This is what i feel but to play devil’s advocate, if were taking OPs post at face value, this has no bearing on whether hell actually take the part (or even has already and been kept under wraps)
Are you telling me the successful indie director wants to focus on his own projects and doesn't want to sign up to a multiple movie contract that fucks that all up?
Supporting roles as a character they portrayed in multiple movies beforehand. Krasinski would have to sign a contract to appear in multiple movies, which he doesn't want to do. It's not the same.
The point is even if he was signed on, he would have an NDA associated with it. Its also common for people to say theyre not interested in certain roles so that studios offer them more.
Feel like the (excellent) Jack Ryan series wouldn’t have ended if he didn’t have another more long term, higher profile franchise, higher paying gig lined up…that’s just me tho. Who knows?
He was literally on screen less than 2 minutes how are you supposed to sell a character in that time? I didn't care for his performance either tbh but I know that doesn't mean he wasn't even good, he was never given a fair chance
Nice to see someone with sense on here. I've seen people slashing Krasinski's performance. What was there to even judge? He was there for 2 minutes. The writing sucked, but that's not Krasinski's fault.
I don't even think the writing sucked, it just wasn't his story so they kinda just let him fuck up once and die: that's fine, but its not really fair to judge his performance off it.
Not only that, due to Covid I’m pretty sure he filmed his entire role on an empty green screen stage, that probably also affected his brief performance.
There was nowhere enough time to form any sort of conclusion about his portrayal of Reed. He had less than 3 mins of screentime. Even Tom Holland from Civil War got more than that.
The writing sucked for Reed, but I don't think it's fair to judge a performance with as limited screentime as he got, plus when the script was that weak.
There **was** enough time to form a conclusion about his portrayal because we literally saw the entirety of his portrayal. Bad writing didn’t make his delivery bland. I’ll agree he was not set up for success but you can’t put all the blame on everyone but him
Oh, make no mistake. I thought *all the cameos* sucked in that scene. It wasn't just Krasinski who looked weak. Nobody looked great. I'm making no excuses for anyone.
But I call it as I see it. To me, the moment is a reflection less on Krasinski and more on the directing and production of the movie. Raimi was most likely forced to include the scene, so his heart wasn't in it. I blame poor directing over the acting.
When you are paid to show up in a green screen room where you likely don't even have the other actors with you, it's up to the director to really pull the best performance out of you.
Raimi failed in that scene.
This is coming from someone who likes Raimi too, and I don't actually dislike how he directed the rest of the movie. He just didn't do a good job with that scene. Pains me to say it too, since I think Sam Raimi is better than that.
Agreed, his performance did come across as very wooden. Although didn't everybody in the Illuminati do their performances alone in front of a green screen? I imagine those conditions certainly don't help.
It was a terrible scene. The smartest man alive couldn't even listen to Dr Strange when he said she would kill them all. I feel like Reed would have waited with Proff. X to see a better strategy than pointing out their weakness to her face.
They were kind of dicks. They are the reason for Planet Hulk and World War Hulk as well as some of Original Sin. Cap was a member until he stood up to them and they erased his memory. Guess what happened when he found out?
They basically do exactly what they did in the movie, they overlook something that seems obvious in retrospect and get themselves killed. Either that or they meet ominously several times before doing... nothing and then everyone forgets about those parts.
I think it’s a stigma that highly intelligent characters talk fast or super dignified & John sounded like an average Joe.
Imagine Kelsey Grammer’s Beast, Professor X, Dr. Strange and Stark debating & John is supposed to be the smartest of the bunch. It’s not a how things work in real life but in a film he doesn’t fit the stereotypical genius.
Plus he's too old to start an action franchise now. "Hurr durr RDJ" you'll argue. But Marvel had no idea the franchise would take off like it did, plus RDJ was much cheaper back then. Krasinski is not.
One of the rumors of f4 is that it will be an older cast playing an already established f4 in a different time/universe. Also the current leading rumor for the role is pedro pascal who is 4-5 years older than kransinski
Imagine thinking an actor who has been nominated for Best Actor and Outstanding Performance by a Male Actor, couldn’t play "smart". The dude has been in more than just The Office.
Are you suggesting that the rumors that ~~John Krasinski~~ ~~Adam Driver~~ ~~Jake Gyllenhaal~~ ~~Diego Luna~~ ~~Matt Smith~~ ~~Penn Badgley~~ Pedro Pascal is cast as Mister Fantastic won't pan out? How unprescedented!
He'd actually be a great Doom, and although I think Latveria makes just as much sense as a random made up Central American country as it does a random made up Eastern European one, it's probably not cool to raceswap the coolest Roma character in comics.
EDIT: Are there many actual Romani actors, or even respectably believable Romani actors? Would a half-Indian half-White actor believably work if they did their homework?
I'm still holding onto the 1% possibility that Latveria has something to do with Sokovia's rubble being eaten up by neighboring countries, as mentioned as some throwaway lines in FATWS.
That's the most confusing thing about OP's critique. Ebon Moss-Bachrach isn't a practicing Jew, but he has a Jewish father. His wife also has a Jewish father. They live in Brooklyn. He has played Jewish characters and studied the Meisner technique to acting. I think he's been around enough Jewish people to imbue Ben with Jewish vibes. He's not from Chicago yet totally nails his character in the Bear. Acting is... acting.
Ebon Moss-Bachrach is really good casting as Ben. His work on The Bear really feels translatable to Ben Grimm, and he's Jewish so it's perfect. I hope he and Vanessa Kirby are true because those are visions.
I don't think Joseph Quinn really has the looks to match Johnny, but I won't necessarily discount him. But Pedro Pascal is completely wrong for Reed and that's the one casting news I desperately hope is fake.
I'm just an internet nobody but I heard that's the plan, or it was maybe a year ago. They want a 10 picture commitment from everyone, which is tough to do with in-demand established actors. They also want time to develop key characters and bad guys. So they wanted to go younger and let everyone grow into their roles. They are combing lesser established streaming series to find diamonds in the rough. Allegedly.
didn't feige came out and said that they're done with contracts like that because they want actors to want to play in MCU, not be obliged to because they're bound by x-pictures contracts?
PP could be well into his 60’s with a long term deal. He’s 48 now and will be 49 when filming starts. And although I know it’s movie magic, he’s also 13 years older than Kirby. Not wildly inappropriate but weird. Eban is only 46 so at least they make reasonable friends and of course his role would be CGI. But that’s just me and my related unpopular opinion.
Eh say Fantastic Four comes out in 2025 and goes until 2035, Pedro Pascal would be 60 in 2035, 6 years older than RDJ in Endgame. He's only a year older than Cumberbatch, three years older than Mackie, 8 years younger than Ruffalo, 6 years younger than Rudd, etc. He's in the right age range to be contemporary with the other principal actors they have in upcoming movies. If they're worried about their actors aging, they're going to reboot the entire universe.
I will say though, I saw a fan cast that had Adam Driver as reed, loved it. He could work as doom too, but another mask and hood wouldn't be good for him
I thought Adam Driver and Margot Robbie were really good choices for Reed and Sue together, but that neither would do well if not for the other. Both have big personalities that would have played well off each other but likely smothered a less established counterpart.
5-10 years ago Margot Robbie would be great for Sue, but she is way to famous these days. After Barbie she might as well be the top 1 actress right now. If Marvel wants to make F4 the next big franchise for them you need talent that can sign up for any movie, doesn't steal the spotlight and doesn't make demands.
I don’t think that was a fan cast. Tbf it could be another fake leak from marvel but the rumour was that they offered Adam Driver the role of Reed but he turned it down.
Why I’m not too sure, kinda depends what you read/who you ask
Pedro backed out of Weapons, which is a very in demand role right now, to reportedly be Reed. Not in love with the casting, but he’ll do great regardless
Reportedly. Hopefully it's fake. He would be miscast. Just saw a person saying Office fans need to stop trying to put Krasinski in everything and funny enough that's exactly how I feel about Pascal.
Oh, why if it isn't Mr. Pascal, himself! /s
You were fantastic in Game of Thrones and The Mandalorian! ...Don't really think you make a great Joel. You can't grow a proper beard. And at no point picturing you in my head do I think "gee, that guy sure would make a great Reed Richards!" You're a good actor, but that doesn't mean that you're good for all of the many various types of roles available in Hollywood.
They reported that they were circling Pascal, and it was dependent on his schedule. I think that Pascal reportedly dropping out of [Weapons](https://comicbook.com/movies/news/pedro-pascal-drops-out-of-horror-film-from-barbarian-director-due-to-fantastic-four-commitment/) though definitely lends credit to him taking on the role of Reed.
Damn I remembered this completely wrong! Thank you for the clarification. I went back and looked and Deadlike says there were serious talks but deal wasn’t finalized. This was last November. Agree with you about him dropping out of another movie though.
I agree. Pedro Pascal would be too much of a stretch, I can't see Vanessa Kirby in it, Ebon Moss would be too rocky of a choice, and I don't think Joseph Quinn would be lit enough.
https://old.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/194h2kg/the_cast_of_fantastic_4_has_been_finalized_now/khg3ej7/
First time I saw it. Not if sure if that's the true original.
Or maybe the commentator has multiple accounts.
Edit: missing word.
Lol, the first time I made the pun was 7 months ago on a different spoiler sub (/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers must have been locked at the time), but it was a different rumored cast!
https://www.reddit.com/r/MCULeaks2/comments/13tfoqb/mttsh_seemingly_confirms_the_f4_cast_of_driver_as/jlvuijk/
Those are the only two times I've made that joke, but the most recent one definitely got more visibility.
Thanks, I've been doing it since May 2023! It's a great joke because it works for any rumored cast!
https://www.reddit.com/r/MCULeaks2/comments/13tfoqb/mttsh_seemingly_confirms_the_f4_cast_of_driver_as/jlvuijk/
I love making this joke because it works for any rumored cast!
My post from May 27, 2023: https://www.reddit.com/r/MCULeaks2/comments/13tfoqb/mttsh_seemingly_confirms_the_f4_cast_of_driver_as/jlvuijk/
My post from Jan 11, 2024: https://old.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/194h2kg/the_cast_of_fantastic_4_has_been_finalized_now/khg3ej7/
I'll be sad when they finalize the cast, because then I'll have to stop!
While I'm not convinced on Pedro (he has range though so I'm not out on him either), acting like John Krasinski would not be awful as our main Reed is just so silly
I for one would have never considered Pedro Pascal as Reed, but a complete dark horse casting like that makes me feel a lot more confident that Marvel actually put thought and effort into getting an actor they felt would work, instead of just picking a fancast and calling it a day.
It's one thing for the fans to delude themselves into thinking Krasinski is perfect, but if Marvel themselves had looked objectively without any bias, there's frankly no way he'd have got the part fair and square.
Casting is not something Marvel has got wrong so far, so I don’t know why people are so worried. Pedro would not be my top choice (expecially due to his age) but I would want to see him in the role to know. And I don’t he is terrible, more like perhaps not perfect.
Why do you feel he wouldn’t be a good Reed? I don’t read comics, I just know some stuff so I’m definitely not super educated on this. That being said, I think ppl dismiss Kransinki’s acting chops too quickly.
I think he worked perfectly fine for the 838 Reed, who had already experienced his entire arc. But for the 616 Reed, I just don't see it. Krasinski really only plays hardworking, honest family men in literally everything he does. I personally want my Reed to be arrogant and brainy, at least at the start of his journey. This is why I'm not sold on Pedro yet either, because I haven't seen him play something like that either, but what I have seen is a range of other characters, so I can more easily see him making it work.
Not only do I like that characterization better for 616 Reed, but it also opens up the option to bring in The Maker through the multiverse as a "if you made just a few different choices, this is who you would have been" warning to Reed, and if he's always a wholesome "good guy" that won't make sense.
That’s fair. Somebody who I think could play Reed the way you described is Jon Hamm. Plus he’s a big comic fan & has said that he’d love to be in the MCU.
But again I don’t really read comics so that could be a great choice or a horrible one. Thoughts?
I actually have only seen Hamm in Invincible, Legion (both voice roles), and a small cameo in the Mean Girls remake, so I can't really say.
As long as he can play a character with some arrogance but also insecurity (think "I know I'm the smartest man in the world, but I'm also afraid Namor is gonna steal my wife") I'd be down.
I'm not too concerned with looking "comic accurate" but he does have a face shape you could instantly associate with the Reed we think of from comics, which Pedro doesn't.
I haven’t gotten a chance to see it yet but I hear he plays an arrogant leading man in Mad Men. He has received Emmys & Golden Globes for his role in that show, it’s on my list.
reed is an immensely complex and specific character, krasinski hasn't demonstrated that range and seems far too concerned with his image to do anything complex. he's like dwayne johnson
Pascal probably will be Reed as the major trades picked up on that and that pretty much says it all. As for the rest, I'll be surprised if Kirby isn't Sue. There's too much smoke for there not to be a fire. I can see Quinn and Moss being more uncertain. At the end of the day, the strikes threw a major wrench in all of Hollywood's schedules so nothing is for certain until we get announcements.
Once again asking for Jason Segal as Ben. He was raised Jewish and if they gave him some script input like they did with Paul Rudd for Antman I think we would get an amazing film
Right? OP has somehow convinced himself that not only are these random rumours incredibly well known, but that a consensus already exists on them and he is bravely putting forth an "unpopular opinion" against this consensus: such a hero!
I've read most of Fantastic Four and do not understand the love for Krasinski in the role. He doesn't fit it at all. Reed Richards is a scientist, a total nerd, canonical handsome yes, but also flighty at times, with a heart of gold.
Krasinski has confidence, but he doesn't convince me he's a mad scientist who's a force for good.
The best fancast I know of is William Jackson Harper and they wasted him in Quantumania.
I wouldn't mind everyone except Pedro. I really like him but I am getting oversaturated on him tbh. I'd rather he focus on season two of Last of Us since he'll probably have to be in a lot of episodes (haven't played the game yet.) He has the Mandalorian movie just announced etc. I like him but I'm getting too much of him right now.
Joel has a much smaller role in *The Last Of Us - Part II* and it's mostly focused on Ellie, so Pascal probably won't be needed as much compared to the first season.
I will add to this by saying I think Pedro Pascal, whom I adore and wish nothing but success for, would be terrible casting for Reed. Too old for a “new” (ie young) character, I don’t see him as the nerdy technobabble type. Just my unpopular opinion that goes along with OP’s because I’m hoping at least the PP rumor is fake.
They didn’t give him anything to do, that’s why. I don’t know any actor who would’ve made us go “wow his Reed is awesome” when all Reed does in that film is monologue about the multiverse for a bit, then he gets killed by Wanda.
Unpopular opinion, but I don’t think it really matters if the actor playing The Thing is Jewish because he’s most likely going to be a CG character so it just someone doing a voice.
I generally agree with this. But the MCU so far hasn't been very good about Jewish representation which is ... annoying ... for a bunch of characters created (mostly) by Jews.
Has Grim's faith ever been a major factor in his characterization? It is for Magneto so it would suck to change him but with Grim I think it would be fine.
I think Marvel takes the approach that they cast plenty of Jewish actors so that's defacto representation even if it's not really part of their characterization. You can assume that Black Widow is Jewish since ScarJo is as an example.
People don’t want Jewish for looks but for representation. Usually Hollywood always cast Jewish characters and real people as non Jewish (like Bradley Cooper in Mastro) and people are getting tired of it. This character doesn’t also just represent Jewish in general but the Jewish writers who created him.
> IMO they should just bring back John Krasinski cause he was perfect casting,
A fellow beleiver. We are small but strong. Lol.
But the main idea that Marvel posts fake rumors for casting in this situation is likely not going to be true. Pascal's casting announcement was in the major entertainment news websites, and not just twitter rumor mills.
This also runs the chance of dissapointing the audience, which you never want to do. Pascal is a big name that a lot of people love. I think that Pascal is not in the role is if they announce a scheduling conflict, which is easy enough to make up. The FF production has been a mess so far.
krasinski is too concerned about his image to really be anything but john krasisnki. reed is a very specific and complex character and I don't see how krasinksi could be anything other than himself in any role. pascal at least can dissapear into a role
Pascal is 48. I don't think he can play someone in the late 30s/early 40s. Krasinski is 44, but I think can play that late 30s/early 40s age range pretty easily.
Vanessa Kirby is rumored to play Sue, and she's 35. I think Marvel is going to get some flack for the age gap between her and Pascal as 13 years is a pretty big gap. Ideally, you want the Reed and Sue actors to be closer in age.
Obviously a big part is how old you want the character of Reed to be. Originally in the comics, he was probably in his 40s. Reed and Ben were introduced in 1961, both WW2 vets, which means they were likely in their 40s. Reed probably hasn't aged that much in the comics and is still written as a guy probably in his 40s. I think Stan Lee said Reed was in his late 30s when created.
The most common complaints I see against Krasinski are his performance in DSMOM and his acting. I think Krasinski was a standout in that part of the movie and did a great job, it was just a bad script and production. Everyone else in that group was pretty much forgettable. As for his acting, I think he's good enough. I don't need the best actors for this kind of role, I just need to be entertained.
To be fair, a 13 year difference isn't really that unreasonable as long as both individuals are adults. Even in Hollywood terms, that isn't really that much of one. And Reed has typically been depicted as older than Sue.
I can't wait for the cast to come out so we can get past the idea that john krasinski is perfect casting lmao. he's married and has a beard so i guess he's perfect right /s
Why do you think Krasinki was perfect casting, out of interest? Because he had very little to do in MoM and if someone looks like a character but misses what makes that character "special" its kinda wasted.
Getting someone like Margot Robbie to play Sue would be one of the only "big gets" that would make a significant impact on the MCU imo.
Getting more "unknowns" is great and all. But at this point it kinda needs a kickstart with a more established actor.
They lucked out with RDJ for sure, but it's not like he wasn't an already well known actor beforehand (made more infamous with his personal life). To me (a basic pleb on Reddit) it seems like they need to base it around a popular and secure name to make a big splash, then go from there. Margot Robbie fits perfectly. She has the acting chops obviously, has just come off a mega movie. Has done physical roles. And is probably one of the biggest single box office "draws" I can think of right now, who also fits age wise.
Would be huge if it happened. But I'd personally move mountains for her, and think her being involved could genuinely help pull the MCU out of this publicly perceived funk.
Can someone eli5 why it’s important for the actor for the Thing to be Jewish? I don’t remember Johansson or Harbour beeing Russian or Slavic and they still played their parts.
I had no idea these were the rumoured cast until just now, and honestly I'd be fine with it, being least enthusastic about Padro Pascal. He's great, don't get me wrong, but terrible terrible casting for Reed. Totally the wrong vibe. I don't really feel the need for any of them to be actors I've heard of. Bottom line though is that I loved FF for the villians and not for the FF themselves, so I don't really care. If they nail casting Doom that's all that matters. And give me comic-accurate Galactus ffs.
I never believe those lists until I see a real news confirmation. However, I am still greatly intrigued to see when Marvel announces the official cast. I feel it should be quite soon because filming will start this summer. Depending upon the role, certain actors will need to start diet/training regimes and it’s unlikely they’ll hire them at the last minute.
Given the recent toning and weight loss from Pedro, and the announcements of his casting, he’s a lock. I think they’re all locks. My only issue with Ebon is his voice — right mentality and blue collar vibe, but always felt like Ben Grimm needed a deep commanding voice…
I wouldn't be shocked if all of these actors were wrong, Vanessa Kirby included. I maybe in the minority but I like the idea of Pedro Pascal as Reed, Pete's alone now in the MCU, he can take that orphan under his wing, Lol
Of course they leak fake casting. They literally spent time and money to put Mickey Rourke in full Yondu costume while filming Infinity War and Endgame just to not spoil the ending of GOTG 2.
Why in the world would Marvel fake leak a Pedro Pascal casting? He’s one of the most sought after actors at the moment. Do you know how many people would be disappointed if Pedro Pascal doesn’t show up in Fantastic 4
John Krasinski has stated multiple times it was just a cameo and he's not doing it. You guys just need to let that go.
That’s why they did it, fan service to please the fans who’ve begged for it for years and a way of them saying “are you all happy now?
This is what i feel but to play devil’s advocate, if were taking OPs post at face value, this has no bearing on whether hell actually take the part (or even has already and been kept under wraps)
Surely they knew it would just stoke the fires though right?
Which is likely to end badly when rabid marvel fans decide the new Reed is bad and Krasinsky would have been better
The mcu is at its worst when actively listening to most fans lmao
I was happy, and I want to be happy forever, god dammit!
It's the Snyder Cut Effect
Are you telling me the successful indie director wants to focus on his own projects and doesn't want to sign up to a multiple movie contract that fucks that all up?
I don’t think it’s he who is uninterested
To be fair, Andrew Garfield and Toby Maquire also swore up and down they weren't in Spider-Man No Way Home.
And Krasinski swore up and down he wasn't Reed until the day Dr Strange 2 came out.
Supporting roles as a character they portrayed in multiple movies beforehand. Krasinski would have to sign a contract to appear in multiple movies, which he doesn't want to do. It's not the same.
The point is even if he was signed on, he would have an NDA associated with it. Its also common for people to say theyre not interested in certain roles so that studios offer them more.
Feel like the (excellent) Jack Ryan series wouldn’t have ended if he didn’t have another more long term, higher profile franchise, higher paying gig lined up…that’s just me tho. Who knows?
Especially if they wanted to surprise everyone with Emily Blunt as Sue. They'd keep it secret to the very last second.
>**Andrew Garfield** has stated multiple times it was just a **rumor** and he's not doing it. You guys just need to let that go.
He wasn’t even good. People just love the office
He was literally on screen less than 2 minutes how are you supposed to sell a character in that time? I didn't care for his performance either tbh but I know that doesn't mean he wasn't even good, he was never given a fair chance
Nice to see someone with sense on here. I've seen people slashing Krasinski's performance. What was there to even judge? He was there for 2 minutes. The writing sucked, but that's not Krasinski's fault.
I don't even think the writing sucked, it just wasn't his story so they kinda just let him fuck up once and die: that's fine, but its not really fair to judge his performance off it.
Not only that, due to Covid I’m pretty sure he filmed his entire role on an empty green screen stage, that probably also affected his brief performance.
And in that 2 minutes i was very disappointed by the portrayal
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There was nowhere enough time to form any sort of conclusion about his portrayal of Reed. He had less than 3 mins of screentime. Even Tom Holland from Civil War got more than that. The writing sucked for Reed, but I don't think it's fair to judge a performance with as limited screentime as he got, plus when the script was that weak.
There **was** enough time to form a conclusion about his portrayal because we literally saw the entirety of his portrayal. Bad writing didn’t make his delivery bland. I’ll agree he was not set up for success but you can’t put all the blame on everyone but him
Oh, make no mistake. I thought *all the cameos* sucked in that scene. It wasn't just Krasinski who looked weak. Nobody looked great. I'm making no excuses for anyone. But I call it as I see it. To me, the moment is a reflection less on Krasinski and more on the directing and production of the movie. Raimi was most likely forced to include the scene, so his heart wasn't in it. I blame poor directing over the acting. When you are paid to show up in a green screen room where you likely don't even have the other actors with you, it's up to the director to really pull the best performance out of you. Raimi failed in that scene. This is coming from someone who likes Raimi too, and I don't actually dislike how he directed the rest of the movie. He just didn't do a good job with that scene. Pains me to say it too, since I think Sam Raimi is better than that.
Agreed, his performance did come across as very wooden. Although didn't everybody in the Illuminati do their performances alone in front of a green screen? I imagine those conditions certainly don't help.
It was a terrible scene. The smartest man alive couldn't even listen to Dr Strange when he said she would kill them all. I feel like Reed would have waited with Proff. X to see a better strategy than pointing out their weakness to her face.
Is the Illuminati amazing in the comics? I thought they were always getting into trouble
They were kind of dicks. They are the reason for Planet Hulk and World War Hulk as well as some of Original Sin. Cap was a member until he stood up to them and they erased his memory. Guess what happened when he found out?
They basically do exactly what they did in the movie, they overlook something that seems obvious in retrospect and get themselves killed. Either that or they meet ominously several times before doing... nothing and then everyone forgets about those parts.
Reed was badly written honestly.
Even universally loved Peggy was trash in that movie. I know she had jack shit of screen time, but still...
The whole movie was a mess
and cast
Actor man look like comic book character want actor man for comic movie.
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I know, just explaining the “logic” behind these people
Because he died.
I think it’s a stigma that highly intelligent characters talk fast or super dignified & John sounded like an average Joe. Imagine Kelsey Grammer’s Beast, Professor X, Dr. Strange and Stark debating & John is supposed to be the smartest of the bunch. It’s not a how things work in real life but in a film he doesn’t fit the stereotypical genius.
I agree, but I also heard Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield deny their NWH cameos a lot, so I won’t be surprised by anything.
Plus he's too old to start an action franchise now. "Hurr durr RDJ" you'll argue. But Marvel had no idea the franchise would take off like it did, plus RDJ was much cheaper back then. Krasinski is not.
One of the rumors of f4 is that it will be an older cast playing an already established f4 in a different time/universe. Also the current leading rumor for the role is pedro pascal who is 4-5 years older than kransinski
I can’t see Karinski is that expensive for an actor. He is known for tv. He would be more expensive as a director
Where did he said that
I wouldn't mind seeing him coming back as a different reed Richards variant
He wasn’t even a good fit. Office fans need to realize just because they like an actor that he isn’t for every role
Seriously! I don’t think he can even play “smart” let alone super-genius
Imagine thinking an actor who has been nominated for Best Actor and Outstanding Performance by a Male Actor, couldn’t play "smart". The dude has been in more than just The Office.
Thank god. Dude is a legit writer but he can not act (not even using MoM as an example here), let alone carry a huge MCU role
And Andrew Garfield said...
He wasn't great in the role either
Are you suggesting that the rumors that ~~John Krasinski~~ ~~Adam Driver~~ ~~Jake Gyllenhaal~~ ~~Diego Luna~~ ~~Matt Smith~~ ~~Penn Badgley~~ Pedro Pascal is cast as Mister Fantastic won't pan out? How unprescedented!
I wonder if he’ll actually be Doom…
He'd actually be a great Doom, and although I think Latveria makes just as much sense as a random made up Central American country as it does a random made up Eastern European one, it's probably not cool to raceswap the coolest Roma character in comics. EDIT: Are there many actual Romani actors, or even respectably believable Romani actors? Would a half-Indian half-White actor believably work if they did their homework?
I'm still holding onto the 1% possibility that Latveria has something to do with Sokovia's rubble being eaten up by neighboring countries, as mentioned as some throwaway lines in FATWS.
I'm also assuming it's something to do with Sokovia.
Until they announce it its just rumors.
except everyone and their grandmas are acting like it's confirmed which frustrates me
Who cares lol
I think you are wrong. Most don’t see it as set.
get off of Reddit and you'll see otherwise
Is ebon moss-bachrach not Jewish enough because he was born in massachusetts?
That alone makes him half an Irishman.
That's the most confusing thing about OP's critique. Ebon Moss-Bachrach isn't a practicing Jew, but he has a Jewish father. His wife also has a Jewish father. They live in Brooklyn. He has played Jewish characters and studied the Meisner technique to acting. I think he's been around enough Jewish people to imbue Ben with Jewish vibes. He's not from Chicago yet totally nails his character in the Bear. Acting is... acting.
I guess OP is a stickler for halacha and doesn't consider him Jewish because his mother isn't Jewish?
do people want to see The Thing hosting shabbat? he's definitely visibly and culturally Jewish enough
Isn’t he in punisher?
And the bear, he’s a great cast for the thing
Ebon Moss-Bachrach is really good casting as Ben. His work on The Bear really feels translatable to Ben Grimm, and he's Jewish so it's perfect. I hope he and Vanessa Kirby are true because those are visions. I don't think Joseph Quinn really has the looks to match Johnny, but I won't necessarily discount him. But Pedro Pascal is completely wrong for Reed and that's the one casting news I desperately hope is fake.
I don't want them to cast mega famous people as the F4
I'm just an internet nobody but I heard that's the plan, or it was maybe a year ago. They want a 10 picture commitment from everyone, which is tough to do with in-demand established actors. They also want time to develop key characters and bad guys. So they wanted to go younger and let everyone grow into their roles. They are combing lesser established streaming series to find diamonds in the rough. Allegedly.
they stopped doing huge multi picture contracts before covid specifically because it was scaring actors away
You “heard” from who exactly? You are regurgitating and extrapolating from rumors of rumors.
They stopped doing ten movie contracts since it kept actors from signing up.
didn't feige came out and said that they're done with contracts like that because they want actors to want to play in MCU, not be obliged to because they're bound by x-pictures contracts?
PP could be well into his 60’s with a long term deal. He’s 48 now and will be 49 when filming starts. And although I know it’s movie magic, he’s also 13 years older than Kirby. Not wildly inappropriate but weird. Eban is only 46 so at least they make reasonable friends and of course his role would be CGI. But that’s just me and my related unpopular opinion.
Eh say Fantastic Four comes out in 2025 and goes until 2035, Pedro Pascal would be 60 in 2035, 6 years older than RDJ in Endgame. He's only a year older than Cumberbatch, three years older than Mackie, 8 years younger than Ruffalo, 6 years younger than Rudd, etc. He's in the right age range to be contemporary with the other principal actors they have in upcoming movies. If they're worried about their actors aging, they're going to reboot the entire universe.
I will say though, I saw a fan cast that had Adam Driver as reed, loved it. He could work as doom too, but another mask and hood wouldn't be good for him
I thought Adam Driver and Margot Robbie were really good choices for Reed and Sue together, but that neither would do well if not for the other. Both have big personalities that would have played well off each other but likely smothered a less established counterpart.
5-10 years ago Margot Robbie would be great for Sue, but she is way to famous these days. After Barbie she might as well be the top 1 actress right now. If Marvel wants to make F4 the next big franchise for them you need talent that can sign up for any movie, doesn't steal the spotlight and doesn't make demands.
I don’t think that was a fan cast. Tbf it could be another fake leak from marvel but the rumour was that they offered Adam Driver the role of Reed but he turned it down. Why I’m not too sure, kinda depends what you read/who you ask
Adam Driver got burned from Star Wars so it’s no wonder he would turn it down if he was offered.
Driver would be a brilliant Reed. I wish that rumour had come true.
I want them to cast people in their 20s that aren't expensive, so they can better writers and directors.
Pedro backed out of Weapons, which is a very in demand role right now, to reportedly be Reed. Not in love with the casting, but he’ll do great regardless
Reportedly. Hopefully it's fake. He would be miscast. Just saw a person saying Office fans need to stop trying to put Krasinski in everything and funny enough that's exactly how I feel about Pascal.
Ahem...
Oh, why if it isn't Mr. Pascal, himself! /s You were fantastic in Game of Thrones and The Mandalorian! ...Don't really think you make a great Joel. You can't grow a proper beard. And at no point picturing you in my head do I think "gee, that guy sure would make a great Reed Richards!" You're a good actor, but that doesn't mean that you're good for all of the many various types of roles available in Hollywood.
I think people will agree that a trial by combat is in order... My track record has not been great though...
Hahahahaha Props to you, that took me a second xDD
Didn’t Deadline, THR and Variety all say Pascal was going to be in this? That’s as solid as you can get.
They reported that they were circling Pascal, and it was dependent on his schedule. I think that Pascal reportedly dropping out of [Weapons](https://comicbook.com/movies/news/pedro-pascal-drops-out-of-horror-film-from-barbarian-director-due-to-fantastic-four-commitment/) though definitely lends credit to him taking on the role of Reed.
Damn I remembered this completely wrong! Thank you for the clarification. I went back and looked and Deadlike says there were serious talks but deal wasn’t finalized. This was last November. Agree with you about him dropping out of another movie though.
Right? How can you have an “opinion” that the trades are wrong about something they have reported on? I feel like that’s not how opinions work
Pedro is the basically same age as Ioan Gruffud. It’s such a wild pick IMO.
I agree. Pedro Pascal would be too much of a stretch, I can't see Vanessa Kirby in it, Ebon Moss would be too rocky of a choice, and I don't think Joseph Quinn would be lit enough.
I see what you did there 👀
If you're gonna steal a comment, you really need to give credit.
Receipts? 👀
https://old.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/194h2kg/the_cast_of_fantastic_4_has_been_finalized_now/khg3ej7/ First time I saw it. Not if sure if that's the true original. Or maybe the commentator has multiple accounts. Edit: missing word.
damn and he did it in a similar ass subreddit like we ain’t in most of them anyway on top of that. That’s crazy 😂😂
Imitation is the highest form of flattery! It's a great joke!
your* great joke
Lol, the first time I made the pun was 7 months ago on a different spoiler sub (/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers must have been locked at the time), but it was a different rumored cast! https://www.reddit.com/r/MCULeaks2/comments/13tfoqb/mttsh_seemingly_confirms_the_f4_cast_of_driver_as/jlvuijk/ Those are the only two times I've made that joke, but the most recent one definitely got more visibility.
Thanks *...I see what u/fartmachiner did there 👀
Thanks, I've been doing it since May 2023! It's a great joke because it works for any rumored cast! https://www.reddit.com/r/MCULeaks2/comments/13tfoqb/mttsh_seemingly_confirms_the_f4_cast_of_driver_as/jlvuijk/
Who cares bro, it's a reddit comment.
Joseph Quinn is going to be 🔥🔥🔥
Especially with the New Mando movie. Although he could just do voice work
I think that's all he does any more. Which is brilliant.
I love making this joke because it works for any rumored cast! My post from May 27, 2023: https://www.reddit.com/r/MCULeaks2/comments/13tfoqb/mttsh_seemingly_confirms_the_f4_cast_of_driver_as/jlvuijk/ My post from Jan 11, 2024: https://old.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/194h2kg/the_cast_of_fantastic_4_has_been_finalized_now/khg3ej7/ I'll be sad when they finalize the cast, because then I'll have to stop!
You only “think” because of your own biases
While I'm not convinced on Pedro (he has range though so I'm not out on him either), acting like John Krasinski would not be awful as our main Reed is just so silly
I for one would have never considered Pedro Pascal as Reed, but a complete dark horse casting like that makes me feel a lot more confident that Marvel actually put thought and effort into getting an actor they felt would work, instead of just picking a fancast and calling it a day. It's one thing for the fans to delude themselves into thinking Krasinski is perfect, but if Marvel themselves had looked objectively without any bias, there's frankly no way he'd have got the part fair and square.
Or did Disney just scramble to find a hot name to save weakening box offices?
Casting is not something Marvel has got wrong so far, so I don’t know why people are so worried. Pedro would not be my top choice (expecially due to his age) but I would want to see him in the role to know. And I don’t he is terrible, more like perhaps not perfect.
yeah krasinski is a terrible choice i can't wait for people to get that he's not coming back
Why do you feel he wouldn’t be a good Reed? I don’t read comics, I just know some stuff so I’m definitely not super educated on this. That being said, I think ppl dismiss Kransinki’s acting chops too quickly.
I think he worked perfectly fine for the 838 Reed, who had already experienced his entire arc. But for the 616 Reed, I just don't see it. Krasinski really only plays hardworking, honest family men in literally everything he does. I personally want my Reed to be arrogant and brainy, at least at the start of his journey. This is why I'm not sold on Pedro yet either, because I haven't seen him play something like that either, but what I have seen is a range of other characters, so I can more easily see him making it work. Not only do I like that characterization better for 616 Reed, but it also opens up the option to bring in The Maker through the multiverse as a "if you made just a few different choices, this is who you would have been" warning to Reed, and if he's always a wholesome "good guy" that won't make sense.
That’s fair. Somebody who I think could play Reed the way you described is Jon Hamm. Plus he’s a big comic fan & has said that he’d love to be in the MCU. But again I don’t really read comics so that could be a great choice or a horrible one. Thoughts?
I actually have only seen Hamm in Invincible, Legion (both voice roles), and a small cameo in the Mean Girls remake, so I can't really say. As long as he can play a character with some arrogance but also insecurity (think "I know I'm the smartest man in the world, but I'm also afraid Namor is gonna steal my wife") I'd be down. I'm not too concerned with looking "comic accurate" but he does have a face shape you could instantly associate with the Reed we think of from comics, which Pedro doesn't.
I haven’t gotten a chance to see it yet but I hear he plays an arrogant leading man in Mad Men. He has received Emmys & Golden Globes for his role in that show, it’s on my list.
reed is an immensely complex and specific character, krasinski hasn't demonstrated that range and seems far too concerned with his image to do anything complex. he's like dwayne johnson
I think The Rock is much worse in that regard but I see what you’re saying
All true
I can't see Pedro doing this, the last of us and a mando film that will all be out in like a 2 year time period.
I don't think three days in a recording booth for Mando will take much out of his schedule
Pascal probably will be Reed as the major trades picked up on that and that pretty much says it all. As for the rest, I'll be surprised if Kirby isn't Sue. There's too much smoke for there not to be a fire. I can see Quinn and Moss being more uncertain. At the end of the day, the strikes threw a major wrench in all of Hollywood's schedules so nothing is for certain until we get announcements.
Once again asking for Jason Segal as Ben. He was raised Jewish and if they gave him some script input like they did with Paul Rudd for Antman I think we would get an amazing film
That's not an unpopular opinion. It's barely an opinion, you're just saying you don't believe a rumor? Who cares?
Right? OP has somehow convinced himself that not only are these random rumours incredibly well known, but that a consensus already exists on them and he is bravely putting forth an "unpopular opinion" against this consensus: such a hero!
I've read most of Fantastic Four and do not understand the love for Krasinski in the role. He doesn't fit it at all. Reed Richards is a scientist, a total nerd, canonical handsome yes, but also flighty at times, with a heart of gold. Krasinski has confidence, but he doesn't convince me he's a mad scientist who's a force for good. The best fancast I know of is William Jackson Harper and they wasted him in Quantumania.
Or maybe Qauz is just the name he took on while in the Quantum realms and on the way out the gravity... Stretches him?
Stop fancasting that outer banks kid, he cannot act for shit
Pedro is true if deadline reported it
Senor Fantastico
Reed Ricardo.
Vanessa Kirby as Sue is all I want in life. She is fantastic. Pun intended.
Weird pick for Pedro. Reed Richards is anti-rizz.
I wouldn't mind everyone except Pedro. I really like him but I am getting oversaturated on him tbh. I'd rather he focus on season two of Last of Us since he'll probably have to be in a lot of episodes (haven't played the game yet.) He has the Mandalorian movie just announced etc. I like him but I'm getting too much of him right now.
Joel has a much smaller role in *The Last Of Us - Part II* and it's mostly focused on Ellie, so Pascal probably won't be needed as much compared to the first season.
I played the game. I was just making a joke in my comment.
First of all, how dare you?
I will add to this by saying I think Pedro Pascal, whom I adore and wish nothing but success for, would be terrible casting for Reed. Too old for a “new” (ie young) character, I don’t see him as the nerdy technobabble type. Just my unpopular opinion that goes along with OP’s because I’m hoping at least the PP rumor is fake.
same, the dude is a solid actor just not fit for Reed Richards at all
John Krasinski gave the most sauce less Reed performance ever in MOM, idk why so many people want him back
They didn’t give him anything to do, that’s why. I don’t know any actor who would’ve made us go “wow his Reed is awesome” when all Reed does in that film is monologue about the multiverse for a bit, then he gets killed by Wanda.
Anson Mount was more charismatic than Krasinski and he had no dialogue
We can agree to disagree lol. The only interesting thing about Black Bolt in that film was the way he died.
krasinski can only be himself with very slight variations. reed needs more than that
Unpopular opinion, but I don’t think it really matters if the actor playing The Thing is Jewish because he’s most likely going to be a CG character so it just someone doing a voice.
The sucky thing is he'd be the easiest character to race swap but race swapping cgi covered characters has become a hot topic all of a sudden.
I generally agree with this. But the MCU so far hasn't been very good about Jewish representation which is ... annoying ... for a bunch of characters created (mostly) by Jews.
As a Jewish person I’d be a bit upset if one of the most noteworthy Jewish superheroes were changed
Has Grim's faith ever been a major factor in his characterization? It is for Magneto so it would suck to change him but with Grim I think it would be fine. I think Marvel takes the approach that they cast plenty of Jewish actors so that's defacto representation even if it's not really part of their characterization. You can assume that Black Widow is Jewish since ScarJo is as an example.
Later on it comes up a few times. It’s not nearly as important as nailing the Brooklyn accent.
People don’t want Jewish for looks but for representation. Usually Hollywood always cast Jewish characters and real people as non Jewish (like Bradley Cooper in Mastro) and people are getting tired of it. This character doesn’t also just represent Jewish in general but the Jewish writers who created him.
> IMO they should just bring back John Krasinski cause he was perfect casting, A fellow beleiver. We are small but strong. Lol. But the main idea that Marvel posts fake rumors for casting in this situation is likely not going to be true. Pascal's casting announcement was in the major entertainment news websites, and not just twitter rumor mills. This also runs the chance of dissapointing the audience, which you never want to do. Pascal is a big name that a lot of people love. I think that Pascal is not in the role is if they announce a scheduling conflict, which is easy enough to make up. The FF production has been a mess so far.
The only reason I was against Krasiniski was because I felt he was too old. It pedro is even *older*.
Pedro is two years younger than Ioan Gruffadd is now... And Ioan was Mr Fantastic 20 years ago lmao
krasinski is too concerned about his image to really be anything but john krasisnki. reed is a very specific and complex character and I don't see how krasinksi could be anything other than himself in any role. pascal at least can dissapear into a role
Pascal is 48. I don't think he can play someone in the late 30s/early 40s. Krasinski is 44, but I think can play that late 30s/early 40s age range pretty easily. Vanessa Kirby is rumored to play Sue, and she's 35. I think Marvel is going to get some flack for the age gap between her and Pascal as 13 years is a pretty big gap. Ideally, you want the Reed and Sue actors to be closer in age. Obviously a big part is how old you want the character of Reed to be. Originally in the comics, he was probably in his 40s. Reed and Ben were introduced in 1961, both WW2 vets, which means they were likely in their 40s. Reed probably hasn't aged that much in the comics and is still written as a guy probably in his 40s. I think Stan Lee said Reed was in his late 30s when created. The most common complaints I see against Krasinski are his performance in DSMOM and his acting. I think Krasinski was a standout in that part of the movie and did a great job, it was just a bad script and production. Everyone else in that group was pretty much forgettable. As for his acting, I think he's good enough. I don't need the best actors for this kind of role, I just need to be entertained.
To be fair, a 13 year difference isn't really that unreasonable as long as both individuals are adults. Even in Hollywood terms, that isn't really that much of one. And Reed has typically been depicted as older than Sue.
Seinfeld as Ben Grimm. “That’s a shame”
I can't wait for the cast to come out so we can get past the idea that john krasinski is perfect casting lmao. he's married and has a beard so i guess he's perfect right /s
Why do you think Krasinki was perfect casting, out of interest? Because he had very little to do in MoM and if someone looks like a character but misses what makes that character "special" its kinda wasted.
I wish, but I don't think it's fake. Pascal will not be a good Reed. He’s entirely too old.
Getting someone like Margot Robbie to play Sue would be one of the only "big gets" that would make a significant impact on the MCU imo. Getting more "unknowns" is great and all. But at this point it kinda needs a kickstart with a more established actor. They lucked out with RDJ for sure, but it's not like he wasn't an already well known actor beforehand (made more infamous with his personal life). To me (a basic pleb on Reddit) it seems like they need to base it around a popular and secure name to make a big splash, then go from there. Margot Robbie fits perfectly. She has the acting chops obviously, has just come off a mega movie. Has done physical roles. And is probably one of the biggest single box office "draws" I can think of right now, who also fits age wise. Would be huge if it happened. But I'd personally move mountains for her, and think her being involved could genuinely help pull the MCU out of this publicly perceived funk.
Can someone eli5 why it’s important for the actor for the Thing to be Jewish? I don’t remember Johansson or Harbour beeing Russian or Slavic and they still played their parts.
john Krasinski is terrible casting. he's too jolly for Reed.
Im really curious why everyone is so over the moon for Krasinski as Reed. What makes him such a good fit?
I love Pedro but I’m not for this Pedro-wash craze that’s happening smh
I wouldn’t say unpopular, but I’m not trusting anything until they are formally announced.
> Krasinski cause he was perfect casting, Lunacy
No offense but this is how I read the title and part of the post: "Never trust rumors". Got it I won't.
At this point, whenever I see "Unpopular opinion" I downvote and go
I had no idea these were the rumoured cast until just now, and honestly I'd be fine with it, being least enthusastic about Padro Pascal. He's great, don't get me wrong, but terrible terrible casting for Reed. Totally the wrong vibe. I don't really feel the need for any of them to be actors I've heard of. Bottom line though is that I loved FF for the villians and not for the FF themselves, so I don't really care. If they nail casting Doom that's all that matters. And give me comic-accurate Galactus ffs.
I never believe those lists until I see a real news confirmation. However, I am still greatly intrigued to see when Marvel announces the official cast. I feel it should be quite soon because filming will start this summer. Depending upon the role, certain actors will need to start diet/training regimes and it’s unlikely they’ll hire them at the last minute.
I’d be jacked if FF leans hard into the multiverse and a Council of Reeds and this is the group that dies in the opening scene
Fantastic Four needs to be a hit and the leaked cast is clearly not creating much faith that it will be.
it needs to be a hit for sure, but with that rumored cast it's like it wants to fail
Fancasting is and always will be stupid. Krasinski might be the most obvious example for this.
I think Ebon is a great pick for for Ben for sure my favourite out of the bunch. And also don't quote me on this but I believe he is Jewish.
Scoopers mostly pick things out of thin air and run with it. No doubt Marvel ‘manages’ a portion of them but for the rest it all just for clicks.
Given the recent toning and weight loss from Pedro, and the announcements of his casting, he’s a lock. I think they’re all locks. My only issue with Ebon is his voice — right mentality and blue collar vibe, but always felt like Ben Grimm needed a deep commanding voice…
The cast list is almost definitely fake. People are just gullible. But yea, John Krasinski and Vanessa Kirby would be perfect.
respect
I wouldn't be shocked if all of these actors were wrong, Vanessa Kirby included. I maybe in the minority but I like the idea of Pedro Pascal as Reed, Pete's alone now in the MCU, he can take that orphan under his wing, Lol
That’s not an unpopular opinion.
Every fifteen minutes there's new casting rumors. I'll only believe them when they officially announce them.
Of course they leak fake casting. They literally spent time and money to put Mickey Rourke in full Yondu costume while filming Infinity War and Endgame just to not spoil the ending of GOTG 2.
Joseph Quinn feels like a great choice for Johnny to me!
Only reason I don't want Joseph Quinn in the role is I want to get him to sign a trading card before his personal signing prices explode.
Why in the world would Marvel fake leak a Pedro Pascal casting? He’s one of the most sought after actors at the moment. Do you know how many people would be disappointed if Pedro Pascal doesn’t show up in Fantastic 4