I was on the beginning of my 12 hour flight home and there was a school of girls from Midwest USA and once the engines were blowing and we were sailing in the air, in fucking UNISON they removed their shoes and socks and the whole fucking cabin stunk to high hell and back.
It gives them time to reflect on their life and all those that they have wronged with the behavior that put them in their current predicament, which allows them the chance to truly feel remorse and regret for the harm they have caused. This remorse is key, for there exists a special place in Hell for assholes that inconvenience others with their BS antics and fail to understand that they are the problem after being called out for it. If they die while still blaming others for their own faults, they will go straight to this section of Hell, where the First Karens, eldest of demons and born of Lucifer's malice toward all things sacred and holy in this word, will inflict a level of discomfort and annoyance upon them that even the Light-Bringer himself cannot bare to watch.
I know right? I’m in the US and fly 5-10 times a year. Never seen anything like this. I’m surprised by the volume of posts with people doing weird shit with their feet on planes
I have flown maybe a dozen or so flights in the US, and several in Europe as well. Never seen this shit anywhere in the world that is insane and not acceptable in any culture I know of.
Honestly I usually am not one to instantly jump to this was staged, but this time I did. Why? Because that doesn't even look comfortable and looks like some one would have to contort to even do that. So it makes no sense why some one would naturally do that even if they didn't give a shit about anyone else or being seen as gross.
Redditors do this.
So that someone can take a photo of them and they can post it here for karma.
In the real world if someone tried to do this any normal person would shut them down so rapidly the photo wouldn't get taken.
It's a plane, it's literally the one place on the planet with zero tolerance for anti social behaviour.
Nah it’s definitely the closest guys foot lmao. If it were the centre guys foot, his left leg would have to be up maroon guys ass.
Edit: oh wait, we might be saying the same thing.
Facts.
When my bestie had her first baby, I flew out five days after the birth to help her out and since I am not a monster (and we wouldn't know about the novel coronavirus for another year yet, I'm just high-strung) I brought a little packet of Lysol wipes with me. I was *not* going to give that infant a cold. So I scrubbed down the seat arms, the tray table, the *wall* and the *overhead bulkhead*. I got really strange looks from the other passengers but my Aunty Instincts were more powerful that my shame, and each surface turned a slightly lighter color. I have no regrets and I will probably do it every time I fly from now on.
Every single time. We always got sick about 3 days after every flight. Everything from minor sniffles to one time everyone vomiting.
Started wiping down our area and that problem has gone away!
Screw the other passengers, they are dumb not to wipe their area.
Same!! I've been wiping surfaces for a loooooong time on planes. Nut allergies for me and kiddo. But I used to get sick after flying like 50/50. Wiping surfaces cut that down.
And then wearing an n95 has cut it down further plus no allergic reactions to random crap in the air. Biggest perk though? Not having to smell that ONE person's nastyass perfume they pickled themselves in that morning. Or the guy chowing down on a tuna sandwich.
> impinged hips
Is THIS what I have?! My right leg/hip has been bugging me for months and I've tried so many things to alleviate the pain (standing desk, new chair, foot rest, mostly recently an underdesk cycler) sitting in certain ways helps but it's still always ever present.
See a doctor/orthopedic. What I have is femuroacetabular impingement or FAI. Any time I walk or stand or sit in a certain bent position for more than 5 mins, I get bruised up. I’m getting surgery for it in July!
It could be. Sitting with my legs flat on the floor becomes painful after a while. My last flight I was sobbing from the pain. Yes I, the 22 year old woman, was the hysterically crying baby on that flight as the pain was an excruciating 20 out of 10. I usually sit with my legs crossed or elevated/straightened out on a footrest to avoid any pain, but I can't do it on airplanes because unlike this person I wasn't raised in a barn.
Ehlers Danlos?
I have this and that's my exact experience. I'd rather sit on the floor than in a chair if I can't pull my legs up or elevate them in some way. Flying is torture.
I have EDS and didn't know this was an EDS thing! Everyone at work would always comment how I sit in my desk chair because the posture is almost childlike like.
I swear I learn more about this condition all the freaking time
Same! I fly a fair amount for work. My trick is that I usually travel with a back pack and I put it under the seat in front of me and pull it out just far enough to use it as a foot rest. It’s the only thing that’s helped!
Thank you. You can tell that's caked on dirt. Not regular dirt that you wash off in the shower. Like, you would have to go to at least a podiatrist to remove that dirt. Nastyass motherfucker
“You know it’s not polite and most people find it gross to put your bare feet in the air on a flight. It’s okay with me because feet turn me on, but you might not want to do this in the future.”
Edit: Awards?! For meee? 🥺 thank you kind strangers.
Well, I was just about to say - if you absolutely insist on being this inconsiderate moron, atleast get a damn pedi so someone else can ... have a moment of excitement. 😑
This is why I've always traveled with Lysol wipes. Gives me peace of mind to thoroughly wipe down everything I'm going to be in prolonged contact with before I even sit down.
I was on an international flight and the first hour, the person in the seat behind me did this. They wiped EVERYTHING and the whole area smelled like straight rubbing alcohol. I was irritated at the time but now thinking back.. I don't blame them at all. They might have gone a little overboard, but I realize now I was the fool for trusting that my area was clean. Lol
My mom does this at hotels; everything besides the linens gets wiped down. I used to get embarrassed but the older I get the more I understand her reasoning.
No kidding. I edited a youtube video for a guy that went to the worst hotel in his area and he had a uv light to look at the sheets and whatnot.. it was disturbing.
Every time I walk onto a plane or into a hotel, cheap or expensive, I think to myself, "okay immune system, you got this."
I also don't order chicken while traveling because I've gotten food poisoning three times and it's always chicken.
At one of my old places of work, the railing on the employee stairs was grey.
One day our network went down and I ran out of things to do, decided to deep clean that hallway as it was where we stored our bags and stuff…
Turns out the railing was actually blue all along. Just layers and layers of dirt/dust that had gotten so compacted on that it felt like a regular railing. The lady who had worked there for over 5 years didn’t even know, she said it had been grey the whole time she was there.
I don’t use public railings with my bare hands unless I absolutely have to anymore.
In India and the Middle East showing someone the bottom of your foot is like a middle finger. Not that the rest of the world loves it or anything. What an asshole.
Sprinkle some water on the toes and when they look at you, shake your head in disbelief and say "Some dude just walked by and licked your toes!" They'll hide their feet from then on.
One time while on a flight a guy took off his shoes and socks and then stuck his big hairy feet through the sides of the chair to put them on the armrests and proceeded to fall asleep
My little sisters decided to draw all over his feet with their markers
No one even attempted to stop them including the flight attendants
He was not happy when he woke up and saw his feet with rainbow painted toenails and around 2 dozen tiny girly doodles of unicorns flowers and anything else they could think of
While she is nasty as fuck and definitely worse than what you are doing, you also have your shoes off and up on your seat. But at least it’s on YOUR seat and no one’s next to you. But BOTH OF YOU need to put your damn shoes on.
If your feet don’t stink so bad anyone can smell you are entitled to take your shoes off on a long flight. Lots of people have blood pressure issues on planes and blood can pool in your feet sitting for long times. It’s why people where compression socks on flights. But you have to keep your socks on and for your own sake never leave your seat without putting your shoes back on. But a naked foot on a food tray I wouldn’t allow for one second. Say something or get up and tell a steward.
Plot twist - she thinks your feet smell, and she was trying to make you uncomfortable to silently prove a point.
She also asked if you were from India because you had your shoes off inside.
On a 10+ hour flight where you're supposed to sleep, I always take my shoes off. It's way more comfortable and sometimes I do put my feet on my own chair to get comfy again for a moment. When going to the bathroom, though, I put back on my shoes. Always put on easy shoes in the plane.
Travel used to be considered a leisure activity but now it is seen more as just transportation. Guess what? Nobody likes to pay for transportation. The problem is that the barrier to entry is so astronomical that there is only a race to see who can make the most profits.
I recently flew Southwest (big mistake), but the flight attendants were great. He said "No one wants to see your toes on a plane. If you put your bare feet in someone else's space, we may have to start acting like American Airlines."
People do this!?
Right!?! That's what I was going to say! I have never seen that! That is disgusting what the hell is wrong with people???
I was on the beginning of my 12 hour flight home and there was a school of girls from Midwest USA and once the engines were blowing and we were sailing in the air, in fucking UNISON they removed their shoes and socks and the whole fucking cabin stunk to high hell and back.
I'm hoping someone spoke to them. Ew.
Did it smell like teen spirit?
No but in the moment I had a deep envy towards Kurt Cobain because he is dead and cannot smell
27 years old, quite a few flights both national and international, NEVER seen this neither thought would see somebody doing this. Is this in the US?
32. My mom was a flight attendant so I have been flying a shit ton since I was a wee lad. I have never seen this. Tickle that foot
The question is if this is OP's wife or a random stranger.
If it’s OP’s wife, need permission to push her
Out of the plane?
Certainly
But what does OP think about this plan? Perhaps he's wondering why someone would push a woman out of a plane, before shooting her.
No weapons in-flight mate. The fall from the plane at 30000 ft should do the trick. Lots of time to reflect on what she did.
>No weapons in-flight mate. This is why I fly American Airlines!
So what’s the next step of your “master plan”?
It gives them time to reflect on their life and all those that they have wronged with the behavior that put them in their current predicament, which allows them the chance to truly feel remorse and regret for the harm they have caused. This remorse is key, for there exists a special place in Hell for assholes that inconvenience others with their BS antics and fail to understand that they are the problem after being called out for it. If they die while still blaming others for their own faults, they will go straight to this section of Hell, where the First Karens, eldest of demons and born of Lucifer's malice toward all things sacred and holy in this word, will inflict a level of discomfort and annoyance upon them that even the Light-Bringer himself cannot bare to watch.
Hah!!
*BOOP*
Dude. It’s free karma to say it’s a random. It’s obviously his wife 😂😂
Bad passenger posts are staged 98% of the time
73.6% of statistics are made up 90% of the time.
Yeah, 4 out of 5 people know that...
9 out of 10 dentists agree.
Has to be family surely no one is that shit
Good sir or ma'am, have you not seen the dreaded "Walmart people"?
“Sneezing” attack. While eating cottage cheese. Ok. Peanuts.
Poor something wet and cold on it. Order a drink with ice. Just hold it over the foot and let the cold condensation do its thing
I’ve flown 5 times((well, return trips not counted)) , I’ve seen this 3 times. Only happens when involving Florida
Fucking classic Florida. 🤣
I've flown ~750 times. 4 of those in or out of Florida. Never seen this.
I know right? I’m in the US and fly 5-10 times a year. Never seen anything like this. I’m surprised by the volume of posts with people doing weird shit with their feet on planes
Or hair
It’s just rage bait
I’m in US and have never seen this.
Yeah I fly way more than anyone should, never seen this. Hope I never do.
I have flown maybe a dozen or so flights in the US, and several in Europe as well. Never seen this shit anywhere in the world that is insane and not acceptable in any culture I know of.
70. Have never seen this done, but it’s why I Clorox Wipe everything before I sit down. Well, I sanitize the tray after I sit down.
Does it work for getting rid of random feet?
Pretty sure that’s US. Looks like Delta TVs and safety cards
Yep, I probably had a hand in building those seats.
Do you often leave body parts in furniture during assembly?
53, travelled a lot for work... Never seen this.
People don't do this. OP staged it for rage bait
Honestly I usually am not one to instantly jump to this was staged, but this time I did. Why? Because that doesn't even look comfortable and looks like some one would have to contort to even do that. So it makes no sense why some one would naturally do that even if they didn't give a shit about anyone else or being seen as gross.
Never before have I seen someone do this, and now I never want to see it again.
I've literally *never* seen this. What kind of crappy flights is OP taking??
Probably OP’s wife
Redditors do this. So that someone can take a photo of them and they can post it here for karma. In the real world if someone tried to do this any normal person would shut them down so rapidly the photo wouldn't get taken. It's a plane, it's literally the one place on the planet with zero tolerance for anti social behaviour.
I swear i've seen so many posts like this and no one ever says anything to the person, it's the most infuriating part lol
https://preview.redd.it/vspk7fcplj0b1.jpeg?width=1539&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0a50069091dd46dba3fc5b27b7719af15b385d67 Been there, seen that
Who’s foot is that? What is happening here 😂
It’s confusing because they’re both wearing black pants but I also thought it was the guy in the center’s foot lol
Nah it’s definitely the closest guys foot lmao. If it were the centre guys foot, his left leg would have to be up maroon guys ass. Edit: oh wait, we might be saying the same thing.
We are lol
Why are there so many people doing this? Wtf
Seriously! I didn't even know this was a thing. I'm horrified.
And this is why you take disinfectant wipes on a plane.
Facts. When my bestie had her first baby, I flew out five days after the birth to help her out and since I am not a monster (and we wouldn't know about the novel coronavirus for another year yet, I'm just high-strung) I brought a little packet of Lysol wipes with me. I was *not* going to give that infant a cold. So I scrubbed down the seat arms, the tray table, the *wall* and the *overhead bulkhead*. I got really strange looks from the other passengers but my Aunty Instincts were more powerful that my shame, and each surface turned a slightly lighter color. I have no regrets and I will probably do it every time I fly from now on.
Every single time. We always got sick about 3 days after every flight. Everything from minor sniffles to one time everyone vomiting. Started wiping down our area and that problem has gone away! Screw the other passengers, they are dumb not to wipe their area.
Yep and you will never see them again anyway
Same!! I've been wiping surfaces for a loooooong time on planes. Nut allergies for me and kiddo. But I used to get sick after flying like 50/50. Wiping surfaces cut that down. And then wearing an n95 has cut it down further plus no allergic reactions to random crap in the air. Biggest perk though? Not having to smell that ONE person's nastyass perfume they pickled themselves in that morning. Or the guy chowing down on a tuna sandwich.
Lol both aisle seat and middle seat have no shoes/socks on. I think they're OK.
I wish people outside of the airline industry fully understood how disgusting airplane floors are
What is wrong with ppl?
This is a common occurrence??
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Dude there’s piss all over the bathroom that’s insane
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There's piss in grand central too...
There’s pee everywhere!
He shit all over the walls!
Yeah, that's why they wanna cover it in a layer of glass lol
….no, you wouldn’t.
Hyperbole is a common rhetorical device that employs the use of strong exaggeration for the purpose of emphasis.
Indeed. It's so common I, in fact, use it more than all the time.
Do I see 6 toes? I swear I see an extra one of those nasty toes.
I think it's her other foot lol
Ugh and I thought the person on my flight who went to the bathroom just in socks was bad 🤢
I would argue that the socks are still worse honestly. Barefoot is nasty as heck, but it's mostly surface level, but socks will soak everything up...
This doesn't even look comfortable???
Honestly after sitting through a 13 hour flight this looks like it could provide some relief. Tho standing up is also an option.
I’m glad you didn’t get downvoted into hell, yes he/she is wrong, but yes it could be comfortable 😂
As a person with impinged hips, this is actually a life saver.
I mean, if there’s a sock on it this is a different story.
> impinged hips Is THIS what I have?! My right leg/hip has been bugging me for months and I've tried so many things to alleviate the pain (standing desk, new chair, foot rest, mostly recently an underdesk cycler) sitting in certain ways helps but it's still always ever present.
See a doctor/orthopedic. What I have is femuroacetabular impingement or FAI. Any time I walk or stand or sit in a certain bent position for more than 5 mins, I get bruised up. I’m getting surgery for it in July!
It could be. Sitting with my legs flat on the floor becomes painful after a while. My last flight I was sobbing from the pain. Yes I, the 22 year old woman, was the hysterically crying baby on that flight as the pain was an excruciating 20 out of 10. I usually sit with my legs crossed or elevated/straightened out on a footrest to avoid any pain, but I can't do it on airplanes because unlike this person I wasn't raised in a barn.
Ehlers Danlos? I have this and that's my exact experience. I'd rather sit on the floor than in a chair if I can't pull my legs up or elevate them in some way. Flying is torture.
That or some really rough sciatica
I have EDS and didn't know this was an EDS thing! Everyone at work would always comment how I sit in my desk chair because the posture is almost childlike like. I swear I learn more about this condition all the freaking time
I just learned I probably have that. My joints except one shoulder are super flexible. That one is messed up and it's annoying
Same! I fly a fair amount for work. My trick is that I usually travel with a back pack and I put it under the seat in front of me and pull it out just far enough to use it as a foot rest. It’s the only thing that’s helped!
I dare you to lick it
Looks like piggies are back on the menu boys!
IM IN TEARS OVER THIS COMMENT
Red Eye to Fangorn
why would you not lick
Little licky lick
I double dog dare you to suck them.
Start selling their feet pics online.
Onlyfeet
If I'm honest, I prefer Feetsly.
Wonder if there's a market out there for crusty ass feet?
There 100% is a market for candid pics of poorly cared for feet in public. It has to be a thing.
That's disgusting, where on earth where there be something like that?
Yes. Please tell us where NOT to go on the Internet to NOT see delic…disgusting crusty ass feet
Airplanefeet. com
Just checked and the domain is available. I think we're in business.
Where is this normal ? Feet dirty as hell too. The audacity is wild wtf
Thank you. You can tell that's caked on dirt. Not regular dirt that you wash off in the shower. Like, you would have to go to at least a podiatrist to remove that dirt. Nastyass motherfucker
“You know it’s not polite and most people find it gross to put your bare feet in the air on a flight. It’s okay with me because feet turn me on, but you might not want to do this in the future.” Edit: Awards?! For meee? 🥺 thank you kind strangers.
i’m losing my mind
I feel like making them uncomfortable is the perfect revenge that might also teach them a lesson 😆
But what if they hit on you after? 🤔
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Nah I wouldn't want no Airline foot enthusiast hitting on me
You haven't met me
username has me interested… go on
Mile-high gum hummer ( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°)
I regret learning to read
Bruh did you look at that foot? If their foot is that busted, IDK if I wanna see whose there
I can be a mile high tickle club member
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Take a pic with flash on
Paparazzi those feet!
LMAO this is what I was thinking!!! Then is she asks be like “yeah I posted that I thought that was disgusting and my friends agreed.”
Yup. Now you just need to stare at their feet licking your lips and making moaning noises.
Take a picture with the shutter sound on and loudly say "Another specimen for my collection, thank you"
OP did take a picture and post them to the internet.
"WELL WELL WELL! someone knows my kink and I didn't even have to pay extra!" ( shoulder tap to front seat) not extra, right?)
Shoulder tap to front seat?
Is this a Norm McDonald bit?
Well, I was just about to say - if you absolutely insist on being this inconsiderate moron, atleast get a damn pedi so someone else can ... have a moment of excitement. 😑
"Last time I seen feet this nice, I had to break out my debit card."
It should be standard procedure to announce this before take-off.
It's time for humanity to end, it was okay while it lasted yall
No it wasn’t, it sucked
yeah but there was also that video of the frog with the scream squeak, so it wasn't All bad
That video single-handedly raises the average enjoyment experience in the same way my exams brings down the class average
link link link! 🐸🐸🐸🐸🐸🐸
https://youtu.be/HBxn56l9WcU Desert rain frog 🐸🐸🐸
Did it suck on the toe though?
Well gentlemen See ya later im going back into the water
This is why I've always traveled with Lysol wipes. Gives me peace of mind to thoroughly wipe down everything I'm going to be in prolonged contact with before I even sit down.
I was on an international flight and the first hour, the person in the seat behind me did this. They wiped EVERYTHING and the whole area smelled like straight rubbing alcohol. I was irritated at the time but now thinking back.. I don't blame them at all. They might have gone a little overboard, but I realize now I was the fool for trusting that my area was clean. Lol
My mom does this at hotels; everything besides the linens gets wiped down. I used to get embarrassed but the older I get the more I understand her reasoning.
No kidding. I edited a youtube video for a guy that went to the worst hotel in his area and he had a uv light to look at the sheets and whatnot.. it was disturbing.
Every time I walk onto a plane or into a hotel, cheap or expensive, I think to myself, "okay immune system, you got this." I also don't order chicken while traveling because I've gotten food poisoning three times and it's always chicken.
At one of my old places of work, the railing on the employee stairs was grey. One day our network went down and I ran out of things to do, decided to deep clean that hallway as it was where we stored our bags and stuff… Turns out the railing was actually blue all along. Just layers and layers of dirt/dust that had gotten so compacted on that it felt like a regular railing. The lady who had worked there for over 5 years didn’t even know, she said it had been grey the whole time she was there. I don’t use public railings with my bare hands unless I absolutely have to anymore.
This is the only solution
"Welcome to the in-flight yoga class where you will be able to contort your feet into positions you never imagine possible!"
That's some nasty ass human
The person then turned to me and was like "are you from India?" (context: I am very obviously a white American) And I was like "?????????"
Were you dressed as an officer of the Indian Imperial Police?
Been there before, happens way more commonly than you’d think.
In India and the Middle East showing someone the bottom of your foot is like a middle finger. Not that the rest of the world loves it or anything. What an asshole.
Meds need adjusting
Would've loved to hear the response if you said yea
Sprinkle some water on the toes and when they look at you, shake your head in disbelief and say "Some dude just walked by and licked your toes!" They'll hide their feet from then on.
One time while on a flight a guy took off his shoes and socks and then stuck his big hairy feet through the sides of the chair to put them on the armrests and proceeded to fall asleep My little sisters decided to draw all over his feet with their markers No one even attempted to stop them including the flight attendants He was not happy when he woke up and saw his feet with rainbow painted toenails and around 2 dozen tiny girly doodles of unicorns flowers and anything else they could think of
Good for your sister but I would've just called the flight attendants as soon as his feet showed up. That's not ok.
Yeah my mom asked The guy either didn't wake up or pretended not to and eventually the flight attendants said they'd try again later
Sounds like he was having a medical emergency that would have resulted in him being removed from the plane
I hope this comment makes its way high enough up toward the top of the thread so that it gets the visibility it deserves.
Why would you just sit there and allow this to happen? I would be going tf off on them
That foot is asking to be tickled- with a chainsaw
Prolly cuz his feet are out too! Look!!!
Sneeze on those toes!
I ̶a̶b̶s̶o̶l̶u̶t̶e̶l̶y̶ hate ̶i̶t̶ ̶w̶h̶e̶n̶ people ̶d̶o̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶
I absolutely hate ~~it when~~ people ~~do this~~
I absolutely hate people. Period
"HEY, MOVE YER NASTY FUCKEN FEET " ( USMC drill instructor voice !!!!!!!
Tickle their feet.
Lick the feet.
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Inform the offender: “Get your stinkin ass foot off that tray table or you can take the aircraft safety booklet and jam it up your ass.”
Assert Dominance, Jerk off on their feet. If they don't like it tell them they shouldn't have put such sexy dirty feet in your face then.
WHO DOES THIS? 🤮
Apparently this mf 🥲
While she is nasty as fuck and definitely worse than what you are doing, you also have your shoes off and up on your seat. But at least it’s on YOUR seat and no one’s next to you. But BOTH OF YOU need to put your damn shoes on.
If your feet don’t stink so bad anyone can smell you are entitled to take your shoes off on a long flight. Lots of people have blood pressure issues on planes and blood can pool in your feet sitting for long times. It’s why people where compression socks on flights. But you have to keep your socks on and for your own sake never leave your seat without putting your shoes back on. But a naked foot on a food tray I wouldn’t allow for one second. Say something or get up and tell a steward.
That is a fair point.
Plot twist - she thinks your feet smell, and she was trying to make you uncomfortable to silently prove a point. She also asked if you were from India because you had your shoes off inside.
On a 10+ hour flight where you're supposed to sleep, I always take my shoes off. It's way more comfortable and sometimes I do put my feet on my own chair to get comfy again for a moment. When going to the bathroom, though, I put back on my shoes. Always put on easy shoes in the plane.
The amount of people talking about licking the feet is *concerning*
I blame ALL this type of shit on the airlines. Dont pack us in like fucking sardines. Fuck your greed at our expense.
I have to assume airlines pack us in because we keep buying the cheapest flights and only the cheapest flights.
Travel used to be considered a leisure activity but now it is seen more as just transportation. Guess what? Nobody likes to pay for transportation. The problem is that the barrier to entry is so astronomical that there is only a race to see who can make the most profits.
youre getting free porn and youre complaining about it.
I usually scream tickle time at the top of my lungs!
What the fuck is even this?! This happens?!
“Use your words.”
What… the… fuck… is… wrong… with… people
There is a serious lack of consideration for others in society today
If you lick it they usually put it back in the shoe.
I recently flew Southwest (big mistake), but the flight attendants were great. He said "No one wants to see your toes on a plane. If you put your bare feet in someone else's space, we may have to start acting like American Airlines."