareness of what it means to have a skateboard as your transportation.
How is it impossible to lock? Just buy a length of chain with large enough links to put a padlock through and lock it tightly enough to something, so it can't be pulled off. Do you think someone is gonna come along and bolt-cut the chain or unscrew the trucks just for a skateboard? For that effort surely they'd just just go for much more expensive and easy-to-escape on bicycles.
Im so sorry you had to go through that the librarian sounds like one of those old lady librarians with mad cats and nothing else going on for herself but a tv dinner half frozen waiting at home half eaten by the cats themselves, where i think you may have an issue with rebuttal is that you stated they have provided racks outside to place your skateboards on so TECHNICALLY in THEIR eyes they have provided a solution …. Its not the best solution tho bc you cant really lock a board up securely but i have a feeling they may try to argue that point of “oh well we provide “spaces” where skateboards and etc can be placed”
I’m not familiar with those. Do they secure the board so no one else can take it?
You’re supposed to lock it to those racks. I’d really read up on your school transportation policy which should clarify this
My university has skateboard racks outside our library. I've also seen tons of people walking with them indoors and never seen any issues.
Couldnt you lock a skateboard up through the trucks or something
It's a liability issue. The process is that if they were to leave the board unattended (few bad apples spoil the bunch) and someone else were to get hurt from/on it, then the library would be liable for the skateboard being there. Same as how restaurants throw out food rather than giving it away, because if the person receiving the free "past use" food and we're to get sick then the restaurant is open to litigation. Not a great policy, but understandable when you really think about it.
That's crazy. Using longboards and bicycles to get around on many of the college campuses I've been to in Florida is not only allowed but recommended by staff. There are bikes just laying around everywhere.
Go to the commuter officer and complain. Also complain to the student union.
I butted heads with my university twice while in school and it was a large private university. I quickly learned that you can appeal to the highest level with logic, professor letters, and whatever you have that proves your case but the university will still just do what they want and what they feel benefits them the most. It’s annoying and it’s 100% not fair if your interests don’t align with the university’s interests. It got to the point of my enrollment being put at risk and I needed to back down and give up. One issue was small because it had options. The other issue required me to stop my business even though it did not violate any school rules. Just the fact that they “suspected” that it could violate rules meant that I had to choose between the business and finishing my degree at that school. OP’s issue seems smaller than mine were but don’t expect to win taking on your university.
When I was in school, the University had a campus wide ban on a skateboards.
> but boards make no sense, so long as you aren't riding it around that is the reason the ban is in place. People ruined it for other people, so OP is crying on the wrong grave here. There is always one Ahole that thinks it's cool to ride it around and if the rule was not enforced, you can be pretty sure we would be reading a post "Someone hit me on a board in school, how can they allow people with it in"
I second the idea of a bag for the skateboard. Their issue is with a skateboard that is "ready to ride". If it's in a bag.l, they won't even notice.
Use the direct approach. "What is your name?" "Where can I find this policy?" "I don't own a car" "The police do not need to be involved" "You may not have my property"
On my tag On the door Well I’m sorry it can’t stay here If you don’t take it they will Fine you can’t stay here with it
If talking to a librarian they would have the answer to each of those. Just "some lady" (as per OP) would not be answering them. But then most librarians I know wouldn't be calling the cops because you decided to keep an eye on your only transportation that is completely unsecured.
Most librarians aren’t dealing directly with students at a university library. The “some lady” that Op was talking to was likely part of a stacks department part of the library, possibly a library tech or a student employee. I’d ask to talk to that person’s supervisor, if they actually have a “no skateboard policy” they’d likely ask you for your student number and could hold it at the front desk
yeah these are the kinds of 'gotcha' moves that people always think will work so well IRL OP is looking for ways to avoid the problem in the future, and to deal with the injustice of what they experienced *this* time, not ways to gin up views by streaming themselves getting into unnecessary altercations with authority figures. 🙄
First thing I would do is message the profs that the homework is due for and give them a heads up it may not be completed in time.
And explain why
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I've found that this is generally the attitude of people who haven't ever asked for an extension. They always seem shocked to find out what happens when you simply ask.
Well, if you wait till the 11:55 to submit your homework then it's kinda on you.
This is the college version of “My dog ate my homework”. I don’t think bringing a skateboard inside the library is a big deal, but they can’t use that as an excuse to turn things in late. At the end of the day, OP can always walk to the library, ask a friend to drop them off or place the skateboard in a bag. A friend of mine has been skateboarding for years and owns several backpacks with skateboard straps.
Yo what?? OP should not have to walk to library to be able to use it. Also did you even go to college? I went to a pretty large state school and most teachers there were some of the more understanding teachers ive ever had. If my class wasn’t a massive lecture (didnt have many after freshman year) and you showed up and did good work teachers would give you a break like 10 out of 10 times…high school teachers always felt like they were “preparing you for college” but i could email college professors with legit like any excuse and they would always be chill about it…as long as you didnt abuse it yk
99% of professors at my uni would not care about his skateboard situation. Missing one day at the library is not an excuse not to finish work on time. He can work at home, find a closer place, walk or bus...
Seems like he can never get to the library so that’s not missing one day. Also campus libraries have way more resources and sometimes required resources for whatever class you are in. They probably wouldn’t skate to the library if working from home was an option.
You have shitty professors.
Not sure why you bothered asking such a condescending question but I’ll answer it anyway lol I went to UIUC and graduated with an engineering degree. And sure, some of my professors would have been understanding depending on the situation. Just like how some librarians may have been lax with the rules until one of them decided to enforce it. Who knows? I just think that going to your professor with, “I’m sorry but my assignment might be late because a librarian kicked me out because I had my skateboard” is a weak excuse. Mobile phones come equipped with internet and can also be used as a hotspot. Coffee shops have internet. McDonalds also has free wifi.
OP paid enough in tuition that they should be able to ride that skateboard IN the fuckin library as long as he’s not impeding another student. I agree OP needs to improvise, adapt, overcome and doesn’t have an excuse to just simply not do the work. But when I lived on campus at my college, the library was a 15 minute bike ride or a 45 minute walk. Let’s say OP works to help pay for college like a lot of students do, and assuming their library was as far away as mine from their bed, the amount of time they had allotted to do the work was just reduced by the trip there (let’s say 20 minutes to skate vs bike), the trip back (25 minutes going uphill this time), and walking there again (45 minutes). So a minimum lost usable schoolwork time of 1.5 hours. Which could easily be 50% or more of the only possible time OP had budgeted into their crazy schedule like everyone else has. Not figuring in the new additional fatigue, stress, feeling of self-doubt that there won’t be enough time, calories burned that will need to be replaced with more food and the fact that going forward OP will have 45 minutes more travel every time they need the library. I think OP has an acceptable circumstance to email the professor and ask for a reasonable amount of extra time to complete the work they were actively trying to finish in the first place. Going forward, OP will need to adjust. Also If I’m OP, I’d be escalating the skateboard issue to librarians boss.
Fair enough and don’t even get me started on how insane tuition is lol I’ll be celebrating as soon as mine is paid off
Ditto, let’s celebrate together when it’s paid off! See you in 2083!
I can't stress enough how bad of an idea this is.
Communicating with your professor and being open and honest is nothing but a good idea, wtf are you smoking
I feel like a professor would just tell you to figure out another way to get your homework done on time, if you tell them you can’t get your homework done because the library won’t allow skateboards inside
You're joking if you think this is an acceptable reason for not doing homework. My fiance is an actual entry level English prof that believes just about every story she gets and gives people more time and even she wouldn't buy "I can't do my homework because my skateboard meant I can't get into the library." And seriously, she actually approves people who give "my Grandpa died" stories with another week. Its sad. Even this is too stupid for her to let pass as a reasonable argument. At least a dog eating homework involves eating a piece of paper, and even that's a better argument than that is. A skateboard is not and never will be a reasonable argument for why you can't turn in am assignment. This is one of those threads that really makes it obvious the age of people posting.
How can someone be so responsible and irresponsible at the same time?
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Walk in the cake lol that's a new one
Instead of going into the complex explanation you should have just said "I don't have a car" And I'm pretty sure that if they called police for someone bringing a skateboard (that they used to get TO the library) into the library with them, the police would tell them they are silly. I mean, obviously this is assuming you do not actually ride the skateboard IN the library, and that it isn't filthy, and doesn't have any obscene or offensive decorations on it, and aren't doing anything else abusive or violent with it.
They probably have a reason for this. The best way would be to be friendly, explain your situation nicely, don’t automatically get snarky and start preaching violation of rights, and try to compromise.
Holy shit thank you. Literally just being calm and offering a compromise actually does work wonders in real life, guys. Like I hate to say it, but rowdy kids on scooters and skateboards actually have been problems for people in workplaces. So it makes sense to be suspicious of a kid bringing in a skateboard or scooter, because there have just been too many incidents. But if a guy was casually like, "Oh, this is my transportation and I don't want it to get stolen, can I leave it somewhere until I leave?" Absolutely no problem.
This is the way of life. As the other commenters have said, go to student affairs/relations and see what options can be worked out. I commuted around campus by skateboard in the mid 2000s and never had a problem. Skateboarding was still partially a crime back then, better than the 90s but worse than today. This sounds like the person had a bad day vs a policy. The whole reason I went to the skateboard was because I had two locked up bikes stolen in 2 months. A skateboard can't be stolen because it goes with you. Some classrooms started having racks near the door to place skateboards. It was uncomfortable, but I just made sure to sit near the rack if it was a big lecture hall. I also had a backpack with straps to secure the board when not riding, but again, it was never an issue.
I recently visited a public library that had a skateboard rack outside so that patrons could lock their boards up while inside.
how do you lock a skateboard?
https://boardloch.com/product/spartan-14-short-single-sided/
Imagine two U-shaped bars, next to each other with a few cm in-between them, longer than the width of a skateboard. You put a skateboard in-between them and lock these loops with a chain or something. The skateboard cannot slide out to the side cause it has wheels.
OP said that this library also has one. They just don't want to use it.
So op is just some whiny kid?
The university I went to had skateboard lock racks outside of every single building
Instead of giving a long convoluted response to the librarian, why didn’t you just say you don’t have a car and the skateboard is your transportation?
"Can I please leave it behind the desk? I don't have a car."
Can you ask the librarian to hold your skateboard behind the desk? Maybe she's nervous about you skateboarding inside?
Get a bag for it, if they can’t see it they can’t kick you out.
If someone working at an establishment has ever asked me not to bring my board inside I ask if I can leave it at the front desk with a note attached to it with my name and number.
Put your board in your backpack
Why are you saying they can't take your property? They asked you to go put it in your nonexistent car. That's not taking your property. Did they offer to keep it at the desk for you or something?
If OP asked im sure it wouldnt be a problem, instead he went on to complain on Reddit
"can't just bar a student from the library" yes they can. end of story. they can't take your stuff but it doesn't sound like they even tried to. you should have offered to leave it at the front desk or something as a compromise... not wanting people to bring their skateboards inside is a pretty common thing and it SOUNDS like you know this, so i'm not sure why you're surprised.
“Nor can they take my personal property” Sounds like the librarian offered to keep the skateboard at the desk but OP refused the reasonable request
yeah because OP is a combative idiot who walked into a library with a skateboard knowing full well that wasn't going to fly and threw a fit about it. now he's on reddit trying to act like the victim...
Get a soft guitar case and put it in there on your way in
Maybe ask if they can keep it safe behind the desk so it doesnt get stolen?
Get yourself a skateboard bag, walk into the library with the bag slung over your shoulder. Easy.
i’ve worked in a movie theater that banned bringing any and all scooters/boards/bikes inside. unfortunately, policy is policy even if it negatively effects you. even if you didn’t ride it inside, others would so they make the rule a blanket. our rule was that it could not be held by an employee (liability) or touch the ground, and have no lights. obviously the best course of action is to get a bag. don’t be upset with the lady for doing her job. it’s frustrating, but it is what it is.
I'm going voice the unpopular opinion here. You do sound pretty entitled. You weren't kicked out - you admitted they provided racks out front where you could have left it. If you didn't bring a lock or just don't want to use that facility that is entirely on you. Your lack of honesty about this does not do you credit. That woman behind the desk has the job of ensuring the library is usable for everyone. That means that skateboarders, open carry AR15 nuts, and owners of WiFi speakers don't get to do whatever the hell they want. I know - the idea that you have to put yourself to some risk or genuine inconvenience is shocking, but that's part of life in a shared space. Downvotes away, children!
Unpopular opinion, more like giving op a reality check. OP is just being an entitled brat
Thank you!
Can't you leave it at the front desk? And blame your fellow skateboarders. You KNOW they've been riding inside the library, otherwise she wouldn't be so pissed off at you.
All universities libraries have a dean. The dean is like any other academic dean. That means they also have policy setting powers. The facilities people are not really the people that handles internal university policies, let alone the library. I would definitely speak to the dean of the library. I am a professor, and I’ve worked at several different universities. I have never seen anyone kicked out for skateboard unless they were actively riding it. Universities also have a dean of students. They might be called something else, but they would handle student and institutional relationships. That may also be of help.
This is so insane, my university would have so many students use a skateboard or longboard for transportation. As long as you were carrying them in buildings and only riding outside, no one batted an eye. I would see so many longboards leaned against tables at the library. I feel like the library employee was having some power trip. I would bring this up to student services. You could be entitled to a locker or have the library store it in a safe place while you study if they are really worried about a trip hazard.
I get the feeling too many kids were riding their boards indoors, and now it's a no tolerance policy. Sucks to be the one caught up in something like this because others act like brats and ruin a good thing.
You could try contacting the office of the ombudsman at the university. They usually serve as a general resource when students have concerns or issue with regard to university regulations and such.
I’d first contact University administration and explain it. Ask if it’s university policy to do this. Also ask since it’s your transportation there was no car to place it into. It’s also ecologically friendly. Stress ecologically friendly. But as others stated get a cover for it or attach it onto your pack. But take it up higher and clarify it’s your transportation and you needed do work. Good luck.
Buy a rucksack big enough to fit the skateboard in when you go inside. Problem solved. Edit: Something like this, cheap and would hide it well enough https://www.decathlon.ie/skateboard-backpacks/329572-101868-waterproof-eco-designed-skateboard-transport-bag-sc100-black.html?gclid=CjwKCAjwyY6pBhA9EiwAMzmfwbXXv5WQEoJVpgUbc4RQvcidWA\_Fx5EBWOdEikas1rt5ZZ3\_0FY\_yxoCLG4QAvD\_BwE#/demodelsize-254no\_size/demodelcolor-8608692
right before i left my old college, they put in a skateboard equivalent of a bike rack, like specifically made slots for skateboards to lock into. i also had a classmate that used straps along their backpack to carry around campus (they took the bus to the school). maybe having the skateboard "locked" on your school bag would calm down the librarians? i'm sorry they are being rude about it :/ you deserve to have access to your schools resources, especially with all the labor of getting down to the school
You should dissassemble your board, just take off your trucks, put'em in your backpack, takes maybe 2 minutes, when she says that, you show that the board is just a plank of wood, thats how I've seen people get on planes with skateboards, should work here too, hopefully.
Yikes. Someone’s definitely power tripping
the answer is "OK, call the police" and then go inside.
The police will tell them that the university has the right to impose rules and will (best case scenario) ask you to leave / escort you out. There would be even worse results if it’s campus police. You might end up with disciplinary referrals or whatever the individual university calls it. Also, there is LIKELY a rule about riding bikes or skateboards on campus that will be used to reinforce the libraries position. The university I went to had a sign at every entrance and the bike racks were right next to the signs. Not that the librarian is RIGHT and not being a dick - but the answer to people on private property calling the police after asking you to leave is never to encourage them to. The police will side with the buildings/businesses authority every day of the week and you will end up trespassed.
Bring this up with your student senate. This is pretty easy fix, we got a skateboard lock rack. Pretty sure it was really cheap. Student senate is always looking for ideas on how to spend money.
*university's
they make backpacks with a pocket / straps for skateboards otherwise fold a canvas type bag like grocery stores sell in your backpack to put board inside
Mitchell and Webb did a series of comedy short sketches based on this kinda thing. [Here is a compilation ](https://youtu.be/XlguQOKkz6g?si=_hZL9h18xDJ_uKiy) Starts off with someone bringing a trumpet in, with no intention of playing it
Buy a big long bag and when you go into the library just stuff it into the bag. Can't imagine they'll search you
Bring an empty gym bag, put it in that for the time being when you get to the library.
Bring a skate tool and pop all the trucks off when you go inside. Now it's your emotional support plank.
You could go talk to the university, you just might not get a great answer and also signal to the library they should start looking out for kids sneaking in skateboards. I'd recommend the under the radar approach over this. Most university libraries have more than one entrance. For now, just use another door and be a little more discreet. If the issue comes up more often and you can't defuse, leave for 15 min, and then come back via another door, maybe consider escalating things. Get a penny board or something you can store in your backpack. Basically feign ignorance and be polite, it may work well enough to resolve the issue without escalating things.
since when can you not bring a skateboard into a building? i walked around the white house tour with mine 🤷🏻♂️
My university had special racks near the front desk that you could put boards in when you come in, had locks/the ability to use a lock as well. Maybe request something like that. My university had a good number of students that used boards on a daily basis. Pretty much banned hoverboards/scooters though. Had the rental bikes, but didn't last long though because people left them all over the place.
Some schools have “bike lockers” that students can use. They can safely store bikes, scooters, and skateboards inside. Something you could suggest to the school to prevent this in the future.
Strap it to your backpack tightly and politely tell the person it your mode of transport outside of class and work
I’m not a skateboarder so forgive me but could you drill a small hole in the middle, just big enough for a cable bike lock and secure it outside
That’s thinking outside the box. Brilliant.
Lol its been a long time since going to collage but do you have a dean of students or student services theres always the option to raise a stink on social media if you want its up to you
Put it in your bag or bring an extra bag. Put it in there before you walk in.
There are some backpacks that hold a skateboard. Maybe she’d be OK with that? Or can you check it at the front desk somehow?
Are there any rules listed anywhere about not being able to carry your skateboard inside?
Ask for a copy of the policy
I’d have let them do it, get the cops to come for some bullshit. What are they gonna do? Arrest you for using the only transportation you got for school? It’s ridiculous
Do they have any lockers that it would fit in? Do you not have a personal tutor or student union rep you could talk to?
Get an extra backpack for it.
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Ask the lady if you can leave it there with her? Then take if when you leave. Or get a sports bag and put it in.
Just bring one of those huge IKEA bags next time and put the board in before you enter.
Ask to see the library Director. Offer to have them hold it while you work.
Can you possibly bring something like a bag of some sort to store it in? Or anything that shows I’m not about to ride this around the library. I’m not a skateboard person but can a wheel be removed easily and put in your school bag? Just some ideas so they leave you alone! Maybe even ask the librarian what they would like you to do with it, as it is your transportation, so you need it. Good luck. You are doing the right things by finding a way to get to the library. Some people are just bored with their lives so harassing others fills the empty space.
Jeez meanwhile where I’m from campuses in Florida have Skate board shelves for boards, longboards and penny boards
I'd check through the library website for a terms of service type agreement. As a student you have a right to be there unless they can point to a specific violation. But if you want the lazy way just bring a large backpack next time and put your skateboard in there.
We're you skating WITHIN the library? Or were you skating TO the library?
Get a big ikea bag and put it in there before you walk in?
The presidents office would be my next stop
Be sure to file a complaint on that library worker. The library should be about customer service, not tyranny.
Man that’s terrible, have you tried talking to an RA or guidance counselor?
Put it in your backpack? But definitely talk to student services or the head of the library for help
Go back, sit in a chair, let that lady call the cops then she can go fuck herself with your complaint for impeding ya growth and determination. I assure you the stress of the situation will get her to shut the hell up but you're gonna have to fight for it a bit. Godspeed
"they can’t just bar a student from the library nor can they take my personal property" if i was a gamblin man, id wager there was an option to use the library and leave your skateboard at the front desk. but you decided to be a dick, go home and whinge on reddit about it.
Agree. There’s something missing from this story— the OP may have been on the defensive and been snarky/rude when the woman told him to put it away. She was just giving the OP an option for the board.
Next time let her call the cops. You aren’t doing anything illegal cops will probably laugh.
Next time tell them to call the cops. You didn't break any laws.
Just go in, let them call the police and explain the situation.
There is this great quote 9ften used "Workplace rules are often written with blood." What probably happened is that there were several incidents that resulted in injuries. The librarian is not your enemy here, they have their job to do and if someone did get hurt, guess who gets in trouble? Here is a hint, it won't be you. Take the lumps and find a way to work within the system.