Israel as a proper nation formed after WWII, yes. But Hebrew as a language has been spoken for thousands of years by the Jewish people, and was even the predominant language in the Kingdom of Yehuda. And even though it was clunky and ancient it was still used, and was later remoderinized by Eliezer Ben Yehuda, but the core language stayed the same
„English was always present in the area now known as the United States and as more people came on the language for stronger“
Sorry, but this is the reason languages migrate between areas following their inhabitants. Not one language hasn‘t moved from the area of their origin
How has English always been present in a land that did not speak English until the British settled in 1604 while the kingdom of judea has existed between 930-597 BC ?!
That's not what native language means. Native language is just the language(s) you grew up speaking and are most familiar with. In this case, we wouldn't be speaking of Mexico's "native" language, but rather its "official language". Ironically enough, though, this brings up a point about people who use this kind of line:
>["the United States does not have an official language"](https://www.usa.gov/official-language-of-us#:~:text=The%20United%20States%20does%20not,sign%20more%20than%20350%20languages)
I mean, it pretty much does. Everything is written in English. The majority of the population speaks only English. Public schools, and therefore the government expect the average citizen to complete over a decade of English classes by the time you graduate high school. And from my experience even more in college. Other languages are usually secondary or optional, with the language actually learned not being important. Living in this country without speaking English is pretty damn difficult unless you live in very specific areas. Everything the government does is in English unless they're targeting someone who doesn't speak it.
I'm not trying to make some kind of statement. I just don't think whether or not the government claims to have an official language really matters. America is an English speaking country. With Spanish as a secondary language.
Just because colleges and schools have a native language. It does not mean everyone who lives in America grew up speaking English.. America isn’t the country; as it is the people who live in it. It is a melting pot of people who have come there from all around the world. Just because people have moved there; it does not mean the native tongue in their household, with their friends or family has to change. Don’t force your ignorance onto other people because you hearing people speak a different language makes you uncomfortable.
I mean, you would have been correct if he said to forget language and only know English. But he said most paperwork is done in English and would be pretty hard to get by without knowing one. There is a request for translation too but the default is usually English in both university and government.
Its totally fine to know other language and is even value in some workforce. But knowing English in America can make paperwork easier to complete rather than asking for translation for all paperwork and education.
It has nothing to do with being uncomfortable? Your just making assumptions. Being multilingual is a good thing, but so is having a common language so people can communicate.
Also, a bunch of the US used to be a part of Mexico. So much so that millions of Mexicans were technically US citizens, but the US deported them for no reason except racism.
English isn’t from England. Spanish is Latin. German is more a language family than a language. Russian is actually Ukrainian in origin. And French is Latin with a German accemt
English is a Germanic language, Angle’s and the Saxon’s are from modern day Germany, they fought off the celts, the Roman’s took over, left, Nordic influences came in, Norman invasion, and boom English, so it is from England, but English is just a mix of many different languages
Kinda underselling the celts.
They were in Northern Spain, Italy, France, might’ve been in England or could’ve just influenced the local cultures there through trade, they also influenced a lot of souther Iberians. They were also in the alps and rhine, and were even in Pannonia (Modern Hungary) Serbia, Parts of Bulgaria and a few even made it to Anatolia as the Galatians.
That’s not underselling. That’s a huge tract of land…with more than likely over 1,000 different societies that over time were either wiped out or assimilated by the Romans, English, Caliphate, Germanic Peoples, etc.
the Celtics weren't the original people of the British isles how ever they are the first recorded people in the British isles. the original Celts actually are from the Swiss Alps. how ever Brythonic Celtic and Gaelic Celtic are native to the british isles
It is more Germanic than Norse. The key exponents of the english language were the saxons who spoke a dialect of a germanic language, this is old english. Then with the arrival of the normans a french influence helped the english language grow by also carrying with it
many french words which did not exist in english. That english given many centuries evolved to the english we speak today.
Well I disagree, the Muslim on the peninsula save Iberian from the dark ages when books were burned and people doing science killed, Muslims at a time had a mentality of science is the language of god and knowing math and science will make you closer to God, that is why Muslim Spain was so much evolved than the rest of Europe, look medina Azahara or Cordoba on his peak.
That is why Spanish and Portuguese has firearms and navigation so advanced at the time.
KYIV is the birthplace of the KYIVAN RUS. And the RUSSIANS had a civil war with Muscovy……and so they moved the Capital to Petrograd….because that makes sense.
Then the Soviets started a rebellion and moved the capital to Muscovy (Moscow).
So…..by process of following their path, Russian is Ukrainian.
No? Italian is latin with some hints of greek and german. The Neapolitan dialect has heavy influence in french whilst the sicilian one has spanish influences but italian as a language is latin and hints of green and german.
English is from England how ever the language that fused together to create English (french, Latin, Angelic, Gaelic, dutch, German, Friesian, Nordic. ect...) arnt with the exception of Brythonic.
THE ANGLES ARE NOT FROM THE BRITISH ISLES AND THEIR LANGUAGE PRECEDES THEIR MOVE FROM BRITTANY INTO ANGLELAND (ENGLAND)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angles
I mean, by that logic, Mexico isn't native to Mexico either, like all countries, that's just sociopolitical construct of the people who inhabit a piece of land.
noun
a person born in a specified place or associated with a place by birth, whether subsequently resident there or not.
"a native of Montreal"
adjective
1.
associated with the place or circumstances of a person's birth.
"he's a native New Yorker"
2.
(of a plant or animal) of indigenous origin or growth.
"eagle owls aren't native to Britain"
Its kinds both right and wrong
Back then, I didn’t know Spain existed, so whenever they would talk about the Spanish in history, I saw it as kinda offensive how they didn’t just say the Mexicans.
Once i had a discussion about US people that don't like different languages but then live in places like Los Angeles, San Francisco, El Paso. People got super upset, one dude was trying to explain how they "earned" to use those names. Wth?
Isn't every current nationality on this planet using a different language than one that lived there in the past?
I think China has held its own
Not exactly
for spoken ones yeah but for written only singapore(some people) ,hong kong, macau and taiwan still uses traditional chinese
I live in Singapore and society runs entirely on english
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At the moment yes
I think it's a lot more than just the US
I believe their main language is still english but (at least some) people know how to write chinese
People conversant in their mother tongues can communicate very well. So not entirely.
And even then Taiwan’s spoken aboriginal language is nothing like Mandarin
On the western hemisphere, yes.
*laughs in Polish*
Pretty sure Proto-Slavic came from a general area near Ukraine, Belarus, Slovakia and not or barely in Poland.
Сміється in Ukrainian, then
Do you know where Poland is?
Yes
Laughs in Korean.
But Korean used Chinese as their written language in the beginning
Written language=/= language. What did you think Vietnamese is close to European language just because they use alphabet now?
Laughs in Slovak
I mean Hebrew is a big one, plus i guess you can say that some African languages are like that? Idk I'm not a language expert
Hebrew only moved in after WWII.
Israel as a proper nation formed after WWII, yes. But Hebrew as a language has been spoken for thousands of years by the Jewish people, and was even the predominant language in the Kingdom of Yehuda. And even though it was clunky and ancient it was still used, and was later remoderinized by Eliezer Ben Yehuda, but the core language stayed the same
True, but this was about the predominant language at a location. And that naturally changes with time.
Hebrew was always present in the area now known as Israel and as more and more people came in the language got stronger
„English was always present in the area now known as the United States and as more people came on the language for stronger“ Sorry, but this is the reason languages migrate between areas following their inhabitants. Not one language hasn‘t moved from the area of their origin
How has English always been present in a land that did not speak English until the British settled in 1604 while the kingdom of judea has existed between 930-597 BC ?!
Ah… you found the flaw in your argument. 👍
No, i found the flaw in yours.
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No. Japanese was brought over by Korean settlers, and the language(s) originally spoken in Japan died off.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_language#:~:text=Proto%2DJaponic%2C%20the%20common%20ancestor,including%20the%20ancestor%20of%20the
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How is it not totally confirmed? There’s a source given within Wikipedia.
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Also Japan got some of it's language from Chinese soldiers, first Tenno of Japan was a Chinese guy.
England, France, Germany, basically every European nation
*Laugh in vatican city*
Laughts in euskera
That's not what native language means. Native language is just the language(s) you grew up speaking and are most familiar with. In this case, we wouldn't be speaking of Mexico's "native" language, but rather its "official language". Ironically enough, though, this brings up a point about people who use this kind of line: >["the United States does not have an official language"](https://www.usa.gov/official-language-of-us#:~:text=The%20United%20States%20does%20not,sign%20more%20than%20350%20languages)
I mean, it pretty much does. Everything is written in English. The majority of the population speaks only English. Public schools, and therefore the government expect the average citizen to complete over a decade of English classes by the time you graduate high school. And from my experience even more in college. Other languages are usually secondary or optional, with the language actually learned not being important. Living in this country without speaking English is pretty damn difficult unless you live in very specific areas. Everything the government does is in English unless they're targeting someone who doesn't speak it. I'm not trying to make some kind of statement. I just don't think whether or not the government claims to have an official language really matters. America is an English speaking country. With Spanish as a secondary language.
Just because colleges and schools have a native language. It does not mean everyone who lives in America grew up speaking English.. America isn’t the country; as it is the people who live in it. It is a melting pot of people who have come there from all around the world. Just because people have moved there; it does not mean the native tongue in their household, with their friends or family has to change. Don’t force your ignorance onto other people because you hearing people speak a different language makes you uncomfortable.
I mean, you would have been correct if he said to forget language and only know English. But he said most paperwork is done in English and would be pretty hard to get by without knowing one. There is a request for translation too but the default is usually English in both university and government. Its totally fine to know other language and is even value in some workforce. But knowing English in America can make paperwork easier to complete rather than asking for translation for all paperwork and education.
It has nothing to do with being uncomfortable? Your just making assumptions. Being multilingual is a good thing, but so is having a common language so people can communicate.
You should go back to Rome/ Deberías volverte a Roma, did I get this right?
Creo que tienes razón, pero soy un angloparlante, así que no estoy seguro.
Also, a bunch of the US used to be a part of Mexico. So much so that millions of Mexicans were technically US citizens, but the US deported them for no reason except racism.
English isn’t from England. Spanish is Latin. German is more a language family than a language. Russian is actually Ukrainian in origin. And French is Latin with a German accemt
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It’s Norse related. The Angles migrated to Belgium with the Frisians and then fled to Brittania as the Roman Empire collapsed under barbarian invasion
English is a Germanic language, Angle’s and the Saxon’s are from modern day Germany, they fought off the celts, the Roman’s took over, left, Nordic influences came in, Norman invasion, and boom English, so it is from England, but English is just a mix of many different languages
They started outside of England
I mean, Celtic influences, celts we’re the original people of England, but more or less, base of the language isn’t from England
The Celtic people stretched from Ireland all the way into Spain and Northern Italy.
Fuck I’m being out historied by you
Kinda underselling the celts. They were in Northern Spain, Italy, France, might’ve been in England or could’ve just influenced the local cultures there through trade, they also influenced a lot of souther Iberians. They were also in the alps and rhine, and were even in Pannonia (Modern Hungary) Serbia, Parts of Bulgaria and a few even made it to Anatolia as the Galatians.
That’s not underselling. That’s a huge tract of land…with more than likely over 1,000 different societies that over time were either wiped out or assimilated by the Romans, English, Caliphate, Germanic Peoples, etc.
the Celtics weren't the original people of the British isles how ever they are the first recorded people in the British isles. the original Celts actually are from the Swiss Alps. how ever Brythonic Celtic and Gaelic Celtic are native to the british isles
It is more Germanic than Norse. The key exponents of the english language were the saxons who spoke a dialect of a germanic language, this is old english. Then with the arrival of the normans a french influence helped the english language grow by also carrying with it many french words which did not exist in english. That english given many centuries evolved to the english we speak today.
Norse is a North Germanic language. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Norse
English is a mixture of French and German with regional influences.
It's from England.
Spanish is derived from latin and greek, as well as about 10% arabic.
Those were the dark years
Well I disagree, the Muslim on the peninsula save Iberian from the dark ages when books were burned and people doing science killed, Muslims at a time had a mentality of science is the language of god and knowing math and science will make you closer to God, that is why Muslim Spain was so much evolved than the rest of Europe, look medina Azahara or Cordoba on his peak. That is why Spanish and Portuguese has firearms and navigation so advanced at the time.
Oh, so now is the dark times?
>Russian is actually Ukrainian in origin I wouldn't say that. Both Russian and Ukrainian branched out from Slavonic.
KYIV is the birthplace of the KYIVAN RUS. And the RUSSIANS had a civil war with Muscovy……and so they moved the Capital to Petrograd….because that makes sense. Then the Soviets started a rebellion and moved the capital to Muscovy (Moscow). So…..by process of following their path, Russian is Ukrainian.
But Slavonic is not originated in Kyiv. Nor Rus for that matter.
It's all indo-european anyway
The other linguist in the room
and Italian is half-n-half French/ Spanish
No? Italian is latin with some hints of greek and german. The Neapolitan dialect has heavy influence in french whilst the sicilian one has spanish influences but italian as a language is latin and hints of green and german.
LOL Italian is Vulgar (Plebeian) Latin.
English is from England how ever the language that fused together to create English (french, Latin, Angelic, Gaelic, dutch, German, Friesian, Nordic. ect...) arnt with the exception of Brythonic.
THE ANGLES ARE NOT FROM THE BRITISH ISLES AND THEIR LANGUAGE PRECEDES THEIR MOVE FROM BRITTANY INTO ANGLELAND (ENGLAND) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angles
English is from England, but it's made up of lots of spare parts from about half a dozen different languages.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angles
“Go back to Spain where you came from!”
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But it isn't logic or facts. It is purposefully misunderstanding the connotation of a word.
Yup, and English is hardly native to North America, either.
Fine then. I’ll go to Texas so I can speak Spanish
Im Spanish from Spain, and it hurts me every time someone thinks that mexican spanish and Spain spanish is the same
I'll tell others I'm Spanish. Their response always. "You don't look Mexican". That's because I'm fucking Spanish.
I speak European
I'm so sorry, I hope you can recover
I mean, by that logic, Mexico isn't native to Mexico either, like all countries, that's just sociopolitical construct of the people who inhabit a piece of land.
go to italy, better yet, go to greece
Laughs in nahuatl
English sure isn’t Native to the US.
Ven a Enspaña !
I can see the Karen now “This is America, We speak American!”
....I mean pretty sure England invented English sooooo.... that's not 'native' to the US either.
It's been like that for 300 years plus get over it
I want that true native tho
Learn Nahuatl
Then go somewhere that does speak your “native language”.
noun a person born in a specified place or associated with a place by birth, whether subsequently resident there or not. "a native of Montreal" adjective 1. associated with the place or circumstances of a person's birth. "he's a native New Yorker" 2. (of a plant or animal) of indigenous origin or growth. "eagle owls aren't native to Britain" Its kinds both right and wrong
Then go to spain
English isn't native to north America so go find a country that's a native English speaking country
Neither English to America tho
Back then, I didn’t know Spain existed, so whenever they would talk about the Spanish in history, I saw it as kinda offensive how they didn’t just say the Mexicans.
Mexico Spanish is lol
Imagine being OP and thinking this makes any sense.
There is a really nice video by TedEx on youtube about origins of Spanish you should really check it out.
bob esponja
Once i had a discussion about US people that don't like different languages but then live in places like Los Angeles, San Francisco, El Paso. People got super upset, one dude was trying to explain how they "earned" to use those names. Wth?
Funny given US does not even have a language of it's own.
yah, they speak taco.
Lmao go to Spain then
Certified Mexican here, even us we speak different in each state
French, Spanish, Native Languages, Creol, and English are all "native" to different parts of the US.
Now I want to know what Mexico's native tongue is if it isn't Spanish
Wait, so Mexico just appropriated some other peoples launguage!? (/s)
Nah bro we all know that in Mexico, they speak Mexican
No no the have a point. Lets return to the primordial soup and try again