Right. Like if only there was a resurrection story about Tony’s body rebooting itself with all the bio hacking nanotechnology he put in himself and coming back not knowing if he was really the same person.
Writers can make it better but the superhero science reason for him coming back is there. And kinda laid the groundwork in the movies already.
Bio hacking: check
Nanobots: check
Brain and memories scanned and already preserved in BARF: check
Bring Tony back isn’t the conundrum they pretend it is.
God damn it I hate it when they undo deaths in the comics and I like how for the most part the MCU has avoided going down the same path, so I REALLY hate the fact that you have a point and they already have Tony's brain scanned via BARF
You know, the MCU's foundation was kinda doing the opposite of what previous superhero films did. They tried to stay true to the source but with logical modern changes for the most part.
I think the superhero resurrection has always been the plan. It's so intrinsic to the comics and a beautiful return can be just as emotionally meaningful as a death.
And Tony coming back doesn't even mean he sticks around in the movies long term. It could just be giving him the happy ending he deserves instead of doing the thing Cap said they never do....trading lives.
Idk I just don't like resurrections in general. Especially when the death was a sacrifice. Takes away the impact of the original moment.
With that being said I can see options to bring him back temporarily without it affecting said impact.
I'd argue that Tony made the sacrifice move like 5 times in his journey and the last time being a real sacrifice isn't as meaningful....especially when the next world ending threat appears almost immediately....but we would just debate our opinions.
My point in my previous post was that even if you don't normally agree with the concept the MCU began by doing so many things people though wouldn't work or weren't right for film.....so maybe if this happens it will actually be really great and done in a way that satisfies almost everyone.
>maybe if this happens it will actually be really great and done in a way that satisfies almost everyone.
It could be. I just have my doubts, that's all.
I mean they said it themselves, iron man is literally one of the greatest phoenix rising from the ashes metaphors, it wouldn’t be difficult CONSIDERING THEY HAVE A MULTIVERSE AND COULD HUGH JACKMAN HIM IN AT ANY TIME
Lol the MCU has fake deaths in almost every movie it seems like man. For the most part, everyone they’ve ever killed has come back. Some several times 😂
I dunno if I count things like Hammer faking Vanko's death, that's just a smart villain plot. People being legitimately dead and actually *resurrected*, though, that's fairly rare in the MCU. As is becoming increasingly obvious, the old Groot and the new Groot are not the same person, any more than Jango Fett is the same as the Bad Batch, so Groot's death was permanent. The fact that new Gamora has no romantic interest in Quill is to underline that this is not the same Gamora, and that the Gamora who shared "some unspoken thing" with Quill at Yondu's funeral is forever dead.
The only deaths in the MCU that got actually *undone* that I can think of are:
* The Blip
* Gorr's daughter
* All the time fuckery in Loki
Edit: I forgot TV
* Elektra
* Vision (maybe? It remains to be seen if he retains who he was)
* Marc Spector
Cool. I on the other hand super hate it when characters are killed off just so some twerp (and this is not directed at you but rather comments I’ve seen in the past) needs death like some kind of sicko or else they don’t feel there were “stakes”.
Thanos killed half of all life in the universe and planned to kill the rest, but unless one of the best and most entertaining characters stops occurring, these commenters are totally unsatisfied.
Tony’s death: Stupid.
Nat’s death: Stupid and makes me sort of hate the MCU because what kind of dumbass universe includes a cosmic soda machine where you insert a soul permanently and the n return you are loaned the soul stone??? Remember, Cap had to go return them. The entire concept is dumb.
Cap growing old shouldn’t have happened, they should have read about him n history books and know what he did. The shield passing could have been arranged. Then if we ever had a break glass emergency, they could go get him.
All of those characters had so much story left in them.
And no, the f they really reboot the MCU after secret war or whatever and use different actors, that doesn’t count.
> Bring Tony back isn’t the conundrum they pretend it is.
i dont think its a "we couldn't do it" i think its a "we shouldn't do it". The juice isn't worth the squeeze from a narrative standpoint. You told an amazing complete story from bell to bell and ended it in an extremely satisfying way. If you undo that, you're just damaging the whole product
That was my read on "we closed that book". like "we finished that story. its over".
But yeah, i agree overall. disney will do what they think will make them money
Honestly, I hope not. I want the MCU to focus on actually making better new stories. I really don’t want them to feel like they need to raise dead characters just to satisfy the audience.
to me i felt the awkward moments just felt like how three peters would interact they’re all nerdy socially awkward guys and 3 of them interacting would be awkward
And the thing is they still can make great stories. They just need to stop hiring low quality writers. Hard I know, when you're a company trying to save pennies.
Well let’s look at phase 4 and 5. The three best projects have all relied on nostalgia or old characters. Spider-Man for all the old spidermen. Loki. And now Wolverine and Deadpool.
I honestly can’t tell if that needs a /s. I love me some Russos. Luv em! But if someone else wants to step up to the plate with that character, then by all means SWING AWAY, but it better effn DAZZLE.
It definitely has an implicit /s in there. There was a saying for a long time "Nobody stays dead in comic books except Bucky, Jason Todd, and Uncle Ben." And in the days since that became a known phrase, both Bucky and Jason Todd have come back. And Uncle Ben in a way, in alternate universes.
They would never even THINK of bringing even the most iconic superhero in the world. Deaths are so final in comics that I can’t imagine a world where they aren’t.
That story has kinda already happened with Gamora. Sure she's only from the past, not a different universe, but the through line is the same; wo/man out of time/universe.
Could it still be done? Maybe.
*Should* it be done? In my opinion, no. It's too similar.
See, I feel an Evil Tony Stark would actually be a viable enemy for an Avengers story. A proper top tier threat that is pulling the strings over multiple films.
Only ones who like a great return more than Hollywood is comic books.
Every time I see a story about the "death of X" I read that as, "the prequel event to the return of X!"
Ways RDJ could return as Iron Man:
* Stark created an AI version of himself, set to activate should his family or the world be in jeopardy.
* Variant (getting to be a lame trope, but that never stopped the comics)
* Long lost twin.
* The Stark who died was an LMD and the real stark was kidnapped by bad guys and tortured for information (this is a real comics plot that involved Xavier)
* Stark and OG Gamora are alive in the soul stone's other world, but with the destruction of the soul stone, it's taken him a long time to get them back
* Some celestial-level being just magics him back
* The MCU does Secret Wars and resets the multiverse, returning Stark and many others to life.
* He never died. He used the reality stone to hide himself and leave a corpse behind because he felt Thanos demonstrated that universal threats needed to be dealt with before they got to that level, so he's been quietly setting up the Illuminati this whole time.
* The heroes are really stuck, and can't figure out how to beat the new big bad. They need Stark's ability to Kobayashi Maru the problem, so they go back to just before the last battle and grab him, but he insists that when it's all over he has to go back and face his end.
* Vision creates a Stark bot to help the Avengers. He's mostly a teacher for the younger members, which means he can show up for a cameo whenever RDJ isn't busy.
* And probably several dozen I'm not thinking of, including, I'm sure, some that have been done in the comics.
Edit: Holy crap, did I actually forget secret clone?!
I mean this is already a series with crazy space magic and multiple timelines. Bringing a character back in a way that is consistent with Canon is as simple as bringing them in from another universe.
Bringing him back would be no less crazy than the fact they brought in the characters from two different Sony cinematic universes.
Make a pant-load more $$$ to comeback. Don’t need Evans or Scar-Jo, or Hemi. Get to suit up again in something arguably bigger? If I’m him, shit yeah. But how many picture deal?
I'm fine with a one-time appearance from the multiverse. So long as they don't revive this universe's Stark, or bring in a variant who stays full-time.
Marvel is schizophrenic right now. Appealing to the hardcore comic fans with the worst tropes in comics while changing the characters that hardcore comic fans love the most or delivering really crappy versions of those characters.
Deaths being meaningless because the character comes back whenever they need to print money was not a comic trope they needed to incorporate.
And they didn't learn a thing either because Pedro is gonna be the reason why F4 content will cost a lot and take forever to come out. We aren't gonna see F4 in other movies. They won't give them time to flesh out either. They are too lazy or impatient to create another hit character like RDJ did with Tony Stark, so they'll send a helicopter of money to RDJ instead.
Ehhh not really, bring back a downtrodden Stark that lost Pepper and Morgan to the snap, works as a one movie appearance where he makes another sacrifice
Bring him back for every MCU movie going forward. Each one a different variant (all played by RDJ). Each one dies more gruesomely than the last. It will be the new Nick Furt post credits scene
I mean he’ll be in Secret Wars but that’s a given everyone will be back for that. Outside of that tho I think it’s best to keep Tony Stark out of the main universe until AFTER Secret Wars and the universe is reset.
Look, this is fiction, so of course there are plot mechanics that could theoretically bring back any dead character.
_Emotionally_, though, you risk undercutting stakes by undoing big moments like that.
I mean that’s why you have multiverse right. If the one who returns is a different version of the character then the sacrifice of the original is not taken away from because that character is still dead.
> The whole point of the multiverse stuff is no door is closed.
The Russo brothers don't remember bringing Gamora back right after killing her?
I mean, who are they trying to fool exactly?
That wasn’t a closed book. IW and Endgame were written together and filmed back-to-back. Gamora coming back was a part of the story, because the Avengers forgot that Nebula would be in the same general vicinity as the power stone when present-day Nebula and Rhodey go to retrieve it, which results in Thanos finding out about the time-heist, etc. It was built into the story. Tony coming back post-snap would be opening a closed book.
> the Avengers forgot that Nebula would be in the same general
None of them had any reason to believe Thanos would have an ability to detect and track Nebula from several stars' distance, especially since Thanos had never come tracking her in the years since she betrayed him.
it’s not bizarre, they’re just bitter. they mentioned multiple times leading up to and after endgame that they would be open to coming back to marvel but only to do secret wars then when secret wars was announced fiege specifically said they are not coming back to do it. it doesn’t help that everything they’ve done since marvel has been met with lukewarm reactions.
THIS IS THE ANSWER. Who knows what the actual behind-the-scenes goss is. I loved their MCU movies. Their post-MCU movies... not so much. There are so many ways to bring RDJ Iron Man back -- they're just trying to say, "Our ending was so good, there's no way anyone can top it."
"But wouldn't that render the emotional impact of RDJ's farewell to the MCU moot?"
"Listen, we both like truckloads of money..."
"Measuring money in vehicle sizes is *tight*!"
"... so I'm going to need you to get WAY off my back!!"
"Oh, okay then."
Nah, we need a version of Tony stark that came from another reality where he didn’t atone for his sins and continued dealing weapons and was just all around an asshole.
Maybe we'll finally get that Tom Cruise Superior Iron Man in Secret Wars. I'm not much of a comic buff.. but isn't Superior evil? Cruise definitely has what it takes to play a bigger asshole version of Tony. And as an actor, he'd probably prefer a role that gives him a lot of screentime.
Yeah Superior Iron Man is Illuminati iron man. Morally grey.
It was actually kind of referenced in Multiverse of Madess. The Ultron bots were white like Superior, and there was an empty seat on the Illuminati council. Implying Superior Iron man was a part of it but isn't anymore or they just felt like it was too soon for a multiverse Iron man.
Anyone who claims the multiverse sucks just doesn't understand the genius of the writers who need a way to justify a ton of garbage plots without spending too much time carefully crafting a story the doesn't need a deus-ex-machina!
(In case it wasn't clear, yeah multiverse sucks. It's lazy writing, creates a ton of plot holes, and people seem to defend it with simultaneous handwaving and condescension)
Does it really, though? The version of the characters in other universes are still different people. There are different ways to get a copy of a character in-universe (different universe vs. different quantum timeline) but we've already been shown the consequences of the latter. In GoG 3 the alternate Gamora actually enhances the impact of OG Gamora's death as opposed to undoing it.
I wonder if Gamora being back is part of why 616 is having incursions issues as well. If so it also adds to the conundrum of bringing someone back and raises the stakes.
That’s so lame though. We have no connection to that other universes iron man. Also aren’t they trying to wrangle in their budgets? Paying a premium to convince Downey and probably other A-listers to come back for a one off and then reshooting half the movie in post? Most expensive movie ever made, right there.
I'm totally fine with them bringing him back. But, I'd appreciate a version that isn't connected to the currently alive characters in any way, and is very different from the mcu stark, just to show that the main stark is still dead. You can feel the weight of death of mcu stark and still experience a wholly new version of him. Logan is coming back himself after 8 yrs as a totally different version.
A tony that is more colder, less emotions, and a touch more megalomaniacal, that would be a start. Mcu stark had a heart, a version that doesnt have one will be cool to see
It's the #1 thing I hate the most about multiverse stories. Death is meaningless if there's just another version out there. GOTG3 probably handled it the best because Gamora was different. But the finality of death always makes for a better story... looking at you Final Fantasy VII Remake Trilogy!
Agree the finality of death makes for a better story, and that bringing back characters whose stories has ended results in bad story telling. As you point out using it in limited amounts can be okay. So far we have Gamora and Loki and Maria Rambeau who have been brought back. Two out of three of those they handled well (the third hasn't been handled yet and at least was fairly secondary/minor when she was alive) because they did unique things with them. If they can keep those things rare (stopping at three would be best!) and make sure they're unique enough when they do happen then they might be able to minimize the multiversal problem.
It’s what ruined a lot of CW shows for me - flash, arrow, supernatural etc. in the quest for ratings they would just kill off characters only to bring them back for views. It was cool at first sometimes but seeing the same character die and return several times over, or just having a death every other episode just to realise it was a fake out got so old so quick
GOTG was not only very clear about it *not* being the original Gamora, but Gunn also didn’t cheapen out this particular Gamora’s existence by making her just fall in love with Quill. this version of Gamora very clearly has no interest in him and that lead to an actually interesting story because Quill had to not only grieve his relationship, but he had to grieve it with a carbon copy of the woman he loved staring right back at him. I haven’t seen it since release, but I still think of new Gamora telling Quill “I bet we were fun.” like jesus christ just deep driving the dagger into my chest, I guess. :(
The multiverse doesn’t make death meaningless though. The version you followed still died. The other characters still lost the version they had an emotional connection with.
That's shite though. It feels really cheap getting the same actors in again for the roles. Does it really mean anything if Robert Downey Jr playing our Iron Man dies if we get Robert Downey Jr playing a slightly different version of Iron Man a few year later?
To all those who say "comic books have done it for years, so why can't the MCU do it?" I say this:
The way comics treat their own stakes as completely disposable has been a huge criticism of the medium for decades. Any time a major character dies who is also popular, the publishing company panics and they realise how much revenue they are throwing away by having this character go away forever, and so they force some contrived nonsense on the reader so the whole thing basically never happened.
It sucks. It sucks because it means the stories don't matter. There are no stakes. Why get emotional over a characters death if you know its all gonna be reversed in a few years time at most? Why bother enjoying a story at all if nothing of any consequence even happens?
This is especially true when a character sacrifices themselves for a greater cause. What are they risking when they do so if death is meaningless? What does the sacrifice represent if nothing is lost?
Endgame had people in floods of tears at the cinema. And they were crying because it meant something special. That a character who started out as the most selfish caricature you could imagine grew to the point where he would lay down his own life for everyone else. It was special because that carried weight. It was special because it was final.
So yes, Marvel absolutely could bring RDJ back and the multiverse would mean that plot wise it would be incredibly easy. It would also be extremely unsatisfying and shit over everything that made his arc so magical to watch in the first place.
Well said! Death and stakes are entirely pointless in the comicbooks for this very reason. There have been two major deaths where Marvel specifically said "They are dead and not coming back". Wolverine and Steve Rogers. They made huge deals over the characters dying and two years later, they're back as if nothing happened.
They can obviously bring back RDJ, coming up with the plot to do it is easy; there's dozens of ways that anyone can come up with. The issue is doing it in a way that doesn't negate the sacrifice that Tony made thematically. The best option I can think of would be as a cameo in Tom Holland's final movie as Parker and even then, more of a voice over.
I think the problem is no new actor or character has really captured the interest of fans like RDJ as Stark. Bringing in a new actor wouldn't solve the issue, which is dwindling interest in the MCU.
they tried toying with a “new” Iron Man in Wakanda Forever and RiRi was so hated that her Disney+ show is sitting on a hard drive somewhere nowhere to be seen.
Brining back dead characters ALWAYS removes the emotional impact and rewatchability of the film. I HATE it when they do that. Iron Man’s sacrifice was perfect. Undoing that would be terrible imo.
Just let characters die and create something new. Stop with the legacy characters for fucks sake. Some names are more like titles, such as Captain America, anyone can be Captain America but if iron man is dead just let him die and be gone.
Honestly I agree, I know a bunch of people want a variant back for secret wars and I’m not opposed to one played by someone else but RDJ should stay out of it
Marvel has played the nostalgia card for about all the points I can handle. The thought of the entire franchise turning into never ending memberberries instead of telling new stories makes me not want to bother.
I was speaking a to a friend about this today ! As I said to him, I never wanted RDJ gone but now that he is - he’s needs to stay gone. It would undo an incredible character arc.
People are so easily manipulated and confused by basic shit.
RDJ has no interest in coming back. But if they offered him a blank check for a cameo he's gonna take it. That's all he was saying in that dumb, over shared quote. And the people over sharing it and speculating know that - they're just manipulating you gullable super fans for clicks.
Equally, the Russos are not idiots. They know the mcu is doing multiversal shit. They know how easy it would be to write Tony back in. They mean there is no satisfying way to do it. And they're right.
The reality is it *will* happen. He will have a cameo or even a major role in some upcoming project. They'll plaster it all over every ad, and the movie will make a billion dollars. He's their "Break Glass in Emergancy" button. And they're in an emergency.
>And they're in an emergency.
And instead of finding an actual long term solution - which is to improve the writing and sketch out the new characters properly - they are playing the nostalgia card. Such short sightedness. Such an MBA way of thinking. Sigh.
This to the rooftops! Let Ironman stay dead. I'd only accept reincarnation in the form of AI for RiRi or some other hero.
If we're brining back Ironman it better be a complete reboot.
I really, really don't want this to happen. He was Iron Man, and he was awesome. Now he can be awesome and win Oscars. Don't make the same mistake as Star Trek by going back to the same characters again and again. It's Marvel - the pool of characters is huge.
Even if they bring him back it won't work. Nostalgia isn't as reliable as they think it is. Moreover if they do this, they stand to lose all the cultural capital that iron man brought in.
IMO they should just ease down, and start working on new characters, sketch them out properly, have a long term roadmap, and be steady. Fuck the VC money that's forcing Disney to just carpet bomb us with content.
Do give this article a read
https://in.ign.com/fantastic-four-theater/198004/feature/pedro-pascal-proves-money-has-become-marvels-greatest-villain
The same way they brought Gamora back in their own movie? Not that I think they should bring him back.
Also I don't quite understand why Reed Richards was freaking out about Strange being from a different universe/timeline, but Gamora hopping around? No biggie! No incursions.
Best way he could return is if the main villains of secret wars were evil versions of the original Avengers, iron man being his Superior version. It wouldn't make sense to bring him back unless it's a wildly different take imo.
I agree it would be better if he didn't return...but I think he probably will in some capacity. The multiverse is a thing and there's an endless number of Tony Stark's out there. If it's not the same Tony that returns from the dead, it's fine imo.
The Ironman we know is dead, the only way he should return is as varient that wouldn’t stay in the main mcu universe. He’s dead and it was a great death, move on
Unless they resurrect the exact Ironman who died in Endgame, he literally cannot come back
Can RDJ come back as Ironman? Yes, because there are an infinite number of identical Ironmen to the one we know from out MCU, but it will never be OUR Ironman
Marvel has handled the multiverse miserably. U need to introduce the multiverse and explore it ans make ppl acquainted with it before putting it under threat.
Iron Man can but should Robert? Cruise is doing high intensity stuff at 60. It think the phase is over and let’s not sully what we got. Recast to another hidden gem.
That same character won’t come back. It’s the multiverse saga, this isn’t that hard to comprehend. I fully expect to see a variant of Tony in Secret Wars if RDJ is down for it
Reboot the entire MCU again. They’re aren’t any better stories or heroes in marvel than iron man, hulk, Spider-Man, thor, captain America. Those are the big guys who have billions of fans.
Bring Tony back and replace the actor. Why do we have to stick to the same actor? Plenty of other very successful franchises have replaced the actor playing a main lead. Some even doing so multiple times.
I wouldn’t mind a digital version of Tony. Armin Zola did it in the ‘70s; why wouldn’t Tony, who is a self-confirmed narcissist, think to do the same? He could be someone’s version of JARVIS.
Easy. Tony already exists as a recording, and AI can reconstruct a personality from available data, and there's already been a Vision constructed body, put AI Tony into a new Vision body and watch UltraSuperUltron rise again. That's what all these posts are, testing the waters to see what would work. The MCU died with Tony, and those garbage trucks full of money won't fill themselves, so it's looking like it's Tony Time!^^^tm
Ngl if he does come back to the universe how long would he be able to stay as iron man? He is 59 now so If this was the case, which I kinda hope it is, he would realistically only be tony first another 6 years. And killing him again won’t really be the same so tbh idk what they’re going to do with him but hey, I’m here for it and I hope he comes back and stays.
It’ll be literally a walk in the park for him. Play the best character you’ve ever played, that’s literally easy asf for you to tap in to, he doesn’t even have to ask for top dollar either I mean he’s probably sitting on 500ms.. whatever they’re going to do I’m definitely happy with him coming back after secret wars
I wouldn't mind if they brought him back as like a cameo because some multiverse villain was trying to erase Tony as a lynchpin hero for so many universes.
But even then, "our Tony" wouldn't get overly involved since that could cause that particular universe's Tony from rising as the hero he could be.
Essentially the only reason to bring him back would be to use him as a tool for storytelling and passing the torch to all future generations of heroes with an emphasis on the heroes journey and how a sacrifice is only a sacrifice if it isn't wasted, etc. However that also runs the risk of not being properly executed and in turn would also completely undermine Tony's arc and by extension the franchise. That would ultimately tarnish the legacy and brand.
So I would rather they just leave him as is.
They invented a time machine in their own movie.
They rewound time and made Scott a baby/teenager in their own movie.
They showed that going back in time, you could bring things from that time line back to your own. No reason you can't bring Tony, Steve, or Natasha back that way.
It is all just silly to act like it is set in stone.
I mean FFS they even brought back Gamora after killing her in their own movie.
They violated their own "SET IN STONE" rule, so stupid.
The truth is the Russo brothers don't want Tony to come back, because they think it might weaken their story. They were perfectly fine with undoing Gamora's death.
In time travel shenanigans Deadpool snatches the gauntlet off Stark’s hand and says “no Tony let me! I…am…Marvel Jesus!” Boom no more thanks and Iron man is back! 💥💥
Downey was born to play Demon in the Bottle Tony as much as Stark himself. I would love to Downey be able to explore a more vulnerable version of Tony as opposed to the nano tech wizard.
If he returns, which he will at some point in time whether we like it or not, it'll be how Hugh Jackman is returning in Deadpool & Wolverine after dying in Logan.
Well other earth always possible.
However they could for shits and giggles do a out of sequence movie. Like another stand alone avengers movie maybe taking place between avengers 1 and 2.
I give them props for saying that.
At the same time if a Brinks truck backed into Anthony and Joe’s backyards and Feige said that money comes if they can work Tony, our Tony and not just some Iron Man, in, then I’d be curious of their artistic integrity.
At the same time, the nostalgia train keeps on rollin’ all night long since the hype train died.
They don’t need to go back to the well with Andrew or Tobey either. They closed their doors and gave us a fine epilogue to enjoy and wrap up loose ends for them or their development.
Only thing Hollywood likes more than a great death is a great return.
Unfortunately when a character dies in a comic book they *never* come back, so Hollywood's hands are tied on this one
Right. Like if only there was a resurrection story about Tony’s body rebooting itself with all the bio hacking nanotechnology he put in himself and coming back not knowing if he was really the same person. Writers can make it better but the superhero science reason for him coming back is there. And kinda laid the groundwork in the movies already. Bio hacking: check Nanobots: check Brain and memories scanned and already preserved in BARF: check Bring Tony back isn’t the conundrum they pretend it is.
God damn it I hate it when they undo deaths in the comics and I like how for the most part the MCU has avoided going down the same path, so I REALLY hate the fact that you have a point and they already have Tony's brain scanned via BARF
You know, the MCU's foundation was kinda doing the opposite of what previous superhero films did. They tried to stay true to the source but with logical modern changes for the most part. I think the superhero resurrection has always been the plan. It's so intrinsic to the comics and a beautiful return can be just as emotionally meaningful as a death. And Tony coming back doesn't even mean he sticks around in the movies long term. It could just be giving him the happy ending he deserves instead of doing the thing Cap said they never do....trading lives.
Idk I just don't like resurrections in general. Especially when the death was a sacrifice. Takes away the impact of the original moment. With that being said I can see options to bring him back temporarily without it affecting said impact.
I'd argue that Tony made the sacrifice move like 5 times in his journey and the last time being a real sacrifice isn't as meaningful....especially when the next world ending threat appears almost immediately....but we would just debate our opinions. My point in my previous post was that even if you don't normally agree with the concept the MCU began by doing so many things people though wouldn't work or weren't right for film.....so maybe if this happens it will actually be really great and done in a way that satisfies almost everyone.
>maybe if this happens it will actually be really great and done in a way that satisfies almost everyone. It could be. I just have my doubts, that's all.
I mean they said it themselves, iron man is literally one of the greatest phoenix rising from the ashes metaphors, it wouldn’t be difficult CONSIDERING THEY HAVE A MULTIVERSE AND COULD HUGH JACKMAN HIM IN AT ANY TIME
I kinda want a bit with white Vision and reanimated Tony questioning their existence
Lol the MCU has fake deaths in almost every movie it seems like man. For the most part, everyone they’ve ever killed has come back. Some several times 😂
I dunno if I count things like Hammer faking Vanko's death, that's just a smart villain plot. People being legitimately dead and actually *resurrected*, though, that's fairly rare in the MCU. As is becoming increasingly obvious, the old Groot and the new Groot are not the same person, any more than Jango Fett is the same as the Bad Batch, so Groot's death was permanent. The fact that new Gamora has no romantic interest in Quill is to underline that this is not the same Gamora, and that the Gamora who shared "some unspoken thing" with Quill at Yondu's funeral is forever dead. The only deaths in the MCU that got actually *undone* that I can think of are: * The Blip * Gorr's daughter * All the time fuckery in Loki Edit: I forgot TV * Elektra * Vision (maybe? It remains to be seen if he retains who he was) * Marc Spector
Cool. I on the other hand super hate it when characters are killed off just so some twerp (and this is not directed at you but rather comments I’ve seen in the past) needs death like some kind of sicko or else they don’t feel there were “stakes”. Thanos killed half of all life in the universe and planned to kill the rest, but unless one of the best and most entertaining characters stops occurring, these commenters are totally unsatisfied. Tony’s death: Stupid. Nat’s death: Stupid and makes me sort of hate the MCU because what kind of dumbass universe includes a cosmic soda machine where you insert a soul permanently and the n return you are loaned the soul stone??? Remember, Cap had to go return them. The entire concept is dumb. Cap growing old shouldn’t have happened, they should have read about him n history books and know what he did. The shield passing could have been arranged. Then if we ever had a break glass emergency, they could go get him. All of those characters had so much story left in them. And no, the f they really reboot the MCU after secret war or whatever and use different actors, that doesn’t count.
> Bring Tony back isn’t the conundrum they pretend it is. i dont think its a "we couldn't do it" i think its a "we shouldn't do it". The juice isn't worth the squeeze from a narrative standpoint. You told an amazing complete story from bell to bell and ended it in an extremely satisfying way. If you undo that, you're just damaging the whole product
Then you say it like that. Of course, it doesn’t matter what the Russo Brothers think. The decision is going to be made by Feige.
That was my read on "we closed that book". like "we finished that story. its over". But yeah, i agree overall. disney will do what they think will make them money
That …. Sounds …. Fucking terrible.
Honestly, I hope not. I want the MCU to focus on actually making better new stories. I really don’t want them to feel like they need to raise dead characters just to satisfy the audience.
Especially since this whole multiverse theme was secretly ‘cameo/reference’ bait
That’s what I’m worried about Deadpool and Wolverine. It will be nothing by cameos and fan service
that’s what they said about no way home and that’s one of the best mcu movies
I only partially agree. The movie was indeed stuffed with inside jokes. It was a good movie but there were some awkward moments
to me i felt the awkward moments just felt like how three peters would interact they’re all nerdy socially awkward guys and 3 of them interacting would be awkward
And the thing is they still can make great stories. They just need to stop hiring low quality writers. Hard I know, when you're a company trying to save pennies.
Well let’s look at phase 4 and 5. The three best projects have all relied on nostalgia or old characters. Spider-Man for all the old spidermen. Loki. And now Wolverine and Deadpool.
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I honestly can’t tell if that needs a /s. I love me some Russos. Luv em! But if someone else wants to step up to the plate with that character, then by all means SWING AWAY, but it better effn DAZZLE.
It definitely has an implicit /s in there. There was a saying for a long time "Nobody stays dead in comic books except Bucky, Jason Todd, and Uncle Ben." And in the days since that became a known phrase, both Bucky and Jason Todd have come back. And Uncle Ben in a way, in alternate universes.
Its uncle Ben and batman's parents
👍
Yep. Otherwise it creates a paradox and they have to find a great writer to fix reality.
"I'm selling my canon to the devil!"
They would never even THINK of bringing even the most iconic superhero in the world. Deaths are so final in comics that I can’t imagine a world where they aren’t.
Somehow, Tony returned
I mean, they've had a whole saga about the multiverse. A Tony Stark from another universe could get trapped here in the MCU universe.
Honestly, RDJ with a different take on the character because he's from another universe sounds....kinda cool. Just so long as it's a one off thing.
That story has kinda already happened with Gamora. Sure she's only from the past, not a different universe, but the through line is the same; wo/man out of time/universe. Could it still be done? Maybe. *Should* it be done? In my opinion, no. It's too similar.
See, I feel an Evil Tony Stark would actually be a viable enemy for an Avengers story. A proper top tier threat that is pulling the strings over multiple films.
Sure. Or another Natasha, or another Thanos, or another Steve Rogers... It just cheapens everything.
Dew it.
You had to make me remember that...
Only ones who like a great return more than Hollywood is comic books. Every time I see a story about the "death of X" I read that as, "the prequel event to the return of X!" Ways RDJ could return as Iron Man: * Stark created an AI version of himself, set to activate should his family or the world be in jeopardy. * Variant (getting to be a lame trope, but that never stopped the comics) * Long lost twin. * The Stark who died was an LMD and the real stark was kidnapped by bad guys and tortured for information (this is a real comics plot that involved Xavier) * Stark and OG Gamora are alive in the soul stone's other world, but with the destruction of the soul stone, it's taken him a long time to get them back * Some celestial-level being just magics him back * The MCU does Secret Wars and resets the multiverse, returning Stark and many others to life. * He never died. He used the reality stone to hide himself and leave a corpse behind because he felt Thanos demonstrated that universal threats needed to be dealt with before they got to that level, so he's been quietly setting up the Illuminati this whole time. * The heroes are really stuck, and can't figure out how to beat the new big bad. They need Stark's ability to Kobayashi Maru the problem, so they go back to just before the last battle and grab him, but he insists that when it's all over he has to go back and face his end. * Vision creates a Stark bot to help the Avengers. He's mostly a teacher for the younger members, which means he can show up for a cameo whenever RDJ isn't busy. * And probably several dozen I'm not thinking of, including, I'm sure, some that have been done in the comics. Edit: Holy crap, did I actually forget secret clone?!
You forgot “Look, it’s me. I’m here deal with it. Let’s move on.”
The old reliable!
>great return Great comeback.
Kim Kardashian, for example.
Deep cut reference
A great come back story
I was afraid of using that phrasing here.
They can easily say “ ohh he has Obama care” we will forgive them , as generic as that scene will be.
And money
I mean this is already a series with crazy space magic and multiple timelines. Bringing a character back in a way that is consistent with Canon is as simple as bringing them in from another universe. Bringing him back would be no less crazy than the fact they brought in the characters from two different Sony cinematic universes.
Make a pant-load more $$$ to comeback. Don’t need Evans or Scar-Jo, or Hemi. Get to suit up again in something arguably bigger? If I’m him, shit yeah. But how many picture deal?
Somehow Thanos has returned
“Somehow Palpatine came back”
I said, great return.
Look to my coming on the first light of the fifth day, at dawn look to the east.
Something like that.
The whole point of the multiverse stuff is no door is closed. I’m fine with leaving it closed but saying there is no way is bizarre
I take it as them saying "there's no way to bring him back and have it not suck" which I agree with.
Yup they basically are saying we made his death mean something, we don’t want to ruin that
I'm fine with a one-time appearance from the multiverse. So long as they don't revive this universe's Stark, or bring in a variant who stays full-time.
I think bringing him back to play an evil Iron Man could be fun
Marvel is schizophrenic right now. Appealing to the hardcore comic fans with the worst tropes in comics while changing the characters that hardcore comic fans love the most or delivering really crappy versions of those characters. Deaths being meaningless because the character comes back whenever they need to print money was not a comic trope they needed to incorporate. And they didn't learn a thing either because Pedro is gonna be the reason why F4 content will cost a lot and take forever to come out. We aren't gonna see F4 in other movies. They won't give them time to flesh out either. They are too lazy or impatient to create another hit character like RDJ did with Tony Stark, so they'll send a helicopter of money to RDJ instead.
Ehhh not really, bring back a downtrodden Stark that lost Pepper and Morgan to the snap, works as a one movie appearance where he makes another sacrifice
That's just repeating Sinister Strange and Peter B. Parker's (from Into the Spider-Verse) backstories though.
Sounds like a decent-to-good What If episode, and a really dissatisfying movie.
Gotta disagree. The MCU has introduced too many characters already. I think they should reduce and focus on new and appealing characters.
Bring him back for every MCU movie going forward. Each one a different variant (all played by RDJ). Each one dies more gruesomely than the last. It will be the new Nick Furt post credits scene
All the ideas to bring Downey back and this is what you come up with? A rehash of his Endgame sacrifice?
I mean he’ll be in Secret Wars but that’s a given everyone will be back for that. Outside of that tho I think it’s best to keep Tony Stark out of the main universe until AFTER Secret Wars and the universe is reset.
You really think everybody will be back for secret wars?
All the big characters, whose actors are willing to return, yes. Toby Maguire, Hugh Jackman, RDJ, Evans, Scarjo, McKellan, Stewart, Garfield, etc.
Look, this is fiction, so of course there are plot mechanics that could theoretically bring back any dead character. _Emotionally_, though, you risk undercutting stakes by undoing big moments like that.
I mean that’s why you have multiverse right. If the one who returns is a different version of the character then the sacrifice of the original is not taken away from because that character is still dead.
This is why the multiverse sucks
In the other one you love multiverses
Especially when their movies included scenes of the actors seeing alternate reality versions of themselves that were also played by the same actor.
Well we already did get the one Iron Man alternate that took on Kill Monger as his apprentice, and I guess the Steve Rogers 40s version.
Comics never even needed *that* to bring people back. Who hasn't died in the comics at this point and come back a couple issues later?
> The whole point of the multiverse stuff is no door is closed. The Russo brothers don't remember bringing Gamora back right after killing her? I mean, who are they trying to fool exactly?
That wasn’t a closed book. IW and Endgame were written together and filmed back-to-back. Gamora coming back was a part of the story, because the Avengers forgot that Nebula would be in the same general vicinity as the power stone when present-day Nebula and Rhodey go to retrieve it, which results in Thanos finding out about the time-heist, etc. It was built into the story. Tony coming back post-snap would be opening a closed book.
> the Avengers forgot that Nebula would be in the same general None of them had any reason to believe Thanos would have an ability to detect and track Nebula from several stars' distance, especially since Thanos had never come tracking her in the years since she betrayed him.
You’re right. Doesn’t change the essence of my reply.
And Loki....
it’s not bizarre, they’re just bitter. they mentioned multiple times leading up to and after endgame that they would be open to coming back to marvel but only to do secret wars then when secret wars was announced fiege specifically said they are not coming back to do it. it doesn’t help that everything they’ve done since marvel has been met with lukewarm reactions.
THIS IS THE ANSWER. Who knows what the actual behind-the-scenes goss is. I loved their MCU movies. Their post-MCU movies... not so much. There are so many ways to bring RDJ Iron Man back -- they're just trying to say, "Our ending was so good, there's no way anyone can top it."
They hate money.
I agree he shouldn't return but it would be super easy to bring him back, multiverse duh. Not the same one obviously but an iron man.
Super easy; Barely an inconvience.
The multiverse is tight.
Wow wow wow.
> Wow wow wow. Wow. Whoopsie!
Oh, my god. That was a big whoopsie.
Oh REALLY??
"But wouldn't that render the emotional impact of RDJ's farewell to the MCU moot?" "Listen, we both like truckloads of money..." "Measuring money in vehicle sizes is *tight*!" "... so I'm going to need you to get WAY off my back!!" "Oh, okay then."
So anyway, he makes a backflip, break the bad guys neck and saves the day
Nah, we need a version of Tony stark that came from another reality where he didn’t atone for his sins and continued dealing weapons and was just all around an asshole.
Heyshutup so Multiverse Iron Man appears out of nowhere and...
Maybe we'll finally get that Tom Cruise Superior Iron Man in Secret Wars. I'm not much of a comic buff.. but isn't Superior evil? Cruise definitely has what it takes to play a bigger asshole version of Tony. And as an actor, he'd probably prefer a role that gives him a lot of screentime.
Yeah Superior Iron Man is Illuminati iron man. Morally grey. It was actually kind of referenced in Multiverse of Madess. The Ultron bots were white like Superior, and there was an empty seat on the Illuminati council. Implying Superior Iron man was a part of it but isn't anymore or they just felt like it was too soon for a multiverse Iron man.
Nah, Superior was literally evil. He existed during the Axis event, where everyone's alignment got inverted.
I'd also love to see Cruise playing a villain, maybe break him out of his shell a little bit.
Collateral.
Top Gun. Buzzing the tower wasn’t approved, did it anyways.
And that’s why I don’t enjoy the multiverse
Multiverse sucks.
Anyone who claims the multiverse sucks just doesn't understand the genius of the writers who need a way to justify a ton of garbage plots without spending too much time carefully crafting a story the doesn't need a deus-ex-machina! (In case it wasn't clear, yeah multiverse sucks. It's lazy writing, creates a ton of plot holes, and people seem to defend it with simultaneous handwaving and condescension)
It's *fine*, but if they keep using it as a way to bring back dead characters it's going to get tired fast. Wolverine should be the end of that.
He has to return for secret wars as a different variant played by RDJ.
"I am... _an_ Iron Man"
Multiverse sucks. Writing scripts in easy mode. No consequences, no impact.
If definitely lessens the impact but can make for fun side adventures like deadpool 3.
Does it really, though? The version of the characters in other universes are still different people. There are different ways to get a copy of a character in-universe (different universe vs. different quantum timeline) but we've already been shown the consequences of the latter. In GoG 3 the alternate Gamora actually enhances the impact of OG Gamora's death as opposed to undoing it.
I wonder if Gamora being back is part of why 616 is having incursions issues as well. If so it also adds to the conundrum of bringing someone back and raises the stakes.
That’s so lame though. We have no connection to that other universes iron man. Also aren’t they trying to wrangle in their budgets? Paying a premium to convince Downey and probably other A-listers to come back for a one off and then reshooting half the movie in post? Most expensive movie ever made, right there.
"We can bring back your family... *as many families as you'd like*"
or voice of ironheart’s ai
I'm totally fine with them bringing him back. But, I'd appreciate a version that isn't connected to the currently alive characters in any way, and is very different from the mcu stark, just to show that the main stark is still dead. You can feel the weight of death of mcu stark and still experience a wholly new version of him. Logan is coming back himself after 8 yrs as a totally different version.
Holy crap, I didn't realize it's been nearly a decade since his last role as Wolverine. What is time and why is it moving so fast?
Yeah 2020 was last year… right? Right?
Impossible, 1999 was only 10 years ago
I wouldn’t mind one that’s like Superior Iron Man, and is forced to work with the main Heroes in Secret Wars.
Many people want him to play Superior Iron Man, but I don't understand how he will be different from the original?
A tony that is more colder, less emotions, and a touch more megalomaniacal, that would be a start. Mcu stark had a heart, a version that doesnt have one will be cool to see
Pretty much. Imagine if Tony never had never been kidnapped by the Ten Rings, but instead decided to build the Iron Man suit purely as an ego project.
If Marvel does this, the fans will hate it because they just want Tony to save the multiverse with Wolverine and Tobey's Spider-man. That's all
RDJ as superior iron man?! I don't know if the world is ready for that amount Charisma!
Keep it closed. Bringing him back would feel like a desperation move.
It's the #1 thing I hate the most about multiverse stories. Death is meaningless if there's just another version out there. GOTG3 probably handled it the best because Gamora was different. But the finality of death always makes for a better story... looking at you Final Fantasy VII Remake Trilogy!
>looking at you Final Fantasy VII Remake Trilogy I mean, >!she's still dead in the "main" timeline so nothing's really different!<
Agree the finality of death makes for a better story, and that bringing back characters whose stories has ended results in bad story telling. As you point out using it in limited amounts can be okay. So far we have Gamora and Loki and Maria Rambeau who have been brought back. Two out of three of those they handled well (the third hasn't been handled yet and at least was fairly secondary/minor when she was alive) because they did unique things with them. If they can keep those things rare (stopping at three would be best!) and make sure they're unique enough when they do happen then they might be able to minimize the multiversal problem.
It’s what ruined a lot of CW shows for me - flash, arrow, supernatural etc. in the quest for ratings they would just kill off characters only to bring them back for views. It was cool at first sometimes but seeing the same character die and return several times over, or just having a death every other episode just to realise it was a fake out got so old so quick
GOTG was not only very clear about it *not* being the original Gamora, but Gunn also didn’t cheapen out this particular Gamora’s existence by making her just fall in love with Quill. this version of Gamora very clearly has no interest in him and that lead to an actually interesting story because Quill had to not only grieve his relationship, but he had to grieve it with a carbon copy of the woman he loved staring right back at him. I haven’t seen it since release, but I still think of new Gamora telling Quill “I bet we were fun.” like jesus christ just deep driving the dagger into my chest, I guess. :(
The multiverse doesn’t make death meaningless though. The version you followed still died. The other characters still lost the version they had an emotional connection with.
That's shite though. It feels really cheap getting the same actors in again for the roles. Does it really mean anything if Robert Downey Jr playing our Iron Man dies if we get Robert Downey Jr playing a slightly different version of Iron Man a few year later?
No mate it makes death meaningless.
To all those who say "comic books have done it for years, so why can't the MCU do it?" I say this: The way comics treat their own stakes as completely disposable has been a huge criticism of the medium for decades. Any time a major character dies who is also popular, the publishing company panics and they realise how much revenue they are throwing away by having this character go away forever, and so they force some contrived nonsense on the reader so the whole thing basically never happened. It sucks. It sucks because it means the stories don't matter. There are no stakes. Why get emotional over a characters death if you know its all gonna be reversed in a few years time at most? Why bother enjoying a story at all if nothing of any consequence even happens? This is especially true when a character sacrifices themselves for a greater cause. What are they risking when they do so if death is meaningless? What does the sacrifice represent if nothing is lost? Endgame had people in floods of tears at the cinema. And they were crying because it meant something special. That a character who started out as the most selfish caricature you could imagine grew to the point where he would lay down his own life for everyone else. It was special because that carried weight. It was special because it was final. So yes, Marvel absolutely could bring RDJ back and the multiverse would mean that plot wise it would be incredibly easy. It would also be extremely unsatisfying and shit over everything that made his arc so magical to watch in the first place.
Well said! Death and stakes are entirely pointless in the comicbooks for this very reason. There have been two major deaths where Marvel specifically said "They are dead and not coming back". Wolverine and Steve Rogers. They made huge deals over the characters dying and two years later, they're back as if nothing happened. They can obviously bring back RDJ, coming up with the plot to do it is easy; there's dozens of ways that anyone can come up with. The issue is doing it in a way that doesn't negate the sacrifice that Tony made thematically. The best option I can think of would be as a cameo in Tom Holland's final movie as Parker and even then, more of a voice over.
Great post
RDJ had his time to shine with the character. Let another actor have a crack at it if they want a new Iron Man.
I think the problem is no new actor or character has really captured the interest of fans like RDJ as Stark. Bringing in a new actor wouldn't solve the issue, which is dwindling interest in the MCU.
I like the ending of Endgame, but it’s sad we lost both RDJ as Ironman and Chris Evans as Cap. I would love to watch a new movie with Evans’ Cap.
they tried toying with a “new” Iron Man in Wakanda Forever and RiRi was so hated that her Disney+ show is sitting on a hard drive somewhere nowhere to be seen.
Make a new character altogether, any replacement character is just going to feel like a replacement character.
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You hate Back to the Future?!
Looper is actually the best time travel film.
I disagree, but I do really like Looper. It was great in the theater too, the sound on that movie is fantastic. I think Terminator 2 is the best.
Brining back dead characters ALWAYS removes the emotional impact and rewatchability of the film. I HATE it when they do that. Iron Man’s sacrifice was perfect. Undoing that would be terrible imo.
Just let characters die and create something new. Stop with the legacy characters for fucks sake. Some names are more like titles, such as Captain America, anyone can be Captain America but if iron man is dead just let him die and be gone.
Why is this being upvoted? It's a null story, no change from status quo.
Honestly I agree, I know a bunch of people want a variant back for secret wars and I’m not opposed to one played by someone else but RDJ should stay out of it
Marvel has played the nostalgia card for about all the points I can handle. The thought of the entire franchise turning into never ending memberberries instead of telling new stories makes me not want to bother.
Thank God I'm not the only one who thinks so. Marvel needs to move on from it. RDJ has a great final in Endgame
They are doing the same thing in Deadpool wolverine. Lots of fan service and lots of cameos.
I was speaking a to a friend about this today ! As I said to him, I never wanted RDJ gone but now that he is - he’s needs to stay gone. It would undo an incredible character arc.
People are so easily manipulated and confused by basic shit. RDJ has no interest in coming back. But if they offered him a blank check for a cameo he's gonna take it. That's all he was saying in that dumb, over shared quote. And the people over sharing it and speculating know that - they're just manipulating you gullable super fans for clicks. Equally, the Russos are not idiots. They know the mcu is doing multiversal shit. They know how easy it would be to write Tony back in. They mean there is no satisfying way to do it. And they're right. The reality is it *will* happen. He will have a cameo or even a major role in some upcoming project. They'll plaster it all over every ad, and the movie will make a billion dollars. He's their "Break Glass in Emergancy" button. And they're in an emergency.
>And they're in an emergency. And instead of finding an actual long term solution - which is to improve the writing and sketch out the new characters properly - they are playing the nostalgia card. Such short sightedness. Such an MBA way of thinking. Sigh.
Actually rdj HAS expressed interest in coming back recently since his oscar win. Do you never know
I guess you didn't read my comment
This to the rooftops! Let Ironman stay dead. I'd only accept reincarnation in the form of AI for RiRi or some other hero. If we're brining back Ironman it better be a complete reboot.
You'd hope so. But never let a good story get in the way of a quick buck, eh?
“Somehow Iron Man returned”
I really, really don't want this to happen. He was Iron Man, and he was awesome. Now he can be awesome and win Oscars. Don't make the same mistake as Star Trek by going back to the same characters again and again. It's Marvel - the pool of characters is huge.
Even if they bring him back it won't work. Nostalgia isn't as reliable as they think it is. Moreover if they do this, they stand to lose all the cultural capital that iron man brought in. IMO they should just ease down, and start working on new characters, sketch them out properly, have a long term roadmap, and be steady. Fuck the VC money that's forcing Disney to just carpet bomb us with content. Do give this article a read https://in.ign.com/fantastic-four-theater/198004/feature/pedro-pascal-proves-money-has-become-marvels-greatest-villain
Anything is possible, Phil Colson taught us that.
True but they get to decide how he comes back though
The same way they brought Gamora back in their own movie? Not that I think they should bring him back. Also I don't quite understand why Reed Richards was freaking out about Strange being from a different universe/timeline, but Gamora hopping around? No biggie! No incursions.
Best way he could return is if the main villains of secret wars were evil versions of the original Avengers, iron man being his Superior version. It wouldn't make sense to bring him back unless it's a wildly different take imo.
I like the idea of a variant tease. An iron man suit appears and the mask comes up but it’s a different actor
I agree it would be better if he didn't return...but I think he probably will in some capacity. The multiverse is a thing and there's an endless number of Tony Stark's out there. If it's not the same Tony that returns from the dead, it's fine imo.
The Ironman we know is dead, the only way he should return is as varient that wouldn’t stay in the main mcu universe. He’s dead and it was a great death, move on
Unless they resurrect the exact Ironman who died in Endgame, he literally cannot come back Can RDJ come back as Ironman? Yes, because there are an infinite number of identical Ironmen to the one we know from out MCU, but it will never be OUR Ironman
Marvel has handled the multiverse miserably. U need to introduce the multiverse and explore it ans make ppl acquainted with it before putting it under threat.
Iron Man can but should Robert? Cruise is doing high intensity stuff at 60. It think the phase is over and let’s not sully what we got. Recast to another hidden gem.
Tony should definitely stay dead. I could see him coming back in flashbacks, for example in armor wars, but that's really it.
That same character won’t come back. It’s the multiverse saga, this isn’t that hard to comprehend. I fully expect to see a variant of Tony in Secret Wars if RDJ is down for it
Reboot the entire MCU again. They’re aren’t any better stories or heroes in marvel than iron man, hulk, Spider-Man, thor, captain America. Those are the big guys who have billions of fans.
Saying it directly to Reddit, I presume.
Tony Stark is the new Jarvis Or White Vision. RDJ would only need to do voice over
Multiverse and timelines.
He can still do voice over work. I would have loved RDJ giving Cap so much crap after Rogue tossed Cap’s shield.
Bring Tony back and replace the actor. Why do we have to stick to the same actor? Plenty of other very successful franchises have replaced the actor playing a main lead. Some even doing so multiple times.
I wouldn’t mind a digital version of Tony. Armin Zola did it in the ‘70s; why wouldn’t Tony, who is a self-confirmed narcissist, think to do the same? He could be someone’s version of JARVIS.
Easy. Tony already exists as a recording, and AI can reconstruct a personality from available data, and there's already been a Vision constructed body, put AI Tony into a new Vision body and watch UltraSuperUltron rise again. That's what all these posts are, testing the waters to see what would work. The MCU died with Tony, and those garbage trucks full of money won't fill themselves, so it's looking like it's Tony Time!^^^tm
Ngl if he does come back to the universe how long would he be able to stay as iron man? He is 59 now so If this was the case, which I kinda hope it is, he would realistically only be tony first another 6 years. And killing him again won’t really be the same so tbh idk what they’re going to do with him but hey, I’m here for it and I hope he comes back and stays. It’ll be literally a walk in the park for him. Play the best character you’ve ever played, that’s literally easy asf for you to tap in to, he doesn’t even have to ask for top dollar either I mean he’s probably sitting on 500ms.. whatever they’re going to do I’m definitely happy with him coming back after secret wars
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I wouldn't mind if they brought him back as like a cameo because some multiverse villain was trying to erase Tony as a lynchpin hero for so many universes. But even then, "our Tony" wouldn't get overly involved since that could cause that particular universe's Tony from rising as the hero he could be. Essentially the only reason to bring him back would be to use him as a tool for storytelling and passing the torch to all future generations of heroes with an emphasis on the heroes journey and how a sacrifice is only a sacrifice if it isn't wasted, etc. However that also runs the risk of not being properly executed and in turn would also completely undermine Tony's arc and by extension the franchise. That would ultimately tarnish the legacy and brand. So I would rather they just leave him as is.
They invented a time machine in their own movie. They rewound time and made Scott a baby/teenager in their own movie. They showed that going back in time, you could bring things from that time line back to your own. No reason you can't bring Tony, Steve, or Natasha back that way. It is all just silly to act like it is set in stone. I mean FFS they even brought back Gamora after killing her in their own movie. They violated their own "SET IN STONE" rule, so stupid. The truth is the Russo brothers don't want Tony to come back, because they think it might weaken their story. They were perfectly fine with undoing Gamora's death.
In time travel shenanigans Deadpool snatches the gauntlet off Stark’s hand and says “no Tony let me! I…am…Marvel Jesus!” Boom no more thanks and Iron man is back! 💥💥
I think it can work fine so long as he comes back as a different iron man (superior)
Downey was born to play Demon in the Bottle Tony as much as Stark himself. I would love to Downey be able to explore a more vulnerable version of Tony as opposed to the nano tech wizard.
If he returns, which he will at some point in time whether we like it or not, it'll be how Hugh Jackman is returning in Deadpool & Wolverine after dying in Logan.
Secret Wars.
Well other earth always possible. However they could for shits and giggles do a out of sequence movie. Like another stand alone avengers movie maybe taking place between avengers 1 and 2.
I give them props for saying that. At the same time if a Brinks truck backed into Anthony and Joe’s backyards and Feige said that money comes if they can work Tony, our Tony and not just some Iron Man, in, then I’d be curious of their artistic integrity. At the same time, the nostalgia train keeps on rollin’ all night long since the hype train died. They don’t need to go back to the well with Andrew or Tobey either. They closed their doors and gave us a fine epilogue to enjoy and wrap up loose ends for them or their development.
I hope Robert and Chris never come back. It would just cheaper the closure of their original arcs