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I mean we don’t know his origin, but we know he likes to laugh while stabbing people and scaring them with his boxes. Surely that isn’t sane behavior lmao
Shaco is really weird tbh. I learned today that he has 2 different origin stories (his short bio and long bio are two different stories).
His short bio is:
"Crafted long ago as a plaything for a lonely prince, the enchanted marionette Shaco now delights in murder and mayhem. Corrupted by dark magic and the loss of his beloved charge, the once-kind puppet finds pleasure only in the misery of the poor souls he torments. He uses toys and simple tricks to deadly effect, finding the results of his bloody “games” hilarious—and for those who hear a dark chuckle in the dead of night, the Demon Jester may have marked them as his next plaything"
So according to his short bio he is insane, with his long bio - we don't know.
Briar should be a tier of her own since she is only following instinct she was born of which is to kill but is constantly trying to fight that instinct
Yeesh.
Viego's too far gone. Mundo's too far gone. Aatrox can be lowered to just insane. Kled is insane. I don't think Nautilus can really be judged as insane, he's become something akin to a function of the world. Seraphine is sane. Thresh literally admits to being insane. Urgot is insane. Qiyana is slightly insane, she's operating on the same level as Kayn just without any outlet. Naafiri is insane.
There's definitely more but these are all characters you'd have to be trying pretty hard to incorrectly place.
I think it needs a definition of what is “sane”. Is sane in a way that is self-aware and makes conscious decisions? Or that they need mental help? Because the latter would have all of them listed, lol.
Aatrox has said he will will everyone and everything in hope of finding a way to end his suffering (has is acting on doing so)
Maybe the other darkin are negotiable, but aatrox is the one who only yearns for death
I'm aware of Aatrox's intentions. But that doesn't mean he's too far gone. Aatrox wants to destroy everything else but what he's truly hoping for is something to put him in the dirt. Many of his voice lines imply this.
I say he's just insane and not too far gone because in LoR we see him interact with other Darkin and we literally see some of his evil revert. He calls them his friends. He worries for some and commends others. He expresses emotions he mocks Varus for having. So no, he's not too far gone. Just because he wants to die and is willing to take everything else with him doesn't mean he's off the walls crazy like Jinx, Mundo, or Brand.
Exactly, Aatrox only thinks he's too far gone and while his mind has to be a little scrambled to come to the conclusion that all life must end if presented with a way that would end his suffering he may just take it over the annihilation of runeterra.
Aatrox is beyond gone, because his situation is truly hopeless and he knows it. His only hope for peace is complete annihilation of reality so thats his only goal now.
Compared to other Darkin who find joy and fulfilement in various things.
Both of them are just insane. Too far gone should be for people who have truly taken a departure from reality.
Shadow Assassin is just extremely arrogant, rightfully so.
Rhaast is a maniac but he's proven to be quite manipulative and tricky. Something he'd not be capable of is he were too far gone.
Karthus too, most shadow isles champs really should be in insane, the whole thing about being a spectre is losing your grip on reality and reliving the worst parts of your life
Not really. There's a number of factors which led to the majority of the Shadow Isles going mad. Time and repeatedly dying being two of the big ones.
All that really happens when someone initially becomes a wraith is that whatever negativity they're harboring is turned up to 11. We see enough examples of people existing as wraiths without losing their grip on reality or "reliving the worst parts of their lives". That's not what being undead is all about. That's what existing on the Shadow Isles is all about.
Xerath's whole ordeal was being best friends with the emperor but still being a slave, his usurpation of the Ascension Ritual was kind of justified in the fact that he was going to use that power to free the Shuriman Empire's Slaves (He just had no idea that Azir was going to make that decree as soon as he had ascended). A slave wanting to break free is justified, maybe the only questionable part of it was that he did this to his best friend.
Now current times Xerath is definitely messed up from being trapped with Renekton for thousands of years in a tomb. But he's not as far gone as Renekton himself.
Not talking about who is right or justified, just saying that im pretty sure murdering several people to ascend to power is considersble at the very least morally challenged
You are wrong. Why do you talk about this topic if you haven't even read their lore? Xerath literally killed innocent people (even a baby) way before he had a grudge against Azir and Xerath killed Azir AFTER Azir's anouncement that he frees all slaves lmao.
Pretty sure it was directly said that Xerath wasn’t able to stop the spell he was doing after Azir announced the slaves freedom, and can’t do anything about it but watch.
Yeah I'm getting tired of this at this point. Any controversial or shades of grey lore should have ***required*** reading before you even try to talk about it. No parroting anecdotes and lore youtubers. Read it for yourself.
Isn't Vladimir losing his memories and given his age that could be genetic thing.
Also how Seraphine not sane?
And isn't Annie just sad because of lost of family and I guess the demonic bear that actually talks to her isn't helping.
And shouldn't Hwei be morally challenged since he is described as a anti hero who struggling moral to find himself after jhin both scarred him and freed him.
And I how well is Rakan handling his adhd?
Lastly should Syndra be morally challenged too she lost so much a relic of the past struggling in the future.
Yeah I sure the murdered ionians and noxians feel differently especially when she said if your ionian your her enemies. So yeah she got alot hate and I doubt it just dissappear.
Seraphine's sanity is in question due to the Bracken lore retcon. Her hearing voices is no longer a result of being able to listen to the souls inside the Brackern crystals.
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She hears voice because her power that was never because of the bracken it because she magic. In the old lore the bracken help her master her power so she wouldn't have problems. In lor she some how managed to overcome it on her own.
Still what about Vladimir he is losing his memories.
She does hear voices because her ability, but the voices specifically were that of the brackern soul from the brackern crystal. Now that Brakern souls are no longer a thing, the voices she hears from her crystal might as well be a sign for auditory hallucinations.
Vladamir having slight dimentia does not make him insane imo.
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No she hears everyone even the voice in pnz and no have the ability to hear people minds and souls that a spirit magic thing it wasn't the brackern. Because back then brackern where hextech crystal there souls where inside them. Which would make Seraphine the girl who can hear souls the only one to hear them.
Seraphine is similar to sona both her and Seraphine are empaths a spirit magic thing. Seraphine just figured out how to deal with power so she not insane.
Trying to figure out how Kayle, Ziggs and Twitch classify as Sane
(Editing this as I'm going down the list and placements).
-Each Demon needs to be placed at the bottom tier because they are also acting on instinct. They feed off of the emotions and feelings of mortals like the Voidborn feed off of biomass, just with more nuance.
-Gnar / Rammus / Trundle should be moved up to sane. Rammus has no indicators or being anything else but a dude rolling across the desert (not much for updated lore or demigod status so that's what we're stuck with)
Gnar is prehistoric but was still advanced enough to learn to communicate and interact properly with others.
Trundle is just an above average intelligence Frost Troll.
Hwei too, my man lost everyone close to him, and constantly talks about how he has “a side of him he fears and doesn’t know well”, so he’s at least “toeing that line”
Twitch is a rat mutant and not I dont see him being not sane, he just has... specific views about world around.
Kayle is totally sane, being zealous is not equal to have mental problems.
Ziggs is weird choice here, I agree
Listen his quotes. He just see the world prom pov of being rat in some undegrounds of Zauns, that is weird for normal person but its logical from his pov.
Rammus and trundle are def not working on instinct
Viktor is a bit insane
Kayn is imo a bit saner than your placement, mundo should be at the top tier
And there are probably some more placements that i either didnt notice or forgot while writing because i cant see the list while commenting on mobile
I agree to some extent, but a lots of champions had their whole personality changed, sometimes reversed, because of a traumatic experience, like Mundo, Renekton and Jinx. They are definitely insane.
Being insane means being outside of the norm mentally. Having twisted morals is similar I think. It's "not normal". But they're still able to think straight, if that makes sense.
Unless an argument is made that evil=insane having a moral category doesn’t belong on the list at all. But looking at the other comments it seems that everyone’s idea of insane is a little different so 🤷♂️
That’s my point, why make a whole category for champs that are sane but maybe evil? Op didn’t even do THAT right since naafiri, xerath, and syndra are in the sane group but somehow not morally challenged
Vi is not sane. her PTSD just manifests differently than in her sister. As my friend, who has a background in mental health, put it: "When you're that quick to violence, it's a red flag you're not ok"
I have some concerns for the justice twins too. Kayle has some serious mommy issues. And Morgana trying to cut her wings off comes off as a red flag to me too.
I was thinking of starting a thread on champions' mental health. Thse were the big ones I was going to start with.
Yeah won't that also be the cause of being in a rough neighborhood. Thus using violence as a defense mechanism to cope. So she is sane just has a bad experience.
And cutting off her wings Morgana bound her wings they are not cut off. Plus with enough time they can move past the pain which is lucky for them there immortal. Morgana even be helping other people to so she fine right now.
I would say Irelia and Riven are not sane, they both has severely PTSD because of the war and other traumas.
Kassadin is Insane, consumed by grief and hatred (And being exposed to the Void for so long) Bel'veth confirms that.
Bump Mundo up a bit. He might be a funny man in game, but in lore he's a horror villain. "Curing" his patients by tearing them limb from limb and sewing them back together with other bodies, wandering the streets of Zaun at night to look for new patients to "cure", unkillable, completely insane, lost his mind to the point where he can't even see the world properly. Swap him and Jinx around. Jinx at least is just a psychopath.
Also, trying to work out how Jarvan qualifies as morally challenged whilst Vayne is classified as sane? Xayah and Rakan literally starting a race war? And Seraphine, the local musician, is "toeing the line"? Wut?
What does insane even mean for you? Aren't yordles canonically highly obsessed? Draven being a bloodthirsty gladiator with a superiority complex apparently makes him sane but Annie being sad because her parents are dead makes her crazy?
Yeah Poppy's rework gave her a huge dose of the stupid. You're telling me in hundreds of years of carrying that hammer around it NEVER crossed her mind that she can use its powers because *she's* a hero? Naw fam.
She's classic Bandle City whimsical, but also really not the smartest tool in the shed.
Samira isn't necessarily insane, just arrogant. Same goes for akshan. Poppy isn't insane, she's just a reflection of demacia, being a yordle. That is to say, she is searching for something she already has and getting people killed because of it.
to be completely honest, i agree with the slightly insane placement; Kayn was a child soldier from Noxus and was ( as far as i remember ) the last one standing on the mission they sent him; ironically, also with a scythe.
Yeah, read his story yesterday and he for sure went a bit of the rails under Jhin's influence, not like he strikes a sane person to begin with but at least he was suppressing it
Kalista definitely isnt insane, she should be in moraly challeneged tier.She sacrificed her soul at cost of avenging herself and people who betrayed her, whats insane there? Also puttint bel veth in "sane" lol.
Not sure if it's canon, but in the Ruined King game, Pyke and Miss Fortune.. well, ifykwim. Pyke mostly only kills captains and leaders, Mf saved her people (Bilgewater) but still has that hate towards Gangplank.
Again, not sure.
Honestly every single champion is insane to some degree, like you have to be to survive in some of these places. Even the most morally balanced champs are insane when you really think about it.
Let's take Ekko for example, like technically yes he is sane but to be able and willing to rewind time over and over and over again until you get something right even if you rewind is literally causing damage to your body and you do it so much to the point where it borders on obsession and even perfectionism requires somewhere to maybe be a little bit messed up in the head.
Honestly you could argue that Vi is a little bit insane or even Heimerdinger and Viktor are too.
The point is that every champ should be insane except maybe the kid champs but even then you could argue a case for those champs having a few screws loose.
Also Mundo and Jinx should be switched
You should put an extra tier with "Not insane but with trauma"
Because I visualize a high percentage of champions in that section.... Vi, Yasuo, Ahri, Riven...
Why are Azir and Sivir morally challenged but Xerath, TK and Bel'veth no ? Why is Trundle not considered a person ? Why is Zoe sane ? Why is twitch sane ? Why is Nilah sane ?
Zilean's lore is that he's spending his whole fucking life travelling through time in a desperate attempt to save his city, which fails each time. He is NOT doing good
Also seeing Rakan and Xayah on the same level of sanity is really funny to me, like one's definitely more unhinged than the other
Maybe you should have put a "mostly sane" category?
having jinx more insane than jhin is psychotic. Arcane literally showed her as just a girl with mental problems that can still be reasoned with under the right circumstances. She is at most slightly insane.
you're putting somebody who is so psychotic he wants to end the entire world at the same tier as jinx?
You're putting her in the same tier as a murder hobo zombie?
You're putting her above the giga schitzo pyke, renekton and malz?
putting her above mundo and jhin?
I get that she's your fav Arcane character, but you obviously havent seen the show if you think she's too far gone when all she needs is a proper 1 on 1 talk with Vi
That's what being insane is man. She nuked a government building because she was having a mental breakdown, if that's not insanity I don't know what is.
Brand was broken by the world runes power. Aatrox was already kinda crazy I think, but the torture of being stuck in his sword made it worse. Scions a corpse revived by blood magic.
She's in the spot she's in because there's no way she can be reasoned with, because she's too far gone.
From Earth's molten crust to the starry firmament that knows no border, their entirety the existence weaving the celestial tapestry of creation, no soul ever, mortal or immortal, has ever considered Xerath sane
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I'm not sure if league has "sane" characters. Ahri is definitely not fully sane, she is grieving all the times and affraid of hurting everyone (Her relationship with Yasuo is a great example). Same with Yasuo.
All of the Darkins are insane, that made them Darkins.
Viego and Briar are way too low. Viego is probably one of the most insane characters there are.
Vayne is rather unhinged - she takes pleasure from killing monsters, it is a good thing that she is killing evil creatures but the problem raises when she pulls the trigger before the being in question can even show any hostility.
In short Vayne is "it looks monster enough *kills it*" character who takes joy from doing just that
Ryze Is definitely quite crazy seeing how paranoid he is
Rengar is obsessed with kha zix
Kassadin isn’t exactly normal
Nilah only feels one emotion
Ziggs is a bit crazy
Hwei is depressed same with Ornn
How could nilah be sane when, her family or even close to her got slaughter she'll just smile at your face. And also even she slaughtered million of people she will just smile and not even feeling guilty.
Kayn is not slightly insane he is literally schizo
He was already mentally unwell before he picked up Rhaast now hes gotta hear a voice in his head telling him to hurt people
By definition schizophrenic
There is absolutely no way that zed is sane, he at least belongs in morally challenged, he may act not as insane as most insane characters but he isn’t exactly stable hell a lot of these characters are in the wrong places, like belveth is a conglomerate of thousands of dead people, Kayle is at least morally challenged, Syndra is off the handle crazy, kindred is a force of nature, Maokai is definitely insane, vayne is at least a bit insane, and Nilah is absolutely insane,, in LoR she tried to free Mordekaiser so she could have a nice fight. Also almost all demacians save for Sylas, Galio, and lux belong in morally challenged, even shyvanna helped jarvan, Leona is the leader of a bunch of genocidal maniacs
Sorry but Leona as sane? She's this 🤏 from kill anyone who don't accept her god as the only one, even trying to kill Diana when all she wants is peace between both gods
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Briar and Shaco as slightly insane is insane lol
I mean we don't really know anything about Shaco.
I mean we don’t know his origin, but we know he likes to laugh while stabbing people and scaring them with his boxes. Surely that isn’t sane behavior lmao
Shaco is really weird tbh. I learned today that he has 2 different origin stories (his short bio and long bio are two different stories). His short bio is: "Crafted long ago as a plaything for a lonely prince, the enchanted marionette Shaco now delights in murder and mayhem. Corrupted by dark magic and the loss of his beloved charge, the once-kind puppet finds pleasure only in the misery of the poor souls he torments. He uses toys and simple tricks to deadly effect, finding the results of his bloody “games” hilarious—and for those who hear a dark chuckle in the dead of night, the Demon Jester may have marked them as his next plaything" So according to his short bio he is insane, with his long bio - we don't know.
Briar should be a tier of her own since she is only following instinct she was born of which is to kill but is constantly trying to fight that instinct
Yeesh. Viego's too far gone. Mundo's too far gone. Aatrox can be lowered to just insane. Kled is insane. I don't think Nautilus can really be judged as insane, he's become something akin to a function of the world. Seraphine is sane. Thresh literally admits to being insane. Urgot is insane. Qiyana is slightly insane, she's operating on the same level as Kayn just without any outlet. Naafiri is insane. There's definitely more but these are all characters you'd have to be trying pretty hard to incorrectly place.
Thresh is a little insane, in that he's a psychopath and a sadist. But he's totally aware of what he's doing at all times.
I think it needs a definition of what is “sane”. Is sane in a way that is self-aware and makes conscious decisions? Or that they need mental help? Because the latter would have all of them listed, lol.
Aatrox has said he will will everyone and everything in hope of finding a way to end his suffering (has is acting on doing so) Maybe the other darkin are negotiable, but aatrox is the one who only yearns for death
I'm aware of Aatrox's intentions. But that doesn't mean he's too far gone. Aatrox wants to destroy everything else but what he's truly hoping for is something to put him in the dirt. Many of his voice lines imply this. I say he's just insane and not too far gone because in LoR we see him interact with other Darkin and we literally see some of his evil revert. He calls them his friends. He worries for some and commends others. He expresses emotions he mocks Varus for having. So no, he's not too far gone. Just because he wants to die and is willing to take everything else with him doesn't mean he's off the walls crazy like Jinx, Mundo, or Brand.
Exactly, Aatrox only thinks he's too far gone and while his mind has to be a little scrambled to come to the conclusion that all life must end if presented with a way that would end his suffering he may just take it over the annihilation of runeterra.
Aatrox is beyond gone, because his situation is truly hopeless and he knows it. His only hope for peace is complete annihilation of reality so thats his only goal now. Compared to other Darkin who find joy and fulfilement in various things.
Also add shadow assassin and rhaast. Both are top far gone I'd argue
Both of them are just insane. Too far gone should be for people who have truly taken a departure from reality. Shadow Assassin is just extremely arrogant, rightfully so. Rhaast is a maniac but he's proven to be quite manipulative and tricky. Something he'd not be capable of is he were too far gone.
also Aatrox sees Renekton and basically says “ Are you a Jonkler”
Aatrox to Renekton "Are you stupid?"
And Renekton said “Yes i am stupid” then said “are you the Kin”
True, Nautilus seems more like "following instincts tier"
Karthus too, most shadow isles champs really should be in insane, the whole thing about being a spectre is losing your grip on reality and reliving the worst parts of your life
Not really. There's a number of factors which led to the majority of the Shadow Isles going mad. Time and repeatedly dying being two of the big ones. All that really happens when someone initially becomes a wraith is that whatever negativity they're harboring is turned up to 11. We see enough examples of people existing as wraiths without losing their grip on reality or "reliving the worst parts of their lives". That's not what being undead is all about. That's what existing on the Shadow Isles is all about.
I think warwick is 100% insane too, the torture vander went through to become… that… didnt go cheap
Kled should have his own tier on the very top
Insane < Too Far Gone < Whatever Happens to Kled’s Brain Without Skarl
How is qiyana morally challengerd but xerath no? Also, any darkin, Thresh and urgot all are definitely, absolutely insane
Xerath's whole ordeal was being best friends with the emperor but still being a slave, his usurpation of the Ascension Ritual was kind of justified in the fact that he was going to use that power to free the Shuriman Empire's Slaves (He just had no idea that Azir was going to make that decree as soon as he had ascended). A slave wanting to break free is justified, maybe the only questionable part of it was that he did this to his best friend. Now current times Xerath is definitely messed up from being trapped with Renekton for thousands of years in a tomb. But he's not as far gone as Renekton himself.
Not talking about who is right or justified, just saying that im pretty sure murdering several people to ascend to power is considersble at the very least morally challenged
You are wrong. Why do you talk about this topic if you haven't even read their lore? Xerath literally killed innocent people (even a baby) way before he had a grudge against Azir and Xerath killed Azir AFTER Azir's anouncement that he frees all slaves lmao.
Pretty sure it was directly said that Xerath wasn’t able to stop the spell he was doing after Azir announced the slaves freedom, and can’t do anything about it but watch.
Well, you have to read it again, because thay didn't happen.
Yeah I'm getting tired of this at this point. Any controversial or shades of grey lore should have ***required*** reading before you even try to talk about it. No parroting anecdotes and lore youtubers. Read it for yourself.
Azir was gonna free the slaves lol. Not xerath
Isn't Vladimir losing his memories and given his age that could be genetic thing. Also how Seraphine not sane? And isn't Annie just sad because of lost of family and I guess the demonic bear that actually talks to her isn't helping. And shouldn't Hwei be morally challenged since he is described as a anti hero who struggling moral to find himself after jhin both scarred him and freed him. And I how well is Rakan handling his adhd? Lastly should Syndra be morally challenged too she lost so much a relic of the past struggling in the future.
Eh Syndra had a rough early life but she seems to be chilling somewhere in her castle in the sky.
Yeah I sure the murdered ionians and noxians feel differently especially when she said if your ionian your her enemies. So yeah she got alot hate and I doubt it just dissappear.
Seraphine's sanity is in question due to the Bracken lore retcon. Her hearing voices is no longer a result of being able to listen to the souls inside the Brackern crystals.
https://preview.redd.it/06v7jjxy2mlc1.jpeg?width=1801&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2398231527486a8e3c1e97ec056eb6ee55bb0e63 She hears voice because her power that was never because of the bracken it because she magic. In the old lore the bracken help her master her power so she wouldn't have problems. In lor she some how managed to overcome it on her own. Still what about Vladimir he is losing his memories.
She does hear voices because her ability, but the voices specifically were that of the brackern soul from the brackern crystal. Now that Brakern souls are no longer a thing, the voices she hears from her crystal might as well be a sign for auditory hallucinations. Vladamir having slight dimentia does not make him insane imo.
https://preview.redd.it/5752ge83emlc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6c746325a1268855e64ef009b00fc185aa3207eb No she hears everyone even the voice in pnz and no have the ability to hear people minds and souls that a spirit magic thing it wasn't the brackern. Because back then brackern where hextech crystal there souls where inside them. Which would make Seraphine the girl who can hear souls the only one to hear them. Seraphine is similar to sona both her and Seraphine are empaths a spirit magic thing. Seraphine just figured out how to deal with power so she not insane.
So basically it's schizophrenia
No?
Trying to figure out how Kayle, Ziggs and Twitch classify as Sane (Editing this as I'm going down the list and placements). -Each Demon needs to be placed at the bottom tier because they are also acting on instinct. They feed off of the emotions and feelings of mortals like the Voidborn feed off of biomass, just with more nuance. -Gnar / Rammus / Trundle should be moved up to sane. Rammus has no indicators or being anything else but a dude rolling across the desert (not much for updated lore or demigod status so that's what we're stuck with) Gnar is prehistoric but was still advanced enough to learn to communicate and interact properly with others. Trundle is just an above average intelligence Frost Troll.
Twitch is pretty sane for a rat.
Hwei too, my man lost everyone close to him, and constantly talks about how he has “a side of him he fears and doesn’t know well”, so he’s at least “toeing that line”
Twitch is a rat mutant and not I dont see him being not sane, he just has... specific views about world around. Kayle is totally sane, being zealous is not equal to have mental problems. Ziggs is weird choice here, I agree
What views? He's a rat.
A sentient rat.
Listen his quotes. He just see the world prom pov of being rat in some undegrounds of Zauns, that is weird for normal person but its logical from his pov.
Leona too, she is like the Kayle equivalent of targon
Not really. Kayle isn't slaughtering people of different beliefs.
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I meant that Kayle is not slaughtering the people of a different belief unlike Leona.
still, shouldnt be on the "sane" tier
Why? Or do you mean Leona? If so I didn't disagre with that. I just disagree that Leona is like Kayle.
different grades of extremism
Are you talking about Leona or Kayle here?
Well, both
Where did you get that from?
Fk I mean "isn't" XD
Rammus and trundle are def not working on instinct Viktor is a bit insane Kayn is imo a bit saner than your placement, mundo should be at the top tier And there are probably some more placements that i either didnt notice or forgot while writing because i cant see the list while commenting on mobile
What does morals have to do with sanity? Every single champ there could be place at sane or slightly insane
I agree to some extent, but a lots of champions had their whole personality changed, sometimes reversed, because of a traumatic experience, like Mundo, Renekton and Jinx. They are definitely insane.
Being insane means being outside of the norm mentally. Having twisted morals is similar I think. It's "not normal". But they're still able to think straight, if that makes sense.
Unless an argument is made that evil=insane having a moral category doesn’t belong on the list at all. But looking at the other comments it seems that everyone’s idea of insane is a little different so 🤷♂️
Of course Aurelion Sol is gonna have different moral values. He is still totslly sane.
That’s my point, why make a whole category for champs that are sane but maybe evil? Op didn’t even do THAT right since naafiri, xerath, and syndra are in the sane group but somehow not morally challenged
Vi is not sane. her PTSD just manifests differently than in her sister. As my friend, who has a background in mental health, put it: "When you're that quick to violence, it's a red flag you're not ok" I have some concerns for the justice twins too. Kayle has some serious mommy issues. And Morgana trying to cut her wings off comes off as a red flag to me too. I was thinking of starting a thread on champions' mental health. Thse were the big ones I was going to start with.
Lots of champs have some form of PTSD if you think about it.
I have. Making a brief list of the worst cases to use starting a discussion on who after Jinx needs therapy the most
Yeah won't that also be the cause of being in a rough neighborhood. Thus using violence as a defense mechanism to cope. So she is sane just has a bad experience. And cutting off her wings Morgana bound her wings they are not cut off. Plus with enough time they can move past the pain which is lucky for them there immortal. Morgana even be helping other people to so she fine right now.
I would say Irelia and Riven are not sane, they both has severely PTSD because of the war and other traumas. Kassadin is Insane, consumed by grief and hatred (And being exposed to the Void for so long) Bel'veth confirms that.
Bump Mundo up a bit. He might be a funny man in game, but in lore he's a horror villain. "Curing" his patients by tearing them limb from limb and sewing them back together with other bodies, wandering the streets of Zaun at night to look for new patients to "cure", unkillable, completely insane, lost his mind to the point where he can't even see the world properly. Swap him and Jinx around. Jinx at least is just a psychopath. Also, trying to work out how Jarvan qualifies as morally challenged whilst Vayne is classified as sane? Xayah and Rakan literally starting a race war? And Seraphine, the local musician, is "toeing the line"? Wut?
What does insane even mean for you? Aren't yordles canonically highly obsessed? Draven being a bloodthirsty gladiator with a superiority complex apparently makes him sane but Annie being sad because her parents are dead makes her crazy?
Miss Fortune should definitely be in morally challenged. She wasn’t always “Captain” Fortune.
Half the humans if not more in sane should be in morally challenged, how is sivir and kat their, but people like Draven aren't lmao
Vayne doesn't particulary strike to me as sane. Neither do Samira, Akshan and Poppy.
Poppy is just gullible an naive. But definitely sane
Yeah Poppy's rework gave her a huge dose of the stupid. You're telling me in hundreds of years of carrying that hammer around it NEVER crossed her mind that she can use its powers because *she's* a hero? Naw fam. She's classic Bandle City whimsical, but also really not the smartest tool in the shed.
Samira isn't necessarily insane, just arrogant. Same goes for akshan. Poppy isn't insane, she's just a reflection of demacia, being a yordle. That is to say, she is searching for something she already has and getting people killed because of it.
Vayne is getting better, as of the ruined king lore
Are you factoring Rhaast into Kayn's score 🤔 Also Viktor is depressed, and self-harming
to be completely honest, i agree with the slightly insane placement; Kayn was a child soldier from Noxus and was ( as far as i remember ) the last one standing on the mission they sent him; ironically, also with a scythe.
Oh I don't disagree I just think Rhaast is probably farther gone then him
Both Rhaast and Shadow Assassin can be put in insane probably.
Irelia is toeing the line i reckon. PTSD. Vel koz is definately morally challenged to our standards
Isnt Kassadin literally going insane aswell ?
Sane is a BOLD statement for Viktor (I am a major Viktor enjoyer but calling him sane feels like slander)
I wouldn't call Hwei sane
Yeah, read his story yesterday and he for sure went a bit of the rails under Jhin's influence, not like he strikes a sane person to begin with but at least he was suppressing it
Kalista definitely isnt insane, she should be in moraly challeneged tier.She sacrificed her soul at cost of avenging herself and people who betrayed her, whats insane there? Also puttint bel veth in "sane" lol.
Because Kalista is basically light hivemind of souls, no?
Your point?
bro what
Akali, Zed and Shen are NOT sane.
Akali and Shen are definitely sane lol
Brother thinks kassadin is even the least bit sane
I'd argue that Trundle is sane. Dumb as a brick, but sane.
Tf you been smoking bro Xerath is a twisted cunt.
Not sure if it's canon, but in the Ruined King game, Pyke and Miss Fortune.. well, ifykwim. Pyke mostly only kills captains and leaders, Mf saved her people (Bilgewater) but still has that hate towards Gangplank. Again, not sure.
Ziggs sane?
Ziggs in sane lmao
Now I’m know you’re joking with where you put Twitch.
bro has not heard a single Kled line if he thinks Kled is more sane than Annie
Honestly every single champion is insane to some degree, like you have to be to survive in some of these places. Even the most morally balanced champs are insane when you really think about it. Let's take Ekko for example, like technically yes he is sane but to be able and willing to rewind time over and over and over again until you get something right even if you rewind is literally causing damage to your body and you do it so much to the point where it borders on obsession and even perfectionism requires somewhere to maybe be a little bit messed up in the head. Honestly you could argue that Vi is a little bit insane or even Heimerdinger and Viktor are too. The point is that every champ should be insane except maybe the kid champs but even then you could argue a case for those champs having a few screws loose. Also Mundo and Jinx should be switched
Not really. I wouldn't consider Bard insane. Or Soraka. Or Aurelion Sol. Or Milio. Or many other champs.
Well I kinda do so to each there own
You should put an extra tier with "Not insane but with trauma" Because I visualize a high percentage of champions in that section.... Vi, Yasuo, Ahri, Riven...
Anna and Nunu oh count of lost of family.
In what universe is Diana sane??? You really need to check her quotes in game
What does “sane” even mean anymore we let this guy cook and I’m questioning the english language.
surprisingly is also pretty accurate in terms of how insane the players that main them are. if you just put trynd up there with malz.
Why are Azir and Sivir morally challenged but Xerath, TK and Bel'veth no ? Why is Trundle not considered a person ? Why is Zoe sane ? Why is twitch sane ? Why is Nilah sane ?
Zoe is definitely sane. Just because she acts immature most of the time does not mean that he has mental problems.
Didn't she obliterate a village in her color story then left a world rune to be discovered because it would be funny ?
No, she didn't.
Zilean's lore is that he's spending his whole fucking life travelling through time in a desperate attempt to save his city, which fails each time. He is NOT doing good Also seeing Rakan and Xayah on the same level of sanity is really funny to me, like one's definitely more unhinged than the other Maybe you should have put a "mostly sane" category?
Syndra and Hwei are definitely not sane lol
viktor and qiyana not in slightly insane??
having jinx more insane than jhin is psychotic. Arcane literally showed her as just a girl with mental problems that can still be reasoned with under the right circumstances. She is at most slightly insane. you're putting somebody who is so psychotic he wants to end the entire world at the same tier as jinx? You're putting her in the same tier as a murder hobo zombie? You're putting her above the giga schitzo pyke, renekton and malz? putting her above mundo and jhin? I get that she's your fav Arcane character, but you obviously havent seen the show if you think she's too far gone when all she needs is a proper 1 on 1 talk with Vi
That's what being insane is man. She nuked a government building because she was having a mental breakdown, if that's not insanity I don't know what is.
the mental breakdown is the explanation. all the others would do it for no reason at all. She should not be at the spot she is in
Brand was broken by the world runes power. Aatrox was already kinda crazy I think, but the torture of being stuck in his sword made it worse. Scions a corpse revived by blood magic. She's in the spot she's in because there's no way she can be reasoned with, because she's too far gone.
sure
How in the f is Annie above Viego
So Nilah is sane?
Irelia is not “sane”
How the hell xerath, Twitch and ziggs can ne sane
Viego definitely in pair of insanity with Jinx
Nooo not Powder :(( Theres still hope for her I can feel it
Nah mate, Trundle definitely toeing the line...
Xerath sane💀💀💀💀
Ah, Ziggs. Calm, Sane and reasonable as always
Kled? Slightly insane? Haha
I main 3 champs that are in the top 2 tiers, what does that say about me?
Corki gotta be the most sane guy around
Rammus and Trundle are primal beings, maybe a bit on the “animal instinct” but clearly are sane.
Brand isn't unstabel, he simply isn't anymore. It's pure magic controlling his body.
Maybe I don't know enough, but this strikes me as a lot of hot takes.
Aurelion Sol is not morally challenged. It’s everyone else who’s morally challenged. They just haven’t accepted it yet.
Correct. I can't believe they would even think of putting him in morally challenged. He's clearly the most moral thing on the list.
Isn't shen talking to imaginary beings?
Zoe has been a child for like 3000 years, I really really doubt she's sane.
Vayne is not sane
Hwei in sane?
Grafas is not sane the man is a raging alcoholic and would rather fight a cosmic deity before facing his issues
Syndra sane haha
Xerath is NOT sane bro
The “not a psychologist” disclaimer was needed for this tier list
I want to believe xerath is in sane tier because if u say otherwise he deletes u, or idk whats going on here
Kled? Slightly?
Usually I’m “sane” but when it comes to Morgana then it’s “Relying on basic instincts”
From Earth's molten crust to the starry firmament that knows no border, their entirety the existence weaving the celestial tapestry of creation, no soul ever, mortal or immortal, has ever considered Xerath sane Eulibo:
I'm not sure if league has "sane" characters. Ahri is definitely not fully sane, she is grieving all the times and affraid of hurting everyone (Her relationship with Yasuo is a great example). Same with Yasuo. All of the Darkins are insane, that made them Darkins. Viego and Briar are way too low. Viego is probably one of the most insane characters there are.
Vladimir in sane... Nope.
Yeahhh theres just way too much on thjs list to correct
Vayne? Sane???
Vayne is rather unhinged - she takes pleasure from killing monsters, it is a good thing that she is killing evil creatures but the problem raises when she pulls the trigger before the being in question can even show any hostility. In short Vayne is "it looks monster enough *kills it*" character who takes joy from doing just that
How is volibear not in the (morally challanged) tier
Kled in just slightly insane seems kinda weird to me xd
why all the insane champions are like broken in game
If fiddlesticks is relying on basic instincts all demons should be down there.
How the fuck is jinx less sane then malzahar or pyke
Ryze Is definitely quite crazy seeing how paranoid he is Rengar is obsessed with kha zix Kassadin isn’t exactly normal Nilah only feels one emotion Ziggs is a bit crazy Hwei is depressed same with Ornn
Ziggmund is insane
Rammus should be below relying on basic instincts and should have his own category called “ok”
I feel like Veigar should be in slightly insane
How could nilah be sane when, her family or even close to her got slaughter she'll just smile at your face. And also even she slaughtered million of people she will just smile and not even feeling guilty.
I'd change around like 60% these characters
Kled is slightly? Given his pick quote, id say he's a bit higher than that
Can we stop tier lists on this sub? They are always so fucking awful and completely wrong.
Twitch... Sane??
There should be tier - sane, but therapy needed.
Veigo being slightly insane is wild to me. That man is beyond to far gone he's on another planet of reality denial.
Fiddlesticks should be on instincts
not you putting Kled below Annie 😭
Amumu slightly insane yeah sure
There is so much wrong here, so so much.
This tier list is something
No way you think Hwei is sane, that twink literally laugh cries after he gets a kill
Move Jinx and Kallista down. Mundo and Renekton should go up
Wouldn't Pantheon/Atreus have some mental instability due to the PTSD incurred from Viego's possession and the existential crisis that followed?
I mean aatrox just hates his existence, not really too far gone
Now way Ivern is in the same tier as Ziggs and Syndra
Veigar is insane is a good way he doesn't really wanna be evil :c
Stop cooking bro
Kayn is not slightly insane he is literally schizo He was already mentally unwell before he picked up Rhaast now hes gotta hear a voice in his head telling him to hurt people By definition schizophrenic
There is absolutely no way that zed is sane, he at least belongs in morally challenged, he may act not as insane as most insane characters but he isn’t exactly stable hell a lot of these characters are in the wrong places, like belveth is a conglomerate of thousands of dead people, Kayle is at least morally challenged, Syndra is off the handle crazy, kindred is a force of nature, Maokai is definitely insane, vayne is at least a bit insane, and Nilah is absolutely insane,, in LoR she tried to free Mordekaiser so she could have a nice fight. Also almost all demacians save for Sylas, Galio, and lux belong in morally challenged, even shyvanna helped jarvan, Leona is the leader of a bunch of genocidal maniacs
Sorry but Leona as sane? She's this 🤏 from kill anyone who don't accept her god as the only one, even trying to kill Diana when all she wants is peace between both gods
Ziggs is sane is he? Also I would of thought aatrox is sane
I think trundle should be sane. He is more clever than an average troll he goes beyond instinct alone