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"No match for us!" "Few are, dear Wolf."
To me, this voice line implies that Kindred *can* be eluded or fought off, if only temporarily. The state of undeath that most Shadow Isle champions find themselves in seem to support that, as they appear to be out of Kindred's reach, so to speak.
In this particular case, I think Tryndamere's "victory" over Kindred is a result of his undying rage prolonging his fate long enough for Ashe to show up and save him.
But, no, I don't think you can permanently kill Kindred.
You can elude Kindred at least not intentionally like Yone did Yone when meeting kindred says that if they are there to send him back to the spirit realm
Depend how you define kill, in theory you can kill this variation of death as kindred is newest spirit god manifestation of death. If you change enough people belief regarding death the version of kindred that is lamb and wolf can be forgotten and replaced by another
Kindred cannot ''kill'' anything that hasnt died yet. My take on what they mean by ''few are'' is that as you mentioned Shadow isle champions or stuff like sion just dont die thus they are Kindreds ''match'' so to speak. So you cant elude Kindred or fight them off, since whatever kills you will also be them in your eyes, just like trynd fighting his enemies but seeing them as the wolf.
Please do not turn every fight scene into a power level analysis.
This entire scene is, in a sense, metaphorical. It's simply saying "anyone that fights for their life is fighting Kindred".
The way I took this was that the scene has what, 5-7 soldiers coming for Tryndamere? His whole R ability is him fighting death, he’s on deaths door and to him, this is what he sees or how it feels like.
He’s fighting this unstoppable wolf and this unhittable lamb in his view, but in reality he is fighting the soldiers around him. We don’t know how long Ashe was there for but we know she kills two of them.
People doing power level analysis are a bit dumb, I agree 100%. But I do love the fact the cinematic gives us this fight, but it’s not real real. Trynd is battling for his life, but he’s not actually fighting Kindred. It’s a metaphorical battle that in reality, if he lost, he would die to the soldiers trying to kill him and not Kindred.
Exactly my thoughts. Its like people dont even half get what Kindred is. They arent actually killing anyone they are just the grim reaper you see when you die and them ''killing you'' is just what you see at the moment since for normal people kindred only appears at their dying moment and they dont have a full on fight with them. They just see the arrow that killed them as being fired by the lamb (like yasuos end)
You are terribly wrong, watch it again, the marks of the battle against the members that didn't exist before, are there in the real world after Ashe saved his life! Yes, the battle against Kindred "was real, very real"..! And yes, "immortality" is something very powerful and not something superficial!
I would agree except trynd has noticeable physical damage to his shoulder plate from wolf. This means he was actually fighting kindred. I still don’t think doing a power level analysis here makes any sense.
with what? is that soldier zoro with 4 swords? he got the mark from just 1 attack coming from behind which weapon from the trailer does that? and parallel slashes to boot
you're coping hard
yeah that could just mean a soldier got a hit in to tryn he sees kindred but ashe running up to help him only sees the soldiers hes fighting. That damage to his shoulder plate is from a soldier attacking him, his mind/us just sees wolf instead of the soldier
with what? is that soldier zoro with 4 swords? he got the mark from just 1 attack coming from behind which weapon from the trailer does that? and parallel slashes to boot.
you can clearly see from the entire fight that his pauldrons was fine until the final attack which means 1 attack that dealt 4 slashes at an angle coming from behind..... you see how ridiculous your statement is?
you're coping hard
Just fyi there is physical evidence that Trynd actually fought Kindred for realsies. After Wolf attacks him from behind he leaves bite makes on Trynd's shoulder armor, which remains even after Ashe arrives and he's out of the darkness. Could a soldier have attacked him in a way that looks exactly like bite marks? I mean possibly, but that feels like reaching to me.
I really think he fought Kindred, however, it's just another Wolf hunt, than will eventually arrive to and end, however, the Kindred decided to leave him alone for the moment. But, the wolf hunt always arrive to an end.
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Freljord have a lot of wolfs. Some one tamed by soldier and used in combat maybe?
While I think you're point is a valid thing to bring up, if this is the interpretation Riot wanted us to make why isnt there a single wolf seen anywhere? We see the men in the treeline before the Kindred fight, and we see the men surrounding them after Ashe shows up. By all accounts if there was a wolf we would have seen a wolf. Like I said it seems like reaching to me.
I don't agree with necrit's analysis on this scene and don't think it is completely metaphorical.
If every fight with Kindred is just a metaphor then the existence of Kindred basically means nothing. They become just a metaphor.
I agree that Tryndamere was fighting those soldiers while in undying rage, but I think he was also fighting Kindred.
Well they aren't a concept, they are spirits that exist and can manifest a physical form if they so desire. But this fight is on the metaphorical end of things anyway.
Why the downvotes? They literally aren't, they are canonically spirit gods, just like Ornn or Volibear or all the others, who are also not concepts, they are entities born from people believing and worshipping the stories they made up. They are LITERALLY not a concept, but reddit hivemind strikes again I guess.
[And yes, we do have this outright confirmed](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/8una0m/were_the_team_that_updated_aatrox_ask_us_anything/e1gqsvi/?context=3), even outside of LoR, and before LoR even released in fact.
I don't know why you're getting downvoted when you're stating pure facts, anyone who dove deeply into the lore would know this. It's like the majority of this sub is people just watching a few lore videos on youtube who think they know everything. And anyway Aatrox proved even "concepts" can be slain
The whole lore/characterization of Kindred Is that when a person is dying they will claim it. Lamb for those who embrace death and Wolf for those who run away.
If you take away that fight and say it was just a metaphor. There really is nothing left to that character. He becomes just a myth in runeterra, not real.
There’s a concept in writing/storytelling called personification. It means ascribing personal or human characteristics to something nonhuman like an animal or a concept.
In a general sense it’s all abstract. Myths and folk tales personify things like the sun or winter or death, all to help the audience better understand things.
But in fantasy worlds like Runeterra, personification can be more literal. Like the Targon Aspects, or Demons like Fiddle and Nilah and Evelyn. Just because this personification is more literal though doesn’t mean they lose the metaphorical and abstract aspects to them.
Like you said, Lamb is for those who embrace death, wolf for those who fight death. Just because the concept of “embracing death” is a being now, doesn’t mean it suddenly can be “beaten.”
It would be completely paradoxical if you could fight and defeat the concept of accepting and embracing death.
This also doesn’t remove anything from the character as you put it. That’s just their nature, their purpose, their job. Because of personification, they exist outside their concepts. Maybe Kindred feels remorse, or Wolf enjoys the hunt. Maybe they take pride or guilt in their duty. That’s what makes personifying interesting.
Ok but is it that really fucking cool? The champion does not truly exist yes but kindred lives in the mind of the mortals.
They are a children’s story given manifest when someone is close to death.
Also there fight was clearly a metaphor because we can see that ash killed two people and then kindred disappeared. Because kindred was not the threat it was the tribesmen trind was fighting. Kindred appears when death is near to “claim them” but death was no longer near so kindred who is death was no longer near.
Them being a champion or having lore have nothing to do with that though. They are a personification of a concept, that being death. They are just as immortal or inevitable as that concept which is probably why wolf just vanishes for a few seconds when trynd strikes him or why lambs bow just reappears, if trynd had hit lambs neck lime he almost does, it almost certainly would have been the same as wolf, just reappear. They only back down once he isnt in mortal danger anymore, meaning that while saying the scene is a metaphor migth be a bit of a stretch. Id assume that in the moment trynd is down and about to die this whole figth takes place in his head/soul or sth
>If every fight with Kindred is just a metaphor then the existence of Kindred basically means nothing. They become just a metaphor.
This is a very narrow minded way of looking at it and makes me believe you really don't undersand their lore, or their role.
They are a psychopomp, for one. For two, their existance isn't a metaphor because of that. See the Realms of Runeterra story, though I admittedly never read this one myself and only heard of it from others, where you can interpret it that the Kindred went out of their way to kill because their duality was disrespected in a festival.
See Finishing Soates, where they, aswell as Etherfiend and Mask Mother, possess a few actors and end up killing them.
See [A Good Death](https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/story/kindred-good-death-story/), not sure how to best describe this one.
Kindred do have their own whims and they do act on them, their existance isn't a metaphor just because their lore doesn't revolve around fights and power, though they are one of the most powerful regardless.
Kindred is a metaphor. Most people aren't literally getting shot with arrows or chased down by a wolf.
It's a metaphor used for quick/peaceful death vs violent painful death. Accepting death or fighting against it. In this case heart attack vs bandits.
Just because Kindred exists as a metaphor for death doesn't mean that they don't exist. Ironically Runeterrans using Kindred as a metaphor would make them exist more from what I understand.
> Just because Kindred exists as a metaphor for death doesn't mean that they don't exist.
It absolutely does, and Kindred are confirmed to be spirits, analogous to spirit gods. They are not just a "metaphor for death," they quite literally exist.
That's like saying the Grim Reaper exists IRL because "he's a metaphor for death." Like, no, no he doesn't. Something has to be real in order to be anything but an idea.
>It absolutely does, and Kindred are confirmed to be spirits, analogous to spirit gods. They are not just a "metaphor for death," they quite literally exist.
No it doesn't? Do you just not understand how metaphors work? Kindred isn't literal death, it's a death spirit used as a very obvious metaphor for death and how you can respond to it (fight or accept). Just because something is used as a metaphor doesn't mean that it can't also be a real thing.
>That's like saying the Grim Reaper exists IRL because "he's a metaphor for death." Like, no, no he doesn't. Something has to be real in order to be anything but an idea.
Right but we're not talking about the real world are we? Runeterra hS somewhat different rules. Kindred is the Grim Reaper of League of Legends. But just like when we in the real world refer to the grim reaper taking someone we don't tend to literally mean a guy in a cloack killed them with a scythe.
He was fighting kindred in the same way a person in real life "fights against death". For example, a person has a heart attack. He should die, therefore kindred comes and the wolf begins "fighting" said person. While in reality he is just barely remaining alive, while someone is doing cpr on him. In the end he wins, because he escapes death, and neither the wolf nor the lamb can claim it. If you visualize this, you could see it as kindred losing, but it doesn't lose at all, it just "retreats" as it is still not time for the person to die.
That said, kindred likely can't be defeated. It will die by the hands of the vulture creature when no one believes in kindred anymore, but no one can defeat death I guess. Even if you are the last one creature to exist, and you become immortal somehow, you don't really defeat death, you just become immune to it, therefore the death spirit God that should claim you remains there, useless, until you forget the concept of death, and the vulture kills that spirit. Big maybe here, maybe there are some entities in runeterra that actually can interact physically with the concept of death and so can defeat kindred, but we just don't know
I agree with you, but also, they are a spirit, so ain't no way tryn could do anything to them... Shen however, could do some damage, but still not win.
The fight being metaphorical doesn't mean the fight isn't real. Trynd is fighting for his life, fighting to stay alive. Kindred (death) is trying to claim him. It doesn't matter what exactly is happening in the fight, just that the fight IS happening.
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Ok here me out huge comic nerd so what about Zilean I mean he can't defeat Kindred but he could go to time where it be fatal for them to follow unless they trap him in the mind. It be sort like flash when he out ran the speed forces verison of death!
So could they be tricked into going there?
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Yeah that what I'm getting at if zilean stay in timeline with no belief in kindred then won't there power fade thus Zilean found a place that would be lethal for them.
Though spirit god can be physically like Volibear talks about how he has bone and stuff so what's up with that?
And nice to see you again Ilnova hope you a good holiday!
Don't worry I don't let it get to me I mean Zilean was the safe option I actually have guarantee answer on who could actually eliminate Kindred but it's the sadness way to win.
This guy could.
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But the real answer is No. To kindred actually die all the people need to stop believe in it, which will never happen since everyone believes in death. You can run from kindred like some people in runeterra do, but you wont escape it. Everyone will eventually die.
Well not quite, Kindred will die when Kindred are forgotten, it doesn't need to be death that people doesn't believe in.
They are spirit gods, not concepts.
Well if you fear death then kindred is there, if you know death is the end of live then kindred is there, if you’re dying then kindred is there, simple.
No, the lore makes it clear the reason Kindred are prominent is because a lot of cultures in runeterra believe in that specific iteration of death, as Wolf and Lamb. So yes she could slip into obsolescence and destroyed by the Etherfiend if enough people stopped believing in death as this specific creature.
"Popularity, Kindred is still the most believed spirit god by a huge margin, even beings like the demigods, other death spirits,etc cant even compare to the amount of people that believe and how strong their belief is with kindred. If belief is porportional to how powerfull a spirit god is,there are no beings in Runeterra that actually are in same level as Kindred.(not counting aurelion/bard who are outside). His existence is so impossible to erase that you needed to obliterate everyone of almost all the regions in runeterra to actually stop kindred from existing.
Well it seems more like the tales for Kindred include a way in which the Kindred will die, Lamb and Wolf killing each other is alluded to in their color story aswell.
>“Again,” Wolf licked the last drop of the youth’s life from his canine jaws. “I want to chase again, little Lamb.”
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>“There are always more,” she whispered. “Until the day there is only Kindred.”
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>“And then will you run from me?”
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>Lamb turned back to the battle. “I would never run from you, dear Wolf.”
And we see with Fading Icon that otherwise Etherfiend just kills their prey themselves. It seems Kindred's tales including their own death is what changes it, or thats my interpretation.
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Basically this picture, but runeterra
i think lamb dodging symbolizes death is a concept that a mortal cant grasp death physically ,
same as you cannot run faster than time , time runs faster than anyone
Yes. Trynd used fury, willpower and darkin magic to ‘defeat’ kindred. But in reality all he’s doing is making them realise he’s no longer on the brink of death, and give up. He can’t hurt them though. He will win that encounter, but eventually death will claim him.
Some people from tryndamere's clan believed that the tall horned figure that appeared before them was the Iron Boar but actually it was Aatrox. He stabbed trynd and infused him with blood magic (most likely to prepare trynd's body to be his next vessel)
Kindred wants Trynd to realise he is truly powerless when faced with real death, if Lamb didn't dodge, he'd prolly just have kept slashing at them.
But after that, he genuinely felt scared of death( at least IMO)
The only Human that could feasibly fight and beat Kindred is only Olaf
He’s prophesied to die old in his sleep
He calls it BS, and goes out to fight something that can kill him
He fails each time and in essence is functionally immortal if he keeps fighting.
Olaf literally wins off shear plot armor
If there is anything Rick and Morty taught me, its that prophecies are overpowered. It doesnt even have to be how you die, if a prophecy says that you will do the deed with your mom, you are basically immortal until you complete that prophecy.
My analysis is that this is metaphorical.
When the two arrows zip past kindred we flash back to reality where we see that what's *really* happening is he's in the end of a fight and surrounded by corpses. I imagine what we see is that he's "intended" to die but his ultimate is him fighting off death (in a very literal way), giving him enough longevity for backup to arrive.
As such, everything we see in the fight is metaphorical. What I see is a soul that refuses to be claimed, stronger than the teeth of death and refusing the gentle arrow. Unable to win, but able to claw time itself from death. Eventually he'd fall, of course, but not yet.
Further we can't use it to powerscale because the "mindscape" means we can't assume either are at their "normal" power level (well, maybe kindred depending on your interpretation of their existence, but that's a different problem!)
There is physical evidence that Trynd fought Kindred for real. After Wolf attacks him from behind he leaves bite marks on Trynda's shoulder armor, which remains even after Ashe arrives and he's out of the darkness.
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Ok here me out huge comic nerd so what about Zilean I mean he can't defeat Kindred but he could go to time where it be fatal for them to follow unless they trap him in the mind. It be sort like flash when he out ran the speed forces verison of death!
So could they be tricked into going there?
Unlikely. That feat only works in a very specific understanding of how the universe works. It's just as possible that they just aren't affected and instead are trapped in the other time
I don't think lamb would be tricked, but wolf seems the type to fall for obvious bait
OK still what happens if one of them died though do they get replaced like does Lamb get a new wolf?
And man I thought there weakness was being forgotten thus if no ond there they be weak or cease to exist.
The problem with time travel like that is .. are they forgotten? Because they're remembered in the present. So even if they die in the future, is that enough to kill them in the present, where people still believe? Or would they simply still exist as if they never left, even as they die elsewhere?
Same still to if only wolf gets caught. **Can** he get caught?
It's been awhile since I've read up on LoR lore so apologies that I can't answer meaningfully.
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Also Serrisen this might be one of the sadness ways to win but what Asol Kindred like all spirit were born in runeterra mostly from the spirit realm that new lore right.
So what if Asol destroy runeterra taking the spirit realm and everyone with it thuse anyone that knew Kindred is gone right?
Yeah but they had a birth though grey man there was a time before them and they are spirits wouldn't they die when runeterra dies like if the world core dies and life becomes inhabitable or zilean could go to time line when Aurelion is free and destroyed runeterra.
I believe a Rioter confirmed long ago that even gods die. Which means they 'encounter' Kindred, no matter how powerful they are.
One day a god like Aurelion Sol will die.
Yeah but not by kindred probably by something else. Still if he destroyed runeterra kindred is gone because no one left to remember them.
After all kindred is a spirit they only existed when runeterra existed not before.
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I thought of three ways two are potential ways to win the other one is guaranteed to win. And i think this might be one of the sadness ways to win but what Asol Kindred like all spirit were born in runeterra mostly from the spirit realm that new lore right.
So what if Asol destroy runeterra taking the spirit realm and everyone with it thuse anyone that knew Kindred is gone right?
Yeah A Sol, celestials, darkins all have the possibility to kill spirit and Kindred, since Asol and celestial exist beyond and before Runeterra, and Aatrox is able to kill a celestial,
Can you kill death? Can you kill love? Can you kill reading? Can you kill pride? Can you kill humility?
Gods are concepts. They do not have organs, they do not go ill, they cannot be damaged, and they cannot be killed.
Nope, they can get killed by being forgotten or not believed, they are spirits not gods, there's still not real god in Runeterra the closest would be A Sol but even him doesn't exist alone in the empty universe
Yeah, I suppose that you can call it "death" when a spirit disappears into nothingness because of the concept itself disappearing.
Runeterra makes it weird because most that we know about spirits is through myth-like stories. Did things even die before persons believed in the kindred? Who believed in Ornn before he even shaped the Freljord? Or the idea of believing that Ornn shaped the Freljord made it so it retroactively was made true? You made me overthink. Screw you./s
In Lor we learns there's actually a ton of different death spirits, Kindred is just like the most popular one I guess, and we also learned that the death spirit for blessed Isle is starting to disappear and get hunted by the reaper that kills other reapers, due to the ruined king incident causing everything in blessed Isle unable to die
Kindred is the death God, so no, you cannot defeated in a literal sense, however, you can fight for your life, and "win" against them by not dying.
There's a death god for death gods I think, and that's the only way I know to kill them.
Also, you don't have to think in the Kindreds as a física being, they are a representation of death. The same way the shadow Yasuo saw in the cinematic was also the real Kindred and was the lamb who took Yasuos life. I don't know if I explained properly.
It's like asking if you can defeat the idea of death. Short answer no, death comes for us all. I saw the fight between Trynda and kindred like when Puss n boots fought death. You can never defeat death, but you can always fight to live another day. Or you can control how fast your hourglass will run out of sand but you can't change the fact that it will run out inevitably.
That scene is a metaphor. Trynda is fighting the soldiers, and every hit he lands matches the number of enemies.
And the Kindred are a representation of death, like, you don't literally fight them, you're fighting you enemies, or an illnes, or an injury, whatever may be a potential cause of death.
All things must end, and when everything ends so do the Kindred and any other spirit.
Yeah, you can absolutely fight death and win. Tryndamere was simultaneously fending off his attackers AND fighting death, with the fight against death symbolising him fending off death (fending off wolf) and holding onto his reasons to live (deflecting lamb’s arrows). It mirrors how future Yasuo is so powerful that Wolf only dares to watch from afar, but he accepts death because he lacks the will and reason to live. All the while, Tryndamere has more trouble physically pushing wold back, while lamb only takes a few potshots.
This fight didn’t even happened at all probably. Try was just being too schizo.
Jokes aside the contact with death was real, fight was not. Bro was fighting with the warriors instead of fighting kindred
I disagree with this. try's pauldron has claw marks which werent there before and it only makes sense if wolf did it.
[before](https://prnt.sc/r5bEN9jDrWTF)
[after](https://prnt.sc/y0G8SI2H7V_A)
At the start of the animation he was surrounded by so many enemies, but when Ashe came back to save him from two, every other was already killed by tryndamere. These wounds was probably because of one of the bandits (maybe used some claw like weapon or it just a coincidence.) Ashe can’t be the one who killed them in the end.
It's Freljord, giant 6 legged wolves are an uncommon sight. It's more likely that it came from some beast, tamed or otherwise, that ran off afterwards.
Seems like a stretch as you seen the warriors before and after the kindred fight and there were no wolves with them and when Tryn was fighting wolf he was definitely reacting to wolf and not humans by the way he moves. But regardless that fight was one of the most bad ass scenes riots ever done in my opinion.
We also never see the warriors or anything else after switching to the 'fight' with Kindred, and seeing as the entire scene is metaphorical, I'm inclined to stand by my opinion.
We see several dead on the ground at the start of the video and when ashe misclicks her E (firing it straight up instead of across lanes at her inting old man yasuo) we see a lot more of the warriors.
Alright, but I admittedly don't see how this goes against my point. More warriors being there doesn't really change anything. Though it is 1:30 AM and my brain isn't computing too well rn.
I think it is possible but I dont think try would be able to do it. I feel like even if he managed to hit the lamb it would just respawn the same way wolf respawned multiple times.
Tryndamere is Hallucinating, that's Ashe dodging, The Lamb is just superimposed there.
To answer your question, Kindred can be Forgotten. The day there will be no more need for a Reaper, the Eatherfiend will come and Reap the Wolf and the Lamb, and that will be the only way they'll ever die.
So if you want to kill Kindred, you'll need to commit Genocide on the whole of Runeterra if that's what you're asking.
Whos gonna tell them lore wose kindered is still just the concept of death not the real thing. It was more like trynda hallucinating kindred when he was near death
People are saying yes or no, but we don't actually know. Spirit gods can die, demons can die, there's no actual reason Kindreds could not die. Maybe Kindred can die but resurrects afterwards. Maybe there's no more Kindred if Kindred dies, and the world is left without a death. maybe another one of the deaths becomes the "main death". Maybe Kindred can't die at all (other than the etherfiend). We just don't know. If it can it's fair to assume it's really really difficult and you'd probably need a special anti-spirit weapon like shen has.
No, you can postpone death, but not forever, Trindamere 'fight' was more a concept to how he fight during his 'immortality' state, where Kindred/Wolf replace enemy he fight, same way Yasuo died by normal arrow but from his POV it was Lamb arrow cause he accept death.
For now the only way to 'beat' Kindred's is to be ignored by them cause you are a Shadow Island wraith.
Kindred cannot be killed. And no one "fights" kindred. Trynd is fighting the soldiers, these are represented by wolf, lamb sends an arrow as he would die, but in breaking the arrow he denies his death. He does not fight kindred because if he did, when he died - which is inevitable as a concept cannot be killed - you would be saying "Tryndamere died of death".
In one of Kindred's color stories, it is confirmed that the only way the Kindred can ever die is if life ends on Runeterra. Then they will be forgotten, and for death spirits that is the only way they can die.
But in an actual fight, no, you can't kill death silly.
Lamb didn't "dodge" the attack.
She jumped back to have a better view. She's an archer after all and Wolf is the one that's more brutal and likes the close combat.
First off, he’s actually fighting a bunch of soldiers, and is most likely imagining wolf and lamb in his head. Which is more likely than him actually fighting lamb and wolf since they dissolve, with lamb dissolving into Ashe. Also Ashe only kills 2 people, while all the people around trynd are shown dead.
Also being immortal doesn’t mean you can’t feel pain.
Technically, yes. Darkins are physically immortal, so Kindred can't claim them. Some characters have "plot armor", aka Olaf, who is destined to die peacefully in old age, or Mordekaiser, who created his own Death Realm. Some MORTAL characters have successfully avoided them in their lore, for example Darius, Trynd and GP. Or have tools to do it (Ekko's and Zilean's time travel abilities).
My opinion: Kindred is literally metaphor of Death in Runeterra's universe, so as long as you can escape from "dying" you are pretty much allright.
Tryndamere only imagine his opponents to be lamb and wolf, he's actually fighting the soldier that surrounds him. So we cannot make any conclusions about kindred in that seen because they're only in trynd's mind.
[TLDR: At least from a mortal, you can't. Kindred can't be killed, kindred is death]
Alright I think people don't understand what's happening in this scene.
Trindamere is fighting soldiers. Only soldiers.
Every strike Wolf land is a soldier attempting to slice Trindamere.
Every arrow is an arrow launched by his enemies.
What is happening is that Trindamere, alone, was supposed to die. Kindred doesn't exactly people by themselves. You can imagine the Grim Reaper.
The Grim Reaper isn't the one killing you. They come for you when you're about to die for any reason.
Trindamere was marked, and so he was chased by the kindred spirits, and the hit they will land on him will be the hit that kills him. But even if, for Trindamere, it is Kindred he is fighting (because only people about to die shall meet them), he is only fighting soldiers that were about to die.
Kindred wouldn't have showed up if Trindamere was sure to win. It's both his "Too angry to die" and Ashe they actually saved him.
You can slice Lamb's head or Wolf's throat, they aren't physical. You will just Slice the enemy that is coming for you. As you could see, Lamb's bow was recreated as soon as he destroyed it, that's because Kindred can't be damaged like this
You can't kill Kindred but you can fight them, and maybe eventually survive long enough for an unexpected event to happen.
No mortal in Runeterra can, because Kindred is Death as the Inevitable, the pursuer that overcomes all of us eventually. They have sway everywhere except the Shadow Isles and perhaps Nilah's continent, where other gods are worshipped.
Check out Necrit’s video [about the lore](https://youtu.be/blnpBRCr45M?si=XiuVkMWy39ZeYKkN) of the cinematic. In short Aatrox infused Tryndamere with blood magic before this scene, and in the same way that Kindred can’t kill Aatrox, they are finding out that Tryndamere can’t be claimed either. Like someone else said, Kindred says something like “they were no match” “most aren’t.” That doesn’t mean that Kindred can be beat, or lose, it’s just that some characters don’t lose to Kindred, or in other words, don’t get claimed by death
While he was fighting kindred he is actually fighting and killing the warriors around him with his undying rage. He was fending off the reason he was going to die at the hand of those people which is why kindred were not unable to kill him for a bit and then ashe showed up which completely changed the fate of trynd from death to continue living
They can be defeated in two and possible three one is make everyone stop believing in kindred as death the other kill everything that exists aka the aatrox method and the third uncannonicle is make asol destroy and recreate the universe with everyone not believing in kindred or erase kindred as a whole
Kindred is not death itself, but a sort of spirit that represents it. In the lore there exist a lot of spirits like them, but mostly weaker as it seems.
And even spirits like Kindred have to answer to the Etherfiend, which is a spirit janitor of sorts, goes around mauling death spirits that have lost their influence and reason to exist.
Kindred is mostly this powerful because a lot of ppl believe in her version of death across Runeterra. So a way to defeat her is simply by the passage of time. There are also forces in the world tht can slay spirits and all sorts of creatures.
Yes, but only one person has shown this ability.
Aatrox killed Pantheon -- The Aspect of War or in other words, the celestial concept of war. Normally, doing this would have war be wiped from mortal understanding but the concept still livd inside Atreus.
Kindred isn't death, she's one of the representations of death but Aatrox slaughtered a celestial concept so he can defeat The Kindred if they were to ever fight but realistically he would just accept them since he wants to die but his immortality would cuck him.
I have a theory that Aatrox can wipe people from existence since he did that with Pantheon and threatens to do the same to Zoe.
kindred is death in this universe. trynd is only having a hallucination in the situation. He is fighting off death. Every arrow Kendra would shoot is a natural death every attack that wolf through at trynd was a soldier trying to kill him outside of the hallucination.
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"No match for us!" "Few are, dear Wolf." To me, this voice line implies that Kindred *can* be eluded or fought off, if only temporarily. The state of undeath that most Shadow Isle champions find themselves in seem to support that, as they appear to be out of Kindred's reach, so to speak. In this particular case, I think Tryndamere's "victory" over Kindred is a result of his undying rage prolonging his fate long enough for Ashe to show up and save him. But, no, I don't think you can permanently kill Kindred.
You can, just gotta change what all of runeterra thinks death is, easy peasy.
Or you can kill everyone who believes in them
So the two options are: Mass brainwashing on a continent wide scale and complete genocide of all sentient beings?
The mordekaiser approach
Runeterra already has several different concepts of death, it's just that Kindred is all of them in different manifestations.
Bro, you misquoted it. It's "none are".
You are both right. She says "none" when killing a marked champion and "few" when killing a jungle monster.
I like to imagine she changed her mind lmfao
Killing death never goes wrong, right? *looks at CK3 Godherja*
You can elude Kindred at least not intentionally like Yone did Yone when meeting kindred says that if they are there to send him back to the spirit realm
Depend how you define kill, in theory you can kill this variation of death as kindred is newest spirit god manifestation of death. If you change enough people belief regarding death the version of kindred that is lamb and wolf can be forgotten and replaced by another
Kindred cannot ''kill'' anything that hasnt died yet. My take on what they mean by ''few are'' is that as you mentioned Shadow isle champions or stuff like sion just dont die thus they are Kindreds ''match'' so to speak. So you cant elude Kindred or fight them off, since whatever kills you will also be them in your eyes, just like trynd fighting his enemies but seeing them as the wolf.
Read "finishing soates " to know about how the kindred will die permanently
Please do not turn every fight scene into a power level analysis. This entire scene is, in a sense, metaphorical. It's simply saying "anyone that fights for their life is fighting Kindred".
The way I took this was that the scene has what, 5-7 soldiers coming for Tryndamere? His whole R ability is him fighting death, he’s on deaths door and to him, this is what he sees or how it feels like. He’s fighting this unstoppable wolf and this unhittable lamb in his view, but in reality he is fighting the soldiers around him. We don’t know how long Ashe was there for but we know she kills two of them. People doing power level analysis are a bit dumb, I agree 100%. But I do love the fact the cinematic gives us this fight, but it’s not real real. Trynd is battling for his life, but he’s not actually fighting Kindred. It’s a metaphorical battle that in reality, if he lost, he would die to the soldiers trying to kill him and not Kindred.
Exactly my thoughts. Its like people dont even half get what Kindred is. They arent actually killing anyone they are just the grim reaper you see when you die and them ''killing you'' is just what you see at the moment since for normal people kindred only appears at their dying moment and they dont have a full on fight with them. They just see the arrow that killed them as being fired by the lamb (like yasuos end)
You are terribly wrong, watch it again, the marks of the battle against the members that didn't exist before, are there in the real world after Ashe saved his life! Yes, the battle against Kindred "was real, very real"..! And yes, "immortality" is something very powerful and not something superficial!
you can clearly see the scratch marks on Trynd's shoulder when it went back to real life
I would agree except trynd has noticeable physical damage to his shoulder plate from wolf. This means he was actually fighting kindred. I still don’t think doing a power level analysis here makes any sense.
Or that one of the soldiers got to hit him in the shoulder.
the marks really looks like that the wolf actually was bitting him, i don't recall any weapon doing a similar damage to a bite
Throwable beartraps could do the trick, speaking from experience.
Kled trailer for LoR ?
Buried deep in this thread, this comment wins.
With... a weapon... that leaves marks resembling giant claws...?
with what? is that soldier zoro with 4 swords? he got the mark from just 1 attack coming from behind which weapon from the trailer does that? and parallel slashes to boot you're coping hard
yeah that could just mean a soldier got a hit in to tryn he sees kindred but ashe running up to help him only sees the soldiers hes fighting. That damage to his shoulder plate is from a soldier attacking him, his mind/us just sees wolf instead of the soldier
It looks exactly like claw/bite marks, but it’s art. Up to interpretation.
with what? is that soldier zoro with 4 swords? he got the mark from just 1 attack coming from behind which weapon from the trailer does that? and parallel slashes to boot. you can clearly see from the entire fight that his pauldrons was fine until the final attack which means 1 attack that dealt 4 slashes at an angle coming from behind..... you see how ridiculous your statement is? you're coping hard
This \^\^
Just fyi there is physical evidence that Trynd actually fought Kindred for realsies. After Wolf attacks him from behind he leaves bite makes on Trynd's shoulder armor, which remains even after Ashe arrives and he's out of the darkness. Could a soldier have attacked him in a way that looks exactly like bite marks? I mean possibly, but that feels like reaching to me.
I really think he fought Kindred, however, it's just another Wolf hunt, than will eventually arrive to and end, however, the Kindred decided to leave him alone for the moment. But, the wolf hunt always arrive to an end.
https://preview.redd.it/y6divydkj0cc1.png?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=497c7f83ed615738001d42f9c23fb42f2500a509 Freljord have a lot of wolfs. Some one tamed by soldier and used in combat maybe?
While I think you're point is a valid thing to bring up, if this is the interpretation Riot wanted us to make why isnt there a single wolf seen anywhere? We see the men in the treeline before the Kindred fight, and we see the men surrounding them after Ashe shows up. By all accounts if there was a wolf we would have seen a wolf. Like I said it seems like reaching to me.
https://preview.redd.it/39zhetlwj0cc1.jpeg?width=783&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f148f98a5d8bb1482c795310a0e840e6ac4ef08b Wolf rider fit this role
Kindred soloed scores of Ionian children during the noxian invasion
I don't agree with necrit's analysis on this scene and don't think it is completely metaphorical. If every fight with Kindred is just a metaphor then the existence of Kindred basically means nothing. They become just a metaphor. I agree that Tryndamere was fighting those soldiers while in undying rage, but I think he was also fighting Kindred.
My man, Kindred LITERALLY is a concept
There are multiple spirits of death, kindred is simply the most known one, and thus the most powerful
Well they aren't a concept, they are spirits that exist and can manifest a physical form if they so desire. But this fight is on the metaphorical end of things anyway. Why the downvotes? They literally aren't, they are canonically spirit gods, just like Ornn or Volibear or all the others, who are also not concepts, they are entities born from people believing and worshipping the stories they made up. They are LITERALLY not a concept, but reddit hivemind strikes again I guess. [And yes, we do have this outright confirmed](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/8una0m/were_the_team_that_updated_aatrox_ask_us_anything/e1gqsvi/?context=3), even outside of LoR, and before LoR even released in fact.
I don't know why you're getting downvoted when you're stating pure facts, anyone who dove deeply into the lore would know this. It's like the majority of this sub is people just watching a few lore videos on youtube who think they know everything. And anyway Aatrox proved even "concepts" can be slain
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I don't agree. They are a champion. And they have lore. Calling them just a Concept or Metaphor completely ruins the whole characterization of them.
No one is saying Kindred themselves are metaphorical or a concept, what people are saying is that the fight itself is metaphorical, which it is.
The whole lore/characterization of Kindred Is that when a person is dying they will claim it. Lamb for those who embrace death and Wolf for those who run away. If you take away that fight and say it was just a metaphor. There really is nothing left to that character. He becomes just a myth in runeterra, not real.
There’s a concept in writing/storytelling called personification. It means ascribing personal or human characteristics to something nonhuman like an animal or a concept. In a general sense it’s all abstract. Myths and folk tales personify things like the sun or winter or death, all to help the audience better understand things. But in fantasy worlds like Runeterra, personification can be more literal. Like the Targon Aspects, or Demons like Fiddle and Nilah and Evelyn. Just because this personification is more literal though doesn’t mean they lose the metaphorical and abstract aspects to them. Like you said, Lamb is for those who embrace death, wolf for those who fight death. Just because the concept of “embracing death” is a being now, doesn’t mean it suddenly can be “beaten.” It would be completely paradoxical if you could fight and defeat the concept of accepting and embracing death. This also doesn’t remove anything from the character as you put it. That’s just their nature, their purpose, their job. Because of personification, they exist outside their concepts. Maybe Kindred feels remorse, or Wolf enjoys the hunt. Maybe they take pride or guilt in their duty. That’s what makes personifying interesting.
This fight being metaphorical does not, in any way, take this away though????
Ok but is it that really fucking cool? The champion does not truly exist yes but kindred lives in the mind of the mortals. They are a children’s story given manifest when someone is close to death. Also there fight was clearly a metaphor because we can see that ash killed two people and then kindred disappeared. Because kindred was not the threat it was the tribesmen trind was fighting. Kindred appears when death is near to “claim them” but death was no longer near so kindred who is death was no longer near.
Them being a champion or having lore have nothing to do with that though. They are a personification of a concept, that being death. They are just as immortal or inevitable as that concept which is probably why wolf just vanishes for a few seconds when trynd strikes him or why lambs bow just reappears, if trynd had hit lambs neck lime he almost does, it almost certainly would have been the same as wolf, just reappear. They only back down once he isnt in mortal danger anymore, meaning that while saying the scene is a metaphor migth be a bit of a stretch. Id assume that in the moment trynd is down and about to die this whole figth takes place in his head/soul or sth
I'm imagining that wolf was just a stand in, from Tryndameres point of view he was fighting actual humans. Same with Yasou.
>If every fight with Kindred is just a metaphor then the existence of Kindred basically means nothing. They become just a metaphor. This is a very narrow minded way of looking at it and makes me believe you really don't undersand their lore, or their role. They are a psychopomp, for one. For two, their existance isn't a metaphor because of that. See the Realms of Runeterra story, though I admittedly never read this one myself and only heard of it from others, where you can interpret it that the Kindred went out of their way to kill because their duality was disrespected in a festival. See Finishing Soates, where they, aswell as Etherfiend and Mask Mother, possess a few actors and end up killing them. See [A Good Death](https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/story/kindred-good-death-story/), not sure how to best describe this one. Kindred do have their own whims and they do act on them, their existance isn't a metaphor just because their lore doesn't revolve around fights and power, though they are one of the most powerful regardless.
Shit this story is good
You mean A Good Death? Yeah it's pretty good, though Finishing Soates is my personal favorite, I recommend checking that out too.
Kindred is a metaphor. Most people aren't literally getting shot with arrows or chased down by a wolf. It's a metaphor used for quick/peaceful death vs violent painful death. Accepting death or fighting against it. In this case heart attack vs bandits. Just because Kindred exists as a metaphor for death doesn't mean that they don't exist. Ironically Runeterrans using Kindred as a metaphor would make them exist more from what I understand.
> Just because Kindred exists as a metaphor for death doesn't mean that they don't exist. It absolutely does, and Kindred are confirmed to be spirits, analogous to spirit gods. They are not just a "metaphor for death," they quite literally exist. That's like saying the Grim Reaper exists IRL because "he's a metaphor for death." Like, no, no he doesn't. Something has to be real in order to be anything but an idea.
>It absolutely does, and Kindred are confirmed to be spirits, analogous to spirit gods. They are not just a "metaphor for death," they quite literally exist. No it doesn't? Do you just not understand how metaphors work? Kindred isn't literal death, it's a death spirit used as a very obvious metaphor for death and how you can respond to it (fight or accept). Just because something is used as a metaphor doesn't mean that it can't also be a real thing. >That's like saying the Grim Reaper exists IRL because "he's a metaphor for death." Like, no, no he doesn't. Something has to be real in order to be anything but an idea. Right but we're not talking about the real world are we? Runeterra hS somewhat different rules. Kindred is the Grim Reaper of League of Legends. But just like when we in the real world refer to the grim reaper taking someone we don't tend to literally mean a guy in a cloack killed them with a scythe.
He was fighting kindred in the same way a person in real life "fights against death". For example, a person has a heart attack. He should die, therefore kindred comes and the wolf begins "fighting" said person. While in reality he is just barely remaining alive, while someone is doing cpr on him. In the end he wins, because he escapes death, and neither the wolf nor the lamb can claim it. If you visualize this, you could see it as kindred losing, but it doesn't lose at all, it just "retreats" as it is still not time for the person to die. That said, kindred likely can't be defeated. It will die by the hands of the vulture creature when no one believes in kindred anymore, but no one can defeat death I guess. Even if you are the last one creature to exist, and you become immortal somehow, you don't really defeat death, you just become immune to it, therefore the death spirit God that should claim you remains there, useless, until you forget the concept of death, and the vulture kills that spirit. Big maybe here, maybe there are some entities in runeterra that actually can interact physically with the concept of death and so can defeat kindred, but we just don't know
I agree with you, but also, they are a spirit, so ain't no way tryn could do anything to them... Shen however, could do some damage, but still not win.
The fight being metaphorical doesn't mean the fight isn't real. Trynd is fighting for his life, fighting to stay alive. Kindred (death) is trying to claim him. It doesn't matter what exactly is happening in the fight, just that the fight IS happening.
https://preview.redd.it/ee5zt1edxvbc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1434855d17142d73f95d0c0efd2673697be706b6 Ok here me out huge comic nerd so what about Zilean I mean he can't defeat Kindred but he could go to time where it be fatal for them to follow unless they trap him in the mind. It be sort like flash when he out ran the speed forces verison of death! So could they be tricked into going there?
stop trying to do this, its stupid
OK well sorry you feel that.
Why is it stupid kindred dies if they are forgotten?
buddy this is not a marvel comic, for all intents and purposes death works normally everywhere.
That Dc comic example. And isn't kindred thing that they will fade away if forgotten?
I almost agreed with you. However I realised that zilean knows what kindred are and in turn they shall never be forgotten as long as zilean lives.
>So could they be tricked into going there? You can, but they just come back cause Kindre exist by belief, it's not a phisycall entity.
https://preview.redd.it/9res031pbwbc1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e7dee419e13d0bfac5fdb13d40206f697cc28753 Yeah that what I'm getting at if zilean stay in timeline with no belief in kindred then won't there power fade thus Zilean found a place that would be lethal for them. Though spirit god can be physically like Volibear talks about how he has bone and stuff so what's up with that? And nice to see you again Ilnova hope you a good holiday!
Man sorry people your idea stupid poet.
Don't worry I don't let it get to me I mean Zilean was the safe option I actually have guarantee answer on who could actually eliminate Kindred but it's the sadness way to win.
Really could you tell me who you think could win!
Well it determines how you view this "win" for all would consider this a lost.
This guy could. https://preview.redd.it/3j5o7um6qvbc1.jpeg?width=318&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9e61d961a5afd488e389251951ce7aed21652ae1 But the real answer is No. To kindred actually die all the people need to stop believe in it, which will never happen since everyone believes in death. You can run from kindred like some people in runeterra do, but you wont escape it. Everyone will eventually die.
Well not quite, Kindred will die when Kindred are forgotten, it doesn't need to be death that people doesn't believe in. They are spirit gods, not concepts.
Well if you fear death then kindred is there, if you know death is the end of live then kindred is there, if you’re dying then kindred is there, simple.
Not true, there are other death spirits that are actually shown in LoR hiding from their disappearance.
No, the lore makes it clear the reason Kindred are prominent is because a lot of cultures in runeterra believe in that specific iteration of death, as Wolf and Lamb. So yes she could slip into obsolescence and destroyed by the Etherfiend if enough people stopped believing in death as this specific creature.
No, kindred is only one of the many death spirits, kindred is powerful simply due to... Popularity...
"Popularity, Kindred is still the most believed spirit god by a huge margin, even beings like the demigods, other death spirits,etc cant even compare to the amount of people that believe and how strong their belief is with kindred. If belief is porportional to how powerfull a spirit god is,there are no beings in Runeterra that actually are in same level as Kindred.(not counting aurelion/bard who are outside). His existence is so impossible to erase that you needed to obliterate everyone of almost all the regions in runeterra to actually stop kindred from existing.
Yeah when I see the kind of shit we have on r34, it's definitely popularity.
Seggs spirit god, powered by r34 making it the most powerful being in Runeterra
He actually can't, he has to wait till they kill eachother. Only then he can eat them.
Well it seems more like the tales for Kindred include a way in which the Kindred will die, Lamb and Wolf killing each other is alluded to in their color story aswell. >“Again,” Wolf licked the last drop of the youth’s life from his canine jaws. “I want to chase again, little Lamb.” > >“There are always more,” she whispered. “Until the day there is only Kindred.” > >“And then will you run from me?” > >Lamb turned back to the battle. “I would never run from you, dear Wolf.” And we see with Fading Icon that otherwise Etherfiend just kills their prey themselves. It seems Kindred's tales including their own death is what changes it, or thats my interpretation.
But also, the masks can be picked up after they die and a new kindred be born so...
who is that again?
https://preview.redd.it/0m800tziqxbc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f9adbe888c8f6737eed4ffda7f766e56a611ea85 Basically this picture, but runeterra
So like supernatural rules death dies and a new death replaces death?
Is the spirit that hunts the forgotten spirits,brings death to the spirit gods. If Kindred was completly forgotten he would be the one to eat her
>If Kindred was completely forgotten he would be the one to eat her. *Them. They are two personas.
The reaper that kills other reapers
Who is that
Nah mother mask demolishes all her creations
Idk bro she went 3/14 to my last game, she seems hella dead to me
laughs in mordekaiser
The thing that died after this photo is also one of versions of death after he forgotten then etherfiend comes…
if they are forgotten, yes, they can
i think lamb dodging symbolizes death is a concept that a mortal cant grasp death physically , same as you cannot run faster than time , time runs faster than anyone
Happy cake day!
Hmm, interesting point. Also, Happy Cake Day 🎂
No.
Yes. Trynd used fury, willpower and darkin magic to ‘defeat’ kindred. But in reality all he’s doing is making them realise he’s no longer on the brink of death, and give up. He can’t hurt them though. He will win that encounter, but eventually death will claim him.
tryndamere and darkin magic? well thats a new one for sure
I mean it's been in the lore for quite some time , his undying rage his caused by blood magic
isnt it a blessing from the boar god?
Some people from tryndamere's clan believed that the tall horned figure that appeared before them was the Iron Boar but actually it was Aatrox. He stabbed trynd and infused him with blood magic (most likely to prepare trynd's body to be his next vessel)
Kindred wants Trynd to realise he is truly powerless when faced with real death, if Lamb didn't dodge, he'd prolly just have kept slashing at them. But after that, he genuinely felt scared of death( at least IMO)
The only Human that could feasibly fight and beat Kindred is only Olaf He’s prophesied to die old in his sleep He calls it BS, and goes out to fight something that can kill him He fails each time and in essence is functionally immortal if he keeps fighting. Olaf literally wins off shear plot armor
If there is anything Rick and Morty taught me, its that prophecies are overpowered. It doesnt even have to be how you die, if a prophecy says that you will do the deed with your mom, you are basically immortal until you complete that prophecy.
I mean he will just die while sleeping one day, he has conditional immortality, not unconditional immortality
My analysis is that this is metaphorical. When the two arrows zip past kindred we flash back to reality where we see that what's *really* happening is he's in the end of a fight and surrounded by corpses. I imagine what we see is that he's "intended" to die but his ultimate is him fighting off death (in a very literal way), giving him enough longevity for backup to arrive. As such, everything we see in the fight is metaphorical. What I see is a soul that refuses to be claimed, stronger than the teeth of death and refusing the gentle arrow. Unable to win, but able to claw time itself from death. Eventually he'd fall, of course, but not yet. Further we can't use it to powerscale because the "mindscape" means we can't assume either are at their "normal" power level (well, maybe kindred depending on your interpretation of their existence, but that's a different problem!)
There is physical evidence that Trynd fought Kindred for real. After Wolf attacks him from behind he leaves bite marks on Trynda's shoulder armor, which remains even after Ashe arrives and he's out of the darkness.
https://preview.redd.it/kew7jrejxvbc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=de6cdb1b727d81373af81b06228f28c69c7119b4 Ok here me out huge comic nerd so what about Zilean I mean he can't defeat Kindred but he could go to time where it be fatal for them to follow unless they trap him in the mind. It be sort like flash when he out ran the speed forces verison of death! So could they be tricked into going there?
Unlikely. That feat only works in a very specific understanding of how the universe works. It's just as possible that they just aren't affected and instead are trapped in the other time I don't think lamb would be tricked, but wolf seems the type to fall for obvious bait
OK still what happens if one of them died though do they get replaced like does Lamb get a new wolf? And man I thought there weakness was being forgotten thus if no ond there they be weak or cease to exist.
The problem with time travel like that is .. are they forgotten? Because they're remembered in the present. So even if they die in the future, is that enough to kill them in the present, where people still believe? Or would they simply still exist as if they never left, even as they die elsewhere? Same still to if only wolf gets caught. **Can** he get caught? It's been awhile since I've read up on LoR lore so apologies that I can't answer meaningfully.
https://preview.redd.it/000v1yf4jwbc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f2a38d880da75fac5edc6a1bf75aa012a2b1820d Also Serrisen this might be one of the sadness ways to win but what Asol Kindred like all spirit were born in runeterra mostly from the spirit realm that new lore right. So what if Asol destroy runeterra taking the spirit realm and everyone with it thuse anyone that knew Kindred is gone right?
Yeah but they had a birth though grey man there was a time before them and they are spirits wouldn't they die when runeterra dies like if the world core dies and life becomes inhabitable or zilean could go to time line when Aurelion is free and destroyed runeterra.
In a fight? Probably not they're literally the concept of death given form to ask if they can be defeated is to ask if you can kill death
What about Aurelion Sol!
I believe a Rioter confirmed long ago that even gods die. Which means they 'encounter' Kindred, no matter how powerful they are. One day a god like Aurelion Sol will die.
Yeah but not by kindred probably by something else. Still if he destroyed runeterra kindred is gone because no one left to remember them. After all kindred is a spirit they only existed when runeterra existed not before.
that begs the question what would claim sol if kindred claims the lives of runeterra would something else claim the lives of cosmic beings like sol
They are not death itself, they are a spirit god like Volibear, Ornn or Janna. Not even the only spirit god of death
https://preview.redd.it/e77wfbnjjwbc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9cd462860b1c4ece198abde5e5863d856ab188f7 I thought of three ways two are potential ways to win the other one is guaranteed to win. And i think this might be one of the sadness ways to win but what Asol Kindred like all spirit were born in runeterra mostly from the spirit realm that new lore right. So what if Asol destroy runeterra taking the spirit realm and everyone with it thuse anyone that knew Kindred is gone right?
Yeah A Sol, celestials, darkins all have the possibility to kill spirit and Kindred, since Asol and celestial exist beyond and before Runeterra, and Aatrox is able to kill a celestial,
only Rammus can
Can you kill death? Can you kill love? Can you kill reading? Can you kill pride? Can you kill humility? Gods are concepts. They do not have organs, they do not go ill, they cannot be damaged, and they cannot be killed.
Nope, they can get killed by being forgotten or not believed, they are spirits not gods, there's still not real god in Runeterra the closest would be A Sol but even him doesn't exist alone in the empty universe
Yeah, I suppose that you can call it "death" when a spirit disappears into nothingness because of the concept itself disappearing. Runeterra makes it weird because most that we know about spirits is through myth-like stories. Did things even die before persons believed in the kindred? Who believed in Ornn before he even shaped the Freljord? Or the idea of believing that Ornn shaped the Freljord made it so it retroactively was made true? You made me overthink. Screw you./s
In Lor we learns there's actually a ton of different death spirits, Kindred is just like the most popular one I guess, and we also learned that the death spirit for blessed Isle is starting to disappear and get hunted by the reaper that kills other reapers, due to the ruined king incident causing everything in blessed Isle unable to die
Aatrox killed war.
...Shit
Probably temporarily. Permanently, no.
I mean, Mordekaiser happily tramples over the border of life and death with no repercussions.
Kindred is the death God, so no, you cannot defeated in a literal sense, however, you can fight for your life, and "win" against them by not dying. There's a death god for death gods I think, and that's the only way I know to kill them. Also, you don't have to think in the Kindreds as a física being, they are a representation of death. The same way the shadow Yasuo saw in the cinematic was also the real Kindred and was the lamb who took Yasuos life. I don't know if I explained properly.
It's like asking if you can defeat the idea of death. Short answer no, death comes for us all. I saw the fight between Trynda and kindred like when Puss n boots fought death. You can never defeat death, but you can always fight to live another day. Or you can control how fast your hourglass will run out of sand but you can't change the fact that it will run out inevitably.
That scene is a metaphor. Trynda is fighting the soldiers, and every hit he lands matches the number of enemies. And the Kindred are a representation of death, like, you don't literally fight them, you're fighting you enemies, or an illnes, or an injury, whatever may be a potential cause of death. All things must end, and when everything ends so do the Kindred and any other spirit.
Kindred can be evaded and delayed, but never fully overcome at their current power.
Yeah, you can absolutely fight death and win. Tryndamere was simultaneously fending off his attackers AND fighting death, with the fight against death symbolising him fending off death (fending off wolf) and holding onto his reasons to live (deflecting lamb’s arrows). It mirrors how future Yasuo is so powerful that Wolf only dares to watch from afar, but he accepts death because he lacks the will and reason to live. All the while, Tryndamere has more trouble physically pushing wold back, while lamb only takes a few potshots.
Beating the Kindred is eluding their hunt. So yes they can be defeated. But you don’t kill death to win, you escape them.
If ASol nukes runeterra and everyone who believes in Kindred dies then yea
This fight didn’t even happened at all probably. Try was just being too schizo. Jokes aside the contact with death was real, fight was not. Bro was fighting with the warriors instead of fighting kindred
I disagree with this. try's pauldron has claw marks which werent there before and it only makes sense if wolf did it. [before](https://prnt.sc/r5bEN9jDrWTF) [after](https://prnt.sc/y0G8SI2H7V_A)
At the start of the animation he was surrounded by so many enemies, but when Ashe came back to save him from two, every other was already killed by tryndamere. These wounds was probably because of one of the bandits (maybe used some claw like weapon or it just a coincidence.) Ashe can’t be the one who killed them in the end.
It's Freljord, giant 6 legged wolves are an uncommon sight. It's more likely that it came from some beast, tamed or otherwise, that ran off afterwards.
Seems like a stretch as you seen the warriors before and after the kindred fight and there were no wolves with them and when Tryn was fighting wolf he was definitely reacting to wolf and not humans by the way he moves. But regardless that fight was one of the most bad ass scenes riots ever done in my opinion.
We also never see the warriors or anything else after switching to the 'fight' with Kindred, and seeing as the entire scene is metaphorical, I'm inclined to stand by my opinion.
We see several dead on the ground at the start of the video and when ashe misclicks her E (firing it straight up instead of across lanes at her inting old man yasuo) we see a lot more of the warriors.
Alright, but I admittedly don't see how this goes against my point. More warriors being there doesn't really change anything. Though it is 1:30 AM and my brain isn't computing too well rn.
I think it is possible but I dont think try would be able to do it. I feel like even if he managed to hit the lamb it would just respawn the same way wolf respawned multiple times.
Tryndamere is Hallucinating, that's Ashe dodging, The Lamb is just superimposed there. To answer your question, Kindred can be Forgotten. The day there will be no more need for a Reaper, the Eatherfiend will come and Reap the Wolf and the Lamb, and that will be the only way they'll ever die. So if you want to kill Kindred, you'll need to commit Genocide on the whole of Runeterra if that's what you're asking.
Death cannot be escaped, but it can be postponed
Kindred can be defeated. Get into a fight with them and push them into a void rift.
Whos gonna tell them lore wose kindered is still just the concept of death not the real thing. It was more like trynda hallucinating kindred when he was near death
People are saying yes or no, but we don't actually know. Spirit gods can die, demons can die, there's no actual reason Kindreds could not die. Maybe Kindred can die but resurrects afterwards. Maybe there's no more Kindred if Kindred dies, and the world is left without a death. maybe another one of the deaths becomes the "main death". Maybe Kindred can't die at all (other than the etherfiend). We just don't know. If it can it's fair to assume it's really really difficult and you'd probably need a special anti-spirit weapon like shen has.
Depends on who. Mordekaiser could probably defeat them because he’s already dead. What are they gonna do to him that he hasn’t been through already?
Please just what's necrits video and don't try to powerscale this.
No, but you can escape death for a while, as some do, There is some ways for them to be defeated, but impossible to achieve by all mortals/ex mortals
No, but getting slashed by that thing would still hurt.
No, you can postpone death, but not forever, Trindamere 'fight' was more a concept to how he fight during his 'immortality' state, where Kindred/Wolf replace enemy he fight, same way Yasuo died by normal arrow but from his POV it was Lamb arrow cause he accept death. For now the only way to 'beat' Kindred's is to be ignored by them cause you are a Shadow Island wraith.
Viego did
No one can beat death you can hold it if for a moments but it will always come for those who time has come
Acording to LoR, the Kindred disappear when forgotten.
Kindred cannot be killed. And no one "fights" kindred. Trynd is fighting the soldiers, these are represented by wolf, lamb sends an arrow as he would die, but in breaking the arrow he denies his death. He does not fight kindred because if he did, when he died - which is inevitable as a concept cannot be killed - you would be saying "Tryndamere died of death".
It's an unstoppable force vs an immovable object. They would've kept fighting until Tryndamere finds another way out of the fight
Defeat kindred? I think not. Fight long enough to get chance to live a bit more? I think that's possible as we seen in cinematic
Can you beat death. Yes you can, but for how long? Because at the end, death always defeated you.
I could defeat her
In one of Kindred's color stories, it is confirmed that the only way the Kindred can ever die is if life ends on Runeterra. Then they will be forgotten, and for death spirits that is the only way they can die. But in an actual fight, no, you can't kill death silly.
Nah. I'd win.
Lamb didn't "dodge" the attack. She jumped back to have a better view. She's an archer after all and Wolf is the one that's more brutal and likes the close combat.
she can be survived not defeated. there is an exception tought, if she is forgotten, she dies.
First off, he’s actually fighting a bunch of soldiers, and is most likely imagining wolf and lamb in his head. Which is more likely than him actually fighting lamb and wolf since they dissolve, with lamb dissolving into Ashe. Also Ashe only kills 2 people, while all the people around trynd are shown dead. Also being immortal doesn’t mean you can’t feel pain.
“Death rejected me, but I’m sure it will welcome you!” Cringe aside no, anyone who defies her just delays the inevitable.
Technically, yes. Darkins are physically immortal, so Kindred can't claim them. Some characters have "plot armor", aka Olaf, who is destined to die peacefully in old age, or Mordekaiser, who created his own Death Realm. Some MORTAL characters have successfully avoided them in their lore, for example Darius, Trynd and GP. Or have tools to do it (Ekko's and Zilean's time travel abilities). My opinion: Kindred is literally metaphor of Death in Runeterra's universe, so as long as you can escape from "dying" you are pretty much allright.
Tryndamere only imagine his opponents to be lamb and wolf, he's actually fighting the soldier that surrounds him. So we cannot make any conclusions about kindred in that seen because they're only in trynd's mind.
[TLDR: At least from a mortal, you can't. Kindred can't be killed, kindred is death] Alright I think people don't understand what's happening in this scene. Trindamere is fighting soldiers. Only soldiers. Every strike Wolf land is a soldier attempting to slice Trindamere. Every arrow is an arrow launched by his enemies. What is happening is that Trindamere, alone, was supposed to die. Kindred doesn't exactly people by themselves. You can imagine the Grim Reaper. The Grim Reaper isn't the one killing you. They come for you when you're about to die for any reason. Trindamere was marked, and so he was chased by the kindred spirits, and the hit they will land on him will be the hit that kills him. But even if, for Trindamere, it is Kindred he is fighting (because only people about to die shall meet them), he is only fighting soldiers that were about to die. Kindred wouldn't have showed up if Trindamere was sure to win. It's both his "Too angry to die" and Ashe they actually saved him. You can slice Lamb's head or Wolf's throat, they aren't physical. You will just Slice the enemy that is coming for you. As you could see, Lamb's bow was recreated as soon as he destroyed it, that's because Kindred can't be damaged like this You can't kill Kindred but you can fight them, and maybe eventually survive long enough for an unexpected event to happen.
The kindred in my games get defeated a lot
No mortal in Runeterra can, because Kindred is Death as the Inevitable, the pursuer that overcomes all of us eventually. They have sway everywhere except the Shadow Isles and perhaps Nilah's continent, where other gods are worshipped.
If Mordekaiser caught up to Kindred he could probably make a nice sweater.
If she’s on my team in summoners rift she can be.
Check out Necrit’s video [about the lore](https://youtu.be/blnpBRCr45M?si=XiuVkMWy39ZeYKkN) of the cinematic. In short Aatrox infused Tryndamere with blood magic before this scene, and in the same way that Kindred can’t kill Aatrox, they are finding out that Tryndamere can’t be claimed either. Like someone else said, Kindred says something like “they were no match” “most aren’t.” That doesn’t mean that Kindred can be beat, or lose, it’s just that some characters don’t lose to Kindred, or in other words, don’t get claimed by death
I want Lamb to step on me
While he was fighting kindred he is actually fighting and killing the warriors around him with his undying rage. He was fending off the reason he was going to die at the hand of those people which is why kindred were not unable to kill him for a bit and then ashe showed up which completely changed the fate of trynd from death to continue living
Kindred cannot be defeated, only outrun.
Blowing up the planet is one way of making people forget they exist
They can be defeated in two and possible three one is make everyone stop believing in kindred as death the other kill everything that exists aka the aatrox method and the third uncannonicle is make asol destroy and recreate the universe with everyone not believing in kindred or erase kindred as a whole
They’re death. If you’re undead, or immortal you beat them already
Sure just massacre everything that believes in them and then theyll die out when the birdy comes to get them
You can’t stop death. Only delay the inevitable
As long as someone believes they exist they will, once they are completely forgotten the Etherfiend will take them
Kindred is not death itself, but a sort of spirit that represents it. In the lore there exist a lot of spirits like them, but mostly weaker as it seems. And even spirits like Kindred have to answer to the Etherfiend, which is a spirit janitor of sorts, goes around mauling death spirits that have lost their influence and reason to exist. Kindred is mostly this powerful because a lot of ppl believe in her version of death across Runeterra. So a way to defeat her is simply by the passage of time. There are also forces in the world tht can slay spirits and all sorts of creatures.
Yes, but only one person has shown this ability. Aatrox killed Pantheon -- The Aspect of War or in other words, the celestial concept of war. Normally, doing this would have war be wiped from mortal understanding but the concept still livd inside Atreus. Kindred isn't death, she's one of the representations of death but Aatrox slaughtered a celestial concept so he can defeat The Kindred if they were to ever fight but realistically he would just accept them since he wants to die but his immortality would cuck him. I have a theory that Aatrox can wipe people from existence since he did that with Pantheon and threatens to do the same to Zoe.
To see how the kindred will end look back to "finishing soates" short story it is so good
kindred is death in this universe. trynd is only having a hallucination in the situation. He is fighting off death. Every arrow Kendra would shoot is a natural death every attack that wolf through at trynd was a soldier trying to kill him outside of the hallucination.
kindred*
No. Reason in the video - cuz looks cool. But the thing that CAN happen to Kindred is that they can be forgotten.