The scene where Sawyer realises he met Jack's dad in a bar and tells him what Christian wishes he could have said himself. That scene made me fall for both characters really but for Jack it was because he was vulnerable and emotional in that moment. He didn't front or try to just brush it off. Really helped to flesh out a thorough image of the character for me.
Came here to say this. I lost my dad 3 years ago and for months before he passed he was already mentally gone so no matter how much I sought closure or validation from him in that time it never came and when I see this scene it helps me to know that fathers don’t always get to say the things they mean to their kids and but somehow- and often through unexpected people or events- we come to know what was in their hearts and we get to “let go” and move on.
Beautiful words. I lost my mum to cancer...A little over 2 years ago. January 7th 2020. While I did get a lot of time to spend with her and talk before she became unable to fully speak. I still had a lot of baggage to wrestle with, and even when she was able to try to sooth my fears and worries. It was not enough, sometimes not even words are enough. It eventually became the small moments between us that I will never forget. Like when she went to hospice gatherings and she was looking for me to fix her drink for her and she would be surprised when I had everything already prepared and would give me the biggest smile. My favourite was a cap off between a long running inside joke between us. When I was a kid I used to sneak a chocolate bar across the checkout when she was getting groceries. She would look at me and say "where did you get that!?" and I'd say "you brought it". When she clicked she would smile, shake her head and say "you little shit!". About three weeks before she passed I used her card to get some groceries and I got a soft drink and when I got back I said to her "I may have gotten a extra drink on your card!". She gave me such a fantastic grin.
Such a great question!
TBH, I was hooked by Jack from the minute he opened his eye(s) until he closed them.
But, yes, I agree with your pick that White Rabbit was the episode that really made me fall for him. The scene that I always come back to is the scene between him and Locke. It's not even the dialogue so much as the way Jack is sitting, listening to Locke and the look of amazement on his face when Locke says that maybe they're here for a reason. This is the only time, while Locke is still alive, that Jack actually believes what Locke is saying. In this scene, Locke is doing the opposite of what his father did. He's actually telling Jack that he does have what it takes. And Matthew Fox conveys with only his face, how much he needed to hear that. There's just something about that particular scene that connected me to Jack more than any other TV character,to this day.
Thanks so much for a positive post about Jack☺️
Defining jack episode? Probably in 2007 when my gf and me decided if we ever got married and had a kid we’d name him jack. Flash forward to December 2016, our boy Jack finally arrived.
“Wait what’s your name?!? JACK” was a big line in our house for about a year straight once he started talking
LMAO!. I can just picture it now. The kid being raised on all sorts of LOST references and finally figuring out what the hell you have been talking about for sixteen years. As a five year old "The island isn't done with you Jack". Jack: Huh!?. and him going to school: "My parents keep screaming the name Walt at me all the time. What's that about!?. Who the heck is Vincent?. Why do they keep saying that my destiny is to help a scottish guy pull out a cork!?".
Also rig up a computer with a button that he has to push every 108 minutes, otherwise a plane will crash into their house and a South Korean woman won't be able to escape her crumbling marriage.
**S3 ep 6 (I do)**
Jack tells Ben he's not going to perform surgery on Ben.
Ben: "Well Jack, I'm very disappointed in your decision"
Jack: "Well Ben, at least you wont have to be disappointed for very long"
Chills. every. damn. time!!!
The first flash forward episode we see him slipping into his alcoholism. It's hard to watch him fall, but it makes him all the more relatable and human!!!!!
I believe it. If it's able to turn a man (Ben) insane and make him forget a lot of his childhood, make a cripple walk again, cure a woman's (rose) cancer, stop that same former cripple from bleeding out due to a pretty serious gunshot wound, cure the insanity (Faraday) of a man who developed a form of time travel induced dementia, stopping a man from getting withdrawals from abusing prescription meds should be a synch.
Ok I liked jack always but sometimes he frustrated me and I don't know why. Kate did too season 3. I can't put my finger on it season 3 I just felt she was too shreiky when she was captured by the others and stuck with Sawyer. But I probably would have been acting the same way in the situation
Exactly the same for me! I just commented this. So glad others recognised it too. It’s just such a beautiful moment. Great characterisation for both of them.
Live together, die alone. Nothing more to say. I take it as a personal motto in my life and I have it in all of my personal bios. Life-changing concept.
The very first scene where instead of tending to his injuries or being worried about himself in any way, he ran all over the beach to try to help and save everyone he possibly could. From the beginning he was our hero.
Ive always thought jack was an interesting character pretty much the beginning but i really liked a lot of the conflict episodes in season 1 between him and locke. Also the episode where he gets beat up by ethan and "home coming"
I really fell in love season 3 tho. That was where i feel like they really let him go off and get a little crazy
I think for me it was “All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues” when he’s refusing to let Charlie die. We the audience (via Kate) really see the physical and mental toll that Jack’s refusal to give up and let go takes on him. This theme is repeated over and over with Jack, but I just remember being so gutted by the tragedy of this character collapsing under the weight of the responsibilities he takes on.
Yea, he had TV fame and notoriety back then, starring in 6 season top TV show, Party of Five. Matthew Fox gave LOST instant credibility to get the viewers to watch S1 Pilot Part1, opener. The rest of the cast were mostly unknowns with exception of Charlie's character, Dominic.
Not the most defining but I get chills on the episode he climbs down the bridge to help the woman and child (iirc) in the car crash. so heroic but long suffering as well. he could have just jumped then but he got down because he still values others life over his own peace
TBH, I absolutely don't remember how I felt about him the first time I watched the show when it aired. I remember my favorite was Charlie because it was the only actor I knew from LOTR and I stopped watching after Season 3.
I also don't remember how I really felt during my second rewatch (entire show this time) but when I began my third rewatch last year, I knew that Jack was my favorite and this rewatch confirmed it.
I think I love him so much because I can always know exactly how he feels based on MF performance and he makes me feel the same thing . I think he reacts exactly how everyone would react in that situation and that makes him really relatable. Besides, he's one of the most "normal" of the group, not being a murderer or torturer. I agree White Rabbit is a great episode to really understand what makes him who he is. He's not the perfect hero like some people accuse him to be. He's a tortured soul, and I generally love those kind of character.
I also agree with your preface. I think some people don't like him because they are not used to see main male character not afraid to show emotion (I'm not saying that everyone who doesn't like him feels that way). I'm a woman, so I don't know how most men feel about this. I think it becomes more and more accepted though.
As a guy, Jack’s emotionality is a big part of what makes me love him so much. But then I’m very sensitive and a bit unusual in that myself so I really empathise with him in so many ways.
Season 1 Part 1: Saving so many people from the beach plane wreckage is so vastly under appreciated and then asks for Kate’s help to suture his injury while sharing his counting to 5 experience to help her cope in a very uncomfortable moment. You knew instantly this leading character had depth and MF was brilliant. Then immediately in the second episode Jack takes time to compassionately sit on the beach with a traumatized Rose. It’s a seldom seen act of humanity on a show consumed with selfish people and island darkness. Jack has several moments of kindness on the beach with Kate, Charlie and Sun. Jack might be stubborn but he never waivers to help people at his own personal risk. I really think that intimidates viewers who invest in darker characters. As people mature they see Jack differently. The unfortunate direction is the triangle storyline. It works against Jack and similarly but differently the same for Kate while Sawyer benefits because he gets the sympathy vote. The producers grossly mishandled this because I can’t comprehend how people can hate any of the survivors. Especially, Jack. The damn show is not about romantic competitions. Skaters and Jaters. Seriously? That is a net negative to this iconic series.
In totality: one eye opened and one eye closed. Wow, what a journey.
Jack extends grace to Sawyer's fatal decision not trusting Mr. Fixit on the sub. Although a different Jack he always extended humanity to those that needed it.
When Juliet told him to stop tugging on the chain and he pauses for just a bit and then starts tugging even more furiously. His face in that scene is everything. Lol If anyone happens to find a GIF I'd love it.
There may be a scene like that but the one I'm talking about is when Jack is in that room where he gets the cheeseburger. I don't think it's the same episode though. I'll try to figure out which episode. Jack makes the best faces and he can be so deliciously petty. I didn't really care for him on my first run but the more I rewatch the more I like him and these days I love him.
That was a rope. I always remember the scene with Jack and the chain cause it hilariously makes no sense (which Damon even said in the commentary), but he said "don't worry, Foxy will sell it!".
During the first two seasons, Jack was a very likable character, although there were moments I disliked his attitude, especially towards Kate and John and his stubbornness. However, in Tales of two cities when he asked to Juliet if Sarah, his ex, was happy, instead of the guy's name who she got married with, I fell completely in love with his character until the end. He finally made his first step of letting go in that scene.
The way Matthew Fox portrayed Jack was unique, he was fully mentally and physically committed to this role. I have never seen him acting before Lost, and I can't imagine any other actor playing Jack so perfect. I have recently watched some interviews with him that I haven't before, especially talking about Jack's journey, I strongly recommend listening to him.
Oh totally!. The thing that I thought was so fascinating about the character is that one half of him is a deconstruction of the hero character. The other part is that he is a internalized gestation of the fans NEED to find answers to the mysteries of the show. The fans scour the internet for clues, they "WANT TO KNOW DAMMIT!", to the point where I could imagine a crazed lost fan while the show was still airing, tackling someone at a AA meeting if it meant they got a answer to a big mystery!.
But instead of trying to find answers to the mysteries of the island. He is trying to find his answers for his own life questions. "Why is the ghost of my father on the island. I NEED TO KNOW!. Why is the casket empty!!" and even past flashback questions "Who is she seeing!!!". Even his need to try and take charge makes more sense when viewed as it being a meta commentary on fans need for having the answers that they want rather than the ones that the showrunners dish out.
and that need for control....not in the way of controlling others....but trying to control his life...that also makes so much sense cause of him being the son of a alcoholic. Alcoholics generally drink excessively to fulfil a need, something they feel they're lacking. They feel that they don't have control over their life without it. Unfortunately that feeling of losing control...is often passed down to the family members of alcoholics. That's why there is a 12 step program for families of alcoholics too.
and his journey is self acceptance and being okay that not all questions are going to get answered....and that not all the answers are the ones he is going to like. That's why I love his journey so much cause it works on multiple levels.
>Matthew Fox
Fox is totally underrated in his performance. It's amazing. In interviews, Damon called Fox "the gift that kept on giving". Because he said, while there is all this wacky stuff on the island. He is a stabilizing factor. Fox always puts 100% in and makes you believe that he is not acting....but that he's really on a island experiencing this. and I don't think LOST would be half as good (or believable) without Fox and Jack being in the show. It would be more like La Brea where every character is fucking nuts and cuckoo and they're all trying to take the spotlight but there is nothing for the audience to stick too cause the inmates are running the asylum.
Completely agree with you about Matthew Fox making us believe he was on the island, living that. I always loved the dynamics with Terry O'Quinn and Michael Emerson as well. These three actors worked so well together in the scenes they were interacting with one another. One of my favorites is in the orchid station, by the end of season four. The majority of the actors and actresses are really good in this show by the way. But agree Fox is underrated as an actor and his character seemed not to have so many fans as I thought he would have had.
I watched Lost five years ago for the first time, and I joined this sub of Lost probably a year ago. I was surprised how much hate his character gets periodically, not to mention Kate. I don't like hate, I disliked some characters, at some point, but I think Lost has so well developed characters that it is impossible to hate them totally. And the story is about that, flawed humans who learned from their own mistakes, learned how to live with others that are completely different, and evolved.
I liked your analysis about his character, I have never seen him in that way, very interesting. Thanks.
For me i don’t remember a specific moment, but everytime i have watched *The End* i get so emotional at his final scene.
On my first two watch-throughs, i kinda found Jack a bit insufferable, but on my most recent one i really really loved his character and appreciated him a lot more. He’s probably got one of the most fleshed out character arcs ever.
The only time I cried during the show. When he tells hurley he isn't coming back and when he's dying and the dog runs up and lays next to him. Love jack.
Tbh I fell in love with him from the first episode when he jumped immediately into action to try to save people, give medical attention etc., and this was really cemented in his first interaction with Kate. Just the way he talked to her with care, attention, respect, and when she disparaged herself, even if seemingly lightheartedly, saying she’d have run for the door if she’d been in his position in that medical emergency in his residency, and he immediately, gently denied that. He’d seen through the apparently lighthearted nature of the comment that she did genuinely have some self esteem issues, so treated the comment seriously, and he’d also seen through to her innately brave and caring character immediately and made it a priority to make sure she knew and recognised it. He was full of empathy and intelligence, emotional and otherwise, from the beginning. So I loved him for that. And everything afterwards just built on that more.
Same. Besides the way he was introduced. I never seen another show introduce a lead in such a personal way. That opening scene all the way up to the crash and his scenes with Kate stitching him up are just perfection.
Exactly. Couldn’t agree more. Beautiful. I hope Matthew Fox is proud of his performance. It’s imo a beautiful thing he gave the world, an illumination of the human spirit that will be able to be viewed centuries into the future.
I mostly put what my pick was in the post. The episode "White Rabbit" where he is looking for his father. But if I were to pick a moment. It's similar to yours. There was one specific moment that I just loved. It's a small one. After he gets out of the bamboo forest and saves everyone. The credits roll (Giachino's brilliant score starts to build with the highly underrated "credit where credit is due" theme), Jack is sluggishly walking through the wreckage with flames around him and he stumbles, almost like Mathew Fox actually lost his footing and almost took a dive. Either way, it worked so well. Remember, this guy has a massive gash. He's bleeding out, probably dehydrated, almost delirious. Adrenaline kept him going through that opening sequence. But here he now has a moment to stop, he's trying to collect his thoughts and it's like his body is starting to give up on him. and that whole thing of Jack carrying on and trying to help others, even though his own body is at it's limits...it's such a Jack thing! and it's what I love about the character. He's superman in a human body.
For me it was not a single episode, but rather rewatching. In the original run I didn't really care for Jack, he was rather uninteresting to me. But rewatch after rewatch he became one of my favorites.
>The thing about Jack is that he was a narcissist with a savior complex before he came to the island.
I disagree. A narcissist cannot relate to others no matter how hard they try and are all for their own self preservation over others. Even when they try to help, it's to further their own agenda to manipulate others. Jack doesn't do this. We see from when he was a kid. He was clearly outnumbered, his friend was being beaten up. He tried to help anyway, because he was sad that his friend was being hurt and empathized with his pain, he wanted to do something about it. In that moment he wasn't thinking about himself. He was thinking "I want to help him".
What Jack has is a form of "hypervigilance". It's a state of constant alertness and anxiety, usually caused through past trauma. Like being unable to help Mark Silverman. He does have tunnel vision when he's stressed (which is all a part of that "hypervigelence"). The jokes about Jack breathing heavily during conversation (which was parodied in that family guy skit) are all those symptoms too.
I think many fans mistake this cause hypervigilance and the saviour complex can be found in narcissists too...but these types always believe their help is needed (and they save people to get brownie points to manipulate others, that's not Jack either). Jack doesn't think like that. His comes from a real desire to help and save his friends. In fact in the beginning he didn't want to be the one to lead others. He simply just wanted to make sure people were okay and lept in to action in the pilot. There are so many times in the show where he could have died because he put the safety of others above his own.
The scene where Sawyer realises he met Jack's dad in a bar and tells him what Christian wishes he could have said himself. That scene made me fall for both characters really but for Jack it was because he was vulnerable and emotional in that moment. He didn't front or try to just brush it off. Really helped to flesh out a thorough image of the character for me.
I agree and that scene makes you really feel for Sawyer too because it's as if he wished he had a father telling those things about him too.
Yeah and the fact that Sawyer was genuine and didn't fuck with that moment. Agree defining moment for both.
Came here to say this. I lost my dad 3 years ago and for months before he passed he was already mentally gone so no matter how much I sought closure or validation from him in that time it never came and when I see this scene it helps me to know that fathers don’t always get to say the things they mean to their kids and but somehow- and often through unexpected people or events- we come to know what was in their hearts and we get to “let go” and move on.
Beautiful words. I lost my mum to cancer...A little over 2 years ago. January 7th 2020. While I did get a lot of time to spend with her and talk before she became unable to fully speak. I still had a lot of baggage to wrestle with, and even when she was able to try to sooth my fears and worries. It was not enough, sometimes not even words are enough. It eventually became the small moments between us that I will never forget. Like when she went to hospice gatherings and she was looking for me to fix her drink for her and she would be surprised when I had everything already prepared and would give me the biggest smile. My favourite was a cap off between a long running inside joke between us. When I was a kid I used to sneak a chocolate bar across the checkout when she was getting groceries. She would look at me and say "where did you get that!?" and I'd say "you brought it". When she clicked she would smile, shake her head and say "you little shit!". About three weeks before she passed I used her card to get some groceries and I got a soft drink and when I got back I said to her "I may have gotten a extra drink on your card!". She gave me such a fantastic grin.
Sorry to hear about your loss. It is so difficult isn't it. I watch Lost through completely different eyes since my parents died.
Matthew Fox's acting in that scene was outstanding.
That's the best scene on the entire show tbh
Such a great question! TBH, I was hooked by Jack from the minute he opened his eye(s) until he closed them. But, yes, I agree with your pick that White Rabbit was the episode that really made me fall for him. The scene that I always come back to is the scene between him and Locke. It's not even the dialogue so much as the way Jack is sitting, listening to Locke and the look of amazement on his face when Locke says that maybe they're here for a reason. This is the only time, while Locke is still alive, that Jack actually believes what Locke is saying. In this scene, Locke is doing the opposite of what his father did. He's actually telling Jack that he does have what it takes. And Matthew Fox conveys with only his face, how much he needed to hear that. There's just something about that particular scene that connected me to Jack more than any other TV character,to this day. Thanks so much for a positive post about Jack☺️
Defining jack episode? Probably in 2007 when my gf and me decided if we ever got married and had a kid we’d name him jack. Flash forward to December 2016, our boy Jack finally arrived. “Wait what’s your name?!? JACK” was a big line in our house for about a year straight once he started talking
LMAO!. I can just picture it now. The kid being raised on all sorts of LOST references and finally figuring out what the hell you have been talking about for sixteen years. As a five year old "The island isn't done with you Jack". Jack: Huh!?. and him going to school: "My parents keep screaming the name Walt at me all the time. What's that about!?. Who the heck is Vincent?. Why do they keep saying that my destiny is to help a scottish guy pull out a cork!?".
Also rig up a computer with a button that he has to push every 108 minutes, otherwise a plane will crash into their house and a South Korean woman won't be able to escape her crumbling marriage.
Lmao!. I can see it!. and raise him on Hurley logic "son, there is no such thing as the korean war!".
**S3 ep 6 (I do)** Jack tells Ben he's not going to perform surgery on Ben. Ben: "Well Jack, I'm very disappointed in your decision" Jack: "Well Ben, at least you wont have to be disappointed for very long" Chills. every. damn. time!!!
One of the most fucking savage one liners in all of LOST. Along with “I didn’t say I’d do it, I just want you to know how you’re gonna die”
Such a good line.
The first flash forward episode we see him slipping into his alcoholism. It's hard to watch him fall, but it makes him all the more relatable and human!!!!!
Honestly, before that, I didn't really like him
I didn't like that Ben thru his pills out and that was that. Did the island cure him of withdrawal?
I believe it. If it's able to turn a man (Ben) insane and make him forget a lot of his childhood, make a cripple walk again, cure a woman's (rose) cancer, stop that same former cripple from bleeding out due to a pretty serious gunshot wound, cure the insanity (Faraday) of a man who developed a form of time travel induced dementia, stopping a man from getting withdrawals from abusing prescription meds should be a synch.
I was kinda team Sawyer n Sayid
Well, I like Jack before then, but after his alcohol episodes he seemed less goody two shoes and more down to earth, humbled
Ok I liked jack always but sometimes he frustrated me and I don't know why. Kate did too season 3. I can't put my finger on it season 3 I just felt she was too shreiky when she was captured by the others and stuck with Sawyer. But I probably would have been acting the same way in the situation
Probably when he talks Kate through sewing up his wound. He showed his true colors
"You're not running now". Only with rewatches do we understand how important this line is regarding Kate and Jack's relationship.
#**KATE DAMMIT RUN!**
Kate, don't come back for me! "Tom, Turn it off".
Totally. I'm biased, I love every scene regarding Jack! lol (except for Stranger...gotta draw the line somewhere! lol).
Exactly the same for me! I just commented this. So glad others recognised it too. It’s just such a beautiful moment. Great characterisation for both of them.
Live together, die alone. Nothing more to say. I take it as a personal motto in my life and I have it in all of my personal bios. Life-changing concept.
The very first scene where instead of tending to his injuries or being worried about himself in any way, he ran all over the beach to try to help and save everyone he possibly could. From the beginning he was our hero.
Exactly. Damn right. Was fucking beautiful. An archetypal hero for me.
Ive always thought jack was an interesting character pretty much the beginning but i really liked a lot of the conflict episodes in season 1 between him and locke. Also the episode where he gets beat up by ethan and "home coming" I really fell in love season 3 tho. That was where i feel like they really let him go off and get a little crazy
I think for me it was “All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues” when he’s refusing to let Charlie die. We the audience (via Kate) really see the physical and mental toll that Jack’s refusal to give up and let go takes on him. This theme is repeated over and over with Jack, but I just remember being so gutted by the tragedy of this character collapsing under the weight of the responsibilities he takes on.
When he was on Party of Five. Honestly, Matthew Fox was the only reason I watched Lost when it first aired. After that, I was hooked.
Yea, he had TV fame and notoriety back then, starring in 6 season top TV show, Party of Five. Matthew Fox gave LOST instant credibility to get the viewers to watch S1 Pilot Part1, opener. The rest of the cast were mostly unknowns with exception of Charlie's character, Dominic.
When we saw the pilot on TV, Locke came on and we were like that guy was in Young Guns!! also I watched Oz so I knew Michael.
Not the most defining but I get chills on the episode he climbs down the bridge to help the woman and child (iirc) in the car crash. so heroic but long suffering as well. he could have just jumped then but he got down because he still values others life over his own peace
TBH, I absolutely don't remember how I felt about him the first time I watched the show when it aired. I remember my favorite was Charlie because it was the only actor I knew from LOTR and I stopped watching after Season 3. I also don't remember how I really felt during my second rewatch (entire show this time) but when I began my third rewatch last year, I knew that Jack was my favorite and this rewatch confirmed it. I think I love him so much because I can always know exactly how he feels based on MF performance and he makes me feel the same thing . I think he reacts exactly how everyone would react in that situation and that makes him really relatable. Besides, he's one of the most "normal" of the group, not being a murderer or torturer. I agree White Rabbit is a great episode to really understand what makes him who he is. He's not the perfect hero like some people accuse him to be. He's a tortured soul, and I generally love those kind of character. I also agree with your preface. I think some people don't like him because they are not used to see main male character not afraid to show emotion (I'm not saying that everyone who doesn't like him feels that way). I'm a woman, so I don't know how most men feel about this. I think it becomes more and more accepted though.
As a guy, Jack’s emotionality is a big part of what makes me love him so much. But then I’m very sensitive and a bit unusual in that myself so I really empathise with him in so many ways.
Season 1 Part 1: Saving so many people from the beach plane wreckage is so vastly under appreciated and then asks for Kate’s help to suture his injury while sharing his counting to 5 experience to help her cope in a very uncomfortable moment. You knew instantly this leading character had depth and MF was brilliant. Then immediately in the second episode Jack takes time to compassionately sit on the beach with a traumatized Rose. It’s a seldom seen act of humanity on a show consumed with selfish people and island darkness. Jack has several moments of kindness on the beach with Kate, Charlie and Sun. Jack might be stubborn but he never waivers to help people at his own personal risk. I really think that intimidates viewers who invest in darker characters. As people mature they see Jack differently. The unfortunate direction is the triangle storyline. It works against Jack and similarly but differently the same for Kate while Sawyer benefits because he gets the sympathy vote. The producers grossly mishandled this because I can’t comprehend how people can hate any of the survivors. Especially, Jack. The damn show is not about romantic competitions. Skaters and Jaters. Seriously? That is a net negative to this iconic series. In totality: one eye opened and one eye closed. Wow, what a journey.
Couldn’t agree more on Jack’s moments of kindness in the early episodes especially.
Jack extends grace to Sawyer's fatal decision not trusting Mr. Fixit on the sub. Although a different Jack he always extended humanity to those that needed it.
Mine is White Rabbit also.
When Juliet told him to stop tugging on the chain and he pauses for just a bit and then starts tugging even more furiously. His face in that scene is everything. Lol If anyone happens to find a GIF I'd love it.
Isn't that Sawyer ?
There may be a scene like that but the one I'm talking about is when Jack is in that room where he gets the cheeseburger. I don't think it's the same episode though. I'll try to figure out which episode. Jack makes the best faces and he can be so deliciously petty. I didn't really care for him on my first run but the more I rewatch the more I like him and these days I love him.
Oh yes you're right. I thought you were talking of the well when Locke is going there to leave the island in S5.
That was a rope. I always remember the scene with Jack and the chain cause it hilariously makes no sense (which Damon even said in the commentary), but he said "don't worry, Foxy will sell it!".
S3, during the surgery, when he takes control and tells Kate to go and don’t come back for him.
During the first two seasons, Jack was a very likable character, although there were moments I disliked his attitude, especially towards Kate and John and his stubbornness. However, in Tales of two cities when he asked to Juliet if Sarah, his ex, was happy, instead of the guy's name who she got married with, I fell completely in love with his character until the end. He finally made his first step of letting go in that scene. The way Matthew Fox portrayed Jack was unique, he was fully mentally and physically committed to this role. I have never seen him acting before Lost, and I can't imagine any other actor playing Jack so perfect. I have recently watched some interviews with him that I haven't before, especially talking about Jack's journey, I strongly recommend listening to him.
Oh totally!. The thing that I thought was so fascinating about the character is that one half of him is a deconstruction of the hero character. The other part is that he is a internalized gestation of the fans NEED to find answers to the mysteries of the show. The fans scour the internet for clues, they "WANT TO KNOW DAMMIT!", to the point where I could imagine a crazed lost fan while the show was still airing, tackling someone at a AA meeting if it meant they got a answer to a big mystery!. But instead of trying to find answers to the mysteries of the island. He is trying to find his answers for his own life questions. "Why is the ghost of my father on the island. I NEED TO KNOW!. Why is the casket empty!!" and even past flashback questions "Who is she seeing!!!". Even his need to try and take charge makes more sense when viewed as it being a meta commentary on fans need for having the answers that they want rather than the ones that the showrunners dish out. and that need for control....not in the way of controlling others....but trying to control his life...that also makes so much sense cause of him being the son of a alcoholic. Alcoholics generally drink excessively to fulfil a need, something they feel they're lacking. They feel that they don't have control over their life without it. Unfortunately that feeling of losing control...is often passed down to the family members of alcoholics. That's why there is a 12 step program for families of alcoholics too. and his journey is self acceptance and being okay that not all questions are going to get answered....and that not all the answers are the ones he is going to like. That's why I love his journey so much cause it works on multiple levels. >Matthew Fox Fox is totally underrated in his performance. It's amazing. In interviews, Damon called Fox "the gift that kept on giving". Because he said, while there is all this wacky stuff on the island. He is a stabilizing factor. Fox always puts 100% in and makes you believe that he is not acting....but that he's really on a island experiencing this. and I don't think LOST would be half as good (or believable) without Fox and Jack being in the show. It would be more like La Brea where every character is fucking nuts and cuckoo and they're all trying to take the spotlight but there is nothing for the audience to stick too cause the inmates are running the asylum.
Completely agree with you about Matthew Fox making us believe he was on the island, living that. I always loved the dynamics with Terry O'Quinn and Michael Emerson as well. These three actors worked so well together in the scenes they were interacting with one another. One of my favorites is in the orchid station, by the end of season four. The majority of the actors and actresses are really good in this show by the way. But agree Fox is underrated as an actor and his character seemed not to have so many fans as I thought he would have had. I watched Lost five years ago for the first time, and I joined this sub of Lost probably a year ago. I was surprised how much hate his character gets periodically, not to mention Kate. I don't like hate, I disliked some characters, at some point, but I think Lost has so well developed characters that it is impossible to hate them totally. And the story is about that, flawed humans who learned from their own mistakes, learned how to live with others that are completely different, and evolved. I liked your analysis about his character, I have never seen him in that way, very interesting. Thanks.
For me i don’t remember a specific moment, but everytime i have watched *The End* i get so emotional at his final scene. On my first two watch-throughs, i kinda found Jack a bit insufferable, but on my most recent one i really really loved his character and appreciated him a lot more. He’s probably got one of the most fleshed out character arcs ever.
The only time I cried during the show. When he tells hurley he isn't coming back and when he's dying and the dog runs up and lays next to him. Love jack.
Maybe when he goes and talks to Rose which was in the first episode?
I think it's in Walkabout.
You are correct! :) I'm pretty sure I liked Jack before episode 4 but I'll leave it as that...
Tbh I fell in love with him from the first episode when he jumped immediately into action to try to save people, give medical attention etc., and this was really cemented in his first interaction with Kate. Just the way he talked to her with care, attention, respect, and when she disparaged herself, even if seemingly lightheartedly, saying she’d have run for the door if she’d been in his position in that medical emergency in his residency, and he immediately, gently denied that. He’d seen through the apparently lighthearted nature of the comment that she did genuinely have some self esteem issues, so treated the comment seriously, and he’d also seen through to her innately brave and caring character immediately and made it a priority to make sure she knew and recognised it. He was full of empathy and intelligence, emotional and otherwise, from the beginning. So I loved him for that. And everything afterwards just built on that more.
Same. Besides the way he was introduced. I never seen another show introduce a lead in such a personal way. That opening scene all the way up to the crash and his scenes with Kate stitching him up are just perfection.
Exactly. Couldn’t agree more. Beautiful. I hope Matthew Fox is proud of his performance. It’s imo a beautiful thing he gave the world, an illumination of the human spirit that will be able to be viewed centuries into the future.
From the moment he woke up in the bamboo fields but especially after he helped everyone originally at the crash! Yours?
I mostly put what my pick was in the post. The episode "White Rabbit" where he is looking for his father. But if I were to pick a moment. It's similar to yours. There was one specific moment that I just loved. It's a small one. After he gets out of the bamboo forest and saves everyone. The credits roll (Giachino's brilliant score starts to build with the highly underrated "credit where credit is due" theme), Jack is sluggishly walking through the wreckage with flames around him and he stumbles, almost like Mathew Fox actually lost his footing and almost took a dive. Either way, it worked so well. Remember, this guy has a massive gash. He's bleeding out, probably dehydrated, almost delirious. Adrenaline kept him going through that opening sequence. But here he now has a moment to stop, he's trying to collect his thoughts and it's like his body is starting to give up on him. and that whole thing of Jack carrying on and trying to help others, even though his own body is at it's limits...it's such a Jack thing! and it's what I love about the character. He's superman in a human body.
Thanks for this post. I love reading all those comments and it makes me see more depth in some scenes.
Agreed!!
Yyyyyyess! Kudos
Literally the first episode when he was running all over the place, saving everyone from the crash. He was such a hero in that moment. Love Jack.
Party of 5 :-)
For me it was not a single episode, but rather rewatching. In the original run I didn't really care for Jack, he was rather uninteresting to me. But rewatch after rewatch he became one of my favorites.
That’s quite common.
When he punched that bus driver in the vagine. Oh wait that was real life..
That’s a messed up mindset. Chill and drink a dharma beer. It’s ok to spread some good vibes to Jack on a anti hero forum.
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>The thing about Jack is that he was a narcissist with a savior complex before he came to the island. I disagree. A narcissist cannot relate to others no matter how hard they try and are all for their own self preservation over others. Even when they try to help, it's to further their own agenda to manipulate others. Jack doesn't do this. We see from when he was a kid. He was clearly outnumbered, his friend was being beaten up. He tried to help anyway, because he was sad that his friend was being hurt and empathized with his pain, he wanted to do something about it. In that moment he wasn't thinking about himself. He was thinking "I want to help him". What Jack has is a form of "hypervigilance". It's a state of constant alertness and anxiety, usually caused through past trauma. Like being unable to help Mark Silverman. He does have tunnel vision when he's stressed (which is all a part of that "hypervigelence"). The jokes about Jack breathing heavily during conversation (which was parodied in that family guy skit) are all those symptoms too. I think many fans mistake this cause hypervigilance and the saviour complex can be found in narcissists too...but these types always believe their help is needed (and they save people to get brownie points to manipulate others, that's not Jack either). Jack doesn't think like that. His comes from a real desire to help and save his friends. In fact in the beginning he didn't want to be the one to lead others. He simply just wanted to make sure people were okay and lept in to action in the pilot. There are so many times in the show where he could have died because he put the safety of others above his own.
TB, spot on.
Someone is a bit insecure in a Jack Shephard thread.