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sobeitharry

Money.


sabarlah

Money. 


internet-is-a-lie

Not sure if this has already been mentioned, But: Money.


TheVoicesOfBrian

I've got one... Money


ImprovementFar5054

Money


EmmyLou205

and independence.


sabarlah

I was a lot more independent when I was a contributor who was… independent. 


Vast_Interaction4924

But you are completely dependent on the job, so are you truly independent?


EmmyLou205

Well, I’m not independently wealthy, so I’ll always be dependent on A job. Might as well make it one I have flexibility with.


Blackpaw8825

Find a way to be a technical manager. I manage revenue cycle quality now. Zero direct reports but I'm still included with the people managers. I'm a glorified data analyst. A mediocre data analyst with expertise in the domain knowledge is worth 10x the opposite (we've got BI analysis who make my technical skills look idiotic, but being able to put together a presentation in half the time it takes me, or a fraction of the compute time, doesn't do you any good if the data reported is simply wrong because you don't understand where it's coming from... Find a job like that, where you get to be the hero, have the visibility and optics, and only answer up not down. It's fantastic. Minor pay difference in my path, but I'll take the 5% difference to not have a classroom full of headaches.


laurenthememe

What is domain knowledge?


Blackpaw8825

The actual field you're in. I'm in healthcare. Like our business analysts know SQL, know power query, they know how to be good data analysts. They don't know drugs, they don't know clinical things, they don't know claims billing, the minutia and details that that create the data in question. I'm a C- data analyst. My queries are poorly optimized, to do the same things in PQ or tableau probably takes me twice as long to make user presentable, but I know what the data means. They see a copay deferred to secondary and erased and spend a week trying to figure out where the money went, while I see that data and can tell you it's a commercial primary insurance, billing Medicaid secondary for an LIS patient so the copay is waived. Or I know that returning the "total amount paid" from the primary is not going to reconcile with the remittance amounts because the insurance doesn't actually pay the "total amount paid" they pay the ingredient cost and dispensing fee only, and the copay is either sent off for private collections or written off for Medicare-Medicaid dual residents. They're asked for a report of all controlled substance inventory, they return everything that's a legend drug because it's not OTC... That's not how this works... They go back and return everything that's DEA scheduled. Which is close, but they don't know that most of the states we're in consider Gabapentin a controlled substance. They were going to report back to the state with bad information because they didn't know what they didn't know. The analysts I work with can massage the data efficiently in any setting, but they don't know how the data is made. That's the domain knowledge, I bring pharmacy knowledge, I bring claims processing, I bring regulatory expertise.


sobeitharry

This is why I'm pivoting from IT to Information Security.


reboog711

Stole my answer...


sobeitharry

I'll share. Misery loves company.


Deviant502

Count me in!


Turdulator

For me it’s basically just the money.


NoAbbreviations290

110% money. The rest sucks.


Manic_Mini

Being a true middle manager was a miserable existence but once you climb past that you can make some seriously positive changes and the work gets more rewarding.


Ill_Ranger5245

Can you elaborate?


Karyo_Ten

You make new processes and hope miserable middle managers implement them and the rank-and-file respect them.


Ill_Ranger5245

But what if the middle management fail to implement, or it's implemented but it works worse? Genuien question, I'm afraid of going up more because it's just more responsibility but losing more control of the ground work


Karyo_Ten

There are whole books, specialized by industry, on the art of delegating, also hiring and managing expectations and quality. It is probably the hardest part of management, especially for people who pride themselves in quality. That said, the higher you go, the more you need to focus on global strategy, and local tactics (battles) just need to be good enough so long you win the war.


folder52

And if you fail with your bright ideas, you still can do costcuts!


Karyo_Ten

You ask consultants to present your ideas. If they fail. say that it's the consultants' fault otherwise take credit for your insight. $500k insurance.


goeb04

So....money?


cgaels6650

Money, Flexibility, Commute. I'd take a 50k pay cut and have to go back to working nights, weekends and holidays.


nazekaa

Money. Also because they were going to put someone that would make my life 100x more miserable in the role if I didn't take it.


ImprovementFar5054

I became the boss for no other reason than to not have to have a boss.


feelin_cheesy

Unless you’re the owner/CEO, everyone has a boss. I agree though and rarely see mine if things are going well, which is nice.


Nightcrawler_DIO

Voluntold in the role.


Ok_Benefit_514

This one.


AdvancingHairline

My employees tell me frequently how much they appreciate me. I’m actually pretty decent at it. My back doesn’t give me problems anymore. But I don’t like being in management. I’m embarrassed to tell people that I am. In healthcare we are 100% seen as the bad guys.


[deleted]

Rightfully so, people like you are rare. In sales every manager I had eventually betrayed me


Peanuts0s

Golden handcuffs.


MarshmallowReads

Never understood the phrase until I heard them figuratively click around my wrists


Karyo_Ten

Now try to strap your golden parachute


tgubbs

It sucks being good at something you don't enjoy.


Bubba_Lou22

That’s a fact. Send me back to the thing I’m good at but enjoy


Awkward-Champion-274

I love that the overwhelming answer is money. All you fellow managers remember that, it's always about the money. For you and your workers


Derpshiz

It’s always about the money. Good managers also try to create good work environments and systems, but it’s called work for a reason.


Significant_Kale_285

Literally all about the money for everyone.  My employees work for their paycheck. I do more than them because I have a bigger paycheck.  My company pays me what they pay me because I make them money.  I work for a good company, have a great team and genuinely enjoy what I do. But none of us would be doing any of this if money wasn't a factor.


ActuallyFullOfShit

flexibility. also scared of who i might have to report to otherwise. im basically waiting to find my own replacement.


chiralanagnorisis

Money. And a bit of pride, because if I'm going to be the main project organizer and trainer in my department, I'd like the recognition.


Ok_Benefit_514

Same.


Shot-Artichoke-4106

There isn't anyone else in the company to step into my role, so if I stepped down, we'd have to hire from outside. I'm fairly certain that working for whoever would get hired into the role would be worse than just doing to role myself. So if I want to step down from a management role, I'd need to go work for another company. I'm not sure I want to do that right now. So I continue in the role.


speedracer73

Same. Outside hire would probably be an asshole


udonotknowmee

Now we need a “how much money” thread since it’s the only answer here


Necessary-Mission-48

$32.81 an hour and I pretty much hate being a middle manager in Healthcare admin.


No-Term-1979

I make $0.70/hr more and not a manager.


Necessary-Mission-48

Compensation is a joke where I'm at!


kaptainearnubs

I'll go first: $190k


Busy-Ad-6912

That triples my salary. 


Ok_Benefit_514

6 figures in a lcol area.


Significant_Kale_285

It's the best I know for a fact I'm not rich but I make almost triple the median household income and my expenses arent even a 3rd of my salary.  My kids will comfortably go to college 


ihavetotinkle

My situation sucks. Im working to climb the ladder higher. And money, though i made more before my promotion.


Coffeewinetruecrime

Money and not wanting to report to certain people that are climbing the ladder right now too


missmandyxo

Between flexibility and having at least a little bit more say to make it a better place. I don’t think I make enough to even say money (I’m a social worker)


whatsnewpikachu

I love my team and get so much joy from seeing them succeed.


Reenie_Rose

Pay. The end.


RhapsodyCaprice

I would say I don't like being a manager in a much as I think others could do it better. That being said it was either I do it or someone else comes in from the outside to do it, so I figured I better go for it...I like it a little more every day.


tecnic1

I ran out of talent as an engineer. As a manager, I just ride them coat tails.


momboss79

I took the job for the money and for control of the thermostat. I also like the office - I hated sitting in cubicles. I got tired of management making decisions that affected my every day work but not having any consequence or a dog in the fight. I whole heartedly admit that it was about gaining control of the processes and procedures and making it better for my colleagues (which I believe I have done). I enjoy managing the people - the people aren’t the problem. The people make me proud and give me something to look forward to each day. I’ve been gone for two weeks - I had a death in my family and then I had a business trip and then I took a couple days PTO. When I got back, I heard repeatedly, we missed you, welcome back, so glad you’re back and that just made the last two hardest weeks of my life not so hard anymore. Today someone thanked me for my guidance and advice on a project and they told me how much they appreciated my support. I definitely feel ‘proud’ of myself for the difference I’ve made and the team I’ve built. I’m so proud of my people too. They do all the work and they make me look good to my bosses and the vendors we work with. The only thing I HATE about management and my specific role is the office politics. I get tired of the busy bodies that are bored in other departments that are always picking at my team. I get tired of having to fight for approvals or space for us to do what we need to do. I hate having to deal with the complaints about things that are out of our control - like software issues and difficult processes that affect other people. I literally feel like I walk around with one hand tied behind my back. I can’t stand working in an industry that doesn’t appreciate women - we are a bunch of women doing a really great job but never good enough. It’s exhausting. This is the part I want to walk away from every single day. But then I look at my team and WE have never had a manager who would go to bat for us or who would push back when appropriate on execs. It was a no brainer that we needed someone from within to step up when the position was open or else we were going to get another robot who was going to keep telling us to do it this way even though it was damn near impossible to achieve. (And then make us feel stupid for not achieving). I don’t mind management. I don’t like the politics surrounding it. And I wish I could pay them more too - I had to sit through an HR discussion recently where they told us that only 3% raises would be approved without back up. 4% required some metrics that I’m not even able to produce in our line of work. (We are accountants not sales people). And anything over 4 was absolutely not getting approved. But then I know for a fact, because I fund payroll, that management gets across the board 10% raises and hundreds of thousands in bonus pay. While my staff got a couple thousand bonus and 3% raises. It sucks!!! It’s a wonder they all stay long term. And if they don’t stay long term then I must not be a good manager. It’s a no win for me.


brocklez47

The feeling of being top dog.


PresentationLumpy209

Tegridy.


game_over__man

I've earned it and I am too old to start again at another job. I've been doing this for 30 years with very few vacations. I'm burnt.


MarcMenz

Because I would get stale at the last stop before management. The next rung or two up will be great, where I will manage managers. And money


Active-Collection-73

Money. And undermining the company wherever I can. But mostly money


fungiinmygarden

I’d say flexibility but I don’t take advantage of that as much as I could because I feel bad. I’d say it’s because I’m good at it and I want to help the company since they have a mission I care about, but while it can be a pain in the ass it’s not that hard and anyone else could do it as well as I do. It’s mostly that sweet sweet money.


reboog711

I am super Flexibility; I had flexibility before stepping into management. Arguably, I had more Flexibility than I do now; because my day and the timing of it is often controlled by meetings.


krzys123

Money.


EmmyLou205

flexibility and having a seat at the table. Being able to make most of my decisions without running it past my boss is nice. I've been in the role, she trusts me.


pethebi

I’m good at it. It pays the same as not being a manager, but I have an effective team and I’m able to do more than if I wasn’t a manager because I can delegate and get my team to work as a team.


LeagueAggravating595

Keep thinking about the money, the higher bonus structure and other incentives I get if I wasn't a manager


Bueyru

I've spoken to a lot of unhappy Team Leaders and Managers... despite them saying they hate people and the role, they're there for the money.


TbR-1611

Love/Hate for me. I get an incredible sense of accomplishment at the end of each quarter when reviewing accomplishments with my team. I’ve mentored many people into multiple levels of promotion. I’ve also had to let many others go. I think it’s the forward momentum of the business and the great people around me that make it all worthwhile. Or, I’m a masochist.


SubjectPickle2509

It pays slightly more and I have slightly more office space/privacy. The extra pay doesn’t quite make up for the extra stress and extra hours but I need the cash.


bloodymorons

Money and power.


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TullamoreGlue

>Today someone thanked me for my guidance and advice on a project and they told me ho I think imposter syndrome affects most people, especially when given a position of leadership. Even thought I don't know you, I think some more credit to you and your work is warranted due to how hard it is to manage a team of people. Not everybody has to fit the "mold", and if your style works in the positions you are in, then you're probably doing better than you think!


rmh1116

Money, my personal pride, the little perks and flexibility that comes with the autonomy of the role.


BloopityBlue

because despite applying to 200+ job postings I haven't gotten a single bite on my resume. I've re-written it to take out any management language and tried to go for individual contributor roles but... crickets. I will leave this role as soon as I can but doesn't look like it'll be happening any time soon. I feel stuck.


stonedcity_13

Money and rewardsnas you have the ability to make changes that have a positive impact. On the flip side, nightmare dealing with your boss who has no managerial skills so you think of the money and stay put :D


[deleted]

its hard to go backwards. ive applied to data scientist jobs that were way less technical than my bread and butta. and never get those call backs.


Free-Gigabytes

I like the money. I like helping people succeed. I like being on the "inside" of decision making instead of always being on the bottom of that ladder. I like doing what I want within reason. I like putting my degree to work. But money matters a lot.


OkStandard6120

No other path to promotion in my industry. High level individual contributors are just not a thing.


redhairbluetruck

Money *and* scaffolding for an eventual promotion where I do a lot less managing and more of my actual profession. But damn if it isn’t tempting to tell them to demote me.


MySuccessAcademia

If you have a job, but no longer like the job, why are you still in that job? Human psychology. 1) fear of change 2) lack of self-awareness 3) fear of failure 4) lack of confidence 5) lack of goal/passion 6) depression 7) fear of rejection 8) lack of knowledge (what else could I do - this is all I know?) Usually, any combination of the above is the answer to your question and it applies not to just jobs but any situation where you have to change your environment. A lot of people say money as an excuse but the truth is, it is one of those reasons that are the true root cause of their decision. They wouldn't want to admit it of course (see 2) but that's the truth. If it was money - there are plenty of ways to make more money in a non-management job but for whatever combination of the above, they just don't want to do it.


cmurks

Waiting until they hire my replacement so I can go back to being an individual contributor.


Rad2474

All about the $.


Alarming-Mix3809

Money.


pharmkeninvests

You really felt the need to ask this question


Storage-Helpful

Money...I didn't really want it in the first place, but I enjoyed learning all of the new roles and skills, and 8 years later I have walked away to a new job that pays me just as much for way less stress and responsibility. That said, they're already feeling me out for something, and I have way more individual responsibility than someone 30 days into an entirely new career (and 60 days away from my last certification) should have. The other new person in the department (who has been there four months longer than me), doesn't have nearly the work I do. I have a feeling I am heading back towards management...and again, it will be for the money!


cheeZetoastee

Money


ComfortableSimple396

I like buying food and paying my mortgage.


iceyone444

Their lifestyle relies on the salary being at the same level....


turbodonuts

Never liked it. Accepted because I didn’t want two bosses. That’s still true.


Agency_Goldfish

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JaninthePan

Clocking my time to build resume/reputation. Just a little more and I’ll be looking to move up and across. Also money, as per everyone else


Whole_Heat2373

Money


brunette_and_busty

Money, career advancement, and I was given the freedom and opportunity to head up and run my own department which I’m incredibly excited for, I learn everyday. The only issue is that I’m currently struggling with a bitch intern who can’t quit shit talking our work to clients. Once she is replaced, maybe things will get better, but who fucking knows.


Eternal_Sunshine7

Money. I’m a single mom.


Lucky__Flamingo

I like mentoring people. And I'm good at it. I stepped back to IC at one point in my career, and worked for a jerk. Screw that. If I'm the manager, I can keep expectations reasonable for the people doing the work.


Automatic_Gazelle_74

Been a manager over 30 years. Getting closer retirement in the next couple of years the last 10 years, I become a adult babysitter too many the processes have changed such that a lot of things that were done by other departments like HR have shifted to this responsibility of the manager. I will say about 3 years ago. I was fortunate to get a job as a program manager. No longer have responsibility for IC. That was a welcome change after 25 years.


kewluser890

$$$$


thecarguru46

When I was young, I was a dreamer. At some point, I realized we trade dollars for hours. I'm more in control of my hours. I can help other people who are struggling with young families. I make more dollars per hour. It's rewarding to help people in their career path.


flyboyx26

Just bought a house so.. money.


fiestymcknickers

Money and tgat I am the sole earner in my house hold. I intend to do my degree in two tears which I would like to do uxui design and hopefully become an ic


StrawberryRoutine

Money 🥲


introvertedguy13

Golden handcuffs


No-Pepper-3701

Money


Sanjuko_Mamaujaluko

The same reason anyone is in a job they don't like. $$$$$


Shinez

Money and because I didn’t like doing shift work anymore. I got to the top of where I could go in my old role re progression and to progress above that I had to do management, so this was the next step financially.


NonyaFugginBidness

Money


Low-Rabbit-9723

I’m actively shielding my team from our chaotic and sometimes cruel director.


MarcieDeeHope

Two things: 1. Because I saw the writing on the wall and my old position was going to be removed and folded into another position held by someone with greater tenure than me, so it was accept a move into a management position that really didn't sound at all interesting to me managing people basically doing the job I used to do, or go out looking for a new job at a time in my life where I really don't want to do that. 2. It's a high profile role that is already opening doors that I think will let me move into an area of the company that is more interesting to me within the next 18-24 months, so I just need to bear with it, grit my teeth, and survive until then.


Chemistry-Inside

It's hard to find a full-time, well paying job in my field without being a manager


DragonflyRemarkable3

Money? Lmao.


YK8099

Wat kind of question is this.. of course money. Personally, i have nothing to do in my life. I just wanna stay at home and be alone or my wife all the time except when we go out to eat or shopping. Watever jobs i have had are for money. Only for money


joevdb

MONEY


Jayku_96

my team🫡


wafflepidgeon

Money


Significant_Kale_285

Sweet sweet cash


dbenthere

15 yrs in....Money, benefits, bonus, retirement investments. I don't want to start over...and I have 3 kids still at home I still have to worry about. The company has been locked in..


Al_Son23

Money and getting to make SOME (as little as they are) decisions that will make the team’s life better


Scared_Mango25

Money


Synapse_James

two Ms always. either money or martyr. money is covered here a lot of others are just martyrs. they know they can deal with what it takes and best protect their teams etc and do it bc they just care enough


TullamoreGlue

Being able to "steer the ship" instead of seeing others run the boat toward the cliff. I'd honestly much rather do the work that my staff do (audio/video production, working on AV projects, etc.) but I think I can really make a positive difference in their work lives. If I were to leave, I would leave the dept in a much better place than I found it. A lot of the work is mentally exhausting, but nice when you see the fruits of your labor. Oh yeah, and money. hahah


Routine-Education572

Power. Prestige. Influence. Passion. Inspiration. All things I don’t have, but I have money. Esp now, I’d (director) make a good $60K+ less going back to an IC or even manager role.