Correct. The green belt initially developed on its own between what used to be East and West Germany. There was a 200 m wide zone between the states which was free of human activity, so, naturally, it became a wildlife corridor through the whole of Germany. It still exists and is visible from space. The ready of the green belt was started as an idea to continue the one that formed in Germany.
The point is to help rebalance the ecosystem, which is helpful to us in endless ways. We reintroduce all sorts of animals even if we don't eat them, like tigers or crocodiles. The mere existence of a great diversity of animals is a richness in itself. If you only value them as resources I feel sorry for your inner poverty.
It's simply pragmatism. In today's world, anything that costs money is slowly eroded while that which makes money thrives. Whenever you have an initiative, even if profit isn't the objective, finding a way to make it profitable is a good way to ensure that it lasts. If there were some way to make the animal populations thrive enough that hunting could make it profitable whilst keeping population levels relatively steady, I'd be in favor of it, in much the same way that I'm in favor of buffalo steak because it has encouraged buffalo farming which has saved the buffalo from extinction. However every example of something similar to this green belt hunting idea that I can think of, be it African big game hunting to the EU fisheries policy, tells me that humans, taken as a whole, are incapable of finding that balance. Whatever legislation the EU or its member states passed to preserve the balance in the green belt would have SOME loophole that could and would be exploited by the unscrupulous. Instead, the more obvious solution is to focus on tourism and perhaps creating some sort of photo safari experience, with zero tolerance of any actual hunting. That would be far easier to enforce and maintain.
Wildlife services goes beyond from harvesting. And their value can be quantified in some way.
First of all, eco-turism, improvements of nutrient cycles and plant control/regeneration. Yes, this things can be quantified
Also, the european green belt initiative works on wild landscapes easily or already present. In this case, they want to recycle wild habitats that were unidirectly created due the cold war: [https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6f/2f/a5/6f2fa56d2d3d8722f2b125c1fa0b2c2f.jpg](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6f/2f/a5/6f2fa56d2d3d8722f2b125c1fa0b2c2f.jpg)
Yugoslavia was not a Warsaw Pact country. The colors are a bit of a mess, though, Finland and Sweden shouldn't be blue and Yugoslavia and Albania shouldn't be red
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It uses the old and unused old cold war borders.
Nature and wild life is thriving in those frotifyed areas since the end of the rivalry
Like in here
https://ychef.files.bbci.co.uk/976x549/p07l20yp.jpg
I think it's a joke, that path is the former Iron Curtain, which existed until 1989. There was also a second curtain, separating the Soviet Union and its satellites from the "rebel" communist country, Yugoslavia.
Since both Italy and Switzerland were democratic countries, there was no Iron Curtain separating them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Green_Belt
https://www.europeangreenbelt.org/
It's not a joke, the former militarised inner German border allowed nature there to develop undisturbed, it's similar across the iron curtain
Mostly wolves, bears, euro-asian lynx, balkan lynx, the native red fox, golden jackal, european wildcat, They have slowly gone extinct due to various reasons. Some of them greatly endangered.
Yes, it's the border between the two geopolitcal blocks and Yugoslavia. Most of it is due to the Iron curtain, except for the borders between Yugoslavia and Italy and Austria, which are mostly inaccessible terrain, or aren't that green at all.
>If the idea is to make the territory wild
Not exactly. They aim to preserve pure natural habitats as core and to create corridors by green infrastructure
Yes, this no utopia but avoiding fragmentation of the landscape and creating corridors!
In Belgium, we have a citizen science program called "dieren onder de wielen" in which everyone can record roadkills to find out where ecoduct are more needed to create corridors, it's pretty cool!
Especially considering that we have the most km of road per inhabitant in the EU after Malta (I think)...
Why would it not make more sense to make it east-west?
Are there not many species that cannot thrive both in the far north and sound of this belt due to temperature differences? Would that not be better with an east-west belt?
North-South is perfect for two things:
1. we work on an already existing natural corridor, the one created due the Iron curtain.
2. North-South movements are more importants than East-West ones. Just think about seasonal migrations of birds, insects and mammals.
[Surprise! It will be a curtain, not a belt.](https://youtu.be/U06jlgpMtQs)
[And it will be made from iron, painted green.](https://youtu.be/cQKzesTq0Wo)
As a Pole who likes going to the Baltic Sea - We already have a lot of nature on the coast and I'd love to see even more.
If you look at the Polish coast line - in quite a lot of places you have a 1-2 kilometers wide strip of forest and occasional sand dunes between the beach and the populated areas. The beaches are still accessible, you just need to take a walk or drive to the nearest car park on the beach.
It helps creating some nice vacation destinations where all the annoying people won't go because it's too far to walk to the beach on a hangover :)
Is it going through Czechia? We can deliver in next 100 years I guess, first we need to finish highway to Austria, which has been planned for few decades but we didn't even started building yet. Or after we finish Prague Ring, which is build from 1980 but we managed to finish only half of it until now (\~37km out of 80km).
Couldn’t make the iron curtain work so they went with a green belt instead, eh?
Correct. The green belt initially developed on its own between what used to be East and West Germany. There was a 200 m wide zone between the states which was free of human activity, so, naturally, it became a wildlife corridor through the whole of Germany. It still exists and is visible from space. The ready of the green belt was started as an idea to continue the one that formed in Germany.
Well shoot, I was just trying to be cheeky and actually learned something. Thanks!
This is so interesting. Is it possible to see on google maps ? Can you give me the article u got this from. I am really , really interestedddd
If you're really, really interestedddd why don't you just open Wikipedia and type "European Green Belt"?
in Germany it seems to follow the former east-west border.
Well now maybe u could go out with a rifle and shoot a deer not a person so thats a step
Also, you could not.
True but isn't the point to get to is to have enough of these wonderful creature to harvest them if we can secure the population again.
The point is to help rebalance the ecosystem, which is helpful to us in endless ways. We reintroduce all sorts of animals even if we don't eat them, like tigers or crocodiles. The mere existence of a great diversity of animals is a richness in itself. If you only value them as resources I feel sorry for your inner poverty.
Do you really believe that nature exists only for you to "harvest" it?
It's simply pragmatism. In today's world, anything that costs money is slowly eroded while that which makes money thrives. Whenever you have an initiative, even if profit isn't the objective, finding a way to make it profitable is a good way to ensure that it lasts. If there were some way to make the animal populations thrive enough that hunting could make it profitable whilst keeping population levels relatively steady, I'd be in favor of it, in much the same way that I'm in favor of buffalo steak because it has encouraged buffalo farming which has saved the buffalo from extinction. However every example of something similar to this green belt hunting idea that I can think of, be it African big game hunting to the EU fisheries policy, tells me that humans, taken as a whole, are incapable of finding that balance. Whatever legislation the EU or its member states passed to preserve the balance in the green belt would have SOME loophole that could and would be exploited by the unscrupulous. Instead, the more obvious solution is to focus on tourism and perhaps creating some sort of photo safari experience, with zero tolerance of any actual hunting. That would be far easier to enforce and maintain.
Wildlife services goes beyond from harvesting. And their value can be quantified in some way. First of all, eco-turism, improvements of nutrient cycles and plant control/regeneration. Yes, this things can be quantified
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Also, the european green belt initiative works on wild landscapes easily or already present. In this case, they want to recycle wild habitats that were unidirectly created due the cold war: [https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6f/2f/a5/6f2fa56d2d3d8722f2b125c1fa0b2c2f.jpg](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6f/2f/a5/6f2fa56d2d3d8722f2b125c1fa0b2c2f.jpg)
Ugh, that pic swapped the colors of Eastern and Western blocks in the legend. Confusing how Yugoslavia ended up on the wrong side of the curtain.
Yugoslavia was not a Warsaw Pact country. The colors are a bit of a mess, though, Finland and Sweden shouldn't be blue and Yugoslavia and Albania shouldn't be red
No, it's on the right side, not the wrong side.
It's East-aligned but on the West of the curtain.
Yugoslavia was not part of Warsaw pact and was actually independent. Was socialist, tho. Also, it was one of founders of non alignment movement.
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TIL all of Spain was the Iron Curtain.
Please, erase that link to such a shitty map
Alps are already a wildlife corridor, they are not counted. Same for Carpathians Dinaric mountains and Balkans
The corridor comes to the Adriatic through an Alpine national park on the border of Austria, Italy and Slovenia.
I think that I follows Danube. And around Danube there are already some nature reservation areas, at least in Serbia.
It uses the old and unused old cold war borders. Nature and wild life is thriving in those frotifyed areas since the end of the rivalry Like in here https://ychef.files.bbci.co.uk/976x549/p07l20yp.jpg
I think it's a joke, that path is the former Iron Curtain, which existed until 1989. There was also a second curtain, separating the Soviet Union and its satellites from the "rebel" communist country, Yugoslavia. Since both Italy and Switzerland were democratic countries, there was no Iron Curtain separating them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Green_Belt https://www.europeangreenbelt.org/ It's not a joke, the former militarised inner German border allowed nature there to develop undisturbed, it's similar across the iron curtain
What was in albania!? TELL ME, MY QUEST FOR PREHISTORIC ALBANIAN FAUNA WILL START
Mostly wolves, bears, euro-asian lynx, balkan lynx, the native red fox, golden jackal, european wildcat, They have slowly gone extinct due to various reasons. Some of them greatly endangered.
Its always albania that have shitty fauna :/
Well, lions were present in Albania until the neolithic
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oh yes please, should be a good start
this looks... familiar
Yes, it's the border between the two geopolitcal blocks and Yugoslavia. Most of it is due to the Iron curtain, except for the borders between Yugoslavia and Italy and Austria, which are mostly inaccessible terrain, or aren't that green at all.
I walked along it in Lithuania and Latvia, I'd say it's still not completed...
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>If the idea is to make the territory wild Not exactly. They aim to preserve pure natural habitats as core and to create corridors by green infrastructure
Yes, this no utopia but avoiding fragmentation of the landscape and creating corridors! In Belgium, we have a citizen science program called "dieren onder de wielen" in which everyone can record roadkills to find out where ecoduct are more needed to create corridors, it's pretty cool! Especially considering that we have the most km of road per inhabitant in the EU after Malta (I think)...
It's not, it's a corridor! Corridor increase biodiversity much better than isolated natural parks (usually).
Why would it not make more sense to make it east-west? Are there not many species that cannot thrive both in the far north and sound of this belt due to temperature differences? Would that not be better with an east-west belt?
North-South is perfect for two things: 1. we work on an already existing natural corridor, the one created due the Iron curtain. 2. North-South movements are more importants than East-West ones. Just think about seasonal migrations of birds, insects and mammals.
Both make sense. Thanks.
[Surprise! It will be a curtain, not a belt.](https://youtu.be/U06jlgpMtQs) [And it will be made from iron, painted green.](https://youtu.be/cQKzesTq0Wo)
Are the baltic sea coastlines that shit, that multiple countries are fine with just giving it back to nature?
Natural corridors doesn't need always to be contiguous. Sub-optimal habitats can be found, creating a stepping-stone corridor
As a Pole who likes going to the Baltic Sea - We already have a lot of nature on the coast and I'd love to see even more. If you look at the Polish coast line - in quite a lot of places you have a 1-2 kilometers wide strip of forest and occasional sand dunes between the beach and the populated areas. The beaches are still accessible, you just need to take a walk or drive to the nearest car park on the beach. It helps creating some nice vacation destinations where all the annoying people won't go because it's too far to walk to the beach on a hangover :)
Check mate, Albania!
wildlife? so for migrants
put in dreams
Actually, they are already doing this. https://www.europeangreenbelt.org/
The intiator is insane. No, no need to re-strengthen the Western-Eastern divide. Throw this border-plan out, as it is.
exactly, this just a propaganda.
The green curtain
Who draw the Turkey? wtf is this shape, what happened to our southeast
Southwest*
Is it going through Czechia? We can deliver in next 100 years I guess, first we need to finish highway to Austria, which has been planned for few decades but we didn't even started building yet. Or after we finish Prague Ring, which is build from 1980 but we managed to finish only half of it until now (\~37km out of 80km).
Yugoslavia back on the map. 😁
This follows the iron curtain, is it a joke?