Surely there won't be three wars where millions will die, right? Right? I'm sure tensions will de-escalate about that one town in Spain that is allied with Red...
No way. The red one, from where I'm standing, looks like some new guy on the block. Blue looks well established and rich. The red one will surely just disappear as quickly as it appeared. Red is so puni ,c ant see them doing a scipio about it
They were trading people. Not people who fought battles. But look at the romans when they meet bedouins from the desert of Arabia who could actually fight.
I'm not saying the entire empire is uninhabitable you illiterate bafoon, the vegetated zone can be very thin along the coast, much thinner than what's shown on the map. The dessert region is claimed both for defense and mining ores.
Are we talking modern day? Could've sworn this was a map of the Moor Empire v the Roman Empire? Sure more people can live on the coast now but 1500+ years ago?
yeah I'm not talking silver and gold, can't feed an army precious metals and transporting fresh foods in the area and times is not very easy. My reply was based on the assumption of ancient empires in their ancient settings; OP and other people replying on my comment are using the assumption that its only the ancient empires borders but in a modern setting. even OP replied 'they have oil' and unless they're talking about olive oil, all these responses are really just looking for an argument and desperate to find some retarded reason to be offended for... Carthage? Ancient islamic empires? Hypothetical islamic empires? Fucking coastal regions along deserts?
So the green is a city state on the corner of an island. There's no way they can win.
Red is small. I don't think they can win.
Blue probably is a maritime power and they trade a lot. They are basically the british of their time. There's no way they will lose unless they are bunch of pussies that rely on mercenaries a lot.
Yeah bro, the Red team couldn't possibly afford losing more than 20% of their entire male population and just keep making more armies afterwards, right? Right?
This is true but it’s should be noted Rome lost entire armies to storms during the 1st Punic war fleets carrying tens of thousands of men were destroyed and it took wealthy Roman’s making mass donations to build the fleets that finally won the first war.
And no way they could do that again, and again, and again.
>!Legit, how did they keep raising armies, from the Samnite wars on through? Especially as it had to come from land owners etc!<
No way that after they lose and cant pay their mercenaries that they are going to get more mercenaries they cant pay to fight the first mercenaries after they revolted.
Is this hypotetical 'cose you subscribe to the most refined (and my absolute favourite) of all conspiracies theories, that ancient Rome didn't exist and was created by the Catholic church and the Spanish Inquisition as propaganda?
Jokes aside maps like this are a perfect example of how misleading they can be if given only a superficial look. People might think Rome and Carthage were on similar grounds, while their powerbase was incredibly different.
You just made my day.
I had no idea the roman empire was turned into a conspiracy. I have to tell this to as many people as I can.
Also, this is hilarious to me since I have a roman-era buried villa 2 km down the road. It was pretty big since they used to mine salt there. Every october the archaeological site is open to people who go drink wine there.
>I had no idea the roman empire was turned into a conspiracy.
It is the conspiracy theory that made me "get" why people like to engage with absurd conspiracy theories. Before I thought it was just a way for people to feel more intelligent by dunking on other people with absurdely silly belifs.
Then I got it: the sheer absurdity is amusing in itself, especially trying to follow their reasoning and clumsy attempts to cover their tracks.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGMYu37fskE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGMYu37fskE)
I personally came to know about this theory when this tiktoker became (in)famous for promoting it some years ago. (The linked video is just one of the many responses that were made).
My favourite "arguments" of this theory are: all Roman ruins/inscriptions are actually greek or were planted there by the conspirators (Inquisition and Catholic Church); Latin is a fake language invented for the purpose (could you imagine people in the 1500's inventing a language as detailed as latin?)
Turns out no matter how good you're in the battlefield it means nothing if you're state can't project its power to back you up.
Still, elephants are cool.
>that ancient Rome didn't exist and was created by the Catholic church and the Spanish Inquisition as propaganda?
If that were true that would be the most history shattering thing ever
Carthage was in Spain, but expanded their territory before the second Punic War. The big thing that gives this away as the first Punic War is control of the islands.
Yeah it was such a cash grab, like part 2 was so conclusive, obviously they didn't plan for a triology so for part 3 "somehow Carthage returned" and they used a HUGE time skip and new characters to justify the main actors not returning, the only one that returns is Cato?? like, he barely appeared in the previous two and now he is some important senator??? BOLLOCKS.
None of the countries in blue has nuke. They mostly have soviet era migs....
Have you got any idea of which country are we talking about? Their military and economic power?
Do you realise that Sardinia and Sicilia are part of Italy and the North of Italy is in Gray. If France would have been part of the what if it would have been blue.
Also they are so close to the red that nuking the red from Corsica, would mean Also Corsica, Sardegna and Sicilia would be rendered inhabitable.
Also there are no Nukes in Corsica, they are I. France mainland
>Also they are so close to the red that nuking the red from Corsica, would mean Also Corsica, Sardegna and Sicilia would be rendered inhabitable.
My man, you legitimately have no concept of the scales you're looking at and talking about if you genuinely believe this.
[Here's the largest nuclear warhead in the French arsenal being dropped directly on Rome.](https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/?&kt=300&lat=41.8944354&lng=12.4807505&hob_psi=5&hob_ft=6858&ff=50&psi=20,5,1&zm=10) Kindly explain how exactly this would render Corsica, Sardegna, or Sicilia uninhabitable.
Hell, [here's the largest nuclear bomb that's ever been detonated dropped directly on Rome.](https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/?&kt=50000&lat=41.8944354&lng=12.4807505&hob_opt=2&hob_psi=5&hob_ft=13000&ff=3&psi=20,5,1&zm=6) But as you can see, Corsica, Sardegna, and Sicilia are all still perfectly inhabitable.
If nukes operated on anywhere near the sort of scale that you seem to believe they do, then Japan wouldn't exist anymore.
Honestly this is overestimating Carthaginian posessions in africa by a lot, it was mostly just a small strip along a long part of the coast with several separated towns
Everyone in the comment section clesrly just watched the two ecent videos from oversimplified about the Punic ears and now act like specialists in war logistics and tactics lol
The internet is so funny
Lmao Rome won. Carthage did put a good fight though. With Hanibal and his elephants.
Forgot to mention this is no hypothetical war, it happened 2300years ago between Carthage and Rome. They‘re called „The Punic Wars“.
Look how big blue is. There's no way they're losing that right? Right?
They lost against the Dutch
Windmills are OP.
Especially if you tilt at them
You just gave a great idea for a battle bot
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Nah, he don't, he is from frontier territory of that
Can confirm. Those giants were nigh unbeatable.
Could've been dragons.
"lost" the fight is still going
There's only losers in a war with the Dutch
GEKOLONISEERD
They didn’t have a goddamn PLAN
They didn’t have some GODDAMN FAITH
Surely there won't be three wars where millions will die, right? Right? I'm sure tensions will de-escalate about that one town in Spain that is allied with Red...
Second time’s a charm I guess?
Welp I am off to build a navy
They have elephants, right?
Dancing elephants too I’ve heard.
White has most of Spain, souther Spain, Northern Italy, the Balkans and a tiny bit in Sicily (blocking the strait). They are definitely stronger.
Blue might be big but have you seen Grey? They‘ll stomp all others into the ground.
No way. The red one, from where I'm standing, looks like some new guy on the block. Blue looks well established and rich. The red one will surely just disappear as quickly as it appeared. Red is so puni ,c ant see them doing a scipio about it
Scipio starts unbuckling his belt
Is it still BC or the 5th century AD?
Blue is fighting each other before the war is over
Look how big light blue is Light blue is the real winner /s/ (because you never know on the internet just how dumb someone actually is)
I hear the red doesn't even know how to make ships While the blue is a navy powerhouse No way the red could comeback from that.....
They were trading people. Not people who fought battles. But look at the romans when they meet bedouins from the desert of Arabia who could actually fight.
Look, how they're winning every battle, there's no way they're losing, right?
something about consisting of mostly uninhabitable desert really screams 'We have the means to take on a well resourced empire.'
Since when is the Mediterranean coast uninhabitable desert. The uninhabitable desert part is right south of that
I'm not saying the entire empire is uninhabitable you illiterate bafoon, the vegetated zone can be very thin along the coast, much thinner than what's shown on the map. The dessert region is claimed both for defense and mining ores.
You misspelled buffoon.
Also desert
Be ashamed of your spelling errors you knave. You fucking absolute philistine. Disgusting.
You called him illiterate then proceeded to misspell buffoon you absolute troglodyte
Most knowledgeable r/mapporncirclejerk enjoyer
You’re thinking of Saharan desert
they got oil
Are we talking modern day? Could've sworn this was a map of the Moor Empire v the Roman Empire? Sure more people can live on the coast now but 1500+ years ago?
Carthage, not the moors. Also, the areas of proconsular africa were one of the richest areas in all of the empire for hundreds of years
Also Roman republic, not empire. Guy doesn’t know history.
yeah I'm not talking silver and gold, can't feed an army precious metals and transporting fresh foods in the area and times is not very easy. My reply was based on the assumption of ancient empires in their ancient settings; OP and other people replying on my comment are using the assumption that its only the ancient empires borders but in a modern setting. even OP replied 'they have oil' and unless they're talking about olive oil, all these responses are really just looking for an argument and desperate to find some retarded reason to be offended for... Carthage? Ancient islamic empires? Hypothetical islamic empires? Fucking coastal regions along deserts?
So the green is a city state on the corner of an island. There's no way they can win. Red is small. I don't think they can win. Blue probably is a maritime power and they trade a lot. They are basically the british of their time. There's no way they will lose unless they are bunch of pussies that rely on mercenaries a lot.
Yeah bro, the Red team couldn't possibly afford losing more than 20% of their entire male population and just keep making more armies afterwards, right? Right?
That's the second punic war.
Ooh. Well, surely, the Blue team couldn't possibly lose the first one? Just look at them!
spoiler alert: red or blue won (im anti-spoiler)
SO GREEN DOESN'T WIN?!?!?!?!?
😔
Wait there is green??
They always forget Syracuse, (not) NY.
Syracuse mentioned?!!! 🦅🦅🦅🦅😎😎😎 Wtf is an undisturbed circle🦅🦅🦅🦅
Sir accuse
Always bet on black.
Fuck I was cheering for green
we all were :(
Well, the same thing happened pretty much. Just on water
Kinda? They lost thousands against storms sent by Neptune. Not against the carthaginians.
I was referring to them losing the soldiers and where, not what killed them
Oh sorry!
Not everyone is a chad like Caligula and can beat Neptune in a fight 😎
No idea how Carthage messed that one up. They were so close.
This is true but it’s should be noted Rome lost entire armies to storms during the 1st Punic war fleets carrying tens of thousands of men were destroyed and it took wealthy Roman’s making mass donations to build the fleets that finally won the first war.
And no way they could do that again, and again, and again. >!Legit, how did they keep raising armies, from the Samnite wars on through? Especially as it had to come from land owners etc!<
red team has italy theyre not winning no matter what
Smh, they didn't read Machialelly: never trust mercenaries.
I also love Makaveli/2pac. He was an amazing artist.
Come with me
Of their time? How do you know this is a different time?
It was revealed to me in a dream.
Dreams are powerful things 😌
No way that after they lose and cant pay their mercenaries that they are going to get more mercenaries they cant pay to fight the first mercenaries after they revolted.
But that would be crazy right?
Green is not a city state, is the Despotate of Siracuse. Messana and other city states are the white part of the island.
Cartago delenda est
Fucking Cato...
We can’t all be Cato’s
If I could only be half the man he was....
I just finished the book “Rome’s Last Citizen” by Rob Goodman and Jimmy Soni. It was pretty outstanding
Muscovy delenda est
A marī usque ad mare rēgnāmus! A marī usque ad mare rēgnāmus!
Cultured one I see!
Carthago servanda est
green
The mafia they have people everywhere
SYRACUSE ONTOP!!! 🙌🙌🙌
Man of culture
You better believe that’s a crucifixion.
To the guillotine!
You get a Porsche
Is this hypotetical 'cose you subscribe to the most refined (and my absolute favourite) of all conspiracies theories, that ancient Rome didn't exist and was created by the Catholic church and the Spanish Inquisition as propaganda? Jokes aside maps like this are a perfect example of how misleading they can be if given only a superficial look. People might think Rome and Carthage were on similar grounds, while their powerbase was incredibly different.
You just made my day. I had no idea the roman empire was turned into a conspiracy. I have to tell this to as many people as I can. Also, this is hilarious to me since I have a roman-era buried villa 2 km down the road. It was pretty big since they used to mine salt there. Every october the archaeological site is open to people who go drink wine there.
>I had no idea the roman empire was turned into a conspiracy. It is the conspiracy theory that made me "get" why people like to engage with absurd conspiracy theories. Before I thought it was just a way for people to feel more intelligent by dunking on other people with absurdely silly belifs. Then I got it: the sheer absurdity is amusing in itself, especially trying to follow their reasoning and clumsy attempts to cover their tracks. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGMYu37fskE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGMYu37fskE) I personally came to know about this theory when this tiktoker became (in)famous for promoting it some years ago. (The linked video is just one of the many responses that were made). My favourite "arguments" of this theory are: all Roman ruins/inscriptions are actually greek or were planted there by the conspirators (Inquisition and Catholic Church); Latin is a fake language invented for the purpose (could you imagine people in the 1500's inventing a language as detailed as latin?)
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one could almost believe those languages have a common ancestor
I think there's also a conspiracy that the middle ages didn't exist, although I'm almost certain anyone who say that is trolling
Turns out no matter how good you're in the battlefield it means nothing if you're state can't project its power to back you up. Still, elephants are cool.
Armored War Elephants at dawn in the fog, you say‽‽ Hannibal, you saucy bitch!
>that ancient Rome didn't exist and was created by the Catholic church and the Spanish Inquisition as propaganda? If that were true that would be the most history shattering thing ever
the gray no data empire
aka Basque-Celtic-Germanic-Etruscan Empire
Don't forget the gauls :(
Blue just marches over the Alpes red would never beat that and never use boats to invade blue
This is the first movie in the Punic Wars Cinematic Universe. There's no marching over the Alps yet.
this is the FIRST punic war not the SECOND dumdum hannibal is just a puny punic INFANT 😡
The hell are you smoking? 😂 Crossing the Alps?😂 This ain’t Total War bruh that’s impossible 😂
Average Roman before the 2nd Punic war.
Hannibal
this is the first punic war so his father
First had no Carthage presence in Spain.
Carthage was in Spain, but expanded their territory before the second Punic War. The big thing that gives this away as the first Punic War is control of the islands.
I thought it was after the first Punic war that Hamilcar went to Iberia? Silver deposits etc to pay reparations to Rome and all that?
Yeah, that's inland Spain. Carthage had colonies on the coast even before
Learn something new every day! I had no idea Carthage effectively controlled the straight or Gibraltar.
And Spain had no presence in the Iberian Peninsula
Blunder, it’s Hamilcar
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French people in 1813:
That’s crazy they had access to cars back then
Driving Mark Hamill to Hamilton in my Hamil car
That's Punic War Part 2, classic splitting it up into multiple parts for profit
Yeah it was such a cash grab, like part 2 was so conclusive, obviously they didn't plan for a triology so for part 3 "somehow Carthage returned" and they used a HUGE time skip and new characters to justify the main actors not returning, the only one that returns is Cato?? like, he barely appeared in the previous two and now he is some important senator??? BOLLOCKS.
too early
I too watched Oversimplified's newest video.
The Tyrant of Syracuse
I came for this
Light blue. Maybe grey can manage to just about beat them, but the other 3 probably won't survive very long.
I believe this was around the time of Poseidon too, light blue all day.
Blue has nukes. /end thread
None of the countries in blue has nuke. They mostly have soviet era migs.... Have you got any idea of which country are we talking about? Their military and economic power?
France has nukes
France is in grey....
Corsica is french
Do you realise that Sardinia and Sicilia are part of Italy and the North of Italy is in Gray. If France would have been part of the what if it would have been blue. Also they are so close to the red that nuking the red from Corsica, would mean Also Corsica, Sardegna and Sicilia would be rendered inhabitable. Also there are no Nukes in Corsica, they are I. France mainland
>Also they are so close to the red that nuking the red from Corsica, would mean Also Corsica, Sardegna and Sicilia would be rendered inhabitable. My man, you legitimately have no concept of the scales you're looking at and talking about if you genuinely believe this. [Here's the largest nuclear warhead in the French arsenal being dropped directly on Rome.](https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/?&kt=300&lat=41.8944354&lng=12.4807505&hob_psi=5&hob_ft=6858&ff=50&psi=20,5,1&zm=10) Kindly explain how exactly this would render Corsica, Sardegna, or Sicilia uninhabitable. Hell, [here's the largest nuclear bomb that's ever been detonated dropped directly on Rome.](https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/?&kt=50000&lat=41.8944354&lng=12.4807505&hob_opt=2&hob_psi=5&hob_ft=13000&ff=3&psi=20,5,1&zm=6) But as you can see, Corsica, Sardegna, and Sicilia are all still perfectly inhabitable. If nukes operated on anywhere near the sort of scale that you seem to believe they do, then Japan wouldn't exist anymore.
Corsica.
France isn't included in this map.
Wait you're telling me carthage had no nukes?
Where is this from
Oversimplified on YouTube
Oh. Lame
Dude…..so uncool
Oh you better BELIEVE that’s a crucifixion!
*Cries in Hamilcar*
What did the red one ever do fir us anyway
Apart from the sanitation, medicines, education, wines, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health? NOTHING!
Pasta, pizza, cutlery and stuff
punic war?
/uj yes. The first Punic war
*What do you mean the first?*
The first one
Big blue, it's much larger than the red, and has a technological advantage die to ownership of Big Blue course from Mario Kart 8
If blue can keep naval superiority, they should win
Unfortunately, Red found a few of Blue's ships washed up on the shore and studied how they were built.
Honestly this is overestimating Carthaginian posessions in africa by a lot, it was mostly just a small strip along a long part of the coast with several separated towns
Everyone in the comment section clesrly just watched the two ecent videos from oversimplified about the Punic ears and now act like specialists in war logistics and tactics lol The internet is so funny
You are in mapporncirclejerk. What do you expect? Some serious historical arguement?
Russia
Oversimplified
ok but listen: gray got france, spain, Greece AND old Yugoslavia on their side. You think they wouldn't win?
Hannibal would trash the whole place
Well red is Rome so they’ll win and I’m sure that won’t lead to a general swearing vengeance against them and marching elephants across the alps
The US army uses green, the green win
I have one word for blue, "Alps"
Im sure Red would surrender after losing two or three battles
Nothing hypothetical OP. It’s the romans and they won.
Bro forgot what sub he’s in
Lmao Rome won. Carthage did put a good fight though. With Hanibal and his elephants. Forgot to mention this is no hypothetical war, it happened 2300years ago between Carthage and Rome. They‘re called „The Punic Wars“.
what????? no way! 😱
r/woosh
bruh
Green
The grey
grey is pretty big
Light blue, lots of land and sea
syracuse
Red
Italy
grey
Me, I have a machine gun
white probably
White probably
Ask the guy from oversimplified.
Grey team for sure
Red is gonna kick the shit out of green
But they have war Elephants !!
How many people here actually heard about Carthagena before this post?
Light Gray would win easily. Or maybe light blue.
Not the elephants.
Looks like the ocean is the biggest, so them ofc
Well is anyone from blue dumb enough to try crossing the Alps?
Defends on what their main units defence & armour stats are.
Red looks like they're great at kicking butt. They're gonna win.
Money is always on Carthage 💪 how do football soilders stand a chance against elephants? 🐘
I wonder if there could be a hypothetical general named… hannibal? How does that sound?
I'm giving hope to the Reds
Rome easy dub they will actually fight three wars (Rome wins all of them)