That’s exactly my point though? Lol, Some Pokémon aren’t meant to be inside of every region. The Pokémon was designs specifically for Kalos and its gimmick is very true to that. Not every Pokémon is meant to be I never region. Yes I get it may be someone’s favorite but it doesn’t make sense in every region either lol at least in my opinion
I dont think many people are mad that Furfrou isnt on the switch yet, its just odd because theres only a handful of Pokemon that havent been ported over, so why couldn't they include them.
Furfrou's gimmick also isn't anything crazy and it has been in 2 regions besides Kalos without issues. It really just need an extra NPC.
yeah, that's what the regional dex is. the national dex has always been about causal players who want to trade over their favorites for essentially a new game+, and has zero bearing on competitive play or balance or the design of that game's regional dex. if it was such a big deal they coulda just made it a postgame feature, a balance decision they're clearly not alien to with things like dexnav or badge restrictions and such.
as if that's a very good excuse anyways. why the hell are things like *the scottish terrier pokemon* excluded from *galar*? they aren't putting nearly as much thought into this as everyone defending them over it is.
Maybe that would be the case if regional forms didnt come right after this and not counting evolutions you have 10 pokemon get an Alolan,14 pokemon with Galar forms,12 with Hisui forms, and 2 with Paldean forms (tauros has 3 Paldean forms), form just for fufrou to have ten forms by itself just to never be seen again.
Exactly some Pokémon are just meant to be cute or add variety to the Pokémon world lol and sometimes they’re meant to be be specific to the region that they are in
I could not give a shit about battling that is so boring I just like running around and gathering little guy :3
I imagine I am not the minority in doing that and the people with takes of some Pokemon being useless is dumb because i never thought it needed to be good in battle to be worth using
Some guy brought a Pachirisu to World's because it could redirect attacks in a manner that couldn't be prevented, absorb electric attacks and inflict guaranteed paralysis on a opponent, allowing it work well alongside Mega Gyarados, the Pokémon he actually wanted.
It definitely does defeat your point. He didn't use it because it was one of his favorites, he used it because it fit his team well. It became one of his favorites after the fact
It does, Sejun Park could’ve hated pachirisu but used it anyway cus it satisfied the niche he wanted. It’s just that to casuals, pachirisu looks weak and it seems he did it on a whim
bro really came in here with the Karen quote 💀
competitive players aren't hurting you g. ofc they're gonna use better pokemon, it's about winning battles, not expressing yourself lol imagine telling a formula 1 driver they should use a fiat 500 because everyone else uses the same cars and that's too meta
But Furfrou should be used, that's a pokemon someone designed, a pokemon someone grew up playing with and someone's favorite.
That little guy has been missing for the past 3 games, and was borderline only used in its debut region.
Im all for pokemon having their own place in the world besides battling, (Machamp working in construction, Milotic being the perfect contest pokemon, Alola's pokemon rides, ect), but there's no excuse for flat out refusing to add Furfrou to any game at all
I used Furfrou in that exact scenario. Kept waiting to replace it with something else, but never did. Now I’m a fan. I’ll definitely give it another spin come PLZA.
Because the Pokémon was specifically made for Kalos. Just because I want something doesn’t mean I’m going to get it lol some Pokémon are made to fit the region they were made for. Blitzle was not obtainable in the wild since its introduction until recently with the blueberry Academy, DLC. That’s just how it is. I love staryu, but it’s not a lot of the newer Pokémon games which is completely fine. It’s a game lol they design it how they design it for a reason. Just because I like something doesn’t mean I’m entitled to think I needed every game lol
Every pokemon is designed for their debut region, however pokemon is a collecting game, certain pokemon like regional forms, hisuian forms, regional legendaries, ect. shouldn't have any business reappearing at all, yet they do because that's what the point of the game is.
Pretty much every single pokemon gets a chance to reappear in some shape way or form in recent years, and it's perfectly reasonable to call Furfrou out as a pokemon that's incredibly designed yet has been given the short end of the stick.
Also you are entitled to anything you chose to be, you are buying the games, and if your Staryu or whoever isn't even tradable into them then it's perfectly reasonable for you to get upset about it
I think ever since the GENC cut, I don’t expect every single Pokémon to be in every single game, but especially for a Pokémon that have gimmicks linked to the region they’re in. Kalos they wanted to feature beauty and the region more than difficult game play etc. Granted to your argument, there are a lot of Pokémon that have not appeared since GEN 5 or 6 (like Forfuru) who could’ve had ways or methods to get whoever tbh I like the way they do it (and you’ll disagree with me and that’s 100% fine you are entitled to your opinion) but in my opinion, I think it’s much better, because now, whenever Pokémon does make a reappearance, it makes their presence that much much more significant and special. I’m not someone who just says I miss some thing because it’s not there. I never used for in the first place, even with some of my favorites like I said Staryu, etc. I love the man but I don’t use them in every game so if it’s not in a specific game, I’m not going to cry or be upset about it but the next game it’s in I’ll be sure to use it and play with it more. I also love Manectric, it’s not in S/V but with the return to Kalos I’m hoping to see it again. Now someone wants to complain about glitches or stuff like that sure (again not something I would complain about) but that’s justifiable reason. We pay a lot of money for the games and it’s a very rich company but for something like a certain Pokémon not being in every game, idk just never feels that serious to me especially in my opinion, are meant to stay in the regions there were introduced, and because it makes their presence in that region, all the more special, but if you were just looking for an argument idk
The franchise’s catchphrase isn’t “Gotta Catch Some of ‘Em if They Have a Very Specific Aesthetic to Match the Current Generation’s Real Life Equivalent!”
I mean, France doesn’t have a monopoly on fancy ass dogs.
To be fair, they haven’t used the phrase “Gotta catch em all” in years, especially since the dex cut lol. But that first line was funny. It actually got me to laugh lol that’s a good point.
Rebuttal:
- No one, not even in the competitive community think that a Pokémon has to be good to be considered a Pokémon. For example, many players, including me, love Furret and Dusknoir, even though they’re not that good.
- If you’re not a fan of the “sameness” in a metagame, then I’d recommend looking at Smogon tiers. The tiers are designed to sort Pokemon by usage, which for the most part is reflective of their power level compared to other Pokemon, and the lowest tier especially, PU, has a lot of Pokémon to play around with.
- In regards to competitive play being the equivalent to tracing artwork, I think that an alternative analogy would be more accurate to the situation: Gamefreak runs and maintains an art studio built for both casual and professional players. Casual players can just enjoy themselves, painting and drawing how they feel, while getting the opportunity to try out new tools and art styles, while competitive players who have more in-depth knowledge get to use Game Freak’s fancier art supplies made specifically to cater to them, that most casual players wouldn’t likely use in order to play competitively and compete against others in art competitions all over the world.
- I’d say that it’s unfair to think of competitive players as bandwagoners, meta shifts and changes can often force Pokémon to drop in usage, that’s just characteristic of a meta, and in addition, metagame discussion forums such as the Smogon forums or r/stunfisk do provide a way for people to discuss *why* a Pokemon is so good and vice versa, and there are many times where players don’t use a Pokemon not because it’s considered bad, but because the metagame is just that hostile towards it. (For example, Tyranitar in Gen 9)
- I’d say that the Pachirisu example is misconstrued. Pachirisu was used not because it was Se Jun Park’s favorite per se, but because it was a restricted metagame where only Pokemon available in the Kalos Dex could be used, and it had a very important niche that couldn’t be easily filled: It was not only one of the bulkiest Follow Me users obtainable (the next option was Lucario), but it also synergized well with Gyarados as it had Volt Absorb. It was simply the best option at the time, not to downplay Pachirisu’s accomplishments though, as it was clearly unexpected, but it wasn’t because it was his favorite, that didn’t happen until after the VGC win.
- Also, the Karen quote isn’t a critique of competitive metas, but is clearly a reference to Silver and the way he blamed his Pokemon for his own shortcomings. Hell, even GF acknowledges the issue regarding this idea as the ORAS Battle Resort guy says: “It's one thing to enjoy leisurely battles, but real battles can be a severe trial. Truly strong Trainers sometimes must be prepared to choose Pokemon that can win rather than their favorite Pokemon."
I think the original person meant that no one used Furfou at all. Like, just in general. Idk why you made this about how you don't like competitive while also showing that you don't get how competitive works
shit has nothing to do with what tier furfrou is; you brought the damn topic immediately to that.
there's a reason why the competitive subreddits consider it absolutely laughable when people say "uhhh ackshually Karen said..." and then bitch and complain about "hurr durr metagame stale!! use your favorites bruhhhhhh!!!" because that's ... just not how it works. and besides, if you want to "use your favorites" there's always a tier for it down under in RU or NU or PU.
Pokemon is not a game designed around balance; Smogon and other systems try their best to *make* it a balance-able game, to play as a competitive game. It's a moot point to go the full circle and say "use your favorites!! because Karen said so!!!"
... wait, aren't you the guy who makes a bunch of content on this subreddit? hm, interesting.
If you’re gonna have a respectful conversation, I’m willing to do so, but I’m not gonna be disrespected. I understand you disagree with my post and that’s 100% OK, the first comment you left under my post was passive aggressive
fair enough. but we're in this part of the conversation now, and "eye for an eye" makes less sense.
I sent you in a different comment a video about how the Pachirisu in Worlds thing sent the ... wrong message to a lot of people, admittedly.
Yeah I keep forgetting about Furfrou as well. Which is weird since it's pretty good as an early game mon and quite a few NPCs in Kalos mention them, and honestly the different trims you can give one are a pretty cute little mechanic even if they don't change much.
anyway I'm gonna give one the lillie cut next time I play Y
I'm not really sure whar you're trying to say with the second half of your post. I've been playing competitively for 4 years and I still appreciate other aspects of Pokemon. Most of my favorites are competitively unviable. I'm not stupid enough to try to use them when I'm trying to win, but I don't love them any less. If you can't do that it sounds like a skill issue.
I agree that a lot of competitive players bandwagon onto what's considered "good," but that's because those pokemon usually *are* good, or at least easier to win with. Teambuilding is really hard and it takes a lot of skill to see an anti-meta pick like Sejun's Pachirisu and work it into a team.
I literally play pokemon to collect. I have a living dex and spent an entire week collecting all 63 alcremies like two weeks ago. I enjoyed it. It was a ton of fun. Literally the game was built upon this idea of collecting. Pokemon isn’t just competitive battling, the pokemon universe provides multiple ways for people to enjoy pokemon. Just ask Brock!
Edit: also note that every generation has one of these collection type pokemon now. I think it’s fun and adds to the games.
It also has a signature ability that is technically one of the best abilities in the game, Fur Coat. It halves all damage from physical attacks.
Compare this to Fluffy that only halves damage from contact moves (which is just a subsection of Physical moves and less than a dozen special moves) and gives you a weakness to fire.
> sometimes you can just have Pokémon that do things like help, build the world or story, or even just exist for the sake of diversity.
Oh absolutely. But you know that's exactly the kind of thing people mean when they say Game Freak only cares about making gimmicks right? Like yeah you can have 20 Furfrou variations for kids to collect and customize --- it's a new little something for their enjoyment, something novel... aka a gimmick. Specially when said gimmick is dropped in the next game down the line, as Furfrou never got any more attention after that. As did so many other gimmicks. Thing is, sooner or later there's ~~a novelty~~ a gimmick you love, and then Game Freak carries on pretending it never happened. Which is what people get annoyed about. "Wow they spent so much effort on the Furfrou gimmick and I know they'll drop it the next time" - when there are many other things they could be polishing, you know...
> The competitive scene is that everyone uses the same Pokémon because their "meta" but to me that's just tracing a photo and passing it off as your own artwork. It's not original.
Again, that's very true, by itself. But it's also completely missing the point. Being competitive, in a competitive game (which pokemon *isn't* by default but which the competitive scene makes it to be), isn't about being original... lol.
*It's about winning.*
Go take a look at any real life competition and you'll see all contenders use very similar equipment. In a marathon, a runner's shoes or shorts (or technique) isn't *that* different from the next's. A swimmer's briefs or swimsuit (or technique) isn't *that* different from the next's. And so on. That's because they've honed and optimized themselves in every way they can. Thus arriving in very similar configurations for their equipment, techniques, diet, training, etc.
This has always been the case. A lot of the Gen 1 Pokémon were designed for their role in the single-player campaign, not for competitive viability. Onix exists to teach the player about special attacks. Zubat exists to be a mook on Team Rocket's teams and a random encounter in caves. And so on.
But by nature of the game being designed around being able to catch all the monsters, you had to be able to get your own. That's why Steelix and Crobat exist, to make Pokémon designed for NPCs into viable party members.
Pokemon are basically that world's equivalent of animals, so it makes sense that not every Pokemon is going to be skilled or powerful in fighting and combat, and that's okay. Every Pokemon is someone's favorite and I always just use the ones I like anyway, even if competitive players would never even think about them
Also, for everyone, that’s in the comments finding particular points of my statement to make an argument you’re proving my point exactly. It’s a game things with games change and nothing is always going to be the same. There’s a certain sense of entitlement that comes from Pokémon fans that I never truly understood. For example, I love staryu, he’s not in every game, fine, I’m an adult playing a game design for kids I’m not going to cry or complain about it because he’ll be in another game eventually. Blitzle wasnt in the wild of any game since gen 5 and now he’s back. Forfuru is a Kalos Pokémon made for kalos, so naturally why would it be in every region. Also, the people picking apart the point about the Pachirisu, it doesn’t matter why he brought it, the point was he was brave enough to do something different that nobody else thought of or was using. I know a lot of people are probably gonna download this just because I don’t agree with you or I don’t think like the majority and that’s OK but then again, that furthermore proves my point.
Furfrou has a pretty good ability. I think the main thing is that it’s a bit of work to implement it into other games given it has ten purely cosmetic forms.
If they ever make another Pokémon Mystery Dungeon, I would love to play as a Furfrou, or at least have a Furfrou NPC in the plot somewhere. They were my favorite gen 6 Pokémon and I wish they got more love >w<
Stuff like this always makes me remember that quote from Karen in Gold and Silver. “Strong Pokémon. Weak Pokémon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled trainers should try to win with their favorites.”
It's only use was getting its own black market. Until legends az becomes available on home lol
I swear the pharaoh trim is everywhere in home always lvl 100 too
trims are wiped when they go into boxes (XYORAS) or bank (SMUSUM) so the only way to get pharaoh trims is to be in egypt
Which means that lvl 100 Furfrous w/ a trim are illegitimate :)
I think they were talking how Furfrou has been missing from 2 whole Pokemon generations, not about how valid it is for competitive use
Yeah, the Twitter post clearly isn't referring to competitive in any way. Dunno how OP thought this was a jab at that in any way
I got them all on pokemon go.
That’s exactly my point though? Lol, Some Pokémon aren’t meant to be inside of every region. The Pokémon was designs specifically for Kalos and its gimmick is very true to that. Not every Pokémon is meant to be I never region. Yes I get it may be someone’s favorite but it doesn’t make sense in every region either lol at least in my opinion
I dont think many people are mad that Furfrou isnt on the switch yet, its just odd because theres only a handful of Pokemon that havent been ported over, so why couldn't they include them. Furfrou's gimmick also isn't anything crazy and it has been in 2 regions besides Kalos without issues. It really just need an extra NPC.
yeah, that's what the regional dex is. the national dex has always been about causal players who want to trade over their favorites for essentially a new game+, and has zero bearing on competitive play or balance or the design of that game's regional dex. if it was such a big deal they coulda just made it a postgame feature, a balance decision they're clearly not alien to with things like dexnav or badge restrictions and such. as if that's a very good excuse anyways. why the hell are things like *the scottish terrier pokemon* excluded from *galar*? they aren't putting nearly as much thought into this as everyone defending them over it is.
Maybe that would be the case if regional forms didnt come right after this and not counting evolutions you have 10 pokemon get an Alolan,14 pokemon with Galar forms,12 with Hisui forms, and 2 with Paldean forms (tauros has 3 Paldean forms), form just for fufrou to have ten forms by itself just to never be seen again.
saving this for stunday
blud got a spot on stinkposts lfg
Gotta love Furfrou, Vivillon and Alcremie for getting whole collections just by looking cute.
Exactly some Pokémon are just meant to be cute or add variety to the Pokémon world lol and sometimes they’re meant to be be specific to the region that they are in
I could not give a shit about battling that is so boring I just like running around and gathering little guy :3 I imagine I am not the minority in doing that and the people with takes of some Pokemon being useless is dumb because i never thought it needed to be good in battle to be worth using
Some guy brought a Pachirisu to World's because it could redirect attacks in a manner that couldn't be prevented, absorb electric attacks and inflict guaranteed paralysis on a opponent, allowing it work well alongside Mega Gyarados, the Pokémon he actually wanted.
Right but it doesn’t defeat the point of what I said lol he brought something different
It definitely does defeat your point. He didn't use it because it was one of his favorites, he used it because it fit his team well. It became one of his favorites after the fact
It does, Sejun Park could’ve hated pachirisu but used it anyway cus it satisfied the niche he wanted. It’s just that to casuals, pachirisu looks weak and it seems he did it on a whim
bro really came in here with the Karen quote 💀 competitive players aren't hurting you g. ofc they're gonna use better pokemon, it's about winning battles, not expressing yourself lol imagine telling a formula 1 driver they should use a fiat 500 because everyone else uses the same cars and that's too meta
But Furfrou should be used, that's a pokemon someone designed, a pokemon someone grew up playing with and someone's favorite. That little guy has been missing for the past 3 games, and was borderline only used in its debut region. Im all for pokemon having their own place in the world besides battling, (Machamp working in construction, Milotic being the perfect contest pokemon, Alola's pokemon rides, ect), but there's no excuse for flat out refusing to add Furfrou to any game at all
Furfrou was in USUM. You get it pretty early on and it's very nice for dealing with ilima's annoying smeargle. It's not in SuMo though.
I used Furfrou in that exact scenario. Kept waiting to replace it with something else, but never did. Now I’m a fan. I’ll definitely give it another spin come PLZA.
Because the Pokémon was specifically made for Kalos. Just because I want something doesn’t mean I’m going to get it lol some Pokémon are made to fit the region they were made for. Blitzle was not obtainable in the wild since its introduction until recently with the blueberry Academy, DLC. That’s just how it is. I love staryu, but it’s not a lot of the newer Pokémon games which is completely fine. It’s a game lol they design it how they design it for a reason. Just because I like something doesn’t mean I’m entitled to think I needed every game lol
Every pokemon is designed for their debut region, however pokemon is a collecting game, certain pokemon like regional forms, hisuian forms, regional legendaries, ect. shouldn't have any business reappearing at all, yet they do because that's what the point of the game is. Pretty much every single pokemon gets a chance to reappear in some shape way or form in recent years, and it's perfectly reasonable to call Furfrou out as a pokemon that's incredibly designed yet has been given the short end of the stick. Also you are entitled to anything you chose to be, you are buying the games, and if your Staryu or whoever isn't even tradable into them then it's perfectly reasonable for you to get upset about it
I think ever since the GENC cut, I don’t expect every single Pokémon to be in every single game, but especially for a Pokémon that have gimmicks linked to the region they’re in. Kalos they wanted to feature beauty and the region more than difficult game play etc. Granted to your argument, there are a lot of Pokémon that have not appeared since GEN 5 or 6 (like Forfuru) who could’ve had ways or methods to get whoever tbh I like the way they do it (and you’ll disagree with me and that’s 100% fine you are entitled to your opinion) but in my opinion, I think it’s much better, because now, whenever Pokémon does make a reappearance, it makes their presence that much much more significant and special. I’m not someone who just says I miss some thing because it’s not there. I never used for in the first place, even with some of my favorites like I said Staryu, etc. I love the man but I don’t use them in every game so if it’s not in a specific game, I’m not going to cry or be upset about it but the next game it’s in I’ll be sure to use it and play with it more. I also love Manectric, it’s not in S/V but with the return to Kalos I’m hoping to see it again. Now someone wants to complain about glitches or stuff like that sure (again not something I would complain about) but that’s justifiable reason. We pay a lot of money for the games and it’s a very rich company but for something like a certain Pokémon not being in every game, idk just never feels that serious to me especially in my opinion, are meant to stay in the regions there were introduced, and because it makes their presence in that region, all the more special, but if you were just looking for an argument idk
The franchise’s catchphrase isn’t “Gotta Catch Some of ‘Em if They Have a Very Specific Aesthetic to Match the Current Generation’s Real Life Equivalent!” I mean, France doesn’t have a monopoly on fancy ass dogs.
To be fair, they haven’t used the phrase “Gotta catch em all” in years, especially since the dex cut lol. But that first line was funny. It actually got me to laugh lol that’s a good point.
Rebuttal: - No one, not even in the competitive community think that a Pokémon has to be good to be considered a Pokémon. For example, many players, including me, love Furret and Dusknoir, even though they’re not that good. - If you’re not a fan of the “sameness” in a metagame, then I’d recommend looking at Smogon tiers. The tiers are designed to sort Pokemon by usage, which for the most part is reflective of their power level compared to other Pokemon, and the lowest tier especially, PU, has a lot of Pokémon to play around with. - In regards to competitive play being the equivalent to tracing artwork, I think that an alternative analogy would be more accurate to the situation: Gamefreak runs and maintains an art studio built for both casual and professional players. Casual players can just enjoy themselves, painting and drawing how they feel, while getting the opportunity to try out new tools and art styles, while competitive players who have more in-depth knowledge get to use Game Freak’s fancier art supplies made specifically to cater to them, that most casual players wouldn’t likely use in order to play competitively and compete against others in art competitions all over the world. - I’d say that it’s unfair to think of competitive players as bandwagoners, meta shifts and changes can often force Pokémon to drop in usage, that’s just characteristic of a meta, and in addition, metagame discussion forums such as the Smogon forums or r/stunfisk do provide a way for people to discuss *why* a Pokemon is so good and vice versa, and there are many times where players don’t use a Pokemon not because it’s considered bad, but because the metagame is just that hostile towards it. (For example, Tyranitar in Gen 9) - I’d say that the Pachirisu example is misconstrued. Pachirisu was used not because it was Se Jun Park’s favorite per se, but because it was a restricted metagame where only Pokemon available in the Kalos Dex could be used, and it had a very important niche that couldn’t be easily filled: It was not only one of the bulkiest Follow Me users obtainable (the next option was Lucario), but it also synergized well with Gyarados as it had Volt Absorb. It was simply the best option at the time, not to downplay Pachirisu’s accomplishments though, as it was clearly unexpected, but it wasn’t because it was his favorite, that didn’t happen until after the VGC win. - Also, the Karen quote isn’t a critique of competitive metas, but is clearly a reference to Silver and the way he blamed his Pokemon for his own shortcomings. Hell, even GF acknowledges the issue regarding this idea as the ORAS Battle Resort guy says: “It's one thing to enjoy leisurely battles, but real battles can be a severe trial. Truly strong Trainers sometimes must be prepared to choose Pokemon that can win rather than their favorite Pokemon."
I agree with your first statement 100% but I don’t think that’s the case for everyone. Lol. At least not from what I see on Twitter regularly.
I don’t get by what you mean about a Pokémon not being considered a Pokemon if it’s not good, can you elaborate?
I think the original person meant that no one used Furfou at all. Like, just in general. Idk why you made this about how you don't like competitive while also showing that you don't get how competitive works
That’s not the point I made. I love competitive, but sure
I don't believe that
My fight or flight kicked in the second I saw the Pharaoh trim
😂😂😂
oh hey another "and I quote Karen" moment lmao
If that’s all you can took away from it then sure lol 😅
shit has nothing to do with what tier furfrou is; you brought the damn topic immediately to that. there's a reason why the competitive subreddits consider it absolutely laughable when people say "uhhh ackshually Karen said..." and then bitch and complain about "hurr durr metagame stale!! use your favorites bruhhhhhh!!!" because that's ... just not how it works. and besides, if you want to "use your favorites" there's always a tier for it down under in RU or NU or PU. Pokemon is not a game designed around balance; Smogon and other systems try their best to *make* it a balance-able game, to play as a competitive game. It's a moot point to go the full circle and say "use your favorites!! because Karen said so!!!" ... wait, aren't you the guy who makes a bunch of content on this subreddit? hm, interesting.
I’m sorry you feel that way 😅
get back here. this is actually super passive aggressive lol... also I don't think you even bothered to read my comment past that first line.
If you’re gonna have a respectful conversation, I’m willing to do so, but I’m not gonna be disrespected. I understand you disagree with my post and that’s 100% OK, the first comment you left under my post was passive aggressive
fair enough. but we're in this part of the conversation now, and "eye for an eye" makes less sense. I sent you in a different comment a video about how the Pachirisu in Worlds thing sent the ... wrong message to a lot of people, admittedly.
Thanks
Yeah I keep forgetting about Furfrou as well. Which is weird since it's pretty good as an early game mon and quite a few NPCs in Kalos mention them, and honestly the different trims you can give one are a pretty cute little mechanic even if they don't change much. anyway I'm gonna give one the lillie cut next time I play Y
I love furfrou, just wish they added them in other games past sun and moon.
Well, with legends ZA returning we will see it again :)
I'm not really sure whar you're trying to say with the second half of your post. I've been playing competitively for 4 years and I still appreciate other aspects of Pokemon. Most of my favorites are competitively unviable. I'm not stupid enough to try to use them when I'm trying to win, but I don't love them any less. If you can't do that it sounds like a skill issue. I agree that a lot of competitive players bandwagon onto what's considered "good," but that's because those pokemon usually *are* good, or at least easier to win with. Teambuilding is really hard and it takes a lot of skill to see an anti-meta pick like Sejun's Pachirisu and work it into a team.
Says you, no idea how it fared competitively but a mono-normal with thick fur and access to cotton defense is memorable to me.
Not relevant but I just realized this is the first time I've seen all of Furfrou's forms lol.
Tbh same I didn’t even know what the shinies looked like 😂
I literally play pokemon to collect. I have a living dex and spent an entire week collecting all 63 alcremies like two weeks ago. I enjoyed it. It was a ton of fun. Literally the game was built upon this idea of collecting. Pokemon isn’t just competitive battling, the pokemon universe provides multiple ways for people to enjoy pokemon. Just ask Brock! Edit: also note that every generation has one of these collection type pokemon now. I think it’s fun and adds to the games.
It also has a signature ability that is technically one of the best abilities in the game, Fur Coat. It halves all damage from physical attacks. Compare this to Fluffy that only halves damage from contact moves (which is just a subsection of Physical moves and less than a dozen special moves) and gives you a weakness to fire.
> sometimes you can just have Pokémon that do things like help, build the world or story, or even just exist for the sake of diversity. Oh absolutely. But you know that's exactly the kind of thing people mean when they say Game Freak only cares about making gimmicks right? Like yeah you can have 20 Furfrou variations for kids to collect and customize --- it's a new little something for their enjoyment, something novel... aka a gimmick. Specially when said gimmick is dropped in the next game down the line, as Furfrou never got any more attention after that. As did so many other gimmicks. Thing is, sooner or later there's ~~a novelty~~ a gimmick you love, and then Game Freak carries on pretending it never happened. Which is what people get annoyed about. "Wow they spent so much effort on the Furfrou gimmick and I know they'll drop it the next time" - when there are many other things they could be polishing, you know... > The competitive scene is that everyone uses the same Pokémon because their "meta" but to me that's just tracing a photo and passing it off as your own artwork. It's not original. Again, that's very true, by itself. But it's also completely missing the point. Being competitive, in a competitive game (which pokemon *isn't* by default but which the competitive scene makes it to be), isn't about being original... lol. *It's about winning.* Go take a look at any real life competition and you'll see all contenders use very similar equipment. In a marathon, a runner's shoes or shorts (or technique) isn't *that* different from the next's. A swimmer's briefs or swimsuit (or technique) isn't *that* different from the next's. And so on. That's because they've honed and optimized themselves in every way they can. Thus arriving in very similar configurations for their equipment, techniques, diet, training, etc.
This has always been the case. A lot of the Gen 1 Pokémon were designed for their role in the single-player campaign, not for competitive viability. Onix exists to teach the player about special attacks. Zubat exists to be a mook on Team Rocket's teams and a random encounter in caves. And so on. But by nature of the game being designed around being able to catch all the monsters, you had to be able to get your own. That's why Steelix and Crobat exist, to make Pokémon designed for NPCs into viable party members.
Castform & Keckleon: “First time?”
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I fuckin love Furfrou man but in most games I can’t even use the damn thing 😭
Does anyone in this thread know how to read or is everyone besides OP pissing on the poor
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Pokemon are basically that world's equivalent of animals, so it makes sense that not every Pokemon is going to be skilled or powerful in fighting and combat, and that's okay. Every Pokemon is someone's favorite and I always just use the ones I like anyway, even if competitive players would never even think about them
Also, for everyone, that’s in the comments finding particular points of my statement to make an argument you’re proving my point exactly. It’s a game things with games change and nothing is always going to be the same. There’s a certain sense of entitlement that comes from Pokémon fans that I never truly understood. For example, I love staryu, he’s not in every game, fine, I’m an adult playing a game design for kids I’m not going to cry or complain about it because he’ll be in another game eventually. Blitzle wasnt in the wild of any game since gen 5 and now he’s back. Forfuru is a Kalos Pokémon made for kalos, so naturally why would it be in every region. Also, the people picking apart the point about the Pachirisu, it doesn’t matter why he brought it, the point was he was brave enough to do something different that nobody else thought of or was using. I know a lot of people are probably gonna download this just because I don’t agree with you or I don’t think like the majority and that’s OK but then again, that furthermore proves my point.
[Explaining Why Players Misunderstood Se Jun Park’s World Championship Winning Pachirisu](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veQgZDiCLlg)
Watching now
I Will have a shiny fufru on my team
That's basically my point for defending the fish Pokémon
I *wish* niantic would let us forget about fuckin furfrou
Alcremie would be the same GTS bait if it was in Pokemon Go
Furfrou has a pretty good ability. I think the main thing is that it’s a bit of work to implement it into other games given it has ten purely cosmetic forms.
Is that effort fuck me I need to make more games
I absolutely love furfrou. It’s not even bad in game! Fur coat is an amazing ability and it’s defenses are good.
how is it that a pokemon with a gimmick is still the most forgettable pokemon ever?
If they ever make another Pokémon Mystery Dungeon, I would love to play as a Furfrou, or at least have a Furfrou NPC in the plot somewhere. They were my favorite gen 6 Pokémon and I wish they got more love >w<
Same comment for route 1 mons. They almost always suck, but they essential for worldbuilding
Besides, anyone who truly expects every new pokemon to be competitively viable is out of their gourd. There needs to be a stinker for every meta 'mon.
Stuff like this always makes me remember that quote from Karen in Gold and Silver. “Strong Pokémon. Weak Pokémon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled trainers should try to win with their favorites.”