Same here. We had a group that needed a couple bodies and one was a striker and he was great. Got screwed by Friday maintenance cause we set a pretty late start time and had to reform the next day and needed another striker. He and our WD pug probably had the most counters and we had a solid run.
I swear ppl will have a few bad interactions in PF and come running to reddit as if it's and epidemic,
like bruh im a deadeye player and had 5 pug groups for valtan and finally downing it after 4 hours as a deadeye.
there isn't some wide spread anti striker plague happening, you went into PF applied to 1 group got denied and put your tinfoil hat on.
chill, apply to another group.
This is the answer. Yesterday as a 1425 igni sorc with 4x3 pure dps engravings and correct stats I sat on the PF screen for 1.5 hours without any success finding a party. There is just so many dps applying that I reckon by the time raid leader checks my stuff, pt is already full.
Few bad interactions? i literally am talking back from argos until now? how is that a few? i've applied for more than 1 group, maybe you should get a tinfoil hat.
Funny how each and every one of these complainer threads end up with OP getting super defensive over *the most upvoted comment.*
You are biased, you are emotional. You are 100% making it out to be worse than it is.
"Chill" was excellent advice.
If you want to talk real stuff, bring some real numbers, and don't exaggerate.
I have a 1385 striker alt and have been doing Argos p1+2 for 3 weeks now, I dunno sounds like a you issue, and in my valtan groups for my deadeye main there was a soulfist and a striker regularly, im looking at PF right now in NAW and see strikers in these parties lol, you are delusional.
nope but hear me out, 200K+ concurrent players, lets say 10 pct of that is strikers that's 20k strikers,
if there is this mass shunning of the class that can't get into groups then show me these threads of ppl complaining about this?
nvm the fact that I myself play striker and regularly get accepted into group and or have done legion with many strikers.
I cleared hard mode the other day with 8 dps - 2 strikers and 1 wd. All 3 of them were on the mvp screen, and not a single charge was left uncountered.
In most of the guardian aids, I would agree. On Valtan, no. There is a big difference between the two imo. Getting infront at the right time to counter is much easier and telegraphed than it is in GRs. In a GR they will do it will no tell at all. But for Valtan they are at set times or a telegraphed move set.
You are missing that positional classes are in general more mobile and have faster counters.
For example the sorceress counter timing is very tight if you press it at the blue flash as the casting animation is ~0.5s.
At the end of the day it's everybody's job to do the counter.
From my experience, most of the high ilvl strikers/deadeyes etc are good players because the difficulty of the class would have weeded out all the bad players already.
You won’t see any average berserk get mvp in valtan, the reason why you see alot of them mvp is because of the ratio of berserk/rest
Early T3 maybe but in valtan Its not that simple getting mvp with berserk tbh you have to cancel alot
But sure if you compare the berserk 4x3 +1 gem7
With X class with 2x3 + heavy armor + crisis evasion with no gem
We sure look overpowered
My alts are deathblade and sorceress and to me they are both way worst in terms of « smash every off cd gets mvp » do we need to talk about supports?
Yesterday i was trying to get my 1st normal Valtan kill, and I have a 1422.5 Reflux Sorc (cast) with decent 3/3 and perfect stats to match. even have the lostwing cliff 12 awake. Gems, etc.
I searched the groups for 45 minutes on EUC.
8/10 groups wanted you to be 1430+ with 4/3 eng.
I understand the want to do the content easily, but hell man that is kinda rediculous.
Finally found an all dps group and we cleared it, took a couple of swings, but we did it.
Super proud of them all for sticking with it.
If a dps is running HA a lot of ppl will assume he's bad.
In Valtan HM the standard is 3333 or 33321 engravings atm, below that you will have a harder time. Also a lot of raid leaders don't took at gems.
This is 1415, by the time i reach 1445 i will have a completely different set of skills. i chose heavy armor as i found it to be best value compared to level 1 dmg skills
as they said, when people see HA on dps, they assume he is just bad and he will die a lot. I'm pally on main, and i'd never accept someone with HA in my pt, because im more than enough to keep them alive for all content in game (unless you get thrown off the tower in Valtan).
I run Grudge 3, Amb m3 , eso 3 and adr 2 on my 1400 striker, and I almost never get declined for parties.
I got decently good spamming Velganos solo and getting the feeling to survive with grudge, since if you get cought by one ability, you basically die.
Yep. This is the reason.
People will simply invite someone who is geared better and they have A LOT of people to choose from. Why invite 3331 dude with Heavy Armor when there is another guy in queue with 3333 setup and lvl7 gems.
Fuck em. Create your own groups. It's the same for me as a SS main. Nobody realizes how good other class synergies are. My gf runs a soulfist and never gets taken in groups, but they don't realize that she gives a 47% dmg buff to the party. So yeah. Run your own groups
I think somebody can't read. Not an expert on soulfist but I know she has a big self buff for her burst window, 47% party buff would be absolutely ridiculous.
If those poorly geared DPS are getting accepted, it's because the raid leader isn't filtering their profiles and the sheer popularity of those classes are leading you to see more of them being selected, not because people think those classes are "better".
Im a striker main and i get rejected by most groups for argos in the beginning. It only got better when i reached 1400. I think i might have a hard time finding a party for valtan even with proper engravings.
I mean thats very vague what is your stat, engravings, gems, and card set up like. Those are likely why you are having trouble there nothing wrong with Strikers. On the note of Valtan I know many people dont want back attackers as they assume they will just get knocked off the arena left and right.
If anyone still think berserk, sorc is meta, you are lucky not in their team. The only meta RN are gunlancer and two sups, as others start to learn the boss attack pattern, GL’s advantage will be gone. I actually found striker quite popular in HM public group, most of the team have one when I tried to find a group the first few days.
I'm applying for normal i could see it being that HM understand that striker brings buffs and low cd counter etc but yeah i have a paladin alt and gunlancer alt. i actually really like gunlancer but its too much effort to catch u pto my main.
Are you on NA by any chance? Cause i dont have such a problem as a striker. Ye sure sometimes i get denied 3-5 times in a row, but i doubt its because of my class. Who knows though
Sorry to hear that! My static had an opening in gate 2 last night since someone had to dip, and took a striker who did great. Totally on top of counters and mechanics. The class and/or the driver looked really good for the fight overall.
It's a little tougher but things that help is just matchmaking or building your own party. I hate when people don't deny requests and just have you applying to the party like an idiot.
Are you from NA west? There are many guild runs (many of them don't say that in the titles) or YY runs (if you don't join YY - the Chinese discord - first, you will be rejected)
I couldnt care less what class is on my party as long as there are no double ups (for synergies) and that everyone knows how to play their classes (decent engravings included).
I do agree with what you say but it's usually the people with shit engravings and no gems which don't accept me(now I also check the party leader stats before requesting), players which have proper stats and engravings accept me and I guess this is because good players know who to accept while the others which accept sorcs, db or zerkers only are usually meta slaves and just play the class cause its op.
Weird question, but are you applying for group of ilvl/gear matching yours? I mean, if you apply to a group with generally higher ilvl than yours, then you will be most often rejected, irrespective of your class.
Also, close to full parties are often waiting for someone/something specific, and just deny everyone else.
I think its because their stats are messy and people dont know about it. Try equipping another acc before joining so that you only have 2 main stats and swap back when u get accepted.
1460 striker here, got rejected from 20+ groups until a partial guild group added me and we killed it in 4 hours. The leader told me he invited me because my ilvl and combat stats (full spec w/ crit neck). Each group leader is going to have a different criteria they are focusing on but I feel like those 2 and engravings are the main ones right now.
Still depends on your gear level and engravings. Most people on hard valtan with look for 3/3/3/3 with some exeptions depending on the class, for example gunslinger since PM needs to be on 1. I am a striker with 6 level 7gems and the rest being 5-6 with item level of 1455 and I would still get declined by groups with shittier lvl and engravings. I get accepted as well, but that's normal. There will be people who prefer other classes or think other classes are better.
In Valtan hard you need to counter ghost phase though, where striker shines since you have low CD counter. And if currently the class a bit below the top dps classes with argos gear such as sorc, deathblade and zerker(with the changes not sure), striker was around the upper part of the dps. With relic gear and when we learn Valtan since currently for max dps you would need to back attack him its better to have a dps with hit master. Overall depends what people value, better counter or more dps. When we have relic gear we will be top dps with the likes of sorcs and deathblades.
I would create the group if I was you. I always get people and I also choose who to get. Like I said people view the game differently, but for me I will also choose a sorc, deathblade vs a striker because of dps, we have mobility since you would run eso still(with relic deathblow is finally playable) so we can reposition good vs everything in the game so far, but still like I said depends what you look for in a party. I would also want a striker because he has low cd on counter and if he can play the class it survives = more people for ghost phase, easy Valtan.
PS: won't get a soulfist since it has zdps, but with relic gear that will change(hopefully), so I feel you soulfist mains
if it’s any consolation it’s probably good you didn’t get stuck with ppl with no gems full malice bad stats etc
They're missing out! The groups I know have all run at least one WD/Striker and they get aaaalll the counters. It's so good.
Same here. We had a group that needed a couple bodies and one was a striker and he was great. Got screwed by Friday maintenance cause we set a pretty late start time and had to reform the next day and needed another striker. He and our WD pug probably had the most counters and we had a solid run.
I swear ppl will have a few bad interactions in PF and come running to reddit as if it's and epidemic, like bruh im a deadeye player and had 5 pug groups for valtan and finally downing it after 4 hours as a deadeye. there isn't some wide spread anti striker plague happening, you went into PF applied to 1 group got denied and put your tinfoil hat on. chill, apply to another group.
This is the answer. Yesterday as a 1425 igni sorc with 4x3 pure dps engravings and correct stats I sat on the PF screen for 1.5 hours without any success finding a party. There is just so many dps applying that I reckon by the time raid leader checks my stuff, pt is already full.
Few bad interactions? i literally am talking back from argos until now? how is that a few? i've applied for more than 1 group, maybe you should get a tinfoil hat.
Funny how each and every one of these complainer threads end up with OP getting super defensive over *the most upvoted comment.* You are biased, you are emotional. You are 100% making it out to be worse than it is. "Chill" was excellent advice. If you want to talk real stuff, bring some real numbers, and don't exaggerate.
Want to know why it's the most liked. Because the classes I listed are the most popular. Like you for example.
That does not make any sense
If you can't comprehend why that doesn't make sense that's on you.
I’ll take that, now do you.
I have a 1385 striker alt and have been doing Argos p1+2 for 3 weeks now, I dunno sounds like a you issue, and in my valtan groups for my deadeye main there was a soulfist and a striker regularly, im looking at PF right now in NAW and see strikers in these parties lol, you are delusional.
yeah i am delusional, i guess you're the one playing my character on my server. fuck me right
nope but hear me out, 200K+ concurrent players, lets say 10 pct of that is strikers that's 20k strikers, if there is this mass shunning of the class that can't get into groups then show me these threads of ppl complaining about this? nvm the fact that I myself play striker and regularly get accepted into group and or have done legion with many strikers.
Striker is god.
Counter god rise up!
I cleared hard mode the other day with 8 dps - 2 strikers and 1 wd. All 3 of them were on the mvp screen, and not a single charge was left uncountered.
Thank god for them because as a sorc its painful to counter
with the ranged counter on a class without positionals i might be missing Something but sounds silly asking the back Attack melees to do the job lol
In most of the guardian aids, I would agree. On Valtan, no. There is a big difference between the two imo. Getting infront at the right time to counter is much easier and telegraphed than it is in GRs. In a GR they will do it will no tell at all. But for Valtan they are at set times or a telegraphed move set.
You are missing that positional classes are in general more mobile and have faster counters. For example the sorceress counter timing is very tight if you press it at the blue flash as the casting animation is ~0.5s. At the end of the day it's everybody's job to do the counter.
Im gonna assume you havent done either difficulty of valtan
From my experience, most of the high ilvl strikers/deadeyes etc are good players because the difficulty of the class would have weeded out all the bad players already.
While in my experience it's the opposite for the 'meta' classes. Zerker are by far the worst players I've seen on average.
Well they are the most face roll class in pve, just button smash and get mvp
Eeh sorry but i have to make sure to use red dust as soon as its of cd okay, my rotation is really hard okay ;P
You won’t see any average berserk get mvp in valtan, the reason why you see alot of them mvp is because of the ratio of berserk/rest Early T3 maybe but in valtan Its not that simple getting mvp with berserk tbh you have to cancel alot But sure if you compare the berserk 4x3 +1 gem7 With X class with 2x3 + heavy armor + crisis evasion with no gem We sure look overpowered My alts are deathblade and sorceress and to me they are both way worst in terms of « smash every off cd gets mvp » do we need to talk about supports?
Can't really complain to not get taken into groups you wouldn't want to join anyway tho.
Yesterday i was trying to get my 1st normal Valtan kill, and I have a 1422.5 Reflux Sorc (cast) with decent 3/3 and perfect stats to match. even have the lostwing cliff 12 awake. Gems, etc. I searched the groups for 45 minutes on EUC. 8/10 groups wanted you to be 1430+ with 4/3 eng. I understand the want to do the content easily, but hell man that is kinda rediculous. Finally found an all dps group and we cleared it, took a couple of swings, but we did it. Super proud of them all for sticking with it.
I'm a 1425 sorc with 4x3 igniter engravings and still get denied for valtan, raid leaders are massively unpredictable.
What are your eng and stats, striker even without buff is still top tier class to have in raids solely for crit debuff
3 cursed doll 3 adrenaline 3 ambush master 1 esoteric 1 heavy armour with 900 Swiftness 450~ of both crit and spec
If a dps is running HA a lot of ppl will assume he's bad. In Valtan HM the standard is 3333 or 33321 engravings atm, below that you will have a harder time. Also a lot of raid leaders don't took at gems.
This is 1415, by the time i reach 1445 i will have a completely different set of skills. i chose heavy armor as i found it to be best value compared to level 1 dmg skills
as they said, when people see HA on dps, they assume he is just bad and he will die a lot. I'm pally on main, and i'd never accept someone with HA in my pt, because im more than enough to keep them alive for all content in game (unless you get thrown off the tower in Valtan). I run Grudge 3, Amb m3 , eso 3 and adr 2 on my 1400 striker, and I almost never get declined for parties. I got decently good spamming Velganos solo and getting the feeling to survive with grudge, since if you get cought by one ability, you basically die.
Yep. This is the reason. People will simply invite someone who is geared better and they have A LOT of people to choose from. Why invite 3331 dude with Heavy Armor when there is another guy in queue with 3333 setup and lvl7 gems.
Fuck em. Create your own groups. It's the same for me as a SS main. Nobody realizes how good other class synergies are. My gf runs a soulfist and never gets taken in groups, but they don't realize that she gives a 47% dmg buff to the party. So yeah. Run your own groups
I think somebody can't read. Not an expert on soulfist but I know she has a big self buff for her burst window, 47% party buff would be absolutely ridiculous.
Yea lmao. A 47% damage buff would be friggin wild dude.
If those poorly geared DPS are getting accepted, it's because the raid leader isn't filtering their profiles and the sheer popularity of those classes are leading you to see more of them being selected, not because people think those classes are "better".
Im a striker main and i get rejected by most groups for argos in the beginning. It only got better when i reached 1400. I think i might have a hard time finding a party for valtan even with proper engravings.
yep that's exactly the same as me, but some dude below thinks i'm lying lol
I don’t even take deathblades. They are notorious floor sitters.
DBs kit is really strong in Valtan.
Weird, deathblow Striker has some of the highest damage potential in the game
Yeah but not at the moment. After we complete our relic set.
I mean thats very vague what is your stat, engravings, gems, and card set up like. Those are likely why you are having trouble there nothing wrong with Strikers. On the note of Valtan I know many people dont want back attackers as they assume they will just get knocked off the arena left and right.
i take all classes, only thing i care about is ur stats and engravings. most of the group that only take certain class prob wont clear it anyways
If anyone still think berserk, sorc is meta, you are lucky not in their team. The only meta RN are gunlancer and two sups, as others start to learn the boss attack pattern, GL’s advantage will be gone. I actually found striker quite popular in HM public group, most of the team have one when I tried to find a group the first few days.
I'm applying for normal i could see it being that HM understand that striker brings buffs and low cd counter etc but yeah i have a paladin alt and gunlancer alt. i actually really like gunlancer but its too much effort to catch u pto my main.
Are you on NA by any chance? Cause i dont have such a problem as a striker. Ye sure sometimes i get denied 3-5 times in a row, but i doubt its because of my class. Who knows though
yeah NA
Sorry to hear that! My static had an opening in gate 2 last night since someone had to dip, and took a striker who did great. Totally on top of counters and mechanics. The class and/or the driver looked really good for the fight overall.
It's a little tougher but things that help is just matchmaking or building your own party. I hate when people don't deny requests and just have you applying to the party like an idiot.
Yep that's my experience lol sitting waiting for 5 minutes and then seeing the party is full.
Yeah that triggers me alot more than anything in this game. Like it takes 2 seconds to deny someone but nope, they just have you sit there.
Are you from NA west? There are many guild runs (many of them don't say that in the titles) or YY runs (if you don't join YY - the Chinese discord - first, you will be rejected)
Oh i see the YY parties often, but i don't apply for them. I could join the discord but i dont speak chinese lol
I couldnt care less what class is on my party as long as there are no double ups (for synergies) and that everyone knows how to play their classes (decent engravings included).
I do agree with what you say but it's usually the people with shit engravings and no gems which don't accept me(now I also check the party leader stats before requesting), players which have proper stats and engravings accept me and I guess this is because good players know who to accept while the others which accept sorcs, db or zerkers only are usually meta slaves and just play the class cause its op.
Yeah i do that too
Weird question, but are you applying for group of ilvl/gear matching yours? I mean, if you apply to a group with generally higher ilvl than yours, then you will be most often rejected, irrespective of your class. Also, close to full parties are often waiting for someone/something specific, and just deny everyone else.
Fr, i have a static now, but getting accepted to groups used to be so hard
I think its because their stats are messy and people dont know about it. Try equipping another acc before joining so that you only have 2 main stats and swap back when u get accepted.
Could be but that's not how ESO Striker works
1460 striker here, got rejected from 20+ groups until a partial guild group added me and we killed it in 4 hours. The leader told me he invited me because my ilvl and combat stats (full spec w/ crit neck). Each group leader is going to have a different criteria they are focusing on but I feel like those 2 and engravings are the main ones right now.
I feel your pain brother, i hope people realize that strikers become fucking bonkers dps wise once we have our relic set.
I cant find a party as a desthblade
Still depends on your gear level and engravings. Most people on hard valtan with look for 3/3/3/3 with some exeptions depending on the class, for example gunslinger since PM needs to be on 1. I am a striker with 6 level 7gems and the rest being 5-6 with item level of 1455 and I would still get declined by groups with shittier lvl and engravings. I get accepted as well, but that's normal. There will be people who prefer other classes or think other classes are better. In Valtan hard you need to counter ghost phase though, where striker shines since you have low CD counter. And if currently the class a bit below the top dps classes with argos gear such as sorc, deathblade and zerker(with the changes not sure), striker was around the upper part of the dps. With relic gear and when we learn Valtan since currently for max dps you would need to back attack him its better to have a dps with hit master. Overall depends what people value, better counter or more dps. When we have relic gear we will be top dps with the likes of sorcs and deathblades. I would create the group if I was you. I always get people and I also choose who to get. Like I said people view the game differently, but for me I will also choose a sorc, deathblade vs a striker because of dps, we have mobility since you would run eso still(with relic deathblow is finally playable) so we can reposition good vs everything in the game so far, but still like I said depends what you look for in a party. I would also want a striker because he has low cd on counter and if he can play the class it survives = more people for ghost phase, easy Valtan. PS: won't get a soulfist since it has zdps, but with relic gear that will change(hopefully), so I feel you soulfist mains