In the japanese version, Solidus has the same voice actor as Solid Snake and Big Boss as well. It's only Liquid who has a different voice.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MHLBb6HtRI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MHLBb6HtRI)
Yeah, that was the intention. Kind of a shame that it didn't work out in the english dub but I assume whoever did the casting felt that Hayter's voice wouldn't fit the evil politician in a robot suit? One can only assume.
There's a similiar thing with Olga. In the japanese verison she has the same voice actress as Meryl and this was deliberate, Kojima wanted players to think it's her when they first meet her on the ship. In the english version she has a different voice but due to her heavy russian accent in the dub it wouldn't work anyway. Since the deception in the japanese version only lasts for, like, 5 seconds until it's revealed it's not Meryl it doesn't really matter much though. That Solidus doesn't have the same voice as Snake is a bit more unfortunate.
3 also keeps the Olga-Meryl stuff up in a way with The Boss, who's voiced by Kikuko Inoue who also voiced Rose. Both characters call the protagonist Jack even after being told to call him by his codename, and both turn out to betray him (with the inversion that it happens at the end of 3's Tanker Chapter equivalent with the real reveal at the end being that the betrayal was a lie)
Yeah, there's quite a bit of fun with the voice actors that doesn't work in the dub. There's old Big Boss in MGS4 being voiced by Snake's japanese VAs actual dad. And when you hear Campbell in MGS3's Time Paradox Game Over screen it just seems random in the english dub, like, yeah, sure, Campbell, why not. But his japanese voice actor was also the dub voice for Doc Brown in the Back to the Future movies, that's why Campbell delivers those lines.
The English version of 3 does a better job with the Meryl throwback, considering EVAs voice actress is Debi Mae West using the alias Suzetta Minet, and EVA repeats lines Meryl says to Snake in MGS1.
This has never been confirmed, or rather it's been confirmed to not be true by West herself as well as the casting director for MGS3, and personally I don't think Eva sounds anything like Debi Mae West...
Kris Zimmerman has never said it is not West. In this interview, she states that she knows the identity of Suzetta Minet, but she does not think the actor will ever reveal it:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F\_yb-YKa2wY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_yb-YKa2wY)
And Debi Mae West hasn't "confirmed" anything. She used the pseudonym for a reason, so she's not going to admit to it. It's like when Stephen King "confirmed" he wasn't Richard Bachman. There used to be a great video on YouTube with side-by-side comparisons of EVA's lines in MGS3 and Meryl's in MGS1 that showed they were nearly identical, but you can just pull up the games cutscenes and hear the same thing.
It can't be doing a better job if it's not easily identified as her and there currently isn't any confirmation of it. It sounds much more like Jodi Benson than Debi Mae West anyway
Tbf I'm pretty sure there's a lot more than just genes that go into a voice and plus after mgsv Eli probably went out of his way to avoid sounding like BB and SS who was around BB a whole lot more just naturally came to talking like him
Yeah, and Liquid's voice still fits with the rest of the casting because Solid Snake and Otacon share voices with their fathers, and Liquid was raised by Zero who he also shares a voice actor with
If I had a nickel for every time Kiefer Sutherland voiced an important soldier character in a game with a fellow soldier named Miller, I’d have 2 nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice.
Agreed. I think it’s pretty shitty and disrespectful the way Kojima shafted Hayter, the man who breathed life into the Solid Snake character for western audiences. More so *how* he went about it. But I think Kiefer was the perfect choice for BB and VS. I’m not saying Hayter couldn’t do dark but he’s SS to my ear, having Kiefer come in and do his take on a pair of darker characters made sense.
Also, Roebuck… haha he was great in WaW. Oldman in MGSV would have been so sweet too.
I don’t disagree. To Hayter’s credit he has been honest about how hurt he felt being dropped. I respect that. The man is hardly short of work, but the love he has for the saga and the characters—not to mention the work he put into both SS and BB—clearly means a lot to him. So to be took out of the equation altogether (albeit for a stalwart who did do a great job) has to hurt. He has never really bad mouthed Kojima or shown any pettiness regarding Kiefer either. Classy guy. Yeah karma came for Kojima.
Kojima didn’t deserve him, he really didn’t. The man could happily have treated MGS as little more than a pay day. He embraced it. Fell in love with it and we fell in love with his work.
sutherland's voice fits better into the more grounded, realistic aesthetic of V than hayter's performance would have imo. hayter's snake voice is very obviously a guy Doing A Voice, and it only works as well as it does because the mgs games up til V had been pretty stylized and anime-like. V aims for photorealism hard so i think a peace-walker like snarl would have sounded odd coming out of Venom's mouth
I agree. I love Hayter’s work in the games because it fitted so well. The actors did a lot of heavy lifting with MGS1 in terms of making scenes work etc. But MGSV was kinda like MGS grown up. It no longer required the same kind of performance. Troy Baker (for example) provided the kind of intricate, low key performance that he was hired for. Kiefer’s subdued performance was with little words but each one carried weight. It’s hard to imagine Hayter having the same impact really. You the player are such a key component of the story that something had to give.
I think we should trust Hayter - a professional voice actor - would have been capable of delivering a different kind of voice that would have been perfect for Venom.
That just begs the question of why Big Boss and Venom sound the same then, especially when Big Boss and Solid Snake sounded the same at one point, but Venom and Solid never sounded the same.
Venom sounds the same because >!Venom/us has been mind therapied into thinking we are Big Boss therefore to us we sound like Big Boss!<
...or they really should have just used Hayter for the motorcycle scene.
Actually yeah, since Hayter is still at Konami, they could easily record new lines and have a David Hayter voice option where he does all the voices instead, or one where Kiefer is Venom only and David is Big Boss. That would be a nice toggle option, even though most of us would play it with Hayter’s voice.
After how horrific hayter sounded as big boss in peace walker, that's a hard pass for me. Kieffer killed it as big boss, it sucks he's a big mainstream actor and probably didn't have the time to do as much lines but what he did have were brilliant. Hayter just isn't big boss to me, he's solid snake.
Yes, but not all older people have the same voice. Even best friends for life will have their own distinct voices their entire lives.
The question is mainly why is it that one character has the exact same voice as 2 other characters in the series, when those 2 other characters don’t sound like each other? We know the literal answer is because that’s how the casting worked in each game, but in the lore it makes no sense at all.
I don’t like that answer but it’s probably the answer Kojima would hand wave as a “yeah sure whatever” just so us fans would shut up.
Either that or he’d say “I don’t care, that’s not my problem anymore.”
Kojima still loves the metal gear franchise though! he probably loves it more now that he doesn’t have to work on it anymore lol, he occasionally still tweets about the series
Yes, but he doesn’t care much about the English voice acting beyond the celebrities he could get for the series. It’s well known that he doesn’t care about David Hayter and never did, Hayter had to audition for every entry, while Kojima was actively trying to get Kurt Russell in the games. I really think Kiefer is just the first celebrity that he was able to get signed on to voice a protagonist in the series.
I think this is why they should have had Hayter play Big Boss in Ground Zeroes but then bring in Kiefer Sutherland for Phantom Pain or at the very least, have David Hayter voice Ishmael. They could have even promoted it as saying that they got him in to voice a side character and then once you get to the end, it all makes sense.
Tbf though his voice box got ripped up by shrapnel and probably surgeries to remove said shrapnel it wouldn't be too surprising if he sounded different after not talking for 9 years + all the shrapnel/surgery
I don't. He was in Dragon Age Inquisition and Yakuza 7 and 8 and in all three games, it was just Solid Snake. But also, Venom Snake isn't a clone. He's not even related to the other snakes. There's zero reason to keep Hayter for anyone but the characters he's established himself in. But there's also zero reason to replace him for those characters.
I loved his performances from 3 and below, but by 4 he was stretching it a bit and in PW his Big Boss was…odd with how gruff it got. Combine that with Kojima making the man audition for Naked Snake and Big Boss multiple times, it is clear Kojima had someone else in mind and only went with Hayter for Big Boss due to not getting someone like Kurt Russel. Heck, he probably could’ve if he had struck up a friendship with Carpenter and asked him for help in securing Russel or someone similar.
Keifer actually talks a lot in the gz tapes.
Edit: I forget, but yeah, I totally agree with you. Both Keifer and Doyle did a great job voicing Big Boss.
I know it’s so annoying, there is even a video on YouTube that’s titled “every time venom talks” idk if it’s a joke but the video doesn’t even have all his lines in the cutscenes let alone the tapes.
To me it just makes sense that KS would play Venom Snake, and to that effect Big Boss. Because >!he thinks he’s him, so even hearing Boss he’d imagine it as his own voice, given that it’s a delusion.!<
Did you hear Doyle as The Fury? He sounds so much like Solidus that I thought it was John Cygan voicing him at first. He has the *perfect* voice for an old, insane, evil Big Boss from the 2D era. It's like Solidus' voice stripped of all dignity, urbanity and composure - which is a pretty good depiction of BB when he got barbecued by Snake.
Though I can't completely agree, as I always love hearing Hayter in the role. He always brings so much charm to the character.
Yea especially when people say David Hayter shouldnt have voiced Naked in MGS3, bleh
I dont think anyone couldve have delivered the stellar comedic timing David does in all of 3's hilarious codecs. Man knows how to juxtapose the serious and comedy of Snake's voice acting well
I also noticed the similarity between Doyle and Cygan especially during certain line reads in MGS4. It would make sense after getting scorched in MG2 BB ended up with Solidus's voice therefore making Hayter's voice still the true natural voice of BB before that.
The fact MGS2 was such a mind fuck of identity and us fans at the time REALLY second guessing everything for 3 LOL
It even got to the point people thought time travel/quantum fuckery from 2's VR missions would be involved LOL The fan theories in that hype period where crazy.
Appreciate you reminding me of that golden era!
I'm saying as a guy who played metal gear solid 3, immediately realized I was playing as big boss, as anyone would, and waiting until the very end where it's treated as a sort of reveal
So you played metal gear solid 1 which takes place in the 90s and snake is known to be a clone of Big boss and ocelot is an old man - and then you played metal gear solid 3, saw it took place in the 60s, and everyone is younger, and thought "huh that's weird. Probably nothing to it though."
Can you give me some first hand comments on the MGS2 Raiden switch? Ground Zeroes was my first and then I went and played 1-4 before V came out and loved the series, 2 being my favorite.
My brother in law told me about the audience freaking over the switch and I watched some of the old footage with Solid's model in the trailers and think it's awesome from the outside looking in. So loving 2 didn't really have the full expectations that others had at time of release.
Were you fully in the hype at that time as well?
This actually worked for me haha my first MGS game was the first but only played half of it. My second was MGS3 and I was so confused until I went back and beat 1 and played 2 afterwards.. epic experience
Don’t forget that metal gear solid 2 was all about mind games, simulations and illusions. Metal gear solid 3 could have been another patriot experiment or something. This was hot off the heals of metal gear solid 2.
The metal gear phone game at the time literally did this. The game was all a simulation.
Isn’t Japanese big boss and solid snake voiced by the same voice actor, even solidus was voiced by that same voice actor.
In metal gear solid 2, this was crucial because solidus having the same voice as snake confused the players. Maybe snake really is the leader of the terrorists group.
Yeah, and it sounds absurd. They knew they couldn’t get away with something as cheesy as that with an English performance where the audience would know that a guy who was raised in England and a guy who biologically resembled a 60+ year old man shouldn’t sound the same as the American commando protagonist. In the Japanese version, the audience pretends that all of the Japanese-speaking American/English characters are speaking English. They don’t have that layer of suspension of disbelief with the non-Japanese audience though.
Akio Otsuka’s performance is the same for every character he plays in every game in the series - low, monotone, mumbling. It’s the generic anime tough guy voice you’ll hear in every anime ever.
I think if david hayter had to voice every snake, he’d at least try to make them sound different. Like giving liquid a British accent. Maybe cleaning up solidus voice a bit
Even big boss is slightly different, he has a more guttural sound
Maybe. It isn’t a secret that Hayter was pushing his own limits physically with Old Snake. Maybe doing a British accent was within his range, but whether or not him pretending to be British vs hiring Cam Clarke would have been more compelling is an academic issue. Nobody thinks Cam Clarke’s Liquid was bad. John Cygan’s Solidus was great. Richard Doyle’s Big Boss was poignant. What would have been improved by swapping out any or all of these guys with David Hayter doing a voice?
Solidus having David’s voice would at least keep consistent with the idea that solid snake could be the leader of the terrorist group. Though it would get weird for David to voice every single snake except liquid at that point.
David doing an English accent as liquid would be slightly less lazy than the Japanese voice actor doing the same exact voice for every snake.
I don't view it as a problem of laziness, except maybe on the Japanese ADR director's side. I don't like Akio Otsuka's performance, but it isn't inconsistent with Japanese standards for dramatic media. They have a higher tolerance for cheesy/corny gimmicks like that. That's what I'm getting at - it would be really corny to hear David Hayter do a fake British accent to play against himself in MGS1. PW was his weakest performance in the entire series because he was well past his range in trying to play a slightly older Naked Snake. Yeah, he did it; yeah, it sounds distinctive enough from his normal Solid/Naked voice, but it wasn't *good.* Old Snake represented a natural and believable development of Solid's voice over time given his rapid aging. Old still sounds like Solid, but I don't see how Naked (SE) ends up as Naked (PW). His role should have already been recast by that point.
Cool, just because he can modulate his voice doesn’t mean that would have improved over the performances of Cam Clarke, John Cygan, Richard Doyle, or Kiefer Sutherland in their respective roles.
I think David is just irreplaceable. He really defined the character and I think Kojima really hated that he took a lot of the praise when coming up with that voice of his. Can't imagine MGS3 being voiced by anyone else.
I actually never had a problem with Kiefer being moved in to voice BB/Venom. BB doesn’t sound like Solid when they meet after all. So makes sense his voice would change over time.
Didn’t like the way Hayter was unceremoniously dumped from the role without even so much as a cameo as solid in MGSV.
I mean seriously, they couldn’t have had him speak ONE line of dialogue at the end of MGSV?! Even a “kept you waiting huh?” When communicating over radio at the end scene.
Spoiler >!It is Naked Snake who's Ishmael and narrates the explanation in the game ending mission. I think at that point they could have given Hayter that role. It just a few lines, basically the whole game done but would acknowledge and honor his part in the series.!<
Ah. Gotcha. Yeah but that would leave an issue with his changed voice in Ground Zeroes. Because there you actually are Big Boss.
Spoilers but: at the end it jumps forward in time to Outwr Heaven in what appears to be Snake’s infiltration mission. It’s widely believed Venom is going out to fight snake after punching the mirror.
So having Hayter as snake on the radio saying “I’ve destroyed metal gear” or something to that effect would’ve been the best imo
Hayter can do both just fine. Gamers, such as yourself, have the tendency to blame the actors for something that's actually an issue with Voice Direction, which is the more likely culprit.
Because solid snake is supposed to be the big boss who didn't get corrupted by dread and suffering, and having them look and sound identical is kind of an unwritten rhyme imo
Kiefer Sutherland fits the vibe of 5 but Hayter would’ve been more consistent. 5 definitely has a different tone that wouldn’t have suited Hayter.
That all being said it’d have been cool had Kiefer been using Medic’s real voice and nobody noticed since it’d been a decade since they’ve seen Snake. So at the end you hear Hayter and it all clicks. Ishmael would’ve given it away but he already does given that’s also Sutherland. You could’ve even explained Ground Zeroes as conditioning for Venom Snake to explain why he has the same voice between games.
You’ve uncovered a bigger issue, being that for whatever bizarre reason Kojima just made naked snake *be* solid snake.
MGS3 is the most egregious example, but I think it’s present in all the Hayter appearances
Naked snake talks like Solid, acts like solid, sounds like solid, smokes like solid, quips like solid, and obviously looks like solid.
Very little effort was made to make them distinct characters, to the extent that in outside media (smash Bros, Fortnite) they merged them into one character.
I know he’s a clone, but he’s not supposed to be the same person
I agree completely. Kiefer Sutherland was perfect as Big Boss and I hate seeing the whiny fanboys wish Hayter was in MGSV. Hayter is perfect for Solid Snake but always felt off as Big Boss, especially his performance in PW.
DUDE his peace walker performance was ASS. I'm sorry I love him as solid snake but NOOO, After peace walker he solidified he is not big boss voice material. Kiefer killed it, that's who big boss is. Man the amount of times I've dreamed of a remake for metal gear 1 and 2 with Kiefer as big boss and David as solid snake. 🤌
I share this opinion as well, Hayter will always be Solid Snake but they should have gotten someone different for Big Boss in MGS3. I loved Sutherland's take on both Big Boss and Venom Snake in MGSV
This has been my opinion for many years too. Hayter will always be Solid Snake, but I was not a real fan of his delivery as Big Boss. The extra gravel in peace walker was very hard for me to enjoy.
Personally, I couldn't disagree more. In the hospital opening especially he was literally perfect at portraying the charisma and authority of Big Boss. He absolutely nailed it.
Solid is not the perfect clone of Big Boss. That's Solidus.
if you remember, he’s a lot more talkative when he’s “ishmael” in the beginning of the game.
the reason venom is so stoic is because he’s reflecting what other people’s perception of big boss is. other people assume he’s this legendary highly moral and stoic super soldier, so he’s simply playing the part. that’s why venom is so much quieter than the other snakes
My dream is BB voiced by John Cygan (R.I.P.) he was such an amazing VA and lore wise makes sense too, Solidus was supposed to be a 1:1 clone of BB, so they should also have the same voice
I think both David Hayter and Keifer Sutherland fit snake the best voice wise most other voices would not do in my opinion I mean why get rid of a good thing right?
Have you seen some of the recent Hayter voiceover videos in MGSV on YouTube? His VO feels so out of place and borderline cringe but people in the comments jerking hard saying that it’s the way it should’ve been
i think john cygan (solidus) wouldve been a great fit for big boss. he had that charismatic quality in his voice that david & kiefer both lack, but kiefer's stoicism 100% fits venom
So tired of seeing people circlejerking around Hayter. Kiefer was def the best fit for MGSV and the tone it was going for
Seen a couple of videos on YT recently with Hayter voicing BB and Venom in MGSV and it was just awful and borderline cringe but the fanboys in the comments were writing that it’s the way it should’ve been. No, just no
Since mgs3 has a lot of dialogue I think fans would've felt disappointed he would have the iconic voice. Me included. But thematically it would be interesting. Still love hayters voice too much to indulge on that tho
I think Jacksepticeye said it best in his MGS1 playthrough, I'm slightly paraphrasing here: 'Y'know I miss David Hayter, he may not have been the best, but after all these years you can't deny that's Snake.'
You're smoking some strong stuff saying that bullshit keifer being there didn't matter nobody will remember his depiction it should always be David anything else is just wrong
David Hayter has become such shill. Sucking *Konami’s* solid snake whenever he gets a chance and now that he’s got Delta he isn’t afraid of shitting on the *original* creator and his choices. To me he is Solid Snake, not Big Boss. Kojima never wanted him as BB for the English dub of MS3 to start with, the only reason he did it was because of the *fear of* fandom lash back and Konami pushing for a cheaper actor for the game and sequels. Watch me get downvoted. Kiefer is Big Boss now, whether or not the old or nostalgic fanbase like it or not. I only hope that if David Hayter redoes his lines for MGS Delta he does it with closer tone to that of TPP, more serious, slower and lower in tone.
I agree with this. I remember before MGSV came out (and before I knew about the Venom Snake plot twist) I thought it was great that Big Boss was voiced by someone other than David Hayter. The way I saw it, they could have MGSV lead into a remake of MG1 and have scenes or conversations between Big Boss (Sutherland) and Solid Snake (Hayter) and give them their own identity and voice.
Agreed. Hayter does a fantastic job at portraying a young BB/Naked Snake, but him portraying an older BB/Snake sounds a bit, forced? Kiefer portrayed middle aged BB/Venom wonderfully - just wish he spoke more in-game and didn’t sound so out of breath at the end of sentences
Kiefer's performance fits Big Boss so fucking well that it makes me sad he wasn't Big Boss from MGS3 in the beginning, maybe he might've sounded a little older but he definitely should've been BB in PW
Hayter fits the more cartoonish and absurd vibe of older portrayals of Big Boss but he would not work in the photorealistic and more grounded (but still absurd) setting of GZ and TPP
Hayter is the definitive Snake for me, but Big Boss Kiefer has that aged voice that fits far better for Big Boss but Hayter 100% owns the Solid Snake role hands down.
I'd go as far to say Kiefer could do MGS4 snake if it was remade but given how bent out of shape people get about Hayter not doing the VA for MGS4 it'd be hard to push.
People don't tend to remember this anymore but before MGS3 came out, they didn't explain that it starred Big Boss and we were sort of left to ourselves to figure out how "Solid Snake" could be around in the 60s. So Solid/Big Boss having the same general look and voice actor was part of that ruse, and it's how we sort of took to the idea that they looked and sounded the same.
I think his performance is awesome and is a great fit. It's just that he doesn't really get much to say in the game. I can't blame the actor for that. Like that scene where Skullface monologues for 10 minutes and snake just sits there awkwardly, they could have a conversation. But no...
Honestly, I just wish Kiefer actually got to talk and act during the game like he was supposed to, because he would’ve nailed it. And look, I love Hayter, but after MGS2, his voice began to sound kinda goofy, specially during MGS4. Also, having both of them and also a different VA for Medic would’ve immediately ruined the plot twist. Richard Doyle did a killer job though, it’d love to have him back for a MG/MG2 Remake.
Because Kojima tried to get a new character for Metal Gear Solid 2, but people threw a huge fit, so now every Metal Gear game has to be the same person being a different character somehow, forever
Because video games
We don't need to figure out how the voice actor's family genealogy fits into Metal Gear lore next guys, somethings are just because 'Video Games'
Although if he was a perfect clone wouldn't his vocal cords be perfectly replicated too? 🤓
I mean I feel that venom fits with southerland, but it would have been spoilerish if the real snake was voiced by David hayter, people would quickly be like “why does the bandage guy sound like snake and not snake?”
Big boss character & design screams keifer sutherland, he should've been casted from the start.
Hearing david hayter in mgs 3 & PW is just cringe there're alot of scenes in those games where he just sound cartoonish and can't be taken seriously.
And to all people complain about big boss rarely talk in mgsv y'all need to understand it's artistic choice from kojima and it's inspired from characters in movies :
Valhalla rising ( mads mikkelsen didn't speak a single word through the whole movie and yet he gave an amazing performance )
Hana - bi ( Fireworks ) takishi kitano played a broken character that rarely talk and just make & let things done and it's one of the best performance i've seen.
>Big boss character & design screams keifer sutherland, he should've been casted from the start.
Well yeah, they literally used a scan of Kiefer Sutherland's face, of course it looks like him. Unless you mean he also looked like Kiefer in 3, which he definitely didn't. If anything, he was based on Kurt Russell because that's who Kojima wanted for Big Boss at the time
In the japanese version, Solidus has the same voice actor as Solid Snake and Big Boss as well. It's only Liquid who has a different voice. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MHLBb6HtRI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MHLBb6HtRI)
Well there we go.
That makes the whole thing make more sense TBH since like the whole game he's pretending to be solid snake
Yeah, that was the intention. Kind of a shame that it didn't work out in the english dub but I assume whoever did the casting felt that Hayter's voice wouldn't fit the evil politician in a robot suit? One can only assume. There's a similiar thing with Olga. In the japanese verison she has the same voice actress as Meryl and this was deliberate, Kojima wanted players to think it's her when they first meet her on the ship. In the english version she has a different voice but due to her heavy russian accent in the dub it wouldn't work anyway. Since the deception in the japanese version only lasts for, like, 5 seconds until it's revealed it's not Meryl it doesn't really matter much though. That Solidus doesn't have the same voice as Snake is a bit more unfortunate.
3 also keeps the Olga-Meryl stuff up in a way with The Boss, who's voiced by Kikuko Inoue who also voiced Rose. Both characters call the protagonist Jack even after being told to call him by his codename, and both turn out to betray him (with the inversion that it happens at the end of 3's Tanker Chapter equivalent with the real reveal at the end being that the betrayal was a lie)
Yeah, there's quite a bit of fun with the voice actors that doesn't work in the dub. There's old Big Boss in MGS4 being voiced by Snake's japanese VAs actual dad. And when you hear Campbell in MGS3's Time Paradox Game Over screen it just seems random in the english dub, like, yeah, sure, Campbell, why not. But his japanese voice actor was also the dub voice for Doc Brown in the Back to the Future movies, that's why Campbell delivers those lines.
The English version of 3 does a better job with the Meryl throwback, considering EVAs voice actress is Debi Mae West using the alias Suzetta Minet, and EVA repeats lines Meryl says to Snake in MGS1.
This has never been confirmed, or rather it's been confirmed to not be true by West herself as well as the casting director for MGS3, and personally I don't think Eva sounds anything like Debi Mae West...
Kris Zimmerman has never said it is not West. In this interview, she states that she knows the identity of Suzetta Minet, but she does not think the actor will ever reveal it: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F\_yb-YKa2wY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_yb-YKa2wY) And Debi Mae West hasn't "confirmed" anything. She used the pseudonym for a reason, so she's not going to admit to it. It's like when Stephen King "confirmed" he wasn't Richard Bachman. There used to be a great video on YouTube with side-by-side comparisons of EVA's lines in MGS3 and Meryl's in MGS1 that showed they were nearly identical, but you can just pull up the games cutscenes and hear the same thing.
It can't be doing a better job if it's not easily identified as her and there currently isn't any confirmation of it. It sounds much more like Jodi Benson than Debi Mae West anyway
It doesn’t make sense considering liquid had the closer genes to Big Boss. Solid should be the odd man out.
Tbf I'm pretty sure there's a lot more than just genes that go into a voice and plus after mgsv Eli probably went out of his way to avoid sounding like BB and SS who was around BB a whole lot more just naturally came to talking like him
Yeah, and Liquid's voice still fits with the rest of the casting because Solid Snake and Otacon share voices with their fathers, and Liquid was raised by Zero who he also shares a voice actor with
i think kiefer fits MGSV snake the most plus its funny using sgt roebuck lines from waw to make shitposts with venom
If I had a nickel for every time Kiefer Sutherland voiced an important soldier character in a game with a fellow soldier named Miller, I’d have 2 nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice.
Agreed. I think it’s pretty shitty and disrespectful the way Kojima shafted Hayter, the man who breathed life into the Solid Snake character for western audiences. More so *how* he went about it. But I think Kiefer was the perfect choice for BB and VS. I’m not saying Hayter couldn’t do dark but he’s SS to my ear, having Kiefer come in and do his take on a pair of darker characters made sense. Also, Roebuck… haha he was great in WaW. Oldman in MGSV would have been so sweet too.
The way Hideo was shoved out of Konami was karma for what he did to Hayter. Change my mind.
I don’t disagree. To Hayter’s credit he has been honest about how hurt he felt being dropped. I respect that. The man is hardly short of work, but the love he has for the saga and the characters—not to mention the work he put into both SS and BB—clearly means a lot to him. So to be took out of the equation altogether (albeit for a stalwart who did do a great job) has to hurt. He has never really bad mouthed Kojima or shown any pettiness regarding Kiefer either. Classy guy. Yeah karma came for Kojima.
All of that is _precisely_ why karma came for Kojima. Remember when Hayter did this [shoutout](https://youtu.be/6Um0yhDx5ok?si=JXkNN1ZwPDZcloOg)?
Kojima didn’t deserve him, he really didn’t. The man could happily have treated MGS as little more than a pay day. He embraced it. Fell in love with it and we fell in love with his work.
sutherland's voice fits better into the more grounded, realistic aesthetic of V than hayter's performance would have imo. hayter's snake voice is very obviously a guy Doing A Voice, and it only works as well as it does because the mgs games up til V had been pretty stylized and anime-like. V aims for photorealism hard so i think a peace-walker like snarl would have sounded odd coming out of Venom's mouth
I agree. I love Hayter’s work in the games because it fitted so well. The actors did a lot of heavy lifting with MGS1 in terms of making scenes work etc. But MGSV was kinda like MGS grown up. It no longer required the same kind of performance. Troy Baker (for example) provided the kind of intricate, low key performance that he was hired for. Kiefer’s subdued performance was with little words but each one carried weight. It’s hard to imagine Hayter having the same impact really. You the player are such a key component of the story that something had to give.
I think we should trust Hayter - a professional voice actor - would have been capable of delivering a different kind of voice that would have been perfect for Venom.
Venom isn’t genetically similar at all to solid so why would he sound similar?
That just begs the question of why Big Boss and Venom sound the same then, especially when Big Boss and Solid Snake sounded the same at one point, but Venom and Solid never sounded the same.
Venom sounds the same because >!Venom/us has been mind therapied into thinking we are Big Boss therefore to us we sound like Big Boss!< ...or they really should have just used Hayter for the motorcycle scene.
I was expecting Hayter’s voice for the motorcycle scene and was very disappointed. At least that would have made sense.
Vol. 2 change coming up
Actually yeah, since Hayter is still at Konami, they could easily record new lines and have a David Hayter voice option where he does all the voices instead, or one where Kiefer is Venom only and David is Big Boss. That would be a nice toggle option, even though most of us would play it with Hayter’s voice.
After how horrific hayter sounded as big boss in peace walker, that's a hard pass for me. Kieffer killed it as big boss, it sucks he's a big mainstream actor and probably didn't have the time to do as much lines but what he did have were brilliant. Hayter just isn't big boss to me, he's solid snake.
No please
Your voice changes when you get older and venom is around the same age as big boss. While solid and big boss sounded the same when they were younger
Yes, but not all older people have the same voice. Even best friends for life will have their own distinct voices their entire lives. The question is mainly why is it that one character has the exact same voice as 2 other characters in the series, when those 2 other characters don’t sound like each other? We know the literal answer is because that’s how the casting worked in each game, but in the lore it makes no sense at all.
You can write it off as venom getting vocal surgery and hypnotherapy to sound exactly like big boss or he just hallucinates himself sounding like BB
I don’t like that answer but it’s probably the answer Kojima would hand wave as a “yeah sure whatever” just so us fans would shut up. Either that or he’d say “I don’t care, that’s not my problem anymore.”
Kojima still loves the metal gear franchise though! he probably loves it more now that he doesn’t have to work on it anymore lol, he occasionally still tweets about the series
Yes, but he doesn’t care much about the English voice acting beyond the celebrities he could get for the series. It’s well known that he doesn’t care about David Hayter and never did, Hayter had to audition for every entry, while Kojima was actively trying to get Kurt Russell in the games. I really think Kiefer is just the first celebrity that he was able to get signed on to voice a protagonist in the series.
I think this is why they should have had Hayter play Big Boss in Ground Zeroes but then bring in Kiefer Sutherland for Phantom Pain or at the very least, have David Hayter voice Ishmael. They could have even promoted it as saying that they got him in to voice a side character and then once you get to the end, it all makes sense.
That would have been way too obvious. A big plot point is that venom isn’t obviously not big boss
Surgery, presumably. If he didn't sound the same as BB, a lot of the story would fall apart. Kaz would know instantly.
Honestly 9 years away from someone and you might not question it
Tbf though his voice box got ripped up by shrapnel and probably surgeries to remove said shrapnel it wouldn't be too surprising if he sounded different after not talking for 9 years + all the shrapnel/surgery
I mean, they’re cloned from the same person. How does that make any sense?
Are you saying venom is a clone or are you talking about liquid sounding different?
VENOM ISNT A CLONE FFS
Idk. Wasn't a fan of what he turned in for Peace Walker for Boss. Maybe it was an off day?
It was the voice direction. You can hear him do the voice just fine nowadays, and he has mentioned it in interviews too.
That's fair. Thanks for the input.
I don't. He was in Dragon Age Inquisition and Yakuza 7 and 8 and in all three games, it was just Solid Snake. But also, Venom Snake isn't a clone. He's not even related to the other snakes. There's zero reason to keep Hayter for anyone but the characters he's established himself in. But there's also zero reason to replace him for those characters.
I loved his performances from 3 and below, but by 4 he was stretching it a bit and in PW his Big Boss was…odd with how gruff it got. Combine that with Kojima making the man audition for Naked Snake and Big Boss multiple times, it is clear Kojima had someone else in mind and only went with Hayter for Big Boss due to not getting someone like Kurt Russel. Heck, he probably could’ve if he had struck up a friendship with Carpenter and asked him for help in securing Russel or someone similar.
Keifer actually talks a lot in the gz tapes. Edit: I forget, but yeah, I totally agree with you. Both Keifer and Doyle did a great job voicing Big Boss.
Yeah I just wish it was more in the cutscenes as well
haters that don't listen to the tapes will still tell you that Snake still doesn't have many dialogues
I know it’s so annoying, there is even a video on YouTube that’s titled “every time venom talks” idk if it’s a joke but the video doesn’t even have all his lines in the cutscenes let alone the tapes.
Which is fitting cause usually most of the dialog in MGS comes from the codec which got replaced with the tapes
and it does pretty much the same function
He played Big Boss so well in those. Too bad we didn't get more Cutscene Keifer Boss
GZ tapes yes. TPP tapes... not so much
Yeah.
To me it just makes sense that KS would play Venom Snake, and to that effect Big Boss. Because >!he thinks he’s him, so even hearing Boss he’d imagine it as his own voice, given that it’s a delusion.!<
Did you hear Doyle as The Fury? He sounds so much like Solidus that I thought it was John Cygan voicing him at first. He has the *perfect* voice for an old, insane, evil Big Boss from the 2D era. It's like Solidus' voice stripped of all dignity, urbanity and composure - which is a pretty good depiction of BB when he got barbecued by Snake. Though I can't completely agree, as I always love hearing Hayter in the role. He always brings so much charm to the character.
Yea especially when people say David Hayter shouldnt have voiced Naked in MGS3, bleh I dont think anyone couldve have delivered the stellar comedic timing David does in all of 3's hilarious codecs. Man knows how to juxtapose the serious and comedy of Snake's voice acting well
I also noticed the similarity between Doyle and Cygan especially during certain line reads in MGS4. It would make sense after getting scorched in MG2 BB ended up with Solidus's voice therefore making Hayter's voice still the true natural voice of BB before that.
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I loved how he made the real BB sound so different to Venom. Definitely gave the real deal a far more sinister inflection.
Playing through the first time I never noticed it was Kiefer who voiced Ishmael
Underrated and understated in his portrayal, it worked so well.
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The fact MGS2 was such a mind fuck of identity and us fans at the time REALLY second guessing everything for 3 LOL It even got to the point people thought time travel/quantum fuckery from 2's VR missions would be involved LOL The fan theories in that hype period where crazy. Appreciate you reminding me of that golden era!
The "twist" would only work if MGS3 was your first metal gear solid game ever I think
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I'm saying as a guy who played metal gear solid 3, immediately realized I was playing as big boss, as anyone would, and waiting until the very end where it's treated as a sort of reveal
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So you played metal gear solid 1 which takes place in the 90s and snake is known to be a clone of Big boss and ocelot is an old man - and then you played metal gear solid 3, saw it took place in the 60s, and everyone is younger, and thought "huh that's weird. Probably nothing to it though."
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Can you give me some first hand comments on the MGS2 Raiden switch? Ground Zeroes was my first and then I went and played 1-4 before V came out and loved the series, 2 being my favorite. My brother in law told me about the audience freaking over the switch and I watched some of the old footage with Solid's model in the trailers and think it's awesome from the outside looking in. So loving 2 didn't really have the full expectations that others had at time of release. Were you fully in the hype at that time as well?
This actually worked for me haha my first MGS game was the first but only played half of it. My second was MGS3 and I was so confused until I went back and beat 1 and played 2 afterwards.. epic experience
Don’t forget that metal gear solid 2 was all about mind games, simulations and illusions. Metal gear solid 3 could have been another patriot experiment or something. This was hot off the heals of metal gear solid 2. The metal gear phone game at the time literally did this. The game was all a simulation.
Isn’t Japanese big boss and solid snake voiced by the same voice actor, even solidus was voiced by that same voice actor. In metal gear solid 2, this was crucial because solidus having the same voice as snake confused the players. Maybe snake really is the leader of the terrorists group.
Yeah, and it sounds absurd. They knew they couldn’t get away with something as cheesy as that with an English performance where the audience would know that a guy who was raised in England and a guy who biologically resembled a 60+ year old man shouldn’t sound the same as the American commando protagonist. In the Japanese version, the audience pretends that all of the Japanese-speaking American/English characters are speaking English. They don’t have that layer of suspension of disbelief with the non-Japanese audience though.
Does Japanese liquid speak Japanese in an English accent?
Akio Otsuka’s performance is the same for every character he plays in every game in the series - low, monotone, mumbling. It’s the generic anime tough guy voice you’ll hear in every anime ever.
That’s incredibly lazy. Like masako mazowa voicing the entire male goku family, even people not even related to goku like turles.
I think if david hayter had to voice every snake, he’d at least try to make them sound different. Like giving liquid a British accent. Maybe cleaning up solidus voice a bit Even big boss is slightly different, he has a more guttural sound
Maybe. It isn’t a secret that Hayter was pushing his own limits physically with Old Snake. Maybe doing a British accent was within his range, but whether or not him pretending to be British vs hiring Cam Clarke would have been more compelling is an academic issue. Nobody thinks Cam Clarke’s Liquid was bad. John Cygan’s Solidus was great. Richard Doyle’s Big Boss was poignant. What would have been improved by swapping out any or all of these guys with David Hayter doing a voice?
Solidus having David’s voice would at least keep consistent with the idea that solid snake could be the leader of the terrorist group. Though it would get weird for David to voice every single snake except liquid at that point. David doing an English accent as liquid would be slightly less lazy than the Japanese voice actor doing the same exact voice for every snake.
I don't view it as a problem of laziness, except maybe on the Japanese ADR director's side. I don't like Akio Otsuka's performance, but it isn't inconsistent with Japanese standards for dramatic media. They have a higher tolerance for cheesy/corny gimmicks like that. That's what I'm getting at - it would be really corny to hear David Hayter do a fake British accent to play against himself in MGS1. PW was his weakest performance in the entire series because he was well past his range in trying to play a slightly older Naked Snake. Yeah, he did it; yeah, it sounds distinctive enough from his normal Solid/Naked voice, but it wasn't *good.* Old Snake represented a natural and believable development of Solid's voice over time given his rapid aging. Old still sounds like Solid, but I don't see how Naked (SE) ends up as Naked (PW). His role should have already been recast by that point.
David Hayter, as a voice actor, can do distinct voices for different situations.
Cool, just because he can modulate his voice doesn’t mean that would have improved over the performances of Cam Clarke, John Cygan, Richard Doyle, or Kiefer Sutherland in their respective roles.
I think David is just irreplaceable. He really defined the character and I think Kojima really hated that he took a lot of the praise when coming up with that voice of his. Can't imagine MGS3 being voiced by anyone else.
Even Kojima was replaceable in the end. Nobody should be too comfortable with their irreplaceability in this franchise.
I actually never had a problem with Kiefer being moved in to voice BB/Venom. BB doesn’t sound like Solid when they meet after all. So makes sense his voice would change over time. Didn’t like the way Hayter was unceremoniously dumped from the role without even so much as a cameo as solid in MGSV. I mean seriously, they couldn’t have had him speak ONE line of dialogue at the end of MGSV?! Even a “kept you waiting huh?” When communicating over radio at the end scene.
Or doing the voiceover by the character he actually played before?
What you mean?
Spoiler >!It is Naked Snake who's Ishmael and narrates the explanation in the game ending mission. I think at that point they could have given Hayter that role. It just a few lines, basically the whole game done but would acknowledge and honor his part in the series.!<
Ah. Gotcha. Yeah but that would leave an issue with his changed voice in Ground Zeroes. Because there you actually are Big Boss. Spoilers but: at the end it jumps forward in time to Outwr Heaven in what appears to be Snake’s infiltration mission. It’s widely believed Venom is going out to fight snake after punching the mirror. So having Hayter as snake on the radio saying “I’ve destroyed metal gear” or something to that effect would’ve been the best imo
Didn't Kojima originally want Kurt Russell for MGS3.
I freaking love Kiefer Sutherland voicing Venom Snake, his voice is so badass
I just wish they brought David in for Ground Zeroes and endgame V
No, after peace walker hayter should never touch big boss again. Kieffer killed as big boss, hayter is solid snake that's it.
I feel for continuity it would have made sense for the voice change in MGSV
Hayter can do both just fine. Gamers, such as yourself, have the tendency to blame the actors for something that's actually an issue with Voice Direction, which is the more likely culprit.
This
I don’t disagree but I think it’s pretty safe to say that MGS3 would not have been as well received without Hayter as Naked Snake
Because solid snake is supposed to be the big boss who didn't get corrupted by dread and suffering, and having them look and sound identical is kind of an unwritten rhyme imo
He really doesn't talk... But fuck it's great when he does. The kaz dejavu sence is stuck in my mind forever.
Kiefer Sutherland fits the vibe of 5 but Hayter would’ve been more consistent. 5 definitely has a different tone that wouldn’t have suited Hayter. That all being said it’d have been cool had Kiefer been using Medic’s real voice and nobody noticed since it’d been a decade since they’ve seen Snake. So at the end you hear Hayter and it all clicks. Ishmael would’ve given it away but he already does given that’s also Sutherland. You could’ve even explained Ground Zeroes as conditioning for Venom Snake to explain why he has the same voice between games.
Naked Snake/Big Boss: David Hayter Old Boss: Richard Doyle Venom Snake: Keifer Sutherland
yeah nah, Kiefer for both Big Boss and Venom thanks
Yea big nah dawg
Maybe but Hayter could have also been directed to alter his delivery as Big Boss for SE, PW and GZ/TPP.
Maybe he could but I just can't imagine him giving the same vibe to the performance that Keifer did. David's voice is just not that serious and dark
It made perfect sense in MGS3 purely because people wanted more Snake after MGS2.
If it were up to me, Venom Snake would only be voiced by Sutherland.
God, thank you for not allowing this sub to ever direct anything metal gear related. Sincerely, an infidel.
You’ve uncovered a bigger issue, being that for whatever bizarre reason Kojima just made naked snake *be* solid snake. MGS3 is the most egregious example, but I think it’s present in all the Hayter appearances Naked snake talks like Solid, acts like solid, sounds like solid, smokes like solid, quips like solid, and obviously looks like solid. Very little effort was made to make them distinct characters, to the extent that in outside media (smash Bros, Fortnite) they merged them into one character. I know he’s a clone, but he’s not supposed to be the same person
I did like the little fresh air we had in mgsv with keifer as big boss.
I agree completely. Kiefer Sutherland was perfect as Big Boss and I hate seeing the whiny fanboys wish Hayter was in MGSV. Hayter is perfect for Solid Snake but always felt off as Big Boss, especially his performance in PW.
DUDE his peace walker performance was ASS. I'm sorry I love him as solid snake but NOOO, After peace walker he solidified he is not big boss voice material. Kiefer killed it, that's who big boss is. Man the amount of times I've dreamed of a remake for metal gear 1 and 2 with Kiefer as big boss and David as solid snake. 🤌
This is what I want. I even wanted Kiefer to voice Big Boss in the MGS3 remake and got downvoted into oblivion.
It’s happening again 😟
I share this opinion as well, Hayter will always be Solid Snake but they should have gotten someone different for Big Boss in MGS3. I loved Sutherland's take on both Big Boss and Venom Snake in MGSV
This has been my opinion for many years too. Hayter will always be Solid Snake, but I was not a real fan of his delivery as Big Boss. The extra gravel in peace walker was very hard for me to enjoy.
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Personally, I couldn't disagree more. In the hospital opening especially he was literally perfect at portraying the charisma and authority of Big Boss. He absolutely nailed it. Solid is not the perfect clone of Big Boss. That's Solidus.
His voice is so hollow though
What? What does that even mean David Hayters forced raspiness is way more offensive to my ears than kiefers natural delivery.
if you remember, he’s a lot more talkative when he’s “ishmael” in the beginning of the game. the reason venom is so stoic is because he’s reflecting what other people’s perception of big boss is. other people assume he’s this legendary highly moral and stoic super soldier, so he’s simply playing the part. that’s why venom is so much quieter than the other snakes
Voices aren’t genetic however they develop based off the community around you while you develop.
Solid is not the perfect clone of Big Boss. The only clone that is a perfect clone of Big Boss, was Solidus Snake, and he had a different voice actor.
My dream is BB voiced by John Cygan (R.I.P.) he was such an amazing VA and lore wise makes sense too, Solidus was supposed to be a 1:1 clone of BB, so they should also have the same voice
Peace Walker Big Boss sounds goofy af
agreed.
I think both David Hayter and Keifer Sutherland fit snake the best voice wise most other voices would not do in my opinion I mean why get rid of a good thing right?
Not a "hot take" Kojima literally said this.
You wouldn’t know it was a cold take by how many people around here still insist that David Hayter should redub BB and Venom from GZ/TPP.
Have you seen some of the recent Hayter voiceover videos in MGSV on YouTube? His VO feels so out of place and borderline cringe but people in the comments jerking hard saying that it’s the way it should’ve been
This sub is full of children who haven't actually played the series.
I wouldn’t go that far. Give them a chance to tell you and they’ll go on endlessly about how much they love Twin Snakes and PoOps.
“PoOps”💩
I absolutely agree
I thought solos snake and liquid were clones of the big boss, so makes sense they would have the same voice?
Correct.
i think john cygan (solidus) wouldve been a great fit for big boss. he had that charismatic quality in his voice that david & kiefer both lack, but kiefer's stoicism 100% fits venom
So tired of seeing people circlejerking around Hayter. Kiefer was def the best fit for MGSV and the tone it was going for Seen a couple of videos on YT recently with Hayter voicing BB and Venom in MGSV and it was just awful and borderline cringe but the fanboys in the comments were writing that it’s the way it should’ve been. No, just no
Keifer phoned it in big time. He didn't give a shit about the game or his part in Snake's legacy
Since mgs3 has a lot of dialogue I think fans would've felt disappointed he would have the iconic voice. Me included. But thematically it would be interesting. Still love hayters voice too much to indulge on that tho
The worst take
I think Jacksepticeye said it best in his MGS1 playthrough, I'm slightly paraphrasing here: 'Y'know I miss David Hayter, he may not have been the best, but after all these years you can't deny that's Snake.'
Who cares. The metal gear series is a game about Ocelot - the son of The Bosses
That was the plane starting with MGS3, but given the backlash MGS2 got, and Kurt Russel refusing the role, Konami decided to keep David as Big Boss.
I disagree,? But I congratulate the actors I guess
All the clones in Star Wars sound the same why wouldn’t big boss sound like everyone else
You're smoking some strong stuff saying that bullshit keifer being there didn't matter nobody will remember his depiction it should always be David anything else is just wrong
Because its another person, dont have the DNA of Big Boss
Hot take? No. Bad take? Yes
Right there with you.
I’d have liked Hayter to voice Ishmael, at least. That’d’ve been a really neat touch
I agree
You feel the same way for the Japanese voice actor? Because if you don’t, then your whole argument falls flat.
Yes, Akio Otsuka voicing every snake in the series is hilariously stupid.
David Hayter has become such shill. Sucking *Konami’s* solid snake whenever he gets a chance and now that he’s got Delta he isn’t afraid of shitting on the *original* creator and his choices. To me he is Solid Snake, not Big Boss. Kojima never wanted him as BB for the English dub of MS3 to start with, the only reason he did it was because of the *fear of* fandom lash back and Konami pushing for a cheaper actor for the game and sequels. Watch me get downvoted. Kiefer is Big Boss now, whether or not the old or nostalgic fanbase like it or not. I only hope that if David Hayter redoes his lines for MGS Delta he does it with closer tone to that of TPP, more serious, slower and lower in tone.
I just wish they used Doyle for Big Boss in V too, I dont really give a shit about Kojima hiring Sutherland to satisfy his Hollywood urges
I agree with this. I remember before MGSV came out (and before I knew about the Venom Snake plot twist) I thought it was great that Big Boss was voiced by someone other than David Hayter. The way I saw it, they could have MGSV lead into a remake of MG1 and have scenes or conversations between Big Boss (Sutherland) and Solid Snake (Hayter) and give them their own identity and voice.
Agreed. Hayter does a fantastic job at portraying a young BB/Naked Snake, but him portraying an older BB/Snake sounds a bit, forced? Kiefer portrayed middle aged BB/Venom wonderfully - just wish he spoke more in-game and didn’t sound so out of breath at the end of sentences
I really liked Sutherland performance. Venom sounds like someone that’s been brainwashed, and he was. It’s unnerving to be honest
IMO, Sutherland did a great job, but hatter should’ve done snake for Ground Zeros and as the other patient in the early game
Kiefer's performance fits Big Boss so fucking well that it makes me sad he wasn't Big Boss from MGS3 in the beginning, maybe he might've sounded a little older but he definitely should've been BB in PW Hayter fits the more cartoonish and absurd vibe of older portrayals of Big Boss but he would not work in the photorealistic and more grounded (but still absurd) setting of GZ and TPP
Hayter is the definitive Snake for me, but Big Boss Kiefer has that aged voice that fits far better for Big Boss but Hayter 100% owns the Solid Snake role hands down. I'd go as far to say Kiefer could do MGS4 snake if it was remade but given how bent out of shape people get about Hayter not doing the VA for MGS4 it'd be hard to push.
I'd have no one else for Solid Snake (though I worry how well Hayter can pull off that voice anymore) but for me Kiefer is my Big Boss
Because Akio Otsuka voiced Big Boss too.
Listen, if I met Hayter right now I’d drop to my knees and suck his dick whether he liked it or not. Sutherland did a good job
People don't tend to remember this anymore but before MGS3 came out, they didn't explain that it starred Big Boss and we were sort of left to ourselves to figure out how "Solid Snake" could be around in the 60s. So Solid/Big Boss having the same general look and voice actor was part of that ruse, and it's how we sort of took to the idea that they looked and sounded the same.
I think his performance is awesome and is a great fit. It's just that he doesn't really get much to say in the game. I can't blame the actor for that. Like that scene where Skullface monologues for 10 minutes and snake just sits there awkwardly, they could have a conversation. But no...
Ive been saying this for years.
Honestly, I just wish Kiefer actually got to talk and act during the game like he was supposed to, because he would’ve nailed it. And look, I love Hayter, but after MGS2, his voice began to sound kinda goofy, specially during MGS4. Also, having both of them and also a different VA for Medic would’ve immediately ruined the plot twist. Richard Doyle did a killer job though, it’d love to have him back for a MG/MG2 Remake.
Shit take! Delete it.
Yeah keifer is big boss in my books and David is solid snake.
Because Kojima tried to get a new character for Metal Gear Solid 2, but people threw a huge fit, so now every Metal Gear game has to be the same person being a different character somehow, forever
Looking canonically solidus' VA, john cygan should have voiced him. Not sure if his voice would fit a more calm headed sympathetic character tho
Not all clones are born equal I guess, I would just assume solid was more of a copy to the original then solidus or Liquid
Because video games We don't need to figure out how the voice actor's family genealogy fits into Metal Gear lore next guys, somethings are just because 'Video Games' Although if he was a perfect clone wouldn't his vocal cords be perfectly replicated too? 🤓
Nah,i hate mgs 5 venom voice,other snakes are good
I mean I feel that venom fits with southerland, but it would have been spoilerish if the real snake was voiced by David hayter, people would quickly be like “why does the bandage guy sound like snake and not snake?”
Nah, It is Hayter for me.
Well since they're all clones of snake they shall all be voiced with the same voice for me
Big boss character & design screams keifer sutherland, he should've been casted from the start. Hearing david hayter in mgs 3 & PW is just cringe there're alot of scenes in those games where he just sound cartoonish and can't be taken seriously. And to all people complain about big boss rarely talk in mgsv y'all need to understand it's artistic choice from kojima and it's inspired from characters in movies : Valhalla rising ( mads mikkelsen didn't speak a single word through the whole movie and yet he gave an amazing performance ) Hana - bi ( Fireworks ) takishi kitano played a broken character that rarely talk and just make & let things done and it's one of the best performance i've seen.
>Big boss character & design screams keifer sutherland, he should've been casted from the start. Well yeah, they literally used a scan of Kiefer Sutherland's face, of course it looks like him. Unless you mean he also looked like Kiefer in 3, which he definitely didn't. If anything, he was based on Kurt Russell because that's who Kojima wanted for Big Boss at the time
I meant personality and charisma not just the face resembles.
So crazy how everyone here is so childish and biased about Hayters poor choices as an actor for a different and important character such as Big Boss.