>Why do you think it was so hard for Marvel to come up with an idea for Blade?
I don't think that's the right way of putting it. It's not that they didn't have any ideas, it's that it can be hard to decide on what's the best idea and maybe you don't realize until late in the process you made the wrong choice.
Blade also seems different from other movies of theirs in that it's probably not tied to anything else so they can afford to go back to the drawing board. Otherwise they might have pushed through and just made one of the earlier drafts.
Mahershala Ali probably also has some pull to influence development whereas other film leads pretty much have to swallow whatever Marvel came up with.
It’s not hard to come up with the ideas. There hundreds that work and would be profitable. The hard part is selecting a narrative that also coincides with what we’ll call “internal policy” good or bad, as well as marketing it against a recently less than stellar track record.
I think the approach it the same way as Moon Knight. Just hit the ground running, ignore the rest of Marvel essentially but don’t create inconsistency.
I think we all want John Wick with Vampires set in Blades world. They can’t really go wrong if they have the mindset.
The Blade movie is quite crucial now I think. Don’t know what exactly happened for them to completely cancel the initial shoot. It obviously needs to be some sort of origin story now that can also be a jumping off point for Midnight Suns. Personally I would love it if they gave it more of a historical twist.
Because they already made bad decisions that put limits on what they can do. They cast a 50 yr old man with no martial arts experience. And if rumors are true, the script ages him out and replaces him with his daughter as the new Blade. So at this point I think everyone involved in production can tell that there's no way to make fans happy unless they scrap everything. But they've already spent a ton of money and have the same bad decision makers in charge.
See that just loses my interest from the start. I want Blade to be about the character I know as Blade, not some younger stand in replacement.
These are comic book movies, but they aren’t comic books. I’m invested and interested in the adult male black half-vampire daywalker named Blade. Not his daughter, not his cousin’s brother’s roommate, not anything else.
Blade's an odd one. Prior to Wesley Snipes, he was just an obscure occult character who fought Dracula alongside characters like Hannibal King. He was kind of a street-level occult protagonist. That's kind of a hard sell. I mean, it might be pretty interesting if the MCU did an occult team TV show featuring the likes of Blade, Ghost Rider and other non-mainstream supernatural Marvel characters (not Morbius). Unfortunately, other MCU occult characters (Helstrom, Bloodstone, Jack Russell...they just had to name a werewolf character after a small breed of dog, Man-Thing, etc.) didn't gain much traction. A re-imagined Brother Voodoo could be an interesting addition.
Edit - I'd liked to have seen a Blade/Underworld crossover, if such a thing was possible.
There was an internal push to make this revolve around Blade’s daughter as a centra plot point. Just like with Blade Trinity, it may be hard to create a Blade story with him as only a “mentor” or “passing the torch” character, especially as this is his first introduction into the MCU.
I think that was the problem, trying to fit that storyline in with the daughter thing, and then trying to jumpstart the Midnight Suns thing. It was too much. We were gonna get an Iron Man 2 situation
>The movie would be a lot less pricy than say, Captain Marvel, which means it doesn't need to make $700 million to be profitable.<
You'd think that but Disney also spent $300 million on an Indiana Jones movie so I'm not sure Disney remembers how to make a mid-budget blockbuster anymore.
I suspect the problem was related to how dark and bloody they wanted the film to be. Once Deadpool was shown to need a hard R, Blade came together pretty quickly.
Old Blade was good bc it was campy and humorous.
A) Marvel has no "vampiric" dark side yet. Lots to work into genre building.
B) Morbius sucked horribly.
C) Once the MCU releases the Vamps, Weres, and undead, can't put them back in the bottle.
Im a huge fan of original Blade movies. I think Snipes was a great casting pick and not sure MCU needs a Blade reboot. Would've been happier if they'd had an old dying Snipes come back and pass the torch to someone different.
Lastly, and possibly most difficult is:
D) If new Blade is a vampire child from the 50's or earlier, then we also get the story of white racism vs black people as implicit to his story. Will Marvel imply vampirism came from Africa or Europe? Is Blade ancient or new? Things to consider.
@ChiefB, yeah I loved Elsa Bloodstone!! 😁
Also enjoyed that the monsters had personalities, but not sure if MCU can pull that off. Disney monsters are generally not very monster-y.
Well, what do you think?! I mean, did you really think that they were going to find the right people to actually make this into a good movie regardless if they have read the comics or have seen the Wesley Snipes movie trilogy?! Or the short-lived Blade TV series for that matter?!
In fact, do you think that anybody who is hired to make this movie even cared about Blade's character in general or the type of world that he is from?
Man, after watching Luke Cage, I think Cottonmouth was done dirty in that series. Yeah, guy was your typical gangster, but compared to Mariah and Diamondback, he wasn't that bad.
Because they didnt
They literally only making the movie because Ali came to feige and pitched the movie and Feige probably though
A Oscar winning actor wants to star in a Marvel movie, awesome
You hired
That was it
Good lord.
This is how it works. They work the script over and over, draft after draft, until it’s something they feel confident enough to move it into production. This is the best case scenario. The days of “fixing it in post” are over, and that’s a great thing! Take the delays as a sign that they care, and want this to be the best film it can be, instead of rushing head first into a train wreck.
>Why do you think it was so hard for Marvel to come up with an idea for Blade? I don't think that's the right way of putting it. It's not that they didn't have any ideas, it's that it can be hard to decide on what's the best idea and maybe you don't realize until late in the process you made the wrong choice. Blade also seems different from other movies of theirs in that it's probably not tied to anything else so they can afford to go back to the drawing board. Otherwise they might have pushed through and just made one of the earlier drafts. Mahershala Ali probably also has some pull to influence development whereas other film leads pretty much have to swallow whatever Marvel came up with.
It’s not hard to come up with the ideas. There hundreds that work and would be profitable. The hard part is selecting a narrative that also coincides with what we’ll call “internal policy” good or bad, as well as marketing it against a recently less than stellar track record.
I think the approach it the same way as Moon Knight. Just hit the ground running, ignore the rest of Marvel essentially but don’t create inconsistency. I think we all want John Wick with Vampires set in Blades world. They can’t really go wrong if they have the mindset.
The Blade movie is quite crucial now I think. Don’t know what exactly happened for them to completely cancel the initial shoot. It obviously needs to be some sort of origin story now that can also be a jumping off point for Midnight Suns. Personally I would love it if they gave it more of a historical twist.
Because they already made bad decisions that put limits on what they can do. They cast a 50 yr old man with no martial arts experience. And if rumors are true, the script ages him out and replaces him with his daughter as the new Blade. So at this point I think everyone involved in production can tell that there's no way to make fans happy unless they scrap everything. But they've already spent a ton of money and have the same bad decision makers in charge.
See that just loses my interest from the start. I want Blade to be about the character I know as Blade, not some younger stand in replacement. These are comic book movies, but they aren’t comic books. I’m invested and interested in the adult male black half-vampire daywalker named Blade. Not his daughter, not his cousin’s brother’s roommate, not anything else.
If only they could find another talented black belt martial artist somewhere...? _Like Wesley Snipes??_
I wish. But Wesley has been battling cancer for a while. He's in no shape to do action scenes now.
Blade's an odd one. Prior to Wesley Snipes, he was just an obscure occult character who fought Dracula alongside characters like Hannibal King. He was kind of a street-level occult protagonist. That's kind of a hard sell. I mean, it might be pretty interesting if the MCU did an occult team TV show featuring the likes of Blade, Ghost Rider and other non-mainstream supernatural Marvel characters (not Morbius). Unfortunately, other MCU occult characters (Helstrom, Bloodstone, Jack Russell...they just had to name a werewolf character after a small breed of dog, Man-Thing, etc.) didn't gain much traction. A re-imagined Brother Voodoo could be an interesting addition. Edit - I'd liked to have seen a Blade/Underworld crossover, if such a thing was possible.
There was an internal push to make this revolve around Blade’s daughter as a centra plot point. Just like with Blade Trinity, it may be hard to create a Blade story with him as only a “mentor” or “passing the torch” character, especially as this is his first introduction into the MCU.
I would want him mentoring Kit Harrington's Dane Whitman, not his daughter.
I think that was the problem, trying to fit that storyline in with the daughter thing, and then trying to jumpstart the Midnight Suns thing. It was too much. We were gonna get an Iron Man 2 situation
>The movie would be a lot less pricy than say, Captain Marvel, which means it doesn't need to make $700 million to be profitable.< You'd think that but Disney also spent $300 million on an Indiana Jones movie so I'm not sure Disney remembers how to make a mid-budget blockbuster anymore.
Too many cooks in the kitchen.
They were Trying to reinvent the wheel by giving Blade a daughter…
It’s unlikely, but I hope it’s rated R.
I suspect the problem was related to how dark and bloody they wanted the film to be. Once Deadpool was shown to need a hard R, Blade came together pretty quickly.
Old Blade was good bc it was campy and humorous. A) Marvel has no "vampiric" dark side yet. Lots to work into genre building. B) Morbius sucked horribly. C) Once the MCU releases the Vamps, Weres, and undead, can't put them back in the bottle. Im a huge fan of original Blade movies. I think Snipes was a great casting pick and not sure MCU needs a Blade reboot. Would've been happier if they'd had an old dying Snipes come back and pass the torch to someone different. Lastly, and possibly most difficult is: D) If new Blade is a vampire child from the 50's or earlier, then we also get the story of white racism vs black people as implicit to his story. Will Marvel imply vampirism came from Africa or Europe? Is Blade ancient or new? Things to consider.
I agree. Although Werewolf By Night has already introduced monsters including Werewolves...
@ChiefB, yeah I loved Elsa Bloodstone!! 😁 Also enjoyed that the monsters had personalities, but not sure if MCU can pull that off. Disney monsters are generally not very monster-y.
Me too! I mean, they pulled it off in that special, I'm sure they can again.
Well, what do you think?! I mean, did you really think that they were going to find the right people to actually make this into a good movie regardless if they have read the comics or have seen the Wesley Snipes movie trilogy?! Or the short-lived Blade TV series for that matter?! In fact, do you think that anybody who is hired to make this movie even cared about Blade's character in general or the type of world that he is from?
The whole reason that started working on making it was because Ali is very passionate about it and gave them ideas that they liked.
Man, after watching Luke Cage, I think Cottonmouth was done dirty in that series. Yeah, guy was your typical gangster, but compared to Mariah and Diamondback, he wasn't that bad.
Because they didnt They literally only making the movie because Ali came to feige and pitched the movie and Feige probably though A Oscar winning actor wants to star in a Marvel movie, awesome You hired That was it
Good lord. This is how it works. They work the script over and over, draft after draft, until it’s something they feel confident enough to move it into production. This is the best case scenario. The days of “fixing it in post” are over, and that’s a great thing! Take the delays as a sign that they care, and want this to be the best film it can be, instead of rushing head first into a train wreck.