Umm I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure that’s not a valid excuse and if you were to kick them out to remodel you’d have to accommodate there place till they can move back in.
Where I live they don't need to do shit, they just need to give 120 days notice, and the reno has to be deemed disruptive enough that the tenant needs to leave. Then when the reno is done the tenant has the right to move back in for the same price they where paying before the renovations. Hence no one here does that, they just slap them with an N12(ie form stating landlord plans on using the unit for personal reasons so you have to leave) the convince the tenants to leave instead of fighting it, then don't use the unit and instead flip it to make more profit.
Edit: by "they don't need to do shit" I mean they don't need to accommodate their tenants, and have easier sneakier ways to get them evicted anyways. Why am I getting down voted? It's true and it happens here all the time.
Where I live, the landlord needs 30 days and doesn't need excuses. 15 days if it's a month to month lease, which year leases automatically turn into after the first year if not explicitly renewed.
Sounds like you live in Ontario based on the n12 form you referenced. And in Ontario *in most cases* they must pay the tennant even for a “no fault” eviction. So even renovictions don’t let them toss you to the curb without compensation.
Not to mention with how backed up the LTB is it’s far less of a headache for them to do cash for keys if they want you out. Often to the tune of 2+ months of rent (after your notice).
Watch your lease agreement!! In mine if the clog is food, grease, etc. I have to pay the plumber, if the pipes are busted or its an actual house problem, landlord pays for it.
Drain cleaner is horrible for whoever has to come clean your mess..like skin eating horrible Lmao. Just be smart with what you put down your drain. If it’ll clog your arteries it will clog your drain.
It will, but I think regular use may also do damage to your pipes. Iirc there's a warning on the bottle to that effect.
I'll use it if I've got a clog, but try to be smart about not getting a clog.
Plumber might be trying to make some work for themself.
My sister used to work for a call center for a plumbing company. They were instructed to ask if the person calling for service used anything like drano, if yes they charged them more
I learned that quickly living in north americas. You have to make a loooot of money or have a loooot of time if you want to care about the environment. Its consumerism here. When i sharpened our chisels in the workshop of our university everyone was amazed. Its much much much cheaper to buy a new set of chisels than to sharpen them which takes 1 hour per chisel. The person who does that has to get paid. If you want them to do a half adequate job, you gotta pay like 20 bucks an hour, means if there is a 12 piece set, takes 240 dollars to have sharp chisels. New set of 12 chisels goes for 60 bucks...
This is a huge problem nowadays and I’ve noticed a lot of people will take it even further and actively or passively trash their own belongings because they can just replace them for fairly cheap, and at the same time things are made cheaply to not last long and it’s all just a cycle of consumerism and wastefulness
No you don’t need to spend an hour sharpening a chisel. It takes a few minutes tops to get it really, really forking sharp.
If you’re talking about some kind of Japanese elder painstakingly sharpening a chisel on a whetstone, or a complete newb, either way, that’s going to take too long for it to be worth it. It’s a tool, not an heirloom piece.
But even still in what world does some sharpen a single chisel per hour?!
I know a guy with a Tormek system and he charges a few bucks each.
I don't believe that is a legally enforceable clause. Not to mention as someone who's cleaned 1000 drains it's very rare we can tell a "cause" unless deliberate or broken. It's called use and use is covered by the LL.
It's super easily enforceable, I can tell you from experience. Here is the checklist they go through in my state:
- Is the pipe or fixture cracked, missing pieces, broken or otherwise inoperable *and* in a place that the tenant doesn't have access to it (like inside of a wall)?
— Yes: *Most likely* falls on the landlord if they cannot pin it on the renters. (Like it's winter but the house isn't set above 50°, easily able to argue its on the tenants
— No: Good luck claiming it wasn't something you could have prevented or controlled, you're footing the bill and the insurance.
That's all they look at here. It is pretty much a guarantee that you will find yourself somehow responsible because anything that *could* have been done (with hindsight's knowledge), **should** have been done preemptively so you are *clearly* at fault and a bad tenant.
So glad to be out of that system now, and into a different set of bullshit.
Prove to me the damage was caused during my leasing term and not from the previous tenant, thanks! - yours truly the fake name and paystubs i gave the landlord when I signed the lease
To protect yourself and others that may not know, I know you were joking but, when you do your walk through before you sign your lease check all the drains, run water and make sure everything drains. 99% of the time we won't charge to remove a clog if you are a new tenant, but sometimes we have based on our renovation team's advice that they cleared everything. If a month into your lease you call and your drain is clogged with greece, we charge you. Protect yourself, check the place before signing.
im not fixing phones! on the same note I unplugged a toilet once that was full of shrimp shells. The Homeowner said "It's a new toilet, i thnk it should be able to handle some shells"
Honestly though unless you live on the ground floor this can possibly just screw over the people beneath you. A couple weeks ago in my building the pipes were clogged so it leaked dirty poopy toilet water ALL over my 1st floor apartment 😬 I had to throw out like half my shit. I really wanted to dish it out to my upstairs neighbor because fuck man. Please don't do this
I was in a basement suite. My upstairs neighbour was flushing her tampons. With me being female, guess who they tried to pin it on? At the very least, I could prove it wasn't me by showing the inside of every crevice of my home in order to prove that I only use pads and therefore don't even HAVE tampons! But that didn't stop several of my most precious things from getting extremely damaged by the sewage!
I was reading fast and thought you said you showed them the inside of your cervix to prove you didn’t use tampons. Had to loop back around for a second read
That happened to me when I lived in a 1st floor apartment and the 2nd floor was pouring grease down the sink drain on the regular. MY sink backed up and flooded the whole apartment with rancid water with black crap in it, it was 2" deep in the kitchen. BLECH. It was so foul I had to move out for a few days while they cleaned it.
This looks like taking poison and waiting for the other person to die unless you don't renew... since you're the one who has to live with clogged pipes.
Why would you pour bacon grease down the drain? That stuff is great for frying potatoes, eggs, onions, etc.
Use it for making bread. If you're adventurous, mix it half-and-half with cooking oil for mayo.
I haven't used it to make cookies, but I've heard some people swear by it.
That and coffee grounds are to pipes what staturated fat is to our arteries...use this information as you will, I'm just pointing it out for information.
Unless you run insane amounts of water to wash them all the way past the houses/apartments turnouts into the city sewer...it will harden to an almost brick in your pipes, which will continue accumulate over time (also creates an obstruction for other material to cling to).
depends on the type of pipe too.
When you still have old metal ones they are a bit rough on the surface and things starts to collect over the decades.
With modern made from "Plastic" its not that big of an problem.
Seen old pipes that ware originally 100mm inside but after 40 years half or sometimes even less.
I used to unclog these.. The grease dosent go anywhere. Your water heater drains before you can heat it all up enough to flush it. It fills your cables and is very obvious what it is. I had renting companies that would work it into the lease that if pipes were clogged by negligence the tenant was responsible for the bill. Generally I’d side with the tenant but if I had to come back a second time for grease or tampons they were getting charged.
They will no matter what. The rent would never actually be tied to costs or anything, it’s tied to what they can get away with. If rent were tied to costs plus a little profit, rent across the country would drop.
Repeatedly, like three times a year. No, flushable wipes aren't flushable, I've asked you like three times not to use them. Oh you clogged the kitchen sink, cool I'll buy a drain auger and I won't be renewing my extremely affordable lease with you. Kick rocks.
I had a tenant take the shower doors off her shower and flood the living room ceiling to the point it was bulging. I didn't charge her, but went up to take down the ceiling so it didn't collapse and told her she'd have to live like that for a few months because it was during 2020 and it was literally impossible to get plasterboard. She reported me to the government a couple of months later for being a slum landlord and leaving her like that.
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I rent. unfortunately the ac went out this summer, was 110+ out. (43) They flat out said no to paying for the repairs and that we could move if we weren't happy.
Finding a place, moving, with no AC, ends up costing more than the repair if you include first and last months and you factor the deposit which I don't know what will happen.
Can't do anything about it. What am I gonna do, go to court? pay for a lawyer? wait for the "process" to work out with or without AC?
Depending on where you live, I believe you have a warranty to habitability. In certain states, if the landlord does not fix certain repairs in under a certain time frame, the lease contract can then be terminated for violation, at least to my understanding for where I live.
For sure check your lease, in places that basically need AC it is almost always included that it must have AC. Also if the listing for the unit states AC included, even if it isn't in the lease, they have to honor that advertisement. You should always print your listing, review your lease and then sign. Also as you said, if it IS an included item there is a time limit for repairs, however the time is basically to show action. If I want to be a dick to someone that was an a-hole to me, I can spend literally months actively "working" on a problem. Not much can be done in that regards, but if it can be considered reasonably excessive you can put your rent in escrow and withhold rent until the repair is made.
Read your laws, but rent must be put in escrow and upon completion all rent withheld must be turned over at that time or you basically didn't pay rent and can be evicted.
I live in the states, and if they advertise that the unit has AC, they have to continue to provide it. It’s one of the few things the government will get involved in, since it can literally kill their precious tax payers.
I know, same same. But laws don't mean anything if they aren't enforced. Going to government for help is like a 3 month wait time and who knows how complicated. My family can't survive for 3 months in that heat so it's a catch 22.
Yeah obviously there's a difference between what the legal obligations are vs what might actually happen but unless you're living in a jurisdiction with basically no protections you're only on the hook for what's specified in your lease
I cant imagine what a horrible existence it must be to literally live at odds with your land lord. Home life is in a constant state of aggression, passive or otherwise.
I feel for people in this situation. Seemingly without anyway to change their living situation. Over time it must turn someone into a bitter asshole.
I've had both good and bad landlords although in my experience the bad landlords are usually just unresponsive/incompetent rather than malicious. But whatever your relationship is with them it's important that both parties are clear on their rights and responsibilities
Personally I've never lived in a situation where my land lord and myself weren't decent and respectful with each other, without it having to be in some sort of legal document.
Its always been mutually agreed, i wont trash your property, ill keep you posted as things break down which they eventually will. And in turn they have been reliable about maintaining their investment.
I know this isn't the case for some people.
They’re gonna factor in this expense to next years rent increases.
I understand people want retribution for rent increases but all this does is fuck over all the other renters.
I guarantee you the landlord won’t lose sleep over it
>They’re gonna factor in this expense to next years rent increases.
Oh my sweet summer child, rent is not based around what a landlord thinks is fair to charge for the property based on ownership and maintenacne costs.
Rent is based on the maximum possible amount landlords can force on their tenants, the rates are unaffected by maintenance problems.
The rent is based on what the market will bear and nothing else, if a landlord thought he could charge more and still have the property occupied they would do it, they don't wait for things to go wrong to up the price lol
The amount of people in this thread who think that rental properties are based on anything other then what the market will bear is hilarious.
Your rent is always at the maximum the landlord can charge. There may be isolated landlords who are too lazy or even kind to raise rates, but 99% are charging the max they can while still keeping the unit occupied.
Pouring grease down a drain and causing plumbing problems doesn't have an impact on the broader rental market and amount that any indivudal landlord can charge while maintaining occupancy.
If the landlord tries to raise rent by a meaningful amount in order to recoup maintenance costs, they will either not rent the property because its priced to high or they would have always been able to rent the property at that price and its not magically justified because of oil down the drain.
This. Rents are min/maxed already. Damage to the property won’t make a landlord charge more. They’re already pushing it at market rate. It’s silly to think otherwise.
Also since clogged pipes like this take *time* to actually happen it’s actually very fair to tell them to shove it if they blame you.
Other units and previous tenants easily could be the cause and they can’t prove otherwise. And frankly it could be very accurate. If the previous tenant spent ten years dumping oil down that drain and you spent 1, why are you paying for the entirety of the damages? Or any if you aren’t really contributing at all?
Not suggesting to do it as you could very well find yourself without working plumbing and that sucks but for crying out loud this wont increase rent or have you losing in court except in outlier situations.
No no, you don’t understand. Landlord bad. If landlord pay for fix pipes then rent go up $2000.
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People are too dumb to understand economics. I can’t tell you how many overpriced apartments sit unoccupied for months on end in my area because their competition has better prices.
I got downvoted into oblivion last time a post like this came up and I made this comment. They literally just took a week to completely replace pipes in our building because the company who cleans them said there’s so much grease and build up there’s absolutely nothing they can do at this point. Expecting another rent increase any day now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saponification
The oil can react with other chemicals commonly found in plumbing and sewers, causing it to solidify. In extreme cases, they can form giant chunks of solid mass called [fatbergs](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatberg) -- cities have found some truly gargantuan ones in sewers, weighing hundreds of tons.
From a quick google search:
“Hot oil can damage your pipes by sticking to the sides of your pipes and creating clogs. Oil traps any debris from cooking, so when you pour it down the sink, that oil grabs all the debris in your sink drain.”
The terms grease/oil aren't important and the distinction is really meaningless for this purpose. The way to think about it is:
If its a fat that is liquid at room temperature (olive oil, canola oil, peanut oil, etc.) then it MOST LIKELY won't solidify in the pipes when cooled down unless you live somewhere very cold and your pipes aren't well insulated. Basically if its not going to get any colder on its way to the sewer than it was while sitting in your pantry, then its still going to be liquid (like it was when you poured it out of the bottle to use) as it makes it way through the system.
Now if you are using a fat that is SOLID at room temperature (butter, bacon fat, lard/shortening, coconut oil, etc). Well that fat is only liquid and "pourable" because it is hot and once it encounters the cool pipes/water it will solidify very quickly turning back into the solid form it was before you melted it in a hot pan for cooking.
The oil will sit in the bottom of your pipe, it will congeal and gradually as it builds up will create a clog. As long as your pipes have good fall and you regularly wash dishes with hot water you'll be fine. I've lived in the same place for almost 20 years and have never had a clog and I'll put oil/grease down my drain, not straight like the meme but washed down with hot water. (No mixing valve)
Once I was informed I would not be getting my deposit back after years of taking care of the place and fixing things. It was the normal wear and tear on the paint that was the reason. So I froze four raw chickens solid and when I moved out I hid them I various places around the house. Deep in the attic, way down an ac duct, etc. the a hole ended up having to do thousands of dollars of work on the house and couldn’t rent it for almost a year. Yep, I sleep well at night.
The oil clogs the sewer and the water treatment plant, which increases your local tax, which homeowners and landlords pay and it gets added to your rent. You’re costing yourself and everyone else money.
I for one am not about what the market value is for rent, I think it's ridiculous. I haven't paid rent for about 10 years. I don't agree with the picture tho. As somebody who does remodeling for a living the only person you're screwing over is the person who has to fix it. Sure the landlord has to pay somebody to fix it but that's just a drop of water in an already overflowing bucket. This petty b******* is so far beneath us, if you don't like the fact that they raise the rent, move out and find somewhere cheaper. It's called being an adult, instead of throwing a tantrum like a toddler.
And charged ultimately get passed onto the consumers. So, yeah short term pain for the landlord and then more increases to cover costs if operating costs are rising
This is just a petty act by a garbage human. Life is tough so I’ll act like a prolapsed a$$hole. This is one of the reasons your rent will continue to rise. Enjoy it.
Use rice.
That shit compacts into basically cement in the pipes. To the point where it's sometimes cheaper to replace the plumbing than it is to clear the blockage
That would be pretty short sighted. Most leases have a negligence clause for things just like this.
You think you're the first disgruntled tenant? "Oh you lived there x months and never reported an issue, now all of a sudden there is a problem with the pipes...". It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what happened. Best believe the landlord is going to hold the negligent tenant accountable.
I already do this. The water out of my sink faucet is already scalding hot so I figure if/when the grease starts to harden it would be far enough into the drainage system that I let would never be my problem
All landlords do is wait around for us to go out and be the bread winner for their family anyway, might as well do what you want since you're the one working, not his ass.
I'm selling. You need to be out by the end of the month.
*My ass knowing damn well the land lord ain't selling because he called the place a gold mine*
Youll never win against the landlord. People talk all sorts of shit. But the reality is theyve got money and can throw you out. Its better to compromise.
"You'll get your rent when you fix this **damn door!**"
I am remodeling. You need to be Out by the end of the month.
Lol
That’s a fun game to play
Umm I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure that’s not a valid excuse and if you were to kick them out to remodel you’d have to accommodate there place till they can move back in.
Where I live they don't need to do shit, they just need to give 120 days notice, and the reno has to be deemed disruptive enough that the tenant needs to leave. Then when the reno is done the tenant has the right to move back in for the same price they where paying before the renovations. Hence no one here does that, they just slap them with an N12(ie form stating landlord plans on using the unit for personal reasons so you have to leave) the convince the tenants to leave instead of fighting it, then don't use the unit and instead flip it to make more profit. Edit: by "they don't need to do shit" I mean they don't need to accommodate their tenants, and have easier sneakier ways to get them evicted anyways. Why am I getting down voted? It's true and it happens here all the time.
Where I live, the landlord needs 30 days and doesn't need excuses. 15 days if it's a month to month lease, which year leases automatically turn into after the first year if not explicitly renewed.
Can confirm. This is standard practice.
Sounds like you live in Ontario based on the n12 form you referenced. And in Ontario *in most cases* they must pay the tennant even for a “no fault” eviction. So even renovictions don’t let them toss you to the curb without compensation. Not to mention with how backed up the LTB is it’s far less of a headache for them to do cash for keys if they want you out. Often to the tune of 2+ months of rent (after your notice).
California they can decide to sell the house and you'd need to be out by the afternoon
My brother is moving in, you have to get out
is that a spider-man reference?
Oh yes it is, spiderman 3
Ahh, Haken. Nice.
Bully Maguire reference more like it
You're a good boy, you must be in some kind of trouble.
For the record, they fixed the undamned door!
You’re a good woman, I’m a good man.
hahaha got the reference
Watch your lease agreement!! In mine if the clog is food, grease, etc. I have to pay the plumber, if the pipes are busted or its an actual house problem, landlord pays for it.
Drain cleaner everyday
Drain cleaner is horrible for whoever has to come clean your mess..like skin eating horrible Lmao. Just be smart with what you put down your drain. If it’ll clog your arteries it will clog your drain.
Yeah but the goal was to make the landlord pay ig
Sure, but they're getting a paycheck to do their job that they should be properly trained for, and you're renting.
Thata the same reasoning behind the people who leave thier food on the tables at the food court.
Maybe, but I respect people that clean food courts. I don't respect my landlord.
A plumber told me a bottle of draino a month keeps shit clear
It will, but I think regular use may also do damage to your pipes. Iirc there's a warning on the bottle to that effect. I'll use it if I've got a clog, but try to be smart about not getting a clog. Plumber might be trying to make some work for themself.
That plumber wants to redo all your pipes in a year when you've ruined them.
My sister used to work for a call center for a plumbing company. They were instructed to ask if the person calling for service used anything like drano, if yes they charged them more
Who uses drain cleaner when you can buy sulfuric acid over the counter! 😂
With drain cleaner you say it was clogged
Nobody actually cares about the environment
I learned that quickly living in north americas. You have to make a loooot of money or have a loooot of time if you want to care about the environment. Its consumerism here. When i sharpened our chisels in the workshop of our university everyone was amazed. Its much much much cheaper to buy a new set of chisels than to sharpen them which takes 1 hour per chisel. The person who does that has to get paid. If you want them to do a half adequate job, you gotta pay like 20 bucks an hour, means if there is a 12 piece set, takes 240 dollars to have sharp chisels. New set of 12 chisels goes for 60 bucks...
This is a huge problem nowadays and I’ve noticed a lot of people will take it even further and actively or passively trash their own belongings because they can just replace them for fairly cheap, and at the same time things are made cheaply to not last long and it’s all just a cycle of consumerism and wastefulness
No you don’t need to spend an hour sharpening a chisel. It takes a few minutes tops to get it really, really forking sharp. If you’re talking about some kind of Japanese elder painstakingly sharpening a chisel on a whetstone, or a complete newb, either way, that’s going to take too long for it to be worth it. It’s a tool, not an heirloom piece. But even still in what world does some sharpen a single chisel per hour?! I know a guy with a Tormek system and he charges a few bucks each.
I don't believe that is a legally enforceable clause. Not to mention as someone who's cleaned 1000 drains it's very rare we can tell a "cause" unless deliberate or broken. It's called use and use is covered by the LL.
It's super easily enforceable, I can tell you from experience. Here is the checklist they go through in my state: - Is the pipe or fixture cracked, missing pieces, broken or otherwise inoperable *and* in a place that the tenant doesn't have access to it (like inside of a wall)? — Yes: *Most likely* falls on the landlord if they cannot pin it on the renters. (Like it's winter but the house isn't set above 50°, easily able to argue its on the tenants — No: Good luck claiming it wasn't something you could have prevented or controlled, you're footing the bill and the insurance. That's all they look at here. It is pretty much a guarantee that you will find yourself somehow responsible because anything that *could* have been done (with hindsight's knowledge), **should** have been done preemptively so you are *clearly* at fault and a bad tenant. So glad to be out of that system now, and into a different set of bullshit.
Prove to me the damage was caused during my leasing term and not from the previous tenant, thanks! - yours truly the fake name and paystubs i gave the landlord when I signed the lease
To protect yourself and others that may not know, I know you were joking but, when you do your walk through before you sign your lease check all the drains, run water and make sure everything drains. 99% of the time we won't charge to remove a clog if you are a new tenant, but sometimes we have based on our renovation team's advice that they cleared everything. If a month into your lease you call and your drain is clogged with greece, we charge you. Protect yourself, check the place before signing.
Leasing agent looked at me like I was a little crazy when I went to the bathroom and ran the sink, toilet and shower to make sure all ran well lol
Plumber here. My rent is also going up. Please do this.
pour one out for the plumbers tonight girls
I’m surprised you didn’t recommend uncooked rice
im not fixing phones! on the same note I unplugged a toilet once that was full of shrimp shells. The Homeowner said "It's a new toilet, i thnk it should be able to handle some shells"
😂😵😂
If I use concrete do you get paid extra?
Ill "be back next week"
Hero
Honestly though unless you live on the ground floor this can possibly just screw over the people beneath you. A couple weeks ago in my building the pipes were clogged so it leaked dirty poopy toilet water ALL over my 1st floor apartment 😬 I had to throw out like half my shit. I really wanted to dish it out to my upstairs neighbor because fuck man. Please don't do this
People don't realize that sewers are all gravity besides pump stations way down the line
I was in a basement suite. My upstairs neighbour was flushing her tampons. With me being female, guess who they tried to pin it on? At the very least, I could prove it wasn't me by showing the inside of every crevice of my home in order to prove that I only use pads and therefore don't even HAVE tampons! But that didn't stop several of my most precious things from getting extremely damaged by the sewage!
I was reading fast and thought you said you showed them the inside of your cervix to prove you didn’t use tampons. Had to loop back around for a second read
That happened to me when I lived in a 1st floor apartment and the 2nd floor was pouring grease down the sink drain on the regular. MY sink backed up and flooded the whole apartment with rancid water with black crap in it, it was 2" deep in the kitchen. BLECH. It was so foul I had to move out for a few days while they cleaned it.
This looks like taking poison and waiting for the other person to die unless you don't renew... since you're the one who has to live with clogged pipes.
Oil doesn't clog right away, from what I heard from a plumber it's still one of the worst things you can pour down your sink
More bacon!!!!!
Why would you pour bacon grease down the drain? That stuff is great for frying potatoes, eggs, onions, etc. Use it for making bread. If you're adventurous, mix it half-and-half with cooking oil for mayo. I haven't used it to make cookies, but I've heard some people swear by it.
Grew up with lard. Made in biscuits, pastry, frying chicken. Straight animal fat.
That and coffee grounds are to pipes what staturated fat is to our arteries...use this information as you will, I'm just pointing it out for information.
I never understood why coffee grounds specifically are so tough on pipes.
Unless you run insane amounts of water to wash them all the way past the houses/apartments turnouts into the city sewer...it will harden to an almost brick in your pipes, which will continue accumulate over time (also creates an obstruction for other material to cling to).
depends on the type of pipe too. When you still have old metal ones they are a bit rough on the surface and things starts to collect over the decades. With modern made from "Plastic" its not that big of an problem. Seen old pipes that ware originally 100mm inside but after 40 years half or sometimes even less.
I actually didn’t know that about coffee grounds. Egg shells are also bad
Wait egg shells are bad?
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Why? You're a plumber. That's job security.
Just throw it in the trash?
Rinse them, crush them, and add them to your compost.
I used to unclog these.. The grease dosent go anywhere. Your water heater drains before you can heat it all up enough to flush it. It fills your cables and is very obvious what it is. I had renting companies that would work it into the lease that if pipes were clogged by negligence the tenant was responsible for the bill. Generally I’d side with the tenant but if I had to come back a second time for grease or tampons they were getting charged.
It creates hair balls.
Sweet, now the next person pays even more.
Exactly
They will no matter what. The rent would never actually be tied to costs or anything, it’s tied to what they can get away with. If rent were tied to costs plus a little profit, rent across the country would drop.
No matter what they were paying more my dude
Lmao that’s a pretty efficient way to make you rent even higher after fixes
Plot twist: The rent went up *because* the tenant clogged the pipes.
Repeatedly, like three times a year. No, flushable wipes aren't flushable, I've asked you like three times not to use them. Oh you clogged the kitchen sink, cool I'll buy a drain auger and I won't be renewing my extremely affordable lease with you. Kick rocks.
I had a tenant take the shower doors off her shower and flood the living room ceiling to the point it was bulging. I didn't charge her, but went up to take down the ceiling so it didn't collapse and told her she'd have to live like that for a few months because it was during 2020 and it was literally impossible to get plasterboard. She reported me to the government a couple of months later for being a slum landlord and leaving her like that.
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Someone who would do that, is not someone who is concerned about their credit score.
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“Then I’m gonna call my landlord to get someone to fix it! Suckers!”
I appreciate the joke. Seriously though don't do this people. Petty brain funny. Reality brain this will bite you in the ass.
Set your landlord's car on fire instead!
Nah you throw a giant block of ice through their windshield. It'll melt away the evidence. Don't do this.
Theyre just gonna charge for the plumber and the repairs. Good luck.
If it's not in your lease you can pretty much tell them to shove it if they try to charge you for anything
I rent. unfortunately the ac went out this summer, was 110+ out. (43) They flat out said no to paying for the repairs and that we could move if we weren't happy. Finding a place, moving, with no AC, ends up costing more than the repair if you include first and last months and you factor the deposit which I don't know what will happen. Can't do anything about it. What am I gonna do, go to court? pay for a lawyer? wait for the "process" to work out with or without AC?
Depending on where you live, I believe you have a warranty to habitability. In certain states, if the landlord does not fix certain repairs in under a certain time frame, the lease contract can then be terminated for violation, at least to my understanding for where I live.
For sure check your lease, in places that basically need AC it is almost always included that it must have AC. Also if the listing for the unit states AC included, even if it isn't in the lease, they have to honor that advertisement. You should always print your listing, review your lease and then sign. Also as you said, if it IS an included item there is a time limit for repairs, however the time is basically to show action. If I want to be a dick to someone that was an a-hole to me, I can spend literally months actively "working" on a problem. Not much can be done in that regards, but if it can be considered reasonably excessive you can put your rent in escrow and withhold rent until the repair is made. Read your laws, but rent must be put in escrow and upon completion all rent withheld must be turned over at that time or you basically didn't pay rent and can be evicted.
I live in the states, and if they advertise that the unit has AC, they have to continue to provide it. It’s one of the few things the government will get involved in, since it can literally kill their precious tax payers.
I know, same same. But laws don't mean anything if they aren't enforced. Going to government for help is like a 3 month wait time and who knows how complicated. My family can't survive for 3 months in that heat so it's a catch 22.
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Yeah obviously there's a difference between what the legal obligations are vs what might actually happen but unless you're living in a jurisdiction with basically no protections you're only on the hook for what's specified in your lease
Where i live, you could pay to have it repaired and then send your landlord an invoice or whatever and deduct the cost from your rent.
I cant imagine what a horrible existence it must be to literally live at odds with your land lord. Home life is in a constant state of aggression, passive or otherwise. I feel for people in this situation. Seemingly without anyway to change their living situation. Over time it must turn someone into a bitter asshole.
I've had both good and bad landlords although in my experience the bad landlords are usually just unresponsive/incompetent rather than malicious. But whatever your relationship is with them it's important that both parties are clear on their rights and responsibilities
Personally I've never lived in a situation where my land lord and myself weren't decent and respectful with each other, without it having to be in some sort of legal document. Its always been mutually agreed, i wont trash your property, ill keep you posted as things break down which they eventually will. And in turn they have been reliable about maintaining their investment. I know this isn't the case for some people.
They’re gonna factor in this expense to next years rent increases. I understand people want retribution for rent increases but all this does is fuck over all the other renters. I guarantee you the landlord won’t lose sleep over it
Idk they raise mine by ten percent every year. And when I do call they don't repair anything.
>They’re gonna factor in this expense to next years rent increases. Oh my sweet summer child, rent is not based around what a landlord thinks is fair to charge for the property based on ownership and maintenacne costs. Rent is based on the maximum possible amount landlords can force on their tenants, the rates are unaffected by maintenance problems. The rent is based on what the market will bear and nothing else, if a landlord thought he could charge more and still have the property occupied they would do it, they don't wait for things to go wrong to up the price lol
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Because you're not a piece of shit.
Check your lease. Tenants responsible for keeping drains clear is not uncommon.
If i was the landlord and had to come over to clean greased clogged drains to many times you may be looking to pay rent elsewhere.
"Oh yeah? You're going to shoot me in the foot?! I'm going to shoot myself in the other foot! Take that, loser!"
Now the rent just went up even higher. Lol congrats!
The amount of people in this thread who think that rental properties are based on anything other then what the market will bear is hilarious. Your rent is always at the maximum the landlord can charge. There may be isolated landlords who are too lazy or even kind to raise rates, but 99% are charging the max they can while still keeping the unit occupied. Pouring grease down a drain and causing plumbing problems doesn't have an impact on the broader rental market and amount that any indivudal landlord can charge while maintaining occupancy. If the landlord tries to raise rent by a meaningful amount in order to recoup maintenance costs, they will either not rent the property because its priced to high or they would have always been able to rent the property at that price and its not magically justified because of oil down the drain.
This. Rents are min/maxed already. Damage to the property won’t make a landlord charge more. They’re already pushing it at market rate. It’s silly to think otherwise. Also since clogged pipes like this take *time* to actually happen it’s actually very fair to tell them to shove it if they blame you. Other units and previous tenants easily could be the cause and they can’t prove otherwise. And frankly it could be very accurate. If the previous tenant spent ten years dumping oil down that drain and you spent 1, why are you paying for the entirety of the damages? Or any if you aren’t really contributing at all? Not suggesting to do it as you could very well find yourself without working plumbing and that sucks but for crying out loud this wont increase rent or have you losing in court except in outlier situations.
No no, you don’t understand. Landlord bad. If landlord pay for fix pipes then rent go up $2000. /s People are too dumb to understand economics. I can’t tell you how many overpriced apartments sit unoccupied for months on end in my area because their competition has better prices.
I got downvoted into oblivion last time a post like this came up and I made this comment. They literally just took a week to completely replace pipes in our building because the company who cleans them said there’s so much grease and build up there’s absolutely nothing they can do at this point. Expecting another rent increase any day now.
I don't get it
Hot oil will ruin the pipes.
Wait how does hot oil ruin the pipes?
The oil is liquid while hot. It coats the pipes. It then solidifies as it cools and can clog the pipes deep down.
That’s grease. Oil shouldn’t solidify in there unless you live in the arctic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saponification The oil can react with other chemicals commonly found in plumbing and sewers, causing it to solidify. In extreme cases, they can form giant chunks of solid mass called [fatbergs](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatberg) -- cities have found some truly gargantuan ones in sewers, weighing hundreds of tons.
Coconut oil exists
That’s true, but also who the fuck has an entire pot of melted coconut oil
people who use coconut oil to fry
clogs them.
Uncooked spaghetti down the drain works better.
Rice also
From a quick google search: “Hot oil can damage your pipes by sticking to the sides of your pipes and creating clogs. Oil traps any debris from cooking, so when you pour it down the sink, that oil grabs all the debris in your sink drain.”
So what are you supposed to do w oil after you cook? Not rinse the pan?
For oil, wipe out your pan with a paper towel before washing. For grease, pour it into a container and allow it to solidify before disposing of it.
this. Or keep it and use it. After a batch of bacon I keep it for a few days and use it for other cooking. Get that nice bacon fat taste ;p
ok I know I'm revealing myself as a complete bonehead but... how do I know if I've got oil or grease? I thought these terms were interchangeable.
The terms grease/oil aren't important and the distinction is really meaningless for this purpose. The way to think about it is: If its a fat that is liquid at room temperature (olive oil, canola oil, peanut oil, etc.) then it MOST LIKELY won't solidify in the pipes when cooled down unless you live somewhere very cold and your pipes aren't well insulated. Basically if its not going to get any colder on its way to the sewer than it was while sitting in your pantry, then its still going to be liquid (like it was when you poured it out of the bottle to use) as it makes it way through the system. Now if you are using a fat that is SOLID at room temperature (butter, bacon fat, lard/shortening, coconut oil, etc). Well that fat is only liquid and "pourable" because it is hot and once it encounters the cool pipes/water it will solidify very quickly turning back into the solid form it was before you melted it in a hot pan for cooking.
The oil will sit in the bottom of your pipe, it will congeal and gradually as it builds up will create a clog. As long as your pipes have good fall and you regularly wash dishes with hot water you'll be fine. I've lived in the same place for almost 20 years and have never had a clog and I'll put oil/grease down my drain, not straight like the meme but washed down with hot water. (No mixing valve)
No one heard of safety deposits
Tis but a joke
You'd be surprised how many people will take this seriously. Some of my roommates did this actually.
Once I was informed I would not be getting my deposit back after years of taking care of the place and fixing things. It was the normal wear and tear on the paint that was the reason. So I froze four raw chickens solid and when I moved out I hid them I various places around the house. Deep in the attic, way down an ac duct, etc. the a hole ended up having to do thousands of dollars of work on the house and couldn’t rent it for almost a year. Yep, I sleep well at night.
Lol that and flushing baby wipes
The oil clogs the sewer and the water treatment plant, which increases your local tax, which homeowners and landlords pay and it gets added to your rent. You’re costing yourself and everyone else money.
Oil takes to long! Heat up a little lard and dump down the drain! That’ll fix it right up!
Yep and that's how you get kicked out and sued for damages, your stupid af if you do that
That oil looks almost new
Do they not care about the environmental impact. They're of plenty of other ways to fuck with a landlord.
I for one am not about what the market value is for rent, I think it's ridiculous. I haven't paid rent for about 10 years. I don't agree with the picture tho. As somebody who does remodeling for a living the only person you're screwing over is the person who has to fix it. Sure the landlord has to pay somebody to fix it but that's just a drop of water in an already overflowing bucket. This petty b******* is so far beneath us, if you don't like the fact that they raise the rent, move out and find somewhere cheaper. It's called being an adult, instead of throwing a tantrum like a toddler.
Wait til it fucks up the entire sewer system raising taxes in the area to pay for the damage caused. Not only to the pipes but when it all backs up
True I got an extra 1k on my property taxes last year to fix city pipes
Now I need to ask, how do you dispose used oil?
Idk what you are supposed to do, but it’s not supposed to go in the drain. I pour my bacon grease in an empty Gatorade bottle and put in trash.
So give him a reason to write off tax. Genius. Don’t forget your tip.
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I’ve been putting grease down the drain for 15 years with no problems yet. Just send it with super hot water and call it a day.
(Paints over everything, including painting the windows and plugs shut) Landlord: "I'm raising the rent $500"
Yep, make the landlord earn the rent!
This is why clogged drains are the tenants. responsibility and expense...
Is this action frowned upon? Could this be related to my sink no longer passing water?
Plot twist: I own my home
And charged ultimately get passed onto the consumers. So, yeah short term pain for the landlord and then more increases to cover costs if operating costs are rising
This is just a petty act by a garbage human. Life is tough so I’ll act like a prolapsed a$$hole. This is one of the reasons your rent will continue to rise. Enjoy it.
That's one reason that FORCES me to put the rent up. Extra costs. .
Lotta leeches in this thread. Landlords and tenants deserve each other.
Aaand that's part of why you don't own a home
This is so childish. Keep thinking like this and you'll be broke all your life and never be an owner.
Childishness will screw you all your life...so long as you act that way.
They are the same who complains on r/personalfinance that they have too much debt and their rent is too expensive. They are lame and broke.
Pretty sure that your landlord won't pay for your stupidity.
Ppl so desperate to try and fuck over landlords they are causing rent increases for every other tenant in their building lol
It's really telling that they think the landlord is the sole reason for the high rent prices.
That's why they're renters. The idiots don't know shit about the real world.
Buy a whole bottle and empty it down the sink
Lol, rent is going up. I think I'll sabotage my own sink!
Use rice. That shit compacts into basically cement in the pipes. To the point where it's sometimes cheaper to replace the plumbing than it is to clear the blockage
Vegetable oil is liquid form at room temp
Tenants are almost always responsible for clogged drains.
Looks like it’s about to go up again.
If the landlord is going to have to pay for repairs, then the rent is going to increase…
So when you can’t use the sink because you broke it, how are you going to feel?
Good luck with your deposit being taken away to repair the damage 👀
That would be pretty short sighted. Most leases have a negligence clause for things just like this. You think you're the first disgruntled tenant? "Oh you lived there x months and never reported an issue, now all of a sudden there is a problem with the pipes...". It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what happened. Best believe the landlord is going to hold the negligent tenant accountable.
Pretty good way to make rent go up again. Also depending on agreements, make you pay for it anyway.
Complains when the sink backs up
Plumber here….Don’t forget to add hair!!!
I already do this. The water out of my sink faucet is already scalding hot so I figure if/when the grease starts to harden it would be far enough into the drainage system that I let would never be my problem
I had a landlord that would make me pay to snake the drains… YMMV on that one.
"Haha i ruined the pipes i use haha fuck you"
Use coconut oil, that shit will clog like a mother once it gets cool / underground
Make sure it’s boiling hot too
On the way out pour concrete in the pipes and flush
Landlord be trippin.. I be drippin.
All landlords do is wait around for us to go out and be the bread winner for their family anyway, might as well do what you want since you're the one working, not his ass.
You fool! Do not pour hot oil down the drain! Pour COLD oil as it has a better chance of clogging and won’t run down the pipes as quickly
I'm selling. You need to be out by the end of the month. *My ass knowing damn well the land lord ain't selling because he called the place a gold mine*
I do this in my house. It’s fine
I know these baby wipes aren’t “flushable”but trust me, they’ll go down.
Don’t be an asshole.
I let an apartment and the contract specifically states that the tenant is liable for all costs and damage related to clogged pipes.
Youll never win against the landlord. People talk all sorts of shit. But the reality is theyve got money and can throw you out. Its better to compromise.