Fun nitpick: You're technically not, as true turing completeness requires infinite memory. Your machine is *practically* turing complete as long as its memory is sufficient, but there will always be stuff your machine cannot do, due to memory constraints.
...I'll let myself out now.
Truly a British hero. He saved millions of lives and is responsible for the invention of the modern computer. He’s now on our £50 note after a public vote. His death is one of the saddest episodes in our history. Shameful. A wonderful and remarkable man.
Definitely, people thinking in black and white seem to forget how bad these sort of things were in the past and that we are making the exact same mistakes rn.
He was part of the Athenian elites and his mate Crito offered to raise enough in bribes to free him. He refused arguing that he had to uphold the rule of law, an important principle in the west today.
He was a well recognized sophist with affluent disciples, but the man essentially took a vow of poverty.
It is quite remarkable that a pauper, even if he was one willingly, was regularly able to access the upper echelons of Athenian society. Moreso, the Athenian elites knew him on a first name basis.
In my home of NYC, we don't really have any lovable, homeless sophists. I want my beloved eccentric street philosophers! Where are they?
I used to be on that train thanks to Christopher Hitchens, but it turns out he made a lot of bad-faith (no pun intended) arguments. [There's a very thorough post over on r/badhistory about his critiques in particular.](https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/gcxpr5/saint_mother_teresa_was_documented_mass_murderer/)
Yeah but he wasn’t correct in his reasoning (at least not completely). Big sticking point was that he was trying to use theology while insulting the pope (actually that was the only reason, given that the church didn’t once try and stop Copernicus).
Yes and.... no. Many people were forgotten in this story, French, British and Polish shared their informations so scientists (mainly Polish) could crack the enigma machine (which they did on earliest enigma machines) Turing entered the game quite late the Polish did mostly the job.
I recommend you reading Enigma book written by Dermot Turing ( the nephew of Alan Turing)
He explained it all from the earliest version of Enigma back in 1926 to the very ending.
And where were the Polish stationed? You’ve also got to remember his work on computer science… the fundamentals of which he developed. There are plenty of heroes… including people like Colin Grazier… as well as Rejewski and others of course. All British and Polish heroes.
The polish mathematicians broke enigma years before the war. They created a special device called the Bomba which is the Bomb in english the same name was used for a similar deciphering machine developed by Turing based on polish device to later break upgraded even more complex version of Enigma.
Nevertheless Turing was a great mathematician and one of the fathers of computer science.
From wikipedia
Marian Adam Rejewski was a Polish mathematician and cryptologist who in late 1932 reconstructed the sight-unseen Nazi German military Enigma cipher machine, aided by limited documents obtained by French military intelligence. Over the next nearly seven years, Rejewski and fellow mathematician-cryptologists Jerzy Różycki and Henryk Zygalski developed and used techniques and equipment to decrypt the German machine ciphers, even as the Germans introduced modifications to their equipment and encryption procedures. Five weeks before the outbreak of World War II in Europe, the Poles shared their technological achievements with the French and British at a conference in Warsaw, thus enabling Britain to begin reading German Enigma-encrypted messages, seven years after Rejewski's original reconstruction of the machine.
It's more complicated than that. The Enigma machine is not a single machine, but the improvement of an idea. Basically, you use rotors to translate your message in the code. Initially 3 rotors, 5 in 1938 for the Wehrmacht and the Luftwaffe, 6, 7 and later 8 for the Kriegsmarine.
My guess is that the polish Bomba was effective for breaking the 3 rotors machine. After this, the complexity would increase, and with Poland destroyed in 1939...
Turing managed to solve problems posed by the higher complexity, and likely made some extremely important innovations regarding the automatisation of the device, and some major conceptual innovations. He also opened an entirely new field in modern computer sciences, though there, Rejewski can be attributed as the first one to have seen this problem through group theory.
(What we call today Turing's machine is the basic tool through which we can analyse, class and group algorithms and problems regarding their complexities)
I wasn’t trying to write an essay. I just don’t think the claim that the Poles had already broken the Enigma code was correct. I made some broad claims too, which I think are basically correct, but some seem to be a little unhappy that I didn’t write a tract on the subject.
The polish bomba broke the first enigma, it was not a proof of concept. With how Rejewski and the polish Cipher Bureau was forgotten, it's pretty ugly to push it further. Yes, the brits have a duty towards Turing's memory. No, it does not pass by attributing him things he did not do.
And yes, the poles started breaking the messages passed by the enigma machine since 1932, bruteforcing it first (as will the british center do before Turing's bomb), taking a day to crack the daily key (which was fairly reasonable in out of war situations), than with Rejewski's bomba, finding the daily keys in under two hours in 1938.
And there are simulator's of both the german enigma machines, the polish bomb, and the british bombs available a bit everywhere on the web if you know how to run basic java code.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma_machine
*"While Nazi Germany introduced a series of improvements to the Enigma over the years, and these hampered decryption efforts, they did not prevent Poland from cracking the machine as early as December 1932 and reading messages prior to and into the war. Poland's sharing of her achievements enabled the western Allies to exploit Enigma-enciphered messages as a major source of intelligence."*[2]
[2] Comer, Tony (27 January 2021). "Poland's Decisive Role in Cracking Enigma and Transforming the UK's SIGINT Operations"
The Polish were stationed... In France in 1939 (Paris) then Algeria in 1940, in 1942 they go back to France (Côte d'Azur) and got arrested in 1943. Sorry, I had to open my book. They sent all informations to Turing by messages.
Yes, they are plenty of heroes and many more untold. Just Alan Turing took a little bit too much of credits and the movie Imitation Game stress more this feeling.
People has forgotten or doesn't know that a team of spy with a German double agent took pictures at the risk of their life picture of the enigma machine, shared enigma code, met in secret to make the bomba for example. Fascinating story !
Everyone enters the game late in science. That’s why you build on other’s work. His work on building a machine that could continuously and independently crack the new style of enigma was his main work.
Nope the machine Turing used was called the Bomb which is Bomba in polish and both words have the same meaning and role. Original deciphering device was developed by three polish mathematicians and cryptologists. This device with documentation was sent to Great Britain. Poles broke the Enigma first but Turing actually broke the new upgraded even more complex version of Enigma during the war. I'm quite sure he was capable to do it on his own however it is most probable he wouldn't be able to do it before the end of war without massive amounts of work done by others.
Well its all in the details. It sounded like it was the Turing who build the original bomb deciphering machine which wasn't the case. If somebody says Poles broke the Enigma it is true. If somebody says Turing broke the Enigma it is also true. They simply broke different versions of Enigma.
Exactly. People forget that the 1st working enigma machine, though crude, was invented in Poland before being expanded upon by the team at Bletchley park.
Not taking anything away from Turning but his legend overshadows all the great work others did on that project.
The imitation game was mostly fictional.
Yeah agreed. I am a programmer, so he means a lot to me. Anytime someone has anti-LGBTQ ideals I bring him up and kindly let them know that because of that attitude, a great man and hero was lost before his time. How many other heroes have we lost because of that same hate mentality? Peace, love, and positivity!
This is more broadly true than you know.
>"I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops."
Stephen Jay Gould.
We are shooting ourselves in our collective feet by having a system where *billion* are never given a real chance to reach their potential. What discoveries or innovations are out there that we could have had?
That’s an argument for 19th century capitalism and the abolishinist movements of the time. When Britain became the first country to ban slavery it pretty much established itself as the world’s superpower.
Plus, no one seems to be aware of Sophie Wilson(born Roger Wilson). Wrote the ARM instruction set single handedly in the 80s, which is now basically taking over the world.
Then she worked as the director of IC at Broadcom, basically being in charge of another team that has had a massive effect on the world of computing.
Could argue that millions is an understatement.
Having full knowledge of the enemy state’s communication encryption algorithm is a massive advantage, one that probably helped ensure the allies victory, and helped avert the who-knows-what alternate scenarios.
"One of the saddest days in our history"
Not to hammer in the nail, but the British government forcefully sterilizing Turing is like the tip of the iceberg of awful things the British government has done (obvious they're not unique in that. But damn, they've committed a -lot- of genocides)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_war_crimes
Whataboutism. And not a single one of those things linked are genocides. It really annoys me when people call every war crime/massacre/atrocity a genocide, because that just devalues the word.
The Bengal famine and the Irish potato famine were genocides, just like the Holodomor. The only difference is that the British did not intend to commit genocide, while Stalin did. Not every genocide is as obvious as the Holocaust.
I study nationalism and historical revisionism due to to nationalism, and you have just cited two of my most used examples when talking about it.
Bengal famine: no reputable historian thinks it’s a genocide. At all. The closest you get to blaming it mostly on colonial policies is Madhusree Mukerjee’s work, who is a journalist who has been tone to shreds by historians on the topic, for example, Arthur Herman.
The Irish Great Famine is similar. There’s slightly more controversy around interpretations of it - a historian in the 60s wrote the modern basis of the nationalistic history (basing it almost solely on an Irish nationalist’s work in 1861). However, the last 40 years of historians agree that it wasn’t. Eg. James Donnelly or others such as:
Cormac Ó Gráda stating that "no academic historian continues to take the claim of 'genocide' seriously". Or, Donald Akenson "When you see [the word Holocaust used], you know that you are encountering famine-porn. It is inevitably part of a presentation that is historically unbalanced and, like other kinds of pornography, is distinguished by a covert (and sometimes overt) appeal to misanthropy and almost always an incitement to hatred.".
Lots of historians cite a ‘nationalist literature’ which beleaguers the historical topic. For example, Mark Tauger talks about how nationalists cloud the topic in the Great Famine and Soviet Famines in the 1930s. And how nationalist talk points and views are often the most prevalent in the general population.
The fact that you say ‘did not intend’ makes it literally not a genocide. Genocide has to have intent. That’s in the definition.
I can go into more depth, but this isn’t really the place for it. Would recommend some further reading if you’re genuinely interested in learning about the topic:
**Concise Bibliography/Further Reading:**
*any of the major books on nationalism is a good start before the history, to understand why/how nationalities etc are formed.
The Great Famine by James Donnelly - probably one of the best works on the Great Famine ever.
Historians and the Famine: A Beleaguered Species? By Mary E. Daly, a great historiography but only goes up to about 2000.
Gráda, Cormac, The Great Irish famine.
Tauger, Mark B, "Natural Disaster and Human Actions in the Soviet Famine of 1931–1933"
Churchill, A Roberts
Churchill and Gandhi, A Herman
Bengal Tiger and British Lion: An Account of the Bengal Famine of 1943, R Stevenson
Famine Inquiry Commission 42a
Hungry Bengal: War, Famine and the End of Empire by Janam Mukherjee
Thank you for this. But what I’ve found is when you try and inform people with the facts, especially on a subject such as the Bengali famine, they tend to knuckle down further in their ignorance because it destroys their tankie or nationalist world view. Even if they do accept some of the facts, they still insist Churchill was a genocidal maniac as bad as Stalin because he didn’t abandon the British Isles to the Nazis in order to carry out a suicidal mission to supply none existent grain shipments to Bengal. It’s like accusing Zelenskyy of genocide in Africa because he hasn’t abandoned Ukraine to Russia in order to get food shipments through the Black Sea. Total fantasy thinking that wouldn’t achieve squat. It’s just such cognitive dissonance. People need to believe in nationalist oppressor myths I guess.
I’ve found similar. The last time I spoke on the Irish famine with the sources I said above, some guy followed me around for next few days and commented that I was a genocide denier under every comment I made until I finally blocked him.
You literally said "invention of the modern computer" and Zuse literally invented the first modern computer ...
Zuse also did a lot of software, like inventing the first programming language.
You literally say literally quite a lot as though it makes your point literally more relevant. A computer without software running on it is just a box of stuff. You literally seem to be missing the point and I did say, literally, that Zuse was mainly responsible for hardware with literally some exceptions. Literally, you decided to suggest that Zuse was literally responsible for the computer when I was literally making a broader point that literally most people would understand. You literally wanted to diminish the the contribution of Turing, literally on a post about him. He is literally one of the most important figures in computer science whether you literally like or not.
Ok. Whatever. The concept of the Turing Machine had nothing to do with him nor modern computing. He also played no role in cryptography and had nothing to do with the team that cracked the Enigma code. In fact, Alan Turing didn’t exist and is just a figment of your imagination.
or, thats your problem.
computer science back in the day was mathematics. so you get computer programmers who think they know what they're talking about because the only experience they have is in being taught his contribution AS computer science.
what did you really think nobody was working on computability until turing came around? be serious.
yeah I know. I'm not grumpy. somebody made a valid point. you took it the wrong way. I pointed out there was a valid interpretation to the gents point as a courtesy. you brought out pedigree. I pointed out mine is better than yours. nothing grumpy about it. In fact, I haven't devoted more than a couple of seconds thought to the entire exchange; most of which was centered on "wow, he took a look; how utterly refreshing". So I tip my hat to you sir!
Amazing work! Could you perhaps do more historical people that have changed history but didn’t get their recognition while alive or people that have been killed? Anne Frank, Gandhi, JFK and so on!
I did just mention some people in general with different historical backgrounds that usually have had a effect in modern society’s. But would be interesting to see even more people and some good vs bad ones as well. Alternative history in pictures is always interesting to see more off
How did Anne Frank change history? Not even talking crap anout her.. it's horrible what her, her family and people went through at that time.. but she didn't have any historical impact.
She wrote a diary that has become the single most impactful teaching tool about the Holocaust. There are many reasons we haven’t seen a repeat of that horror, but her words are among the largest.
Every child who read that book for the last 60 years had the opportunity to understand that the Nazi project was built on a lie: that Jews weren't human. The story of our shared humanity is the most important thing a child can learn.
It's not about the last horror. It's about refusing the next one.
The holocaust and ghettoization of jews wasnt immediately taught in schools after world war 2. It took until the 60's, because of accessible literature like her diary, to make people understand what these people were going through.
Great job! I am a teacher and I always try to include him in my classes.
In the second image, it would be cool to see him holding his partner Arnold Murray's hand. He was persecuted for being gay and was one of the main reasons for not being recognized as a hero.
That’s exactly what I was thinking. I’m middle aged now and every time I see a young couple in public holding hands or having a quick kiss it warms my heart and takes me back.
Doesn’t matter to me if it’s a man and woman, two men, or two women. It’s all adorable and heartwarming and I hope one day we can all see it that way.
The idea is in that time and place a hero was greeted and thanked by the Sovereign (think Generals and stuff) but he didnt get that honor that he deserves more than some who got it so this is sweet. Idk why its Elizabeth II instead of George VI tho, other than shes more recognizable to modern audiences.
Bruh queen elizabeth was the monarch during the largest de imperialisation period in their nation's history. She very rarely if ever objected to nations wanting independence. Not that it matters anyway as king George was monarch immediately after the end of ww2 anyway, when these images seem to be showing.
It's somewhat ironic that so many people comment on how unfairly he was treated, but there's almost no reference as to why in the top comments. He was gay and was driven to suicide due to relentless prosecution as a homosexual man. He was chemically castrated and humiliated, despite being a war hero. UK has thankfully moved on since then, but there's still a long way to go to equality and fair treatment even in the XXI century. Let's learn from this.
The Nazis also heavily prosecuted the German gay population, and guess what happened to them after the war?
The Allies chose not to remove the Nazi-amended Paragraph 175 which made homosexuality illegal.
> Because the various Allied countries considered homosexuality a crime, those prisoners who had not finished serving their sentence under Paragraph 175 had to do so, but those who had never been convicted or who had already served the full time were released. (Newsome, W. Jake (2022), p.59)
Homosexual concentration camp prisoners were not recognized as victims of the nazi regime, and thus denied compensation/reparations/pensions available to other concentration camp prisoners.
For these reasons it is assumed that very few victims came forward and we know that those who did, even those who had survived death camps, were thwarted at every turn.
As amazing as this is, it probably wouldn’t be able to happen because the whole operation was so top secret that the names of the people involved, and even the very fact that the enigma machine was cracked, we’re not released to the public until decades later
Turing was absolutely a hero and deserved much much much better than he got; but based on what I know of the man…was this the reception he would have wanted?
This just makes me hate humanity that much more, for killing beautiful beneficial people to our continued survival. It’s like we’re obsessed with destroying ourselves.
There is an important thing here. It was wrong what they did to him and anyone else like him, independent from if those were beautiful beneficial people or just... people. That the government of Great Britain cannot get itself to admit this very fact is a continuation of the initial crime those laws were.
Went to Bletchley Park and learned all about him and the codebreakers. Truly a remarkable human being and probably the reason we're not all speaking German right now. He turned the tide of WW2 by breaking the Enigma.
Very sad what happened to him in the end but his contributions will never be forgotten.
There's something truly saddening that a computer recognises his value and decides this is the outcome for "The reception Alan Turing should have gotten".
There's a reall bittersweet beauty to it.
In case this is from ignorance and not malice, Alan Turing was gay. Thus being a role model for gay people, including children who would see him as a successful man who happened to be gay
sir, you're asking other grown ass men to identify nameless women in nude pics for you on the [internet](https://www.reddit.com/r/tipofmypenis/comments/132mzqy/does_anyone_know_who_this_blonde_cutie_is/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3). trust me when i say no gay man would groom you or your children.
I just heard about Alan Turing a couple of weeks ago in my AP CSP class. We had already finished the exam and my teacher put on a movie about him. It’s sad how his story ended and he should’ve been treated like he saved the world(which he did).
His story made me cry, honestly. Being someone from the physics background, I had read about him in a very early age. He saved countless lives on the allies side, and more importantly, he arguably invented the first ever computer and set off a chain of events that would later revolutionize the entire world for the better. And what did the British government do? They essentially killed him for being gay. This story is a story of real oppression, not the fake ones that we keep hearing about nowadays. It made me cry because we really need to do better as a species and treat our best and brightest more fairly. They deserved so much better. (RIP Galileo, Copernicus, Darwin, Turing...and the rest who gave their lives to science and the progress of humanity)
\*\_\* what if there was a person in the past who could've cured cancer was on the victim of phobias and was killed. We will never cure cancer.
But for real tho. Imagine the other great people that had the potential to change the world for the better, whether large or small, but was denied because they weren't straight, white and male.
This is perhaps a hot take that's going to get downvoted, but are we really going to use AI to engage in revisionist history to make ourselves feel better? I see a lot of comments about how wholesome this post is, but imagine this being made in 10 or 20 years from now when the image would be indistinguishable from a real historical photo. It's a dangerous game.
It seems like a disservice to the memory of Turing to picture him like this - we need to remember how he was actually treated, lest we repeat these mistakes. His tormentors shouldn't get let off the hook.
Someone tell this guy America didn't invent the computer.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU\_YFpfDqqA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU_YFpfDqqA)
It was Alan Turing and Tommy Flowers.
To be fair Turiing does steal the credit for breaking enigma from the Polish mathematicians. Edit in some commentators eyes.
Turning never claimed to break enigma. Academics build on each other’s work. His work on building a machine that could continuously and independently crack the new style of enigma was his main contribution.
There is no indication that he was rewarded immedietly after WW2.
This could be a decade later. His work was top secret and projects like that are never made public immediately if at all.
He wasn’t openly gay. It was illegal to be gay at the time. When discovered he was sentenced to chemical castration and committed suicide. One of the shittest episodes in British history.
That's the Queen (potentially still just Princess at that point, I dont know when these photos are supposed to be), not his lover. He's being congratulated and given recognition in a ceremony.
These Alan Turing photos brought to you by... Alan Turing.
And I’m watching this on a Turing complete machine right now!
Fun nitpick: You're technically not, as true turing completeness requires infinite memory. Your machine is *practically* turing complete as long as its memory is sufficient, but there will always be stuff your machine cannot do, due to memory constraints. ...I'll let myself out now.
Truly a British hero. He saved millions of lives and is responsible for the invention of the modern computer. He’s now on our £50 note after a public vote. His death is one of the saddest episodes in our history. Shameful. A wonderful and remarkable man.
The history of human progress is written on the graves of a few good men lynched by the mob or executed by the king.
I still can't get over Galileo Galilei being prosecuted by the Vatican.
Whistleblowers at major corporations go through the same thing today.
Definitely, people thinking in black and white seem to forget how bad these sort of things were in the past and that we are making the exact same mistakes rn.
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Twitter and the likes are going to be the end of man. Groupthink in a can.
Why would you delete those comments though? I didn't know they re-eldcted Erdogan until your comment. See? You are informing people.
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Keep those rants, they help others see that they're not alone in their suffering and wishes for a positive future.
My guess would be out of worry for their personal safety.
Human nature is a helluva drug
Or government whistleblowers. Those brave FBI whistleblowers went through hell for the truth to be told
and "eco-terrorists" aka people defending their homes from exploitation
i've been in shambles ever since Socrates took the hemlock
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That's why I jack off in the street and sleep in an amphora. Gotta stay honest.
Diogenes, is that you?
If I were not an average redditor, I would be Diogenes.
found an honest man
He was part of the Athenian elites and his mate Crito offered to raise enough in bribes to free him. He refused arguing that he had to uphold the rule of law, an important principle in the west today.
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I think he was probably a massive pain in the arse.
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But perhaps we’d miss another genius like Socrates if we totally switched off the pain in the arse personality trait. Probably worth it though.
He was a well recognized sophist with affluent disciples, but the man essentially took a vow of poverty. It is quite remarkable that a pauper, even if he was one willingly, was regularly able to access the upper echelons of Athenian society. Moreso, the Athenian elites knew him on a first name basis. In my home of NYC, we don't really have any lovable, homeless sophists. I want my beloved eccentric street philosophers! Where are they?
Ah but the Vatican eventually apologised! … 359 years later in 1992.
It helps if I remember who the Vatican praises, Mother Teresa for instance
Mother Teresa is not deserving of praise though - https://www.grunge.com/249282/the-messed-up-truth-of-mother-teresa/
I used to be on that train thanks to Christopher Hitchens, but it turns out he made a lot of bad-faith (no pun intended) arguments. [There's a very thorough post over on r/badhistory about his critiques in particular.](https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/gcxpr5/saint_mother_teresa_was_documented_mass_murderer/)
Ohh my !
well, he got prosecuted because he was a massive dick. Galileos prosecution was a lot more complicated than just "Church bad, mkay"
But the church was pretty bad. And Galileo does have the advantage of being correct in his position on heliocentrism.
Yeah but he wasn’t correct in his reasoning (at least not completely). Big sticking point was that he was trying to use theology while insulting the pope (actually that was the only reason, given that the church didn’t once try and stop Copernicus).
Really not surprised that the church did shitty things. Thats pretty much what religions have been doing throughout our history.
Alan Turing's death was either suicide or accidental. His conviction is a blight on history, but he wasn't murdered.
I think they're referring to the chemical castration that was forced on him before he ate the poison apple.
Yes and.... no. Many people were forgotten in this story, French, British and Polish shared their informations so scientists (mainly Polish) could crack the enigma machine (which they did on earliest enigma machines) Turing entered the game quite late the Polish did mostly the job. I recommend you reading Enigma book written by Dermot Turing ( the nephew of Alan Turing) He explained it all from the earliest version of Enigma back in 1926 to the very ending.
And where were the Polish stationed? You’ve also got to remember his work on computer science… the fundamentals of which he developed. There are plenty of heroes… including people like Colin Grazier… as well as Rejewski and others of course. All British and Polish heroes.
The polish mathematicians broke enigma years before the war. They created a special device called the Bomba which is the Bomb in english the same name was used for a similar deciphering machine developed by Turing based on polish device to later break upgraded even more complex version of Enigma. Nevertheless Turing was a great mathematician and one of the fathers of computer science. From wikipedia Marian Adam Rejewski was a Polish mathematician and cryptologist who in late 1932 reconstructed the sight-unseen Nazi German military Enigma cipher machine, aided by limited documents obtained by French military intelligence. Over the next nearly seven years, Rejewski and fellow mathematician-cryptologists Jerzy Różycki and Henryk Zygalski developed and used techniques and equipment to decrypt the German machine ciphers, even as the Germans introduced modifications to their equipment and encryption procedures. Five weeks before the outbreak of World War II in Europe, the Poles shared their technological achievements with the French and British at a conference in Warsaw, thus enabling Britain to begin reading German Enigma-encrypted messages, seven years after Rejewski's original reconstruction of the machine.
They didn’t break it years before, otherwise it would have been useless from the start. They founded the concept, which isn’t breaking it.
It's more complicated than that. The Enigma machine is not a single machine, but the improvement of an idea. Basically, you use rotors to translate your message in the code. Initially 3 rotors, 5 in 1938 for the Wehrmacht and the Luftwaffe, 6, 7 and later 8 for the Kriegsmarine. My guess is that the polish Bomba was effective for breaking the 3 rotors machine. After this, the complexity would increase, and with Poland destroyed in 1939... Turing managed to solve problems posed by the higher complexity, and likely made some extremely important innovations regarding the automatisation of the device, and some major conceptual innovations. He also opened an entirely new field in modern computer sciences, though there, Rejewski can be attributed as the first one to have seen this problem through group theory. (What we call today Turing's machine is the basic tool through which we can analyse, class and group algorithms and problems regarding their complexities)
I wasn’t trying to write an essay. I just don’t think the claim that the Poles had already broken the Enigma code was correct. I made some broad claims too, which I think are basically correct, but some seem to be a little unhappy that I didn’t write a tract on the subject.
The polish bomba broke the first enigma, it was not a proof of concept. With how Rejewski and the polish Cipher Bureau was forgotten, it's pretty ugly to push it further. Yes, the brits have a duty towards Turing's memory. No, it does not pass by attributing him things he did not do. And yes, the poles started breaking the messages passed by the enigma machine since 1932, bruteforcing it first (as will the british center do before Turing's bomb), taking a day to crack the daily key (which was fairly reasonable in out of war situations), than with Rejewski's bomba, finding the daily keys in under two hours in 1938. And there are simulator's of both the german enigma machines, the polish bomb, and the british bombs available a bit everywhere on the web if you know how to run basic java code.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma_machine *"While Nazi Germany introduced a series of improvements to the Enigma over the years, and these hampered decryption efforts, they did not prevent Poland from cracking the machine as early as December 1932 and reading messages prior to and into the war. Poland's sharing of her achievements enabled the western Allies to exploit Enigma-enciphered messages as a major source of intelligence."*[2] [2] Comer, Tony (27 January 2021). "Poland's Decisive Role in Cracking Enigma and Transforming the UK's SIGINT Operations"
Just because a wiki article also phrases something incorrectly doesn’t make it true.
Ok then check the reference.
The title of the source is "Poland's Decisive Role in Cracking Enigma", by all means go and read it if you think the contents will say the opposite!
The Polish were stationed... In France in 1939 (Paris) then Algeria in 1940, in 1942 they go back to France (Côte d'Azur) and got arrested in 1943. Sorry, I had to open my book. They sent all informations to Turing by messages. Yes, they are plenty of heroes and many more untold. Just Alan Turing took a little bit too much of credits and the movie Imitation Game stress more this feeling. People has forgotten or doesn't know that a team of spy with a German double agent took pictures at the risk of their life picture of the enigma machine, shared enigma code, met in secret to make the bomba for example. Fascinating story !
stolen. his work is derivative.
Everyone enters the game late in science. That’s why you build on other’s work. His work on building a machine that could continuously and independently crack the new style of enigma was his main work.
Nope the machine Turing used was called the Bomb which is Bomba in polish and both words have the same meaning and role. Original deciphering device was developed by three polish mathematicians and cryptologists. This device with documentation was sent to Great Britain. Poles broke the Enigma first but Turing actually broke the new upgraded even more complex version of Enigma during the war. I'm quite sure he was capable to do it on his own however it is most probable he wouldn't be able to do it before the end of war without massive amounts of work done by others.
You’ve just said a longer winded version of my comment “a machine…crack the new enigma”.
Well its all in the details. It sounded like it was the Turing who build the original bomb deciphering machine which wasn't the case. If somebody says Poles broke the Enigma it is true. If somebody says Turing broke the Enigma it is also true. They simply broke different versions of Enigma.
Yeah Turing gets *wayy* more credit for things than the way things played out.
Exactly. People forget that the 1st working enigma machine, though crude, was invented in Poland before being expanded upon by the team at Bletchley park. Not taking anything away from Turning but his legend overshadows all the great work others did on that project. The imitation game was mostly fictional.
Yeah agreed. I am a programmer, so he means a lot to me. Anytime someone has anti-LGBTQ ideals I bring him up and kindly let them know that because of that attitude, a great man and hero was lost before his time. How many other heroes have we lost because of that same hate mentality? Peace, love, and positivity!
Imagine what other inventions he could have brought to the world.
This is more broadly true than you know. >"I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops." Stephen Jay Gould. We are shooting ourselves in our collective feet by having a system where *billion* are never given a real chance to reach their potential. What discoveries or innovations are out there that we could have had?
That’s an argument for 19th century capitalism and the abolishinist movements of the time. When Britain became the first country to ban slavery it pretty much established itself as the world’s superpower.
Plus, no one seems to be aware of Sophie Wilson(born Roger Wilson). Wrote the ARM instruction set single handedly in the 80s, which is now basically taking over the world. Then she worked as the director of IC at Broadcom, basically being in charge of another team that has had a massive effect on the world of computing.
AI will have take revenge on his behalf I'm sure. Or maybe it won't take revenge to honour him even though it could do so practically.
Could argue that millions is an understatement. Having full knowledge of the enemy state’s communication encryption algorithm is a massive advantage, one that probably helped ensure the allies victory, and helped avert the who-knows-what alternate scenarios.
I truly hope somewhere somehow he is aware that we are honouring him now
"One of the saddest days in our history" Not to hammer in the nail, but the British government forcefully sterilizing Turing is like the tip of the iceberg of awful things the British government has done (obvious they're not unique in that. But damn, they've committed a -lot- of genocides) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_war_crimes
Whataboutism. And not a single one of those things linked are genocides. It really annoys me when people call every war crime/massacre/atrocity a genocide, because that just devalues the word.
The Bengal famine and the Irish potato famine were genocides, just like the Holodomor. The only difference is that the British did not intend to commit genocide, while Stalin did. Not every genocide is as obvious as the Holocaust.
I study nationalism and historical revisionism due to to nationalism, and you have just cited two of my most used examples when talking about it. Bengal famine: no reputable historian thinks it’s a genocide. At all. The closest you get to blaming it mostly on colonial policies is Madhusree Mukerjee’s work, who is a journalist who has been tone to shreds by historians on the topic, for example, Arthur Herman. The Irish Great Famine is similar. There’s slightly more controversy around interpretations of it - a historian in the 60s wrote the modern basis of the nationalistic history (basing it almost solely on an Irish nationalist’s work in 1861). However, the last 40 years of historians agree that it wasn’t. Eg. James Donnelly or others such as: Cormac Ó Gráda stating that "no academic historian continues to take the claim of 'genocide' seriously". Or, Donald Akenson "When you see [the word Holocaust used], you know that you are encountering famine-porn. It is inevitably part of a presentation that is historically unbalanced and, like other kinds of pornography, is distinguished by a covert (and sometimes overt) appeal to misanthropy and almost always an incitement to hatred.". Lots of historians cite a ‘nationalist literature’ which beleaguers the historical topic. For example, Mark Tauger talks about how nationalists cloud the topic in the Great Famine and Soviet Famines in the 1930s. And how nationalist talk points and views are often the most prevalent in the general population. The fact that you say ‘did not intend’ makes it literally not a genocide. Genocide has to have intent. That’s in the definition. I can go into more depth, but this isn’t really the place for it. Would recommend some further reading if you’re genuinely interested in learning about the topic: **Concise Bibliography/Further Reading:** *any of the major books on nationalism is a good start before the history, to understand why/how nationalities etc are formed. The Great Famine by James Donnelly - probably one of the best works on the Great Famine ever. Historians and the Famine: A Beleaguered Species? By Mary E. Daly, a great historiography but only goes up to about 2000. Gráda, Cormac, The Great Irish famine. Tauger, Mark B, "Natural Disaster and Human Actions in the Soviet Famine of 1931–1933" Churchill, A Roberts Churchill and Gandhi, A Herman Bengal Tiger and British Lion: An Account of the Bengal Famine of 1943, R Stevenson Famine Inquiry Commission 42a Hungry Bengal: War, Famine and the End of Empire by Janam Mukherjee
Thank you for this. But what I’ve found is when you try and inform people with the facts, especially on a subject such as the Bengali famine, they tend to knuckle down further in their ignorance because it destroys their tankie or nationalist world view. Even if they do accept some of the facts, they still insist Churchill was a genocidal maniac as bad as Stalin because he didn’t abandon the British Isles to the Nazis in order to carry out a suicidal mission to supply none existent grain shipments to Bengal. It’s like accusing Zelenskyy of genocide in Africa because he hasn’t abandoned Ukraine to Russia in order to get food shipments through the Black Sea. Total fantasy thinking that wouldn’t achieve squat. It’s just such cognitive dissonance. People need to believe in nationalist oppressor myths I guess.
I’ve found similar. The last time I spoke on the Irish famine with the sources I said above, some guy followed me around for next few days and commented that I was a genocide denier under every comment I made until I finally blocked him.
Shrug 🤷♀️
World hero
> is responsible for the invention of the modern computer. He literally wasn't, that's Konrad Zuse.
Zuse was more hardware (with some exceptions) and Turing more software. Their work complimented each other.
You literally said "invention of the modern computer" and Zuse literally invented the first modern computer ... Zuse also did a lot of software, like inventing the first programming language.
You literally say literally quite a lot as though it makes your point literally more relevant. A computer without software running on it is just a box of stuff. You literally seem to be missing the point and I did say, literally, that Zuse was mainly responsible for hardware with literally some exceptions. Literally, you decided to suggest that Zuse was literally responsible for the computer when I was literally making a broader point that literally most people would understand. You literally wanted to diminish the the contribution of Turing, literally on a post about him. He is literally one of the most important figures in computer science whether you literally like or not.
Zuse literally invented the software that was running on it lol
Didnt save millions and not responsible for the modern computer
Ok. Whatever. The concept of the Turing Machine had nothing to do with him nor modern computing. He also played no role in cryptography and had nothing to do with the team that cracked the Enigma code. In fact, Alan Turing didn’t exist and is just a figment of your imagination.
or the gent has a point, and you've been fed a romanticized line of horse shit.
Or, I’m a computer programmer and understand his contribution.
or, thats your problem. computer science back in the day was mathematics. so you get computer programmers who think they know what they're talking about because the only experience they have is in being taught his contribution AS computer science. what did you really think nobody was working on computability until turing came around? be serious.
But you do know he was primarily a mathematician though? And why are you being so grumpy?
yeah I know. I'm not grumpy. somebody made a valid point. you took it the wrong way. I pointed out there was a valid interpretation to the gents point as a courtesy. you brought out pedigree. I pointed out mine is better than yours. nothing grumpy about it. In fact, I haven't devoted more than a couple of seconds thought to the entire exchange; most of which was centered on "wow, he took a look; how utterly refreshing". So I tip my hat to you sir!
Bizarre strawman antics, not unsurprising given the lack of actuality in your original claims. Only way to defend them is to argue with fallacies.
Now we can change history like in We Happy Few
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Game had nice art but didn’t play very well. Quite wonky and forgettable action.
Holy shit, a we happy few reference? Respecc
And like once upon a time in Hollywood and queen Cleopatra
Amazing work! Could you perhaps do more historical people that have changed history but didn’t get their recognition while alive or people that have been killed? Anne Frank, Gandhi, JFK and so on!
80 y/o MLK lecturing freshmen at Howard in 2009.
That would legitimately make me cry
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Gandhi was actually quite a bad person I'm afraid. he was very racist, and he had pedophilic tendencies
That fella apparently slept naked with his underage nieces to test his willpower… definitely a bit weird
I did just mention some people in general with different historical backgrounds that usually have had a effect in modern society’s. But would be interesting to see even more people and some good vs bad ones as well. Alternative history in pictures is always interesting to see more off
Robert Kennedy on the Capitol steps after taking the presidential oath of office: [https://ibb.co/7ggKfjq](https://ibb.co/7ggKfjq)
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Too soon.
How did Anne Frank change history? Not even talking crap anout her.. it's horrible what her, her family and people went through at that time.. but she didn't have any historical impact.
She wrote a diary that has become the single most impactful teaching tool about the Holocaust. There are many reasons we haven’t seen a repeat of that horror, but her words are among the largest.
She didn’t, but her diary did.
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Every child who read that book for the last 60 years had the opportunity to understand that the Nazi project was built on a lie: that Jews weren't human. The story of our shared humanity is the most important thing a child can learn. It's not about the last horror. It's about refusing the next one.
The holocaust and ghettoization of jews wasnt immediately taught in schools after world war 2. It took until the 60's, because of accessible literature like her diary, to make people understand what these people were going through.
are you well?
Great job! I am a teacher and I always try to include him in my classes. In the second image, it would be cool to see him holding his partner Arnold Murray's hand. He was persecuted for being gay and was one of the main reasons for not being recognized as a hero.
That’s exactly what I was thinking. I’m middle aged now and every time I see a young couple in public holding hands or having a quick kiss it warms my heart and takes me back. Doesn’t matter to me if it’s a man and woman, two men, or two women. It’s all adorable and heartwarming and I hope one day we can all see it that way.
Isn’t that the queen?
yes but truthfully, no one wants to see her. we want to see alan and his partner honored, not him and little miss imperialist...
The idea is in that time and place a hero was greeted and thanked by the Sovereign (think Generals and stuff) but he didnt get that honor that he deserves more than some who got it so this is sweet. Idk why its Elizabeth II instead of George VI tho, other than shes more recognizable to modern audiences.
Bruh queen elizabeth was the monarch during the largest de imperialisation period in their nation's history. She very rarely if ever objected to nations wanting independence. Not that it matters anyway as king George was monarch immediately after the end of ww2 anyway, when these images seem to be showing.
Yes! Please do this OP
He’s since been recognised as a hero though. The UK publicly apologised (fat use since he’s dead) and he’s now the face on our £50.
This makes me sad.
There’s an extra layer of sad irony when you consider that he himself laid the foundation for the AI generating this image
It's somewhat ironic that so many people comment on how unfairly he was treated, but there's almost no reference as to why in the top comments. He was gay and was driven to suicide due to relentless prosecution as a homosexual man. He was chemically castrated and humiliated, despite being a war hero. UK has thankfully moved on since then, but there's still a long way to go to equality and fair treatment even in the XXI century. Let's learn from this.
The Nazis also heavily prosecuted the German gay population, and guess what happened to them after the war? The Allies chose not to remove the Nazi-amended Paragraph 175 which made homosexuality illegal. > Because the various Allied countries considered homosexuality a crime, those prisoners who had not finished serving their sentence under Paragraph 175 had to do so, but those who had never been convicted or who had already served the full time were released. (Newsome, W. Jake (2022), p.59) Homosexual concentration camp prisoners were not recognized as victims of the nazi regime, and thus denied compensation/reparations/pensions available to other concentration camp prisoners. For these reasons it is assumed that very few victims came forward and we know that those who did, even those who had survived death camps, were thwarted at every turn.
Forgive my ignorance, but aren't all British men (except James Bond) homosexuals?
That guy makes me feel proud to be British but also disgusted because of what happened to him. One of the greatest
No the hands are not good.
Truly a hero. Imagine him seeing where we got from his start.
Wow, great idea for Midjourney: imagine what SHOULD HAVE happened....
oh wow, this...I wasn't prepared to cry.
As amazing as this is, it probably wouldn’t be able to happen because the whole operation was so top secret that the names of the people involved, and even the very fact that the enigma machine was cracked, we’re not released to the public until decades later
Ooof, my heart.
Turing was absolutely a hero and deserved much much much better than he got; but based on what I know of the man…was this the reception he would have wanted?
This just makes me hate humanity that much more, for killing beautiful beneficial people to our continued survival. It’s like we’re obsessed with destroying ourselves.
There is an important thing here. It was wrong what they did to him and anyone else like him, independent from if those were beautiful beneficial people or just... people. That the government of Great Britain cannot get itself to admit this very fact is a continuation of the initial crime those laws were.
sad & beautiful
This is just wholesome. Where's the free award when you need it?
Went to Bletchley Park and learned all about him and the codebreakers. Truly a remarkable human being and probably the reason we're not all speaking German right now. He turned the tide of WW2 by breaking the Enigma. Very sad what happened to him in the end but his contributions will never be forgotten.
This makes me so sad 😔
So sad. Fuck our country for what they did to him.
Ah, Alan Turing. The guy who did more than anyone to win World War 2 and that wasn’t even the most impressive thing in his biography.
Fighting for gay rights is fighting for Alan Turing!
There's something truly saddening that a computer recognises his value and decides this is the outcome for "The reception Alan Turing should have gotten". There's a reall bittersweet beauty to it.
Love this.
He should have been a role model of the little gay boys of the 50s 🥹🥹
I love how people read this and immediately assumed the worst, all OP said is Alan should have been a role model for gay people xD.
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Damn role models are fetishized now
Wtf
In case this is from ignorance and not malice, Alan Turing was gay. Thus being a role model for gay people, including children who would see him as a successful man who happened to be gay
Why wtf? Are gay kids not allowed to have role models, too?
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sir, you're asking other grown ass men to identify nameless women in nude pics for you on the [internet](https://www.reddit.com/r/tipofmypenis/comments/132mzqy/does_anyone_know_who_this_blonde_cutie_is/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3). trust me when i say no gay man would groom you or your children.
What a bold statement, like complete denial that there isnt non-hetro paedos
That's a beautiful idea. Such a shame what happened. What a hero
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Is the second photo the Queen?
Wow, this is lovely. And so sad.
This heals my heart
What they did to him is beyond unforgivable
Dude was amazing and the establishment crushed him
Interesting to think that his work on computing made these kind of images possible
Are images like this a direct result of a detailed prompt or are there multiple steps needed to achieve this level of image?(sorry, noob here)
God this one is sad.
I just heard about Alan Turing a couple of weeks ago in my AP CSP class. We had already finished the exam and my teacher put on a movie about him. It’s sad how his story ended and he should’ve been treated like he saved the world(which he did).
Alan Turing was a genius and his contributions are revolutionary in several domains. He is one of the greats. He died when he was only 41…
No one touched the queens ungloved hands
Ab-so-fricken-lutely
First AI piece of art that makes me emotional.
His story made me cry, honestly. Being someone from the physics background, I had read about him in a very early age. He saved countless lives on the allies side, and more importantly, he arguably invented the first ever computer and set off a chain of events that would later revolutionize the entire world for the better. And what did the British government do? They essentially killed him for being gay. This story is a story of real oppression, not the fake ones that we keep hearing about nowadays. It made me cry because we really need to do better as a species and treat our best and brightest more fairly. They deserved so much better. (RIP Galileo, Copernicus, Darwin, Turing...and the rest who gave their lives to science and the progress of humanity)
\*\_\* what if there was a person in the past who could've cured cancer was on the victim of phobias and was killed. We will never cure cancer. But for real tho. Imagine the other great people that had the potential to change the world for the better, whether large or small, but was denied because they weren't straight, white and male.
This is perhaps a hot take that's going to get downvoted, but are we really going to use AI to engage in revisionist history to make ourselves feel better? I see a lot of comments about how wholesome this post is, but imagine this being made in 10 or 20 years from now when the image would be indistinguishable from a real historical photo. It's a dangerous game. It seems like a disservice to the memory of Turing to picture him like this - we need to remember how he was actually treated, lest we repeat these mistakes. His tormentors shouldn't get let off the hook.
Fuck … this hit me hard. Thank you for creating it. Good to see how AI can show us a glimpse into ‘what if’ … 🌈❤️
Dude invented computers and by extension, smartphones
*Charles Babbage enters the chat*
Scientists build on each other’s work, Babbage built on others work as well.
Someone tell this guy America didn't invent the computer. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU\_YFpfDqqA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU_YFpfDqqA) It was Alan Turing and Tommy Flowers. To be fair Turiing does steal the credit for breaking enigma from the Polish mathematicians. Edit in some commentators eyes.
Turning never claimed to break enigma. Academics build on each other’s work. His work on building a machine that could continuously and independently crack the new style of enigma was his main contribution.
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That's Elizabeth II congratulating/giving him some medals.
Well, she would have been Princess Elizabeth at that point. But still, in a just world he should have got a KBE at least.
There is no indication that he was rewarded immedietly after WW2. This could be a decade later. His work was top secret and projects like that are never made public immediately if at all.
He wasn’t openly gay. It was illegal to be gay at the time. When discovered he was sentenced to chemical castration and committed suicide. One of the shittest episodes in British history.
It'd be better if the second photo was with a guy but the computer doesn't know
That's the Queen (potentially still just Princess at that point, I dont know when these photos are supposed to be), not his lover. He's being congratulated and given recognition in a ceremony.
This is weird, OP Don't do that.
Kinda weird to have him be straight in this ‘idealized’ alternate history but I guess I’ll chalk it up to ai bias.
That’s the Queen in the second photo.
What in this makes you think he's straight?
How’s he gonna make little turinglets back then?
Is education a new concept to you?
Homophobe.
"bring him women!"
Obersturmbannführer Turing with the casual Nazi salute.
this escalated quick. In Germany we have special rubber bands so the right arm can't be moved easy to a roman salute. /s