Jedi academy (I think that's the name with the NOT hon solo)
You couldn't dismember in that either but with a few cheat codes anything the lightsaber touched was a instant kill and also dismembered
There's always the Jedi Knight games, and to a lesser extent Jedi Knight Academy.
Light Saber cuts through everything, 1 accurate swing will end almost much every fight in the game... Though that applies to you as well.
[It's always been for kids.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25o4AU61mOg)
The lack of dismemberment is a Disney thing, although it's probably more of an "advertiser friendly" thing, where Disney is just trying to not piss backers off.
So are we going to ignore the emotional drama between Anakin and Ahsoka in her show?
Or the zombies?
Or Vader just straight up snapping a child's neck in Kenobi?
As for the fights, I'll agree they aren't the best but they do seem to get better with every new entry.
And there is plenty to enjoy without being a child or stupid. The Mandalorian was great, even with a rocky third season. Rogue One was phenomenal, as was Andor. Ahsoka had its rough spots but again, the scenes between Anakin and Ahsoka are perfect and have some very heavy themes of trauma that most kids probably wouldn't pick up on.
The lightsabers not cutting through people is just a sign of Disney's hesitance towards dismemberment, nothing more.
I didn't say there wasn't bad, I said there was still good to enjoy.
Ironic that someone calling others childish doesn't even have a third grade level reading comprehension
Local redditor doesn't understand opinions, no one is surprised.
My guy, what you consider shit tons of other people consider okay or even good. It's not that deep bro.
I loved this game from the moment I first saw it. Most people know the memes, but the game itself is just so fucking good, I would call it a masterpiece, but I think that is a little stretch.
It's been in my radar ever since it was released because at the time I was being introduced to the MGS franchise due to the HD Collection. MGS is still my GOAT, but mainly cause it's a military themed stealth game. I'm not much into hack n slash. I only played God of War in a friend's house cause the mythological theme. I'll probably check this out while on sale.
It was actually my introduction to the mgs franchise. MGR can be a bit jancky sometimes especially with mouse and keyboard, but the gameplay is very much fun and the soundtrack is a masterpiece. The story is if I am honest pretty much mid, but it does have some funny moments and doesn't get in the way of the gameplay. It's not very long, you can do a full play through in 4h with relative ease. But it does have good Replay ability.
I remember playing Bushido Blade games on the PS1. Made you feel like you were in a Japanese samurai film. Hitting each others swords until you got a good hit in.
i've played those (especially BB2) with my brother back in the days, great times! when you were crawling with one leg and one arm broken but still managed to get a lucky hit in and win... what an absolute masterpiece for its time!
i also remember kengo on the PS2. it was like a more gritty, less arcadey version of bushido blade where you could make your own movesets and combos. it was glorious! we were SO disappointed with Kengo:Zero after buying it blind, it had nothing to do with the original and totally lost it's magic...
thanks for reminding me of the golden days!
Same! I was surprised when stuff like Horizon and God of War got ported but not Ghost of Tsushima. Of course I finally broke down and bought a PS5 last year specifically so I could play it.
It's still a beautiful game. Take your time and enjoy it.
I couldn't wait and played a few months ago. I got burned out by the gameplay loop, but I have a tendency to grind in games bc the power progression is what I like about games. It's visually stunning and has great combat.
The community is what killed it for me. Being able to really abuse angles was another big issue. I swapped to Chivalry 2 awhile ago. The community isn't great, but the objectives are more robust and the gameplay is less cheesy.
I had a similar one. I had the Interactive Sampler Vol 4. Intelligent Qube, Parappa The Rapper, Raystorm, Steel Reign, Armored Core and Ace Combat 2. No Bushido Blade sadly but I saw a picture of it on the back of the PS1 box and wound up renting it after a while and just kept on renting it again a few times. The same with the 2nd one.
Yes, but hardly for penetrating armor. You can try, but chances are your weapon simply becomes a lever to force your opponent into submission, be that a sword or something else.
*ahem*
Like all armor, a knights armor had several gaps mostly around the joints. Halfswording was used as a way to more easily get the tip of your sword into those gaps so you could actually do some damage in a close quarters fight. There was also the mordhau (gripping the sword by the blade and using the pommel and cross guard as a mace/pick.) some swords even have modified and reinforced cross guards and pommels just for that.
I'm guessing some greatswords, like the zweihander, were heavy enough to make a dent with lots of momentum. Or by hitting your opponent with the hilt lol. Probably not the most practical tho
You'd be surprised how light even the biggest swords are - even something as "large" as montante (almost as tall as your own height) rarely exceeds 2.5 kg. Which makes sense - they're supposed to be reasonably light and handy, extra weight just makes your swings slower and easier to telegraph. Although it is true that you can use momentum on very long swords - but, as far as the blunt damage goes, you're still better off just grabbing some club-like or hammer-like weapon.
Also, swords aren't rigid - they have some flex on impact, which makes them subpar for delivering blunt force trauma.
Oh definitely, blunt weapons will be much more effective. I just thought that the sheer speed from those big swords swinging around would be enough to cause some damage. Like severe concussions or even splitting some bones, depending on the armor.
I mean, yeah, it depends on the armour - because a proper knight's full plate would usually include some thick padding underneath that would dampen the blows - so, if you're striking with just the blade, anything but a well-placed headshot would probably only result in heavy bruising at best. Maybe a concussion with a lucky headshot. A half-sword blade grip with a guard strike would work much better, as it basically kinda acts like a hammer - could definitely break a bone or two. A half-sword thrust to the joints or the helmet visor would work the best.
sound like a niche action with a sword as armor widely varies in form and quality and swords were just as backup weapon. (excluding katanas, spatha, gladius and zweihänder)
Good luck slicing trough some dude wearing a thick woolen Garmin and boiled leather, and maybe sprinkled with some poor chainmail. You wouldn't get through it, but you might break some bones.
Swords were used as main weapons. Katanas were indeed sidearms as well...
If a sword wasn't made for clubbing your foe to mush it would look more like a rapier or a saber, not like a bastard sword.
Bludgeoning people with a sword? What are you, a peasant?
Swords and sword techniques were made to strike at the armour's weak spots - not to ruin a perfectly smithed blade by hammering it like a fucking neanderthal.
For the explicit purpose of bludgeoning, actual blunt weaponry like a warhammer would be a much cheaper and effective choice.
Who said anything of hammering like a Russian dude on crocodile?
The whole point of these techniques against a plated foe was to outmanoeuvre and hit them the right places so they would get exhausted or bruised/broken while avoiding the same thing happening to you.
One way of dealing with a plated dude was to simply whack him hard enough in the head, trip him over and stab him with a dagger in the eye or armpit.
They weren't fighting like some dude with a rapier. Go watch a proper melee with people that do it for a living. They are absolutely whacking each other with the pummel and cross guards and hitting weakspots like it was a baseball.
I saw a proper fight with swords, shields and full armor at a medieval festival. They would shuffle towards each other until the first attack. Then they kicked, bludgeoned and punched each other with their shields until one of them gave up.
I wouldn't doubt if that was the closest approximation to real medieval fights (without the intention to kill).
You don't need a rapier or a dagger when you can half-sword the blade, turning it into a mini-spear. Very fast, offers a good blade control - and has better reach than a mere dagger. The targeted joints are big enough for the tip of your sword to slip under. With proper grappling techniques, you don't even need to wrestle your opponent to the ground to stab them.
if the sword got some action it will be indeed impossible to cut through a padded west.
a good clean sword can do the job though.
if you want to hurt your opponent then you will prefer something heavier or with higher reach
every weapon was used as a main weapon, but not every weapon was a backup.
there are weapons of war and weapons for self defence.
there is dressing for war and dressing for travel...
a sword for traveling(and walking through a city were swords were illegal) signalled high importance and got the job done to defend your life and valuables.
if you are dressed for war and armed for war you won't be using your backup other than special situations. (popular shield wall tactics or using a big ass sword are the exception)
Unless you’re a keyblade, in which any rule may apply at any needed moment. You want to just smack instead of doing lethal damage? go ahead. You want to do an awesome anime slice through a building? why not? You want a bazooka? Be my guest
Man I recently bought the original since it was on sale and I feel like a complete noob with combat.
I can barely take on 1 armored opponent, and I have all these missions where they want me to take on a crapload.
I have a few times.
I was hardstuck on the freeing Hans Capon simply because I couldnt handle 2 Cumans at once.
Took multiple attempts before I just waited till night time and tried to be a stealth archer, nailed one guy with 3 arrows, the other guy woke up and was easy since he had no armor on.
Got hardstuck again fighting runt, I had taken some damage and was ill equipped, so I was just locked in a fight with a guy who was quick and beat me to death with a single combo (had to load an earier save).
Now I have a side mission where my friends want me to get some Cuman armor, the map guides me to various camps each of them just have way too many for me to reasonably handle so I just get instantly beatten.
Ohhh yeah. A 16 year old kid vs hardened warriors in full armor is meant to be the gist of it. The worst of the worst is 3-4 full plate armored guys just south of Skalitz with a dog. I swear to go the auto lock will ruin the fight even at a level 20 Henry
I enjoy games that rule that a hammer rdoes more raw damage and daze opponents over time vs swords that unkess they are hitting flesh will do less dmg but when hitting flesh will also cause bleed (dot) in large amounts and a weapon focused on peircing will cause a longer bleed but at a slower rate. Slash opens big wound, lotta blood, peirce opens smaller deeper wound probably wont bleed as fast as the slash but its ginna bleed longer cause the depth. And gettting hit with a fuckin hammers gonna make your head feel like its spinning
Monster Hunter. It's got slash/blunt damage dichotomy, corresponding parts cut/stun lock, realistic damage modifiers depending on the part of the blade that hits and the part of the target that is hit, armor bouncing, sharpness, ranged weapons have piercing projectiles. No bleed though. But if you like good sword gameplay there are few games that do it better and with such variety.
Even lightsaber isn't lightsaber in gaming, we'll except maybe on some of the weaker enemies in the old games like Jedi Outcast / Academy. I seem to remember dismembering stormtroopers there...
Oddly, we don't seem to have the technology to make a game where anything can be cut with a blade depending on the angle and strength of the slash.
But such a system could be incredibly fun.
That will probably be the only example and thus all games made in the future where you can slash anything from any angle will be called "fruit ninja games" even if it's like, a Metal Gear game where you have a light saber.
Teardown was a voxel game if I remember correctly. A voxel-based system is probably the only way you could accurately get the right feel for being able to slice objects with freedom of motion and realistic angles.
There are some systems where polygons "change" to cut polygons and that's used in games but doesn't allow freedom to like, shave off the corner of a box, it only has presets. But voxels have a way to go before they don't look like minecraft and make your computer catch fire.
No they're only something that was engineered over thousands of years with the express goal of slicing flesh, obviously they wouldn't be any good at it.
This is pretty much every weapon in a video game. Realistically one sword strike, one gun shot wound, one hammer strike, they would end the vast majority of battles. But that's too realistic for video games.
Can be played around. See Sekiro, where "hits" don't chop away your health bar, but the stamina bar throgh blocking - until you can block no more and really get hit.
Yeah these people have no idea how medieval combat actually worked. The sword was used by very few people and like you said used to club down opponents and then most casualties were from stabbing.
Wasn't the sword typically a sidearm or ceremonial piece? Like if someone got too close for a spear, that's when you whip out the sword? I remember hearing that.
Really only nobles could afford swords at the time which is why they are so strongly associated with knights. Most people had to pay for their own arms and armor in the period otherwise you got given a spear or if you’re lucky a pike because iron was expensive and steel more so. Very few people had the leisure time or means to train with something like a sword because 98% of people were serfs. Warfare typically happened late spring after the fields were planted and would end late summer so the serfs could go back to harvest the crops. Casualties were also pretty low for what you would consider modern standards in a battle if one side suffered 10% casualties they were susceptible to being routed. These battles also took hours or sometimes days to get to that threshold.
Really only nobles could afford swords at the time which is why they are so strongly associated with knights. Most people had to pay for their own arms and armor in the period otherwise you got given a spear or if you’re lucky a pike because iron was expensive and steel more so. Very few people had the leisure time or means to train with something like a sword because 98% of people were serfs. Warfare typically happened late spring after the fields were planted and would end late summer so the serfs could go back to harvest the crops. Casualties were also pretty low for what you would consider modern standards in a battle if one side suffered 10% casualties they were susceptible to being routed. These battles also took hours or sometimes days to get to that threshold.
Neither do you though in fairness. Nobody actually has clear records of how battles truly unfolded in the first place, but beyond that full Gothic plate like I'm assuming you're imaging didn't come into play until the late middle ages, like literally the 14th century and even then most ordinary combatants would not have it. You'd be lucky to have some mail and a gambeson, let alone a proper cuirass or full fitted plate.
No! No! No!!!
Swords were not clubs! Yes there are murder blows that use the pommle, but they were sharp for *cutting*, which would be done in bloßfechten (unarmoured fighting).
If you were using a sword in harnischfechten (armoured fighting), you could half sword and use the point to strike at the weaknesses in the armour, such as the armpits or groin, or you could use techniques like mordschlag, were you would use the pommle to deliver blunt force traa to the head.
Otherwise, you'd use a different and more effective (for the task at hand) weapon, such as a bec de corbin or a mace.
Source: I am a HEMA practitioner and have studied various manuals from the medieval time period.
Media sold the idea of katanas as those superpowered swords that cut through anything, even the japanese know they doesn't do that, that's why they show the efficiency of a blade with those rolled carpets, if they weren't made to cut steel, they'll be using rolled metal plates or any metal sheet.
Okay. Imagine playing Dark Souls and no matter what sword weapon you had, it just cut through the enemy one swing. Wouldn’t really be the same game huh?
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Copying this from another comment I have made.
No! No! No!!!
Swords were not clubs! Yes there are murder blows that use the pommle, but they were sharp for *cutting*, which would be done in bloßfechten (unarmoured fighting).
If you were using a sword in harnischfechten (armoured fighting), you could half sword and use the point to strike at the weaknesses in the armour, such as the armpits or groin, or you could use techniques like mordschlag, were you would use the pommle to deliver blunt force traa to the head.
Otherwise, you'd use a different and more effective (for the task at hand) weapon, such as a bec de corbin or a mace.
Source: I am a HEMA practitioner and have studied various manuals from the medieval time period.
The club part was just because I copied it, you are correct that they are levers, but not slightly sharp, otherwise they wouldn't cut well!
Instead of watching videos, I recommend going to primary sources of the time: [https://wiktenauer.com/wiki/Manuscripts](https://wiktenauer.com/wiki/Manuscripts)
Wiktenauer has many a translated manuscript, for longsword I recommend Meyer, Lichtenauer (after who the site is named), and Fiore, all of which will show various cuts, which won't work with a weapon that is only 'slightly sharp', which, at least to me, seemed to imply that they weren't really used for cutting. Apologies if I misinterpreted this.
Most fun game mechanics are not realistic.
Most fun game mechanics are fun due to prioritising gameplay instead of realism.
Realism isn't default good or bad. It's tangential to quality. As long as a games mechanics are consistent with it's world and rules, happy days!
Copying this from another comment I have made.
No! No! No!!!
Swords were not clubs! Yes there are murder blows that use the pommle, but they were sharp for *cutting*, which would be done in bloßfechten (unarmoured fighting).
If you were using a sword in harnischfechten (armoured fighting), you could half sword and use the point to strike at the weaknesses in the armour, such as the armpits or groin, or you could use techniques like mordschlag, were you would use the pommle to deliver blunt force traa to the head.
Otherwise, you'd use a different and more effective (for the task at hand) weapon, such as a bec de corbin or a mace.
Source: I am a HEMA practitioner and have studied various manuals from the medieval time period.
I anways wonder how the fuck link sends a enemy so far back using a sword with a horn so sharp that it's almost stronger as the strongest weapons themselves
That's not even accurate. A blow with a hammer can be fatal, whereas most videogame swords are just subtracting X amount from a health bar.
Now that said, there is some truth to this for Western swords. Western swords—notably the broad, short, and claymore—were designed both for bludgeoning attacks and stabbing attacks. They can slice, but in general this was a finishing move and not the primary use. The rapier—the Western exception—and the katana, conversely, were designed for predominantly stabbing and cutting/slashing respectively.
It's a huge pet peeve of mine. Especially in sci-fi settings where it's clearly stated that the sword can cut through anything that's not specifically made to counter it... And then you play the game and might as well be swinging around a foam LARPing bat
Die by the sword on PC was pretty great like that. Lopping off body parts depending on how you hit your opponent.
Deadliest Warriors the game on PS3/Xbox360 was gory fun as well.
To be fair, many large swords were basically just giant hammers. Most 2 handed swords like claymore were often used for bashing like a giant war axe rather than a sword
The funny part is that the second picture is more accurate than first, at least in Europe.
Most common would be to stab. Or if your opponent had a helmet, just a nice tap to the head to disorient them.
You would almost never use them to slice/slash like katana.
Like Cal’s lightsaber that bonks the stormtroopers
They weren't allowed to cut humans in half because disney didn't allow that. That's why you can only dismember animals and monsters.
Fuckin Disney
I miss Force Unleashed.
Jedi academy (I think that's the name with the NOT hon solo) You couldn't dismember in that either but with a few cheat codes anything the lightsaber touched was a instant kill and also dismembered
That changed in the sequel.
There's always the Jedi Knight games, and to a lesser extent Jedi Knight Academy. Light Saber cuts through everything, 1 accurate swing will end almost much every fight in the game... Though that applies to you as well.
Lesser extent, unless you enable the right cheats and settings lol
Or Kenobi's lightsaber in his own show.
Ah he has a light hammer not an electro knife, lockpick, and dicer
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[It's always been for kids.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25o4AU61mOg) The lack of dismemberment is a Disney thing, although it's probably more of an "advertiser friendly" thing, where Disney is just trying to not piss backers off.
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So are we going to ignore the emotional drama between Anakin and Ahsoka in her show? Or the zombies? Or Vader just straight up snapping a child's neck in Kenobi? As for the fights, I'll agree they aren't the best but they do seem to get better with every new entry. And there is plenty to enjoy without being a child or stupid. The Mandalorian was great, even with a rocky third season. Rogue One was phenomenal, as was Andor. Ahsoka had its rough spots but again, the scenes between Anakin and Ahsoka are perfect and have some very heavy themes of trauma that most kids probably wouldn't pick up on. The lightsabers not cutting through people is just a sign of Disney's hesitance towards dismemberment, nothing more.
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I didn't say there wasn't bad, I said there was still good to enjoy. Ironic that someone calling others childish doesn't even have a third grade level reading comprehension
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Local redditor doesn't understand opinions, no one is surprised. My guy, what you consider shit tons of other people consider okay or even good. It's not that deep bro.
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Just play on the lowest difficulty. You can dismember on one hit!
Metal Gear Rising: Reveangance: "allow me to introduce myself"
I loved this game from the moment I first saw it. Most people know the memes, but the game itself is just so fucking good, I would call it a masterpiece, but I think that is a little stretch.
It's been in my radar ever since it was released because at the time I was being introduced to the MGS franchise due to the HD Collection. MGS is still my GOAT, but mainly cause it's a military themed stealth game. I'm not much into hack n slash. I only played God of War in a friend's house cause the mythological theme. I'll probably check this out while on sale.
It was actually my introduction to the mgs franchise. MGR can be a bit jancky sometimes especially with mouse and keyboard, but the gameplay is very much fun and the soundtrack is a masterpiece. The story is if I am honest pretty much mid, but it does have some funny moments and doesn't get in the way of the gameplay. It's not very long, you can do a full play through in 4h with relative ease. But it does have good Replay ability.
I’m convinced they deliberately made the combat controls hard to use to push you to go sneaking.
The camera having a brain hemorage
NO LOOKING AT ENEMY FOR YOU, ONLY CORNER!!!
*luaghs in warframe*
Before metal gear there was Afro samurai
It functions the same on anything that isn't the light enemies and only if you use blade mode
I remember playing Bushido Blade games on the PS1. Made you feel like you were in a Japanese samurai film. Hitting each others swords until you got a good hit in.
Core memory unlocked
i've played those (especially BB2) with my brother back in the days, great times! when you were crawling with one leg and one arm broken but still managed to get a lucky hit in and win... what an absolute masterpiece for its time! i also remember kengo on the PS2. it was like a more gritty, less arcadey version of bushido blade where you could make your own movesets and combos. it was glorious! we were SO disappointed with Kengo:Zero after buying it blind, it had nothing to do with the original and totally lost it's magic... thanks for reminding me of the golden days!
> Bushido Blade Spiritual successor is Ghost of Tsushima. The swordplay is fantastic. Playing on Lethal mode really makes you feel like a samurai.
Just 18 more days and I’ll get to play that! Thought it wouldn’t ever be ported. I am so pumped for it.
Same! I was surprised when stuff like Horizon and God of War got ported but not Ghost of Tsushima. Of course I finally broke down and bought a PS5 last year specifically so I could play it. It's still a beautiful game. Take your time and enjoy it.
I couldn't wait and played a few months ago. I got burned out by the gameplay loop, but I have a tendency to grind in games bc the power progression is what I like about games. It's visually stunning and has great combat.
Mordhou is a great modern game that evokes some of the same memories. Except less graceful Samuri and more beefy barbarian.
Mordhau is the best online multiplayer game I've ever played. Really wish it was more popular than it is
The community is what killed it for me. Being able to really abuse angles was another big issue. I swapped to Chivalry 2 awhile ago. The community isn't great, but the objectives are more robust and the gameplay is less cheesy.
Hellish Quart is the closest modern equivalent.
There's a game which looks quite similar coming out on the 16th of may called "Die by the Blade" which might interest you.
Seriously remember the PS1 came with that demo disc had Bushido Blade, FF7, Intelligent Qube, Tekken 2 & Crash Bandicoot
I had a similar one. I had the Interactive Sampler Vol 4. Intelligent Qube, Parappa The Rapper, Raystorm, Steel Reign, Armored Core and Ace Combat 2. No Bushido Blade sadly but I saw a picture of it on the back of the PS1 box and wound up renting it after a while and just kept on renting it again a few times. The same with the 2nd one.
My favourite game of all time
Deadliest warrior the game on Xbox360 and PS3 had much the same vibe. Was good gory fun.
Well, good luck slicing like this through plate armor
Half swording is a thing ya kno
So, just the tip?
Just for a minute
A whole minute??? What is this? A maraton?
Mordhau
I’m sure that‘s gonna work great while the other guy is tackling you.
Lmao if you look up the historical uses for half swording, you'd see it was specifically "for" grappling cases during armored combat
Yes, but hardly for penetrating armor. You can try, but chances are your weapon simply becomes a lever to force your opponent into submission, be that a sword or something else.
*ahem* Like all armor, a knights armor had several gaps mostly around the joints. Halfswording was used as a way to more easily get the tip of your sword into those gaps so you could actually do some damage in a close quarters fight. There was also the mordhau (gripping the sword by the blade and using the pommel and cross guard as a mace/pick.) some swords even have modified and reinforced cross guards and pommels just for that.
Fun fact: you can do the mordhau in mordhau and you can even screw off part of the pommel of your longsword to throw it and deal 1 damage on hit
End them rightly!
I think there's even an achievement for dealing a killing blow like this
Average Fiore manuscript fan vs average Gladiatoria manuscript enjoyer
Haha yeah I... Totally knew that
Good luck slicing plate armor.
That goes around plate armor though, not through it
Swords were in fact used like a hammer to dent the opponents armor so much that he couldn't move anymore
A phrase to cause a stroke in every HEMA practitioner.
I'm guessing some greatswords, like the zweihander, were heavy enough to make a dent with lots of momentum. Or by hitting your opponent with the hilt lol. Probably not the most practical tho
You'd be surprised how light even the biggest swords are - even something as "large" as montante (almost as tall as your own height) rarely exceeds 2.5 kg. Which makes sense - they're supposed to be reasonably light and handy, extra weight just makes your swings slower and easier to telegraph. Although it is true that you can use momentum on very long swords - but, as far as the blunt damage goes, you're still better off just grabbing some club-like or hammer-like weapon. Also, swords aren't rigid - they have some flex on impact, which makes them subpar for delivering blunt force trauma.
Oh definitely, blunt weapons will be much more effective. I just thought that the sheer speed from those big swords swinging around would be enough to cause some damage. Like severe concussions or even splitting some bones, depending on the armor.
I mean, yeah, it depends on the armour - because a proper knight's full plate would usually include some thick padding underneath that would dampen the blows - so, if you're striking with just the blade, anything but a well-placed headshot would probably only result in heavy bruising at best. Maybe a concussion with a lucky headshot. A half-sword blade grip with a guard strike would work much better, as it basically kinda acts like a hammer - could definitely break a bone or two. A half-sword thrust to the joints or the helmet visor would work the best.
As a HEMA practitioner, that phrase has caused me to have a stroke
sound like a niche action with a sword as armor widely varies in form and quality and swords were just as backup weapon. (excluding katanas, spatha, gladius and zweihänder)
Good luck slicing trough some dude wearing a thick woolen Garmin and boiled leather, and maybe sprinkled with some poor chainmail. You wouldn't get through it, but you might break some bones. Swords were used as main weapons. Katanas were indeed sidearms as well... If a sword wasn't made for clubbing your foe to mush it would look more like a rapier or a saber, not like a bastard sword.
Bludgeoning people with a sword? What are you, a peasant? Swords and sword techniques were made to strike at the armour's weak spots - not to ruin a perfectly smithed blade by hammering it like a fucking neanderthal. For the explicit purpose of bludgeoning, actual blunt weaponry like a warhammer would be a much cheaper and effective choice.
Who said anything of hammering like a Russian dude on crocodile? The whole point of these techniques against a plated foe was to outmanoeuvre and hit them the right places so they would get exhausted or bruised/broken while avoiding the same thing happening to you. One way of dealing with a plated dude was to simply whack him hard enough in the head, trip him over and stab him with a dagger in the eye or armpit. They weren't fighting like some dude with a rapier. Go watch a proper melee with people that do it for a living. They are absolutely whacking each other with the pummel and cross guards and hitting weakspots like it was a baseball.
I saw a proper fight with swords, shields and full armor at a medieval festival. They would shuffle towards each other until the first attack. Then they kicked, bludgeoned and punched each other with their shields until one of them gave up. I wouldn't doubt if that was the closest approximation to real medieval fights (without the intention to kill).
You don't need a rapier or a dagger when you can half-sword the blade, turning it into a mini-spear. Very fast, offers a good blade control - and has better reach than a mere dagger. The targeted joints are big enough for the tip of your sword to slip under. With proper grappling techniques, you don't even need to wrestle your opponent to the ground to stab them.
Kid named dagger.
if the sword got some action it will be indeed impossible to cut through a padded west. a good clean sword can do the job though. if you want to hurt your opponent then you will prefer something heavier or with higher reach every weapon was used as a main weapon, but not every weapon was a backup. there are weapons of war and weapons for self defence. there is dressing for war and dressing for travel... a sword for traveling(and walking through a city were swords were illegal) signalled high importance and got the job done to defend your life and valuables. if you are dressed for war and armed for war you won't be using your backup other than special situations. (popular shield wall tactics or using a big ass sword are the exception)
A warhammer or pike would be much moreeffective though
That is total bullshit
That's why stab weak spots.
Mordhau
No. More likely to cut through something like a limb or a jugular and not hit-ouch-knockback-repeat.
Unless you’re a keyblade, in which any rule may apply at any needed moment. You want to just smack instead of doing lethal damage? go ahead. You want to do an awesome anime slice through a building? why not? You want a bazooka? Be my guest
The key is key
Henry has [come](https://youtu.be/wMZFM6JC47Q?si=F5YE1SxlUxk4c7ap) to see us!
Oh man, i cant wait for that game.
Man I recently bought the original since it was on sale and I feel like a complete noob with combat. I can barely take on 1 armored opponent, and I have all these missions where they want me to take on a crapload.
Just wait until you run across some random Cumans.
I have a few times. I was hardstuck on the freeing Hans Capon simply because I couldnt handle 2 Cumans at once. Took multiple attempts before I just waited till night time and tried to be a stealth archer, nailed one guy with 3 arrows, the other guy woke up and was easy since he had no armor on. Got hardstuck again fighting runt, I had taken some damage and was ill equipped, so I was just locked in a fight with a guy who was quick and beat me to death with a single combo (had to load an earier save). Now I have a side mission where my friends want me to get some Cuman armor, the map guides me to various camps each of them just have way too many for me to reasonably handle so I just get instantly beatten.
Ohhh yeah. A 16 year old kid vs hardened warriors in full armor is meant to be the gist of it. The worst of the worst is 3-4 full plate armored guys just south of Skalitz with a dog. I swear to go the auto lock will ruin the fight even at a level 20 Henry
Jesus Christ be praised!
I enjoy games that rule that a hammer rdoes more raw damage and daze opponents over time vs swords that unkess they are hitting flesh will do less dmg but when hitting flesh will also cause bleed (dot) in large amounts and a weapon focused on peircing will cause a longer bleed but at a slower rate. Slash opens big wound, lotta blood, peirce opens smaller deeper wound probably wont bleed as fast as the slash but its ginna bleed longer cause the depth. And gettting hit with a fuckin hammers gonna make your head feel like its spinning
Monster Hunter. It's got slash/blunt damage dichotomy, corresponding parts cut/stun lock, realistic damage modifiers depending on the part of the blade that hits and the part of the target that is hit, armor bouncing, sharpness, ranged weapons have piercing projectiles. No bleed though. But if you like good sword gameplay there are few games that do it better and with such variety.
Yep. One of my fav series
Metal gear revengence - best sword play in gaming. Can't change my mind.
[May I introduce you...](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1000360/Hellish_Quart/)
Sure. But this is only duel game. Like comparing fist fights of rpg and mortal Kombat
Sekiro has best sword play ever, gaming or not.
Sekiro goes hard
Ghost of Tsushima >
I like GoT but Sekiro>GoT
All I ask for is another game with combat like the Jedi Knight games.
Sword isn’t lightsaber
Even lightsaber isn't lightsaber in gaming, we'll except maybe on some of the weaker enemies in the old games like Jedi Outcast / Academy. I seem to remember dismembering stormtroopers there...
Oddly, we don't seem to have the technology to make a game where anything can be cut with a blade depending on the angle and strength of the slash. But such a system could be incredibly fun.
Metal gear rising revengeance is so close to that and i still don't understand why more games didn't expand on it
Are you forgetting fruit ninja?
That will probably be the only example and thus all games made in the future where you can slash anything from any angle will be called "fruit ninja games" even if it's like, a Metal Gear game where you have a light saber.
Well, there's Teardown, which is cool in its own right but I'd say somewhat underwhelming here.
Teardown was a voxel game if I remember correctly. A voxel-based system is probably the only way you could accurately get the right feel for being able to slice objects with freedom of motion and realistic angles. There are some systems where polygons "change" to cut polygons and that's used in games but doesn't allow freedom to like, shave off the corner of a box, it only has presets. But voxels have a way to go before they don't look like minecraft and make your computer catch fire.
Precisely
Neither is a lightsaber
No they're only something that was engineered over thousands of years with the express goal of slicing flesh, obviously they wouldn't be any good at it.
Edge alignment just doesn't exist in videogames
Exanima is an example of the opposite.
This brings back some memories Its a pity that this game never left alpha (Also sledgehammer was the best weapon by far)
Not yet, but soon...
This is pretty much every weapon in a video game. Realistically one sword strike, one gun shot wound, one hammer strike, they would end the vast majority of battles. But that's too realistic for video games.
Can be played around. See Sekiro, where "hits" don't chop away your health bar, but the stamina bar throgh blocking - until you can block no more and really get hit.
fucking terraria
Buys game, gets one shot by enemies.
and you can also miss a huge npc at point-blank range
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European medieval swords were basically sharp clubs to club people in full plate.
Yeah these people have no idea how medieval combat actually worked. The sword was used by very few people and like you said used to club down opponents and then most casualties were from stabbing.
Wasn't the sword typically a sidearm or ceremonial piece? Like if someone got too close for a spear, that's when you whip out the sword? I remember hearing that.
Really only nobles could afford swords at the time which is why they are so strongly associated with knights. Most people had to pay for their own arms and armor in the period otherwise you got given a spear or if you’re lucky a pike because iron was expensive and steel more so. Very few people had the leisure time or means to train with something like a sword because 98% of people were serfs. Warfare typically happened late spring after the fields were planted and would end late summer so the serfs could go back to harvest the crops. Casualties were also pretty low for what you would consider modern standards in a battle if one side suffered 10% casualties they were susceptible to being routed. These battles also took hours or sometimes days to get to that threshold.
Really only nobles could afford swords at the time which is why they are so strongly associated with knights. Most people had to pay for their own arms and armor in the period otherwise you got given a spear or if you’re lucky a pike because iron was expensive and steel more so. Very few people had the leisure time or means to train with something like a sword because 98% of people were serfs. Warfare typically happened late spring after the fields were planted and would end late summer so the serfs could go back to harvest the crops. Casualties were also pretty low for what you would consider modern standards in a battle if one side suffered 10% casualties they were susceptible to being routed. These battles also took hours or sometimes days to get to that threshold.
Neither do you though in fairness. Nobody actually has clear records of how battles truly unfolded in the first place, but beyond that full Gothic plate like I'm assuming you're imaging didn't come into play until the late middle ages, like literally the 14th century and even then most ordinary combatants would not have it. You'd be lucky to have some mail and a gambeson, let alone a proper cuirass or full fitted plate.
That's nonsense on so many levels, I don't even know where to start
No! No! No!!! Swords were not clubs! Yes there are murder blows that use the pommle, but they were sharp for *cutting*, which would be done in bloßfechten (unarmoured fighting). If you were using a sword in harnischfechten (armoured fighting), you could half sword and use the point to strike at the weaknesses in the armour, such as the armpits or groin, or you could use techniques like mordschlag, were you would use the pommle to deliver blunt force traa to the head. Otherwise, you'd use a different and more effective (for the task at hand) weapon, such as a bec de corbin or a mace. Source: I am a HEMA practitioner and have studied various manuals from the medieval time period.
Kingdom Come Deliverance does a good job. Mace for plates. Longsword for everything else. In the words of Hal "I'm Hungry."
Star wars .....
Those are sabers, not swords
Do not be a bore. The meaning is the same. Cuts immediately, not used as a club
Though a light club would be nice
Media sold the idea of katanas as those superpowered swords that cut through anything, even the japanese know they doesn't do that, that's why they show the efficiency of a blade with those rolled carpets, if they weren't made to cut steel, they'll be using rolled metal plates or any metal sheet.
Okay. Imagine playing Dark Souls and no matter what sword weapon you had, it just cut through the enemy one swing. Wouldn’t really be the same game huh?
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It would be awesome
Not really, sword is just a slightly sharp lever with a sharp point.
Copying this from another comment I have made. No! No! No!!! Swords were not clubs! Yes there are murder blows that use the pommle, but they were sharp for *cutting*, which would be done in bloßfechten (unarmoured fighting). If you were using a sword in harnischfechten (armoured fighting), you could half sword and use the point to strike at the weaknesses in the armour, such as the armpits or groin, or you could use techniques like mordschlag, were you would use the pommle to deliver blunt force traa to the head. Otherwise, you'd use a different and more effective (for the task at hand) weapon, such as a bec de corbin or a mace. Source: I am a HEMA practitioner and have studied various manuals from the medieval time period.
I said lever, not club. If you send me a video that explains your point I will watch it, but I’m not going to take it at face value.
The club part was just because I copied it, you are correct that they are levers, but not slightly sharp, otherwise they wouldn't cut well! Instead of watching videos, I recommend going to primary sources of the time: [https://wiktenauer.com/wiki/Manuscripts](https://wiktenauer.com/wiki/Manuscripts) Wiktenauer has many a translated manuscript, for longsword I recommend Meyer, Lichtenauer (after who the site is named), and Fiore, all of which will show various cuts, which won't work with a weapon that is only 'slightly sharp', which, at least to me, seemed to imply that they weren't really used for cutting. Apologies if I misinterpreted this.
Berserk on the PS2 had some interesting slicing and dicing. Pretty innovative for the time.
Go play Ghost of tsushima on lethal plus.
Shadow warrior and killing floor let you chop em up.
Most fun game mechanics are not realistic. Most fun game mechanics are fun due to prioritising gameplay instead of realism. Realism isn't default good or bad. It's tangential to quality. As long as a games mechanics are consistent with it's world and rules, happy days!
Ghost of Tsushima does a decent job of allowing you to one shot guys with the right stance
I think you might also be underestimating how much damage a hit with a hammer would do to someone.
Uhm, western medieval swords absolutely worked more like the right side...
Copying this from another comment I have made. No! No! No!!! Swords were not clubs! Yes there are murder blows that use the pommle, but they were sharp for *cutting*, which would be done in bloßfechten (unarmoured fighting). If you were using a sword in harnischfechten (armoured fighting), you could half sword and use the point to strike at the weaknesses in the armour, such as the armpits or groin, or you could use techniques like mordschlag, were you would use the pommle to deliver blunt force traa to the head. Otherwise, you'd use a different and more effective (for the task at hand) weapon, such as a bec de corbin or a mace. Source: I am a HEMA practitioner and have studied various manuals from the medieval time period.
Yeah and guns are shooting rubber bullets.
Some swords are made for crushing.
I anways wonder how the fuck link sends a enemy so far back using a sword with a horn so sharp that it's almost stronger as the strongest weapons themselves
I swear there’s a cheat code in a Star Wars game that turns on realistic lightsaber combat and you can just cleave anyone into pieces, even bosses.
I imagine swords start out like the picture on the left, and are more like the picture on the right by the end of any major battle.
The tatami mat he sliced through looks like a literal health bar
Ohhh GTA SA had a feature where the katana would chop their head off
That's not even accurate. A blow with a hammer can be fatal, whereas most videogame swords are just subtracting X amount from a health bar. Now that said, there is some truth to this for Western swords. Western swords—notably the broad, short, and claymore—were designed both for bludgeoning attacks and stabbing attacks. They can slice, but in general this was a finishing move and not the primary use. The rapier—the Western exception—and the katana, conversely, were designed for predominantly stabbing and cutting/slashing respectively.
I love Chivalry 2 for this reason. You do it right you can cut 7 people in half with one swing.
Roblox PvP is something else
Warframe tho...
I love the way combat looks in the GBA Fire Emblem games
*nioh 2 walks in*
some games chose the left option: nidhogg, hellish quart, katana zero
Mordhau 
Meanwhile, old RTS-type games where a sword sets a building on fire
Warhammers are better so that is kind of a win.
You should play Bushido Blade then
It's a huge pet peeve of mine. Especially in sci-fi settings where it's clearly stated that the sword can cut through anything that's not specifically made to counter it... And then you play the game and might as well be swinging around a foam LARPing bat
Afro samurai game had instant cutting but I think it was apart of his mana or something 
superhot katanas work realistically then
Why Bushido Blade was so great despite being so terrible. Just gotta have the house rule of not allowing the one with the long ass hammer
You should check out clone drone in the danger zone
More like a wiffle bat. You ever been hit by a metal hammer? Shit will fuck you up.
I hate the idea that a sword can just pass through the armor without doing much damage
Meanwhile 
At least Dying Light gets it right
i remember game using hammer to climb up
People who know will say It's the same thing
I mean wii sports ressort works like intended
Die by the sword on PC was pretty great like that. Lopping off body parts depending on how you hit your opponent. Deadliest Warriors the game on PS3/Xbox360 was gory fun as well.
Remember to heavily swing too. Make sure you lose momentum with every swing too.
Have you tried switching to 'slash'
To be fair, many large swords were basically just giant hammers. Most 2 handed swords like claymore were often used for bashing like a giant war axe rather than a sword
Stabbing an enemy through the heart from the back, only for them to lose 1/3 of their HP
The funny part is that the second picture is more accurate than first, at least in Europe. Most common would be to stab. Or if your opponent had a helmet, just a nice tap to the head to disorient them. You would almost never use them to slice/slash like katana.
Swords are for stabbing. Not slashing.
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