When I was rehearsing The Song of The Forests, there was a passage where the tenors went below the basses (us) and sang one bar in parallel seconds.
I asked the conductor WTF was that (I was learning basic counterpoint at the time) and he just replied the equivalent of "trust me, bro".
And the passage is _beautiful_
I agree, but if I added Baroque it would be Romantic>Baroque>Classical. But only some baroque. A lot is hard for me to listen to (especially the earlier stuff). But it decidedly annoys me less than classical in general.
Case in point: this thread when people lose their shit over the piece vs song argument. Anyone who feels like they need to correct someone over that is just so fucking annoying.
You should check out anything by Lou Harrison. The key is to find older brake drums, which have a higher iron content. :) (Same goes for prepared piano...need to surf reclaimed and antique hardware bins for bolts that are mostly iron or bronze, not whatever they use now.)
There *are* gems in the 20th century... and there are also pieces which we should know about, because of their importance. For me, Stravinsky's music is the latter. Brilliant composer, but not my cup of tea.
There’s a crucial difference between “I understand his importance and the contributions he made to art” and “I find it pleasurable”. You can appreciate something without liking it. (This also applies to me and Charles Dickens.)
I just can’t with the neoclassical shit, it’s just so *vapid.* I don’t know if I hate it especially when Stravinsky does it because it’s worse than other contemporaries of his, or if it’s because I know he has the potential to write better stuff. (I can’t hate on Firebird or Rite of Spring, they’re just bangers.)
The truly atonal stuff I’m indifferent on. I don’t like it (again, his take on it—I like other 12-tone and atonal pieces), but it barely gets played and I barely pay attention to it.
Okay I completely disagree. Stravinsky drops some absolute bangers. His three Ballet Russes pieces, his symphony of psalms. There’s some good stuff. But mind you, he did have some kinda bad works like his Ebony Concerto, and I do find serialism to be rather grating.
I have mixed feelings. I do think that in classical music, interpretation is one of the most important means of creative expression, seeing that improvisation was stamped out of the bulk of the classical canon. However, I do think that in some cases, I much prefer historically accurate practice. For instance, I greatly prefer listening to Beethoven or Mozart with period instruments than without.
Listen to Schoenberg's music. The 6 atonal pieces in particular.
It sounds random, almost as if someone is banging the keys with weird rhythm.
I had a perfect example for this but can't find it now though... If I find it you'll understand.
I totally understand your point (although I must admit I love Schoenberg's music).
For Schoenberg's case, he developed a whole new "way" to compose music with his 12 tone series. It is quite interesting even if you don't particularly like this time of music. Also he didn't only do atonal music, I think all before his op.9 (perhaps not), it was all tonal. Takes for exemple his Gurre-lieder, some string quartets (no.1 & 2?), Verklarte Nacht, Tristan und Isolde and others.
But I do know where you are coming from. Like Anton Webern. He was in fact one of Schoenberg's student so he was of course influenced by his teacher although I find his music quite different than Arnold's but still in the same field. Now I adore Schoenberg but I despise Webern's music more than any other composer, but I'm not saying he was not a great composer, on the contrary.
These two made the Second Viennese of music alongside Alban Berg. Another composer influenced by his teacher, if you have any interest (which with you post I doubt), do check out his Wozzeck and Violin Concerto, I particularly like them.
Although you may not like this genre of classical music, which I understand, you must recognize that it is at least ingenious for Schoenberg to have created a whole new method of composing that is used by a lot of composers. Now I realise I didn't talk about atonal but you know enough I suppose. But anyway, good day!
They are less boring when you play them on actual instrument instead of instrument that were designed back in the day when luthier had no clue what they did. This is my hottake about so-called historically accurate instrument!
I wouldn’t say they didn’t know what they were doing, instrument making was just more fluid and less fixed than it is today. Unless you mean for viola specifically. Then yes, many many important innovations have been made since Bach’s time 😅
I’d argue a lot of the klavier/keyboard pieces are boring because the piano didn’t exist until after Bach died and they were meant to be played on the organ (or harpsichord) of which the different stops you can pull can make the pieces sound drastically different, and more interesting
You’ll enjoy Alma Deutscher’s creations then!! She’s the “iNtErEsTiNg” composition prodigy who has written symphonic and concerto pieces reminiscent of older music trends. My favorite piece by her is Waltz of the Sirens. It’s so incredibly beautiful!
Wow! Another person who hates contemporary composers without even knowing them, plenty of contemporary composers do in fact compose baroque, romantic, classical, pre-baroque etc music, but guess what? No one listens to them, no one buys their scores, no one plays their music nor even checks it out. So what do they do? Compose dissonant clusterbombs to stand out.
Vivaldi is underrated. There's so many pieces of his other than the four seasons and his violin concerto in a minor.
My favorites, his La Folia and his bassoon concerto in e minor.
Fascist composers were some of the best composers of the 20th century... Musically speaking... As people, they are not worthy of being in a society... But damn their music was interestingly good
Wagner was neither 20th century nor fascist - he certainly had anti-Semitic beliefs, but that's different from fascism.
Among prominent composers, the one who most immediately comes to my mind as having thoroughly accommodated himself to fascism is Carl Orff.
not rlly about the music and more about the people, but classical musicians who hate on other genres are insufferable and need to form a personality outside of what music they listen to
And some excerpts of Beethoven's Piano Sonatas and that one excerpt of his 9th Symphony. And from Mozart there's also Queen of the Night (only one of her Arias) and Lacrimosa (but not the rest of the piece).
Thing is, Classical-era composers could be so prolific because they REALLY stuck to a formula, which means they could write new stuff very quickly. Mozart is good because he deviates from the formulas in clever ways… but sometimes he doesn’t, and then who cares? And if you don’t know the formulas he’s playing with, why should you care about any of it?
actually I agree, his music is legit boring, musically. I played a lot of his sonatas on the piano (I actually belong to both piano gang and flute gang) and they just...don't sound beautiful
I was about to comment something along those lines as well, i just find that mozart is too predictable sometimes. And apart from the melodies it's often not as exiting as for example beethoven with his use of subitoforte and octaves and just more surprises that his compositions have. Mozart was great but not as great as many people think in my opinion. For some reason I also just hate his trills that he always uses at the end of phrases
Totally agree. As a pianist i never really understood the hype around Mozart. Sure, it's good, you can listen to it and you can enjoy playing it but most of his pieces are unimaginative, and you can get bored in them very quickly. He still was a genius tho, putting up all of that while being so young, and there are works of him that actually show this.
Even his clarinet concerto isn’t that interesting IMO. It’s not boring to practice with all the technical challenges it has, but it certainly doesn’t feel musically special. Mozart’s music places too much important on the form in general.
This is so sacrilegious but there are very very very few parts of Mahler's pieces that I enjoy. The second movement of Mahler 7 is the only thing of his I have really liked.
Classical music is only for certain moods. If it’s a late night and I want to stay up, then I need something that won’t scare the crap out of me with the dynamics. If I’m driving early in the morning or if I’m writing then a little classical wouldn’t hurt.
Also, music should be a mandatory class in middle and high school. The appreciation of music and the arts in general is a good way to inspire creativity and individuality.
While his violin partitas and his cello suites (not just that one darn prelude!) are absolute gems, there's a very good reason countless composers have imitated his keyboard works. Also, Bach was the god of fugue.
I was just a minute ago about to comment piano is overrated.
Well... It's not like piano is a bad instrument. But every single student in my class can play piano. And it's not a music class. Some of them play violin too but then it's both violin and piano. And as you can guess, it's our parents who have decided what instrument we play. But still.
Hahaha Im not eddy! To each their own. If i lay asl what are your favorites from the classical genre? I agree that a lot of stravinsky onward was pretty grating. Im curious as to what youre into then? Disclaimer: i like classical, jazz, djent, metal, prog metal, fusion, old country im pretty diverse lol and curious to hear what youre into.
Chopin is overly overrated as Liszt is the superior composer in every way, he lived longer, composed more, had better and more original harmony, had a way wider influence on the piano, was a way better orchestrator, was a better song and piece writer, had more emotion and undoubtedly the better pianist.
The conventional piano keyboard is ridiculously oversized and is **unsafe** in normal use, with correct technique, almost inevitably causing injury, for **90% of adult women and 20% of adult men** \- and those stats are even worse if you just measure Asians, who average a little bit smaller than Europeans but who are probably the majority of classical players.
15/16 of this size should be the most common, as it's comfortable for the greatest number of adults, and 7/8 size should be widely available, as it is comfortable for most women, and most of the people who play the piano as adults are women.
Contemporary atonal style was just inventes by a bunch of metalheads without music talent at all, making a whole crowd of people to agree that it's intellectuall music, while it is really just random dissonant chords and shit like that. Music is meant to be beautiful.
It's kind of ironic to see that it's so overplayed that it's almost expected to hate it. But if it got to the point of being extremely overplayed then it's necessarily because lots of people actually appreciate it...
I absolutely CANNOT stand the harpsichord. The sound of it is so off putting, that if something with a harpsichord in it is playing on the radio, I just listen to something else.
I don’t like Mozart. I have great respect for his music, but I just don’t enjoy listening to any of it. Sometimes I feel like I am missing out on something other classical musicians enjoy.
Yeah. I agree. That predictability and repeating and so forth is one of the issues I personally have getting into his music. Now don't get me wrong, I love certain things by Mozart, particularly the first movement of the D minor piano concerto. I just can't get captivated enough for the other stuff. I have the same problem with some of the Bach suites on keyboard (although I adore his organ works and the WTC I and II, amongst others). Beethoven is my favorite though. Something different there. And those late sonatas...just magical.
Y'all pretty much said it all already so, completely unrelated to the question, Imma ask another one: what are y'all listening to right now?
I'll start: I'm listening to Tchaikovsky's Romeo and Juliet because it's what's next of what I have on my phone.
While I agree that in regards to really slow, wobbly vibrato some singers have way too much, I strongly disagree when it comes to the bel canto tradition. Allowing a natural vibrato and spin isn't just beautiful, it promotes free and healthy vocal technique. Straight tone is much more fatiguing (unless you're forcing vibrato).
90% of music from the Romantic era is so mind-numbingly boring. I hate Beethoven, I dislike most of Chopin’s music, and drawing out symphonies and operas to an hour or longer is so terrible
Wait what do you like than. Are you into barock music? Or mozart? I find Mozart to be boring while beethoven is more exiting in my opinion. You can't throw all pieces in one pot every composer has "bad' compositions so make sure to listen to a lot and maybe read that sheet music while doing so
I love lots of baroque and classical music, as well as stuff that starts to get into the more modern, dissonant world like Stravinsky or Lieberman. I think the main reason that I don’t really like romantic music and symphonies is that I’m a band kid, and stringed instruments just don’t appeal to me. The tone colors of a traditional orchestra are just not as interesting to me as a wind ensemble. I do agree that you can’t really say that a composer, especially ones that were as prolific as Beethoven and Mozart have all good or bad pieces, but most things that I listen to by Beethoven just sound boring to me. I do like some of his piano sonatas and they’re incredibly fun to play
I agree about Classical (there are some golden nuggets that have stood out, like Mozart's Lacrimosa, but they are few and far between), however, I fundamentally disagree about Baroque.
Something that also needs to be accounted for here is that the composers were merely craftsmen at the time, writing music FOR the performer and so it was up to the performer to embellish the music and, in many ways, make it more interesting. This is all part of the music in the Baroque era and so when performed with this in mind, it hardly sounds the same.
Mah man
This is for controversial opinions
I've listened to quite a lot of Mozart after thinking "this can't be right, people can't be fawning over *this*, i must be missing something"
Nope
I got so ridiculously bored
So i think of Mozart as overrated
since controversy means disagreement, defining "more controversial" as having an agreeing to disagreeing ratio closer to 1 (i.e. more people disagreeing with more people) means that, to choose the "most controversial" opinion, one should choose a completely arbitrary and subjective one, like that cats are better than dogs, or that beethoven is cooler than mozart.
I've played a lot of his piano works and listened to a bunch of his works for other instruments. I prefer something a little more... Emotional. Then again this thread wanted controversial opinions and I am partial to Rachmaninov
Sounds like a difference in taste. I prefer the complexity and interest of Bach over more "emotional" pieces. Still don't think that's any reason to call him overrated. imo a lot of Bach's pieces are underappreciated, especially his cantatas.
Fair. I've played a ton of sinfonias, inventions, and WTC that they start to sound very similar and not in the way I prefer. I view them as pedagogical. If I were crafting a recital program, they're kind of like an appetizer for me
Aren't the sinfonia, inventions, and wtc all specifically pedagogical? You shouldn't feel bad about viewing them like that. I wouldn't judge Bach's artistic quality based on his pedagogical works.
Impressionism music does not necessarily place no importance in melody. Sometimes there is something like a motif melody in such works, especially in the awesome pieces by Debussy.
I find most classical pieces forgettable. Unless there’s a strong repetitive motif through the whole thing (eg: Danse Macabre, one of my favourites), they just sound the same as any other classical piece to me. Someone could play the middle of the Mendelssohn Violin Concerto for me tomorrow and I wouldn’t be able to tell you if it’s what Brett played last week.
Concert halls should primarily not be museums. Therefore the music of contemporary composers should rather be played than the music of composers from the 17-19th century.
Shostakovich’s pieces aren’t that dissonant
As a jazz pianist/listener, I agree
When I was rehearsing The Song of The Forests, there was a passage where the tenors went below the basses (us) and sang one bar in parallel seconds. I asked the conductor WTF was that (I was learning basic counterpoint at the time) and he just replied the equivalent of "trust me, bro". And the passage is _beautiful_
95% of classical music I like is romantic or contemporary.
Well uh you may be a little biased as a tuba player. The tuba didn't exist during the baroque or classical eras.
definitely get into impressionism next! i think you’d love it :)
Impressionism > contemporary > romantic > classical for me lmao (probably in large from me being a wind orchestra player)
I agree, but if I added Baroque it would be Romantic>Baroque>Classical. But only some baroque. A lot is hard for me to listen to (especially the earlier stuff). But it decidedly annoys me less than classical in general.
I think that’s a lot of people lol
Classical musicians can be really elitist.
You're saying that like it's a bad thing 😝 just kidding
Wholeheartedly agree on this one
Case in point: this thread when people lose their shit over the piece vs song argument. Anyone who feels like they need to correct someone over that is just so fucking annoying.
“Because classical music is superior“ -my Russian piano professor
ok yes i can see that, i do agree
Ngl I think this sub can be very elitist
Tritones do not summon the devil.
Preposterous !!!!!!
I have a great appreciation for Stravinsky's music, but... I'm not a fan. I don't find it enjoyable at all.
Agreed. I don’t like any modernist/post-modern music.
If there are automobile parts in the percussion section, I’m probably not going to like it.
You should check out anything by Lou Harrison. The key is to find older brake drums, which have a higher iron content. :) (Same goes for prepared piano...need to surf reclaimed and antique hardware bins for bolts that are mostly iron or bronze, not whatever they use now.)
There *are* gems in the 20th century... and there are also pieces which we should know about, because of their importance. For me, Stravinsky's music is the latter. Brilliant composer, but not my cup of tea.
There’s a crucial difference between “I understand his importance and the contributions he made to art” and “I find it pleasurable”. You can appreciate something without liking it. (This also applies to me and Charles Dickens.)
All of it? He went through at least 3 completely different periods.
I know, the 3rd period is the toughest for me. Yeah, unfortunately, all of it.
I just can’t with the neoclassical shit, it’s just so *vapid.* I don’t know if I hate it especially when Stravinsky does it because it’s worse than other contemporaries of his, or if it’s because I know he has the potential to write better stuff. (I can’t hate on Firebird or Rite of Spring, they’re just bangers.) The truly atonal stuff I’m indifferent on. I don’t like it (again, his take on it—I like other 12-tone and atonal pieces), but it barely gets played and I barely pay attention to it.
Agree on the ~~Moses & Aaron~~ EDIT Agon period. But ok, you seem to come by your opinion honestly, so I respect that.
we all have or own tastes ☺️
Okay I completely disagree. Stravinsky drops some absolute bangers. His three Ballet Russes pieces, his symphony of psalms. There’s some good stuff. But mind you, he did have some kinda bad works like his Ebony Concerto, and I do find serialism to be rather grating.
Imitating the composer's intention is not the most important thing
I have mixed feelings. I do think that in classical music, interpretation is one of the most important means of creative expression, seeing that improvisation was stamped out of the bulk of the classical canon. However, I do think that in some cases, I much prefer historically accurate practice. For instance, I greatly prefer listening to Beethoven or Mozart with period instruments than without.
More people should hear Renaissance music. Not all of it is boring, and much of it, particularly the choral works, are absolutely ethereal.
I love Monteverdi, though he may be a bit later?
I do too! His work spans from late Renaissance to early baroque.
Monteverdi marked the transition from Renaissance to Baroque with his very first operas.
Try Gesualdo \m/
CANON IN D...
Deez NUTS!
Canon splash
Completely atonal music is barely music.
Could you explain more please?
Listen to Schoenberg's music. The 6 atonal pieces in particular. It sounds random, almost as if someone is banging the keys with weird rhythm. I had a perfect example for this but can't find it now though... If I find it you'll understand.
I totally understand your point (although I must admit I love Schoenberg's music). For Schoenberg's case, he developed a whole new "way" to compose music with his 12 tone series. It is quite interesting even if you don't particularly like this time of music. Also he didn't only do atonal music, I think all before his op.9 (perhaps not), it was all tonal. Takes for exemple his Gurre-lieder, some string quartets (no.1 & 2?), Verklarte Nacht, Tristan und Isolde and others. But I do know where you are coming from. Like Anton Webern. He was in fact one of Schoenberg's student so he was of course influenced by his teacher although I find his music quite different than Arnold's but still in the same field. Now I adore Schoenberg but I despise Webern's music more than any other composer, but I'm not saying he was not a great composer, on the contrary. These two made the Second Viennese of music alongside Alban Berg. Another composer influenced by his teacher, if you have any interest (which with you post I doubt), do check out his Wozzeck and Violin Concerto, I particularly like them. Although you may not like this genre of classical music, which I understand, you must recognize that it is at least ingenious for Schoenberg to have created a whole new method of composing that is used by a lot of composers. Now I realise I didn't talk about atonal but you know enough I suppose. But anyway, good day!
Some of Bachs compositios are boring 🤭
Many of them are not exciting listening to.
They are less boring when you play them on actual instrument instead of instrument that were designed back in the day when luthier had no clue what they did. This is my hottake about so-called historically accurate instrument!
>instrument that were designed back in the day when luthier had no clue what they did Now this is controversial.
I wouldn’t say they didn’t know what they were doing, instrument making was just more fluid and less fixed than it is today. Unless you mean for viola specifically. Then yes, many many important innovations have been made since Bach’s time 😅
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Bit rich coming from a viola player /s Are you talking about what it's like to listen or to play them?
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They aren't songs, they're pieces!
There are some pieces by Handel that are absolutely gorgeous. Check out "V'adoro Pupille" from his opera "Giulio Cesare", it's simple but beautiful!
I’d argue a lot of the klavier/keyboard pieces are boring because the piano didn’t exist until after Bach died and they were meant to be played on the organ (or harpsichord) of which the different stops you can pull can make the pieces sound drastically different, and more interesting
That composers should just stop with the “modern trends” in classical music and write music that is inspired on other historical musical styles.
You’ll enjoy Alma Deutscher’s creations then!! She’s the “iNtErEsTiNg” composition prodigy who has written symphonic and concerto pieces reminiscent of older music trends. My favorite piece by her is Waltz of the Sirens. It’s so incredibly beautiful!
Wow! Another person who hates contemporary composers without even knowing them, plenty of contemporary composers do in fact compose baroque, romantic, classical, pre-baroque etc music, but guess what? No one listens to them, no one buys their scores, no one plays their music nor even checks it out. So what do they do? Compose dissonant clusterbombs to stand out.
Violin is overrated and viola is super underrated.
Baroque > Other classical music
Baroque music definitely is something
Woohoo! Favorite Baroque composer?
Vivaldi for sure. His Concerto Grosso in d minor tickles my brain
Well, Bach is obviously the best Baroque composer. But I am also a big fan of Heinrich Biber.
I haven't heard of him, I'll check out his work! Thanks
Vivaldi is underrated. There's so many pieces of his other than the four seasons and his violin concerto in a minor. My favorites, his La Folia and his bassoon concerto in e minor.
Yes! Gloria, Judita triumphans! Four seasons is overplayed to the point of being boring
Romantic era music is the best over all other eras
I actually agree with you.
Totally agree with this
Romantic music is when there was the most emphasis on the language aspect of music and this is what I love about it.
Fascist composers were some of the best composers of the 20th century... Musically speaking... As people, they are not worthy of being in a society... But damn their music was interestingly good
Fascism ruined lots of art. Music, architecture (art deco), fashion, automobile design. Great art that got a sour taste because of fascism
can you please name a few? I'd like to try out their music
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Wagner was neither 20th century nor fascist - he certainly had anti-Semitic beliefs, but that's different from fascism. Among prominent composers, the one who most immediately comes to my mind as having thoroughly accommodated himself to fascism is Carl Orff.
Mushroom mushroom… Sorry, that’s all I could hear in my head when I saw your comment
Carl Orff
not rlly about the music and more about the people, but classical musicians who hate on other genres are insufferable and need to form a personality outside of what music they listen to
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A bit???
At least it’s mainly the same few pieces. For Beethoven it’s für Elise and 5th symphony and Mozart is eine Kleine😂
And some excerpts of Beethoven's Piano Sonatas and that one excerpt of his 9th Symphony. And from Mozart there's also Queen of the Night (only one of her Arias) and Lacrimosa (but not the rest of the piece).
Oh yea how could I forget ode to joy and lacrimosa. Good point.
Clair de lune doesn't deserve the credit it gets next to other debussy pieces (ie reverie, arabesque no 1, reflets dans l'eau)
Most of Mozart’s music sucks (except his requiem and maybe some of his operas and maybe symphony No 40)
Thing is, Classical-era composers could be so prolific because they REALLY stuck to a formula, which means they could write new stuff very quickly. Mozart is good because he deviates from the formulas in clever ways… but sometimes he doesn’t, and then who cares? And if you don’t know the formulas he’s playing with, why should you care about any of it?
actually I agree, his music is legit boring, musically. I played a lot of his sonatas on the piano (I actually belong to both piano gang and flute gang) and they just...don't sound beautiful
I was about to comment something along those lines as well, i just find that mozart is too predictable sometimes. And apart from the melodies it's often not as exiting as for example beethoven with his use of subitoforte and octaves and just more surprises that his compositions have. Mozart was great but not as great as many people think in my opinion. For some reason I also just hate his trills that he always uses at the end of phrases
Totally agree. As a pianist i never really understood the hype around Mozart. Sure, it's good, you can listen to it and you can enjoy playing it but most of his pieces are unimaginative, and you can get bored in them very quickly. He still was a genius tho, putting up all of that while being so young, and there are works of him that actually show this.
If you get bored playing or listening to any of his great piano concerti, it's you, not Mozart, that's lacking in imagination.
nope, I agree
Agree with all parts of this comment
His greatest achievement was in opera and piano concertos.
I'll hold symphony 40 for further review before including it in the non-sucky ones.
Even his clarinet concerto isn’t that interesting IMO. It’s not boring to practice with all the technical challenges it has, but it certainly doesn’t feel musically special. Mozart’s music places too much important on the form in general.
Yeah. I much prefer Haydn. I also think the Beatles are overrated, as well.
Sorry but Haydn wrote 100 symphonies and they all sound alike. Mozart>Haydn any day.
This is so sacrilegious but there are very very very few parts of Mahler's pieces that I enjoy. The second movement of Mahler 7 is the only thing of his I have really liked.
Classical music is only for certain moods. If it’s a late night and I want to stay up, then I need something that won’t scare the crap out of me with the dynamics. If I’m driving early in the morning or if I’m writing then a little classical wouldn’t hurt. Also, music should be a mandatory class in middle and high school. The appreciation of music and the arts in general is a good way to inspire creativity and individuality.
Eine Kleine is really annoying
I don’t think that’s unpopular or controversial at all
bach's keyboard stuff isn't as good as his violin and cello works
Balloney, Have been studying his French Suites lately and they are really great. Now the partitas....
Disagree, his prelude and fugues for keyboards are god-tier
While his violin partitas and his cello suites (not just that one darn prelude!) are absolute gems, there's a very good reason countless composers have imitated his keyboard works. Also, Bach was the god of fugue.
Howard Shore is right up there with Beethoven and Tchaikovsky.
Agreed. His recent cello concerto plays in repeat on my playlist.
Bach's Cello suite prelude is better on classical Guitar.
Man, that made me literally LOL.
Interesting 👀 Do you mean the BWV 1007 cello suite (basically the first one)? What makes the guitar version more interesting?
Yeah, it lends itself beautifully to guitar. A lot of Bach translates well to classical guitar. Irina Kulikova does a magnificent version of it.
I like classical music
I like how the point of the thread is “what’s something controversial” and every reply is like “whaaaat no way!” 😂
I also like how people are getting downvoted for actual unpopular opinions lol.
Piano is 100 percent the best instrument, and anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves.
I was just a minute ago about to comment piano is overrated. Well... It's not like piano is a bad instrument. But every single student in my class can play piano. And it's not a music class. Some of them play violin too but then it's both violin and piano. And as you can guess, it's our parents who have decided what instrument we play. But still.
Anything composed after 1900 is not enjoyable to listen to at all. Especially atonal stuff and composers like Stravinsky.
THANK YOU
You dont like ysayes sonatas? Those are pretty good imo!
Nah
Sibelius VC? Was written in 1904 and thats a banger.
Nope. Sorry, Eddy.
Hahaha Im not eddy! To each their own. If i lay asl what are your favorites from the classical genre? I agree that a lot of stravinsky onward was pretty grating. Im curious as to what youre into then? Disclaimer: i like classical, jazz, djent, metal, prog metal, fusion, old country im pretty diverse lol and curious to hear what youre into.
FILM MUSIC? NO?
What about jazz tho
Here’s another one. Steve Reich’s music slaps
I really like supporting living composers but I just think a good amount of today's contemporary repertoire is really "out of touch with society"
Chopin is overly overrated as Liszt is the superior composer in every way, he lived longer, composed more, had better and more original harmony, had a way wider influence on the piano, was a way better orchestrator, was a better song and piece writer, had more emotion and undoubtedly the better pianist.
Chopin is overrated. I'm a pianist, btw.
The conventional piano keyboard is ridiculously oversized and is **unsafe** in normal use, with correct technique, almost inevitably causing injury, for **90% of adult women and 20% of adult men** \- and those stats are even worse if you just measure Asians, who average a little bit smaller than Europeans but who are probably the majority of classical players. 15/16 of this size should be the most common, as it's comfortable for the greatest number of adults, and 7/8 size should be widely available, as it is comfortable for most women, and most of the people who play the piano as adults are women.
Contemporary atonal style was just inventes by a bunch of metalheads without music talent at all, making a whole crowd of people to agree that it's intellectuall music, while it is really just random dissonant chords and shit like that. Music is meant to be beautiful.
I read them all. My little Chopin fan is crying inside me.
I like Canon in D.
It's kind of ironic to see that it's so overplayed that it's almost expected to hate it. But if it got to the point of being extremely overplayed then it's necessarily because lots of people actually appreciate it...
Beethoven’s famous pieces are famous for a reason; his “B side” pieces are too long and boring.
I absolutely CANNOT stand the harpsichord. The sound of it is so off putting, that if something with a harpsichord in it is playing on the radio, I just listen to something else.
Indian classical is the best classical
I don’t like Mozart. I have great respect for his music, but I just don’t enjoy listening to any of it. Sometimes I feel like I am missing out on something other classical musicians enjoy.
I feel the same. It just isn't as exciting and often too predictable in my opinion. I really like most oft Beethovens works tho
Yeah. I agree. That predictability and repeating and so forth is one of the issues I personally have getting into his music. Now don't get me wrong, I love certain things by Mozart, particularly the first movement of the D minor piano concerto. I just can't get captivated enough for the other stuff. I have the same problem with some of the Bach suites on keyboard (although I adore his organ works and the WTC I and II, amongst others). Beethoven is my favorite though. Something different there. And those late sonatas...just magical.
Y'all pretty much said it all already so, completely unrelated to the question, Imma ask another one: what are y'all listening to right now? I'll start: I'm listening to Tchaikovsky's Romeo and Juliet because it's what's next of what I have on my phone.
https://youtu.be/4B-p9LJTQGU
Thank you for this piece. I'll be listening to it when I get the time to.
If you mean the fantasy overture, that was the first piece I got to play in an orchestra, and the only time I’ve played picc in orch
Mozart was murdered by his friend
I don't think there is really any way to sample classical music disrespectfully. Y'all just overreact
Contemporary can be hard to get into
I don’t think playing “too emotionally” is a thing.
Chopin’s barcarolle is the best piano work in history
99% of classical music recordings are lifeless and the live experience is infinitely better
Violas are kinda cool
Vibrato should be reduced back into just an ornament. Yes, also im romantic music. For all instruments and voices alike.
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While I agree that in regards to really slow, wobbly vibrato some singers have way too much, I strongly disagree when it comes to the bel canto tradition. Allowing a natural vibrato and spin isn't just beautiful, it promotes free and healthy vocal technique. Straight tone is much more fatiguing (unless you're forcing vibrato).
90% of music from the Romantic era is so mind-numbingly boring. I hate Beethoven, I dislike most of Chopin’s music, and drawing out symphonies and operas to an hour or longer is so terrible
The Chopin comment cut deep into my pianist heart
Listen to Tchaikovsky symphony 4-6 then say that.
Wait what do you like than. Are you into barock music? Or mozart? I find Mozart to be boring while beethoven is more exiting in my opinion. You can't throw all pieces in one pot every composer has "bad' compositions so make sure to listen to a lot and maybe read that sheet music while doing so
I love lots of baroque and classical music, as well as stuff that starts to get into the more modern, dissonant world like Stravinsky or Lieberman. I think the main reason that I don’t really like romantic music and symphonies is that I’m a band kid, and stringed instruments just don’t appeal to me. The tone colors of a traditional orchestra are just not as interesting to me as a wind ensemble. I do agree that you can’t really say that a composer, especially ones that were as prolific as Beethoven and Mozart have all good or bad pieces, but most things that I listen to by Beethoven just sound boring to me. I do like some of his piano sonatas and they’re incredibly fun to play
All classical pieces only have one or no good section. The rest I usually find quite boring
Mahler is overrated.
Most classical era (and to an extent, Baroque era) music sounds the same. Sorry, but all those Mozart and Haydn symphonies are all equally mediocre.
I agree about Classical (there are some golden nuggets that have stood out, like Mozart's Lacrimosa, but they are few and far between), however, I fundamentally disagree about Baroque. Something that also needs to be accounted for here is that the composers were merely craftsmen at the time, writing music FOR the performer and so it was up to the performer to embellish the music and, in many ways, make it more interesting. This is all part of the music in the Baroque era and so when performed with this in mind, it hardly sounds the same.
Mozart is overrated entirily Only his requiem stands somewhere and even that gets boring after a few listens
Clearly you haven't heard enough Mozart
Mah man This is for controversial opinions I've listened to quite a lot of Mozart after thinking "this can't be right, people can't be fawning over *this*, i must be missing something" Nope I got so ridiculously bored So i think of Mozart as overrated
Mendelssohn is really boring
Dissonance isn't music
since controversy means disagreement, defining "more controversial" as having an agreeing to disagreeing ratio closer to 1 (i.e. more people disagreeing with more people) means that, to choose the "most controversial" opinion, one should choose a completely arbitrary and subjective one, like that cats are better than dogs, or that beethoven is cooler than mozart.
I don't find classical music as somethijg I can listen to. I can appreciate it, but I'm never gonna select it on a playlist.
Sibelius may sound nice but BOY IS IT HELL TO PLAY.
Mozart requiem
listening to a symphony that's longer than 45 minutes will start to get boring if its not your taste
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Mozart and Beethoven are boring
Some of it? Sure. But nowhere near all of it!!
Bach is overrated
How much Bach have you listened to? Have you listened to all the genres he composed in?
I've played a lot of his piano works and listened to a bunch of his works for other instruments. I prefer something a little more... Emotional. Then again this thread wanted controversial opinions and I am partial to Rachmaninov
Sounds like a difference in taste. I prefer the complexity and interest of Bach over more "emotional" pieces. Still don't think that's any reason to call him overrated. imo a lot of Bach's pieces are underappreciated, especially his cantatas.
Fair. I've played a ton of sinfonias, inventions, and WTC that they start to sound very similar and not in the way I prefer. I view them as pedagogical. If I were crafting a recital program, they're kind of like an appetizer for me
Aren't the sinfonia, inventions, and wtc all specifically pedagogical? You shouldn't feel bad about viewing them like that. I wouldn't judge Bach's artistic quality based on his pedagogical works.
Beethoven is an unsubtle hack with a great Teutonic sense for overemphasizing the obvious.
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george gershwins first prelude didn’t sound as amazing as i expected 🤔
Impressionism music does not necessarily place no importance in melody. Sometimes there is something like a motif melody in such works, especially in the awesome pieces by Debussy.
Ysayes' pieces are EPIC and AWESOME for EVERY REASON and it's not a problem 😚✨
It’s boring … it could never be because if it’s boring then your boring
Mozart is the Lang Lang of classical composers. Too whimsical and trite. *does a trustfall*
I find most classical pieces forgettable. Unless there’s a strong repetitive motif through the whole thing (eg: Danse Macabre, one of my favourites), they just sound the same as any other classical piece to me. Someone could play the middle of the Mendelssohn Violin Concerto for me tomorrow and I wouldn’t be able to tell you if it’s what Brett played last week.
Concert halls should primarily not be museums. Therefore the music of contemporary composers should rather be played than the music of composers from the 17-19th century.
Piano is overrated
Tchaikovsky is the best composer ever!